Where is LEIM for cygwin's emacs 21.2?

2009-08-05 Thread Harald Joerg
Very rarely I need to type one or two japanese characters in my
emacs, and I recall that I did it with LEIM and set-input-method quite
easily.   However, in my current installation, emacs says that LEIM
isn't installed.

The cygwin installer says:
   LEIM is part of emacs package now.

The directory where LEIM used to be, /usr/share/21.2/leim/, exists but
is empty, both on my machine and on
http://cygwin.com/cgi-bin2/package-cat.cgi?file=emacs%2Femacs-21.2-12.

There's no LEIM at all in
http://cygwin.com/cgi-bin2/package-cat.cgi?file=emacs-el%2Femacs-el-21.2-12
but the title says (including LEIM).

As a workaround, I fetched emacs-leim from the web, extracted the
tar.bz2 and symlinked the contents to /usr/share/21.2/leim.  Now
set-input-method works as expected.  But I doubt that this is how it
ought to be.

 * Is there something wrong with my installation (old installation,
   carried over from another machine)?

 * Did I miss to install / re-install an emacs package?

 * Is it a packaging error with cygwin's emacs-el 21.2 package?

 * Would a switch to emacs and emacs-el 23.0.92 be the recommended
   solution (emacs-el 23.0.92 apparently contains LEIM)?
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Cheers,
haj


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Re: Where is LEIM for cygwin's emacs 21.2?

2009-08-05 Thread Ken Brown

On 8/5/2009 4:16 AM, Harald Joerg wrote:

Very rarely I need to type one or two japanese characters in my
emacs, and I recall that I did it with LEIM and set-input-method quite
easily.   However, in my current installation, emacs says that LEIM
isn't installed.

The cygwin installer says:
   LEIM is part of emacs package now.

The directory where LEIM used to be, /usr/share/21.2/leim/, exists but
is empty, both on my machine and on
http://cygwin.com/cgi-bin2/package-cat.cgi?file=emacs%2Femacs-21.2-12.

There's no LEIM at all in
http://cygwin.com/cgi-bin2/package-cat.cgi?file=emacs-el%2Femacs-el-21.2-12
but the title says (including LEIM).

As a workaround, I fetched emacs-leim from the web, extracted the
tar.bz2 and symlinked the contents to /usr/share/21.2/leim.  Now
set-input-method works as expected.  But I doubt that this is how it
ought to be.

 * Is there something wrong with my installation (old installation,
   carried over from another machine)?


No.  There was confusion a couple of years ago when it looked like emacs 
was going to be updated to version 22.1 (which did include leim).  At 
that point emacs-leim was declared obsolete.  Unfortunately, the 
emacs-22.1 build turned out to be unstable, but emacs-leim was never 
reinstated.



 * Would a switch to emacs and emacs-el 23.0.92 be the recommended
   solution (emacs-el 23.0.92 apparently contains LEIM)?


Yes.  BTW, emacs-el is irrelevant; it just contains the library source 
files (*.el).  The byte-compiled libraries (*.elc), including leim, are 
in the emacs package.


Ken


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Thanks (was: Re: Where is LEIM for cygwin's emacs 21.2?)

2009-08-05 Thread Harald Joerg
Ken Brown kbr...@cornell.edu writes:

 On 8/5/2009 4:16 AM, Harald Joerg wrote:
 Very rarely I need to type one or two japanese characters in my
 emacs, and I recall that I did it with LEIM and set-input-method quite
 easily.   However, in my current installation, emacs says that LEIM
 isn't installed.
 [...]
 As a workaround, I fetched emacs-leim from the web, extracted the
 tar.bz2 and symlinked the contents to /usr/share/21.2/leim.  Now
 set-input-method works as expected.  But I doubt that this is how it
 ought to be.
 
  * Is there something wrong with my installation (old installation,
carried over from another machine)?

 No.  There was confusion a couple of years ago when it looked like emacs 
 was going to be updated to version 22.1 (which did include leim).  At 
 that point emacs-leim was declared obsolete.  Unfortunately, the 
 emacs-22.1 build turned out to be unstable, but emacs-leim was never 
 reinstated.

  * Would a switch to emacs and emacs-el 23.0.92 be the recommended
solution (emacs-el 23.0.92 apparently contains LEIM)?

 Yes.  BTW, emacs-el is irrelevant; it just contains the library source 
 files (*.el).  The byte-compiled libraries (*.elc), including leim, are 
 in the emacs package.

Excellent!  Many thanks for your clarfications, on both emacs-leim and
cygwin's emacs-el package.

I have just installed emacs 23.0.92 from setup.exe's experimental
branch and Japanese characters work like charm.

As an additional bonus I found that Emacs is able to save Japanese
characters as Unicode which makes interoperation with other programs
much easier.  Excellent!

All I had to do after the upgrade was to *remove* my private
installation of gnus 5.10.6.  It was outdated, didn't work with Emacs23,
and is not necessary since a perfectly working Gnus v5.13 comes bundled
with cygwin's emacs 23.0.92.  Wonderful!
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Cheers,
haj

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