RE: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
Yeah, I was corrected on this privately as well. My point still stands. The US in particular is a sue-happy wasteland, and I see no reason to put out raw steaks for the ravenous lawyers. Particularly since my (c) appears on a few of the Setup files, and I don't really wish to be named as a codefendant because of something so unnecessary and so easily corrected. -- Gary R. Van Sickle > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Arturus Magi > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 2:32 AM > To: Cygwin > Subject: Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for > Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.) > > Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: > >>Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: > >>It's simple > >>common sense. > > > > In a world where McDonalds loses a bajillion-dollar lawsuit because > > its coffee is hot, common sense is a thing of the past my > naive friend. > > > > Actually, McDonald's lost that suit not because the idiot > spilled it on her lap, but because the judge decided to do > the Department of Health's job for them. > > At the time, the styrofoam cups McDonald's used was not > actually supposed to hold coffee at the temperature that > McDonald's serves it at. > In theory, the cups would melt semi-regularly if the > customers didn't drink their coffee first, although I don't > recall that ever actually happening. > > The inspectors for the Dept. of Health apparently never > warned McDonalds that they were (more or less willingly) > endangering their customers, so the Judge decided to do it for them. > > -- > Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html > Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html > FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ > -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: It's simple common sense. In a world where McDonalds loses a bajillion-dollar lawsuit because its coffee is hot, common sense is a thing of the past my naive friend. Actually, McDonald's lost that suit not because the idiot spilled it on her lap, but because the judge decided to do the Department of Health's job for them. At the time, the styrofoam cups McDonald's used was not actually supposed to hold coffee at the temperature that McDonald's serves it at. In theory, the cups would melt semi-regularly if the customers didn't drink their coffee first, although I don't recall that ever actually happening. The inspectors for the Dept. of Health apparently never warned McDonalds that they were (more or less willingly) endangering their customers, so the Judge decided to do it for them. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005, Jon A. Lambert might have said: > > > Mike wrote: > > > > > >Since you must *ask* for the 'rude' version of fortune > (fortune -o) > > >before you get any of the alleged offensive material, then > what's the > > >problem? > > > > @ fortune > > sdesc: "Print a random, hopefully interesting, adage" > > category: Games > > requires: cygwin > > > > The problem is that it doesn't inform the user that the package > > contains said material. > > > > Had it said > > sdesc: "Print a random, hopefully interesting, adage about > cunts and > > niggers" > > > > I would have been better informed about the nature of the package. > > How eloquent. How ironic. -- Gary R. Van Sickle -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
> Yes but it *can* work just after you install it but before > you ever run > it! This part seems like a disclaimer if I've ever saw one: > > -oChoose only from potentially offensive aphorisms. Please, > please, >please request a potentially offensive fortune if > and only if you >believe, deep down in your heart, that you are > willing to be >offended. (And that if you are, you'll just quit > using -o rather >than give us grief about it, okay?) > > And you don't have to install it - you can research it! See > http://www.rt.com/man/fortune.6.html Uh-huh. And the problem reported is (at least in part) that even if you don't use -o when calling fortune, you may end up seeing 'potentially offensive aphorisms'. It's a bug. -Samrobb -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
Jon A. Lambert wrote: Mike wrote: I would have been better informed about the nature of the package. How eloquent. Try 'man fortune'. man fortune doesn't work until after you've already downloaded and installed the offensive material on your machine. Yes but it *can* work just after you install it but before you ever run it! This part seems like a disclaimer if I've ever saw one: -oChoose only from potentially offensive aphorisms. Please, please, please request a potentially offensive fortune if and only if you believe, deep down in your heart, that you are willing to be offended. (And that if you are, you'll just quit using -o rather than give us grief about it, okay?) And you don't have to install it - you can research it! See http://www.rt.com/man/fortune.6.html -- Is it possible to brush your teeth without wiggling your ass? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
Mike wrote: I would have been better informed about the nature of the package. How eloquent. Try 'man fortune'. man fortune doesn't work until after you've already downloaded and installed the offensive material on your machine. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005, Jon A. Lambert might have said: > Mike wrote: > > > >Since you must *ask* for the 'rude' version of fortune (fortune -o) > >before you get any of the alleged offensive material, then what's the > >problem? > > @ fortune > sdesc: "Print a random, hopefully interesting, adage" > category: Games > requires: cygwin > > The problem is that it doesn't inform the user that the package contains > said material. > > Had it said > sdesc: "Print a random, hopefully interesting, adage about cunts and > niggers" > > I would have been better informed about the nature of the package. How eloquent. Try 'man fortune'. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
Mike wrote: Since you must *ask* for the 'rude' version of fortune (fortune -o) before you get any of the alleged offensive material, then what's the problem? @ fortune sdesc: "Print a random, hopefully interesting, adage" category: Games requires: cygwin The problem is that it doesn't inform the user that the package contains said material. Had it said sdesc: "Print a random, hopefully interesting, adage about cunts and niggers" I would have been better informed about the nature of the package. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005, Peter A. Castro might have said: > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > > > On Jan 7 01:28, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: > > > Right now I'm looking at the debian packages instead: > > > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortune-mod > > > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortunes-bofh-excuses > > > > > > which generate 5 packages: fortune-mod (the binaries), > > > fortunes-min, fortunes, fortunes-off, and fortunes-bofh-excuses. > > > > > > If these look ok to me, do you see any problem with using them instead? > > > (There are also a lot of non-English data files packages that I'm not > > > going to mess with at the moment.) > > > > Personally I'd rather see only one fortune package. Using the -o > > plus rot13 technique should really do it. > > I'm with Corinna here. Fortune does not warrant 5 packages, or even 3. > One package is sufficient. ROT13 and mark the limericks with -o and move > on. Deviating from an already established convention for packaging a > given program is just asking for trouble, and you're artificially making > more work than is necessary. K.I.S.S. !! Since you must *ask* for the 'rude' version of fortune (fortune -o) before you get any of the alleged offensive material, then what's the problem? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On Jan 7 01:28, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: > > Right now I'm looking at the debian packages instead: > > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortune-mod > > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortunes-bofh-excuses > > > > which generate 5 packages: fortune-mod (the binaries), > > fortunes-min, fortunes, fortunes-off, and fortunes-bofh-excuses. > > > > If these look ok to me, do you see any problem with using them instead? > > (There are also a lot of non-English data files packages that I'm not > > going to mess with at the moment.) > > Personally I'd rather see only one fortune package. Using the -o > plus rot13 technique should really do it. I'm with Corinna here. Fortune does not warrant 5 packages, or even 3. One package is sufficient. ROT13 and mark the limericks with -o and move on. Deviating from an already established convention for packaging a given program is just asking for trouble, and you're artificially making more work than is necessary. K.I.S.S. !! > Corinna -- Peter A. Castro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> or <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Cats are just autistic Dogs" -- Dr. Tony Attwood -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:40:35PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >On Jan 7 01:28, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: >> Right now I'm looking at the debian packages instead: >> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortune-mod >> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortunes-bofh-excuses >> >> which generate 5 packages: fortune-mod (the binaries), >> fortunes-min, fortunes, fortunes-off, and fortunes-bofh-excuses. >> >> If these look ok to me, do you see any problem with using them instead? >> (There are also a lot of non-English data files packages that I'm not >> going to mess with at the moment.) > >Personally I'd rather see only one fortune package. Using the -o >plus rot13 technique should really do it. FWIW, if you are planning on maintaining the package I would just defer to your judgement on whatever you think is best. Just, whatever you do, remember the children. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
Andrew DeFaria wrote: Yeah, it does. For the first time in history, there are now two lawyers for every human on the planet. Lawyers subsist almost entirely on a diet of lawsuits. Funny, I thought they ate food like the rest of us... Actually, when you think about it, it's impossible for that statement to be true! If you have 6 billion people on the Earth and they state you have 2 lawyers for every human, you'd need 12 billion lawyers, which would increase the population of the Earth to 18 billion, necessitating 36 billion additional lawyers, and so on ;-) You're assuming lawyers are human. ;-) -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
On Jan 7 01:28, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: > Right now I'm looking at the debian packages instead: > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortune-mod > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortunes-bofh-excuses > > which generate 5 packages: fortune-mod (the binaries), > fortunes-min, fortunes, fortunes-off, and fortunes-bofh-excuses. > > If these look ok to me, do you see any problem with using them instead? > (There are also a lot of non-English data files packages that I'm not > going to mess with at the moment.) Personally I'd rather see only one fortune package. Using the -o plus rot13 technique should really do it. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader mailto:cygwin@cygwin.com Red Hat, Inc. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:43:55PM -0800, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:47:35PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:40:16PM -0800, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: > > >On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:26:08PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > > >>On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:36:53PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>>Not sure if the highly obscene limericks (/usr/share/fortune/limerick) > > >>>are meant to be in the cygwin distro... > > >> > > >>Wow. I think I vaguely recall that something like this was in fortune > > >>but, if I thought it was a good idea a couple of years ago, I have > > >>obviously grown more prudish since then. > > >> > > >>AFAICT, our fortune maintainer is long gone so I guess we're looking > > >>for a volunteer who would like to take up this package. I don't know > > >>about Corinna but I don't like having this type of thing in the > > >>distribution. > > >> > > >>Corinna, you originally released this. Where did you find it? Did you > > >>just package it up directly from a BSD distribution? > > > > > >Reading /usr/doc/fortune-1.8/Notes and /usr/doc/fortune-1.8/README > > >would imply that limericks should be limericks-o (and rot13'd). Then > > >it will only be actually accessed if you use fortune -a or fortune -o. > > > > > >I'd be willing to maintain it, but haven't maintained a package before > > >or even read the information about how to, so it would take me a little > > >bit to release a new version. > > > > > >I too would be interested in knowing where the package came from. It > > >doesn't seem to say anywhere (except that the Notes and README have > > >NetBSD rcs tags). > > > > FWIW, it's in the FreeBSD CVS repository: > > > > cvs -d :ext:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/ncvs co src/games/fortune > > > > may check this out. I don't know for sure since I haven't updated this > > directory in a while. > > > > Maintaining this should not be hard. I suspect it may build OOTB. Thanks > > for considering it. > > Ok, I will maintain it and will get a release out in the next couple > days (one week at the outside). For the record, I will be changing > limerick (and gerrold.limerick, which is in the freebsd sources) to -o > files but continuing to install them. They will be installed rot13'd, > and fortunes won't come from them unless you specify you want > offensive fortunes on the command line. > > Feel free to let someone else do it if you'd prefer some other disposition > of the offensive stuff or want it dealt with sooner. Right now I'm looking at the debian packages instead: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortune-mod http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortunes-bofh-excuses which generate 5 packages: fortune-mod (the binaries), fortunes-min, fortunes, fortunes-off, and fortunes-bofh-excuses. If these look ok to me, do you see any problem with using them instead? (There are also a lot of non-English data files packages that I'm not going to mess with at the moment.) -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: Then you have no sense of self-worth. Sorry to hear that. 1. ? 2. Kiss my fortune-o, DeFaria. Now I'm sure you have little self-worth... This has nothing to do with what year it is. Yeah, it does. For the first time in history, there are now two lawyers for every human on the planet. Lawyers subsist almost entirely on a diet of lawsuits. Funny, I thought they ate food like the rest of us... Actually, when you think about it, it's impossible for that statement to be true! If you have 6 billion people on the Earth and they state you have 2 lawyers for every human, you'd need 12 billion lawyers, which would increase the population of the Earth to 18 billion, necessitating 36 billion additional lawyers, and so on ;-) Lawsuits themselves have now evolved to the point where they can sometimes even grow in places which defy common sense. Like is often said - you're right! You can indeed sue for anything. But that doesn't mean that you'll win. It's simple common sense. In a world where McDonalds loses a bajillion-dollar lawsuit because its coffee is hot, common sense is a thing of the past my naive friend. So then we should stop striving for common sense? I've always believed that the world is largely what you make of it. I do not make it into the paranoid, PC vision that you propose. I'm sorry if that seems to bother you. Granted some employers don't have that but some do. I choose to work for the latter. Pray you know your employer as well as you believe you do. It has nothing to do with it. I do not derive my worth from my employer rather I derive my worth from myself. You should try it someday - you might like it. If my employer is that paranoid, PC, stupid, lacking of common sense then I'll just go work for one that isn't. It's that simple! Done it before, many times. Will do it again I suspect. When I find an employer that's sensible I stay for a while. Oh, right, you're an atheist. Yes I am. -- Sometimes too much drink is not enough. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
> Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: > > >> Any company firing me for "creating a hostile work > environment" for > >> such a matter as this is, in my book, not a company I wish to work > >> for. YMMV. > > > > Nor I. In fact, I doubt many would disagree. But then, many have > > mouths to feed, and may not have the luxury of wishing. > > Then you have no sense of self-worth. Sorry to hear that. > 1. ? 2. Kiss my fortune-o, DeFaria. > >> What the hell is some other employee doing snooping around your > >> computer to view these files?!? To me *that's* a hostile work > >> environment created by the snooping employee! > > > > Welcome to the 21st century Andrew. > > This has nothing to do with what year it is. Yeah, it does. For the first time in history, there are now two lawyers for every human on the planet. Lawyers subsist almost entirely on a diet of lawsuits. Lawsuits themselves have now evolved to the point where they can sometimes even grow in places which defy common sense. > It's simple > common sense. In a world where McDonalds loses a bajillion-dollar lawsuit because its coffee is hot, common sense is a thing of the past my naive friend. > Granted some employers don't have that but some do. I choose > to work for the latter. Pray you know your employer as well as you believe you do. Oh, right, you're an atheist. -- Gary R. Van Sickle -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: Any company firing me for "creating a hostile work environment" for such a matter as this is, in my book, not a company I wish to work for. YMMV. Nor I. In fact, I doubt many would disagree. But then, many have mouths to feed, and may not have the luxury of wishing. Then you have no sense of self-worth. Sorry to hear that. What the hell is some other employee doing snooping around your computer to view these files?!? To me *that's* a hostile work environment created by the snooping employee! Welcome to the 21st century Andrew. This has nothing to do with what year it is. It's simple common sense. Granted some employers don't have that but some do. I choose to work for the latter. -- Will the information superhighway have any rest stops? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
> Charles Wilson wrote: > > > Yes and no, Corinna. Merely having them on the harddrive > in a company > > computer could be construed as "creating a hostile work environment" > > -- leading to liability issues for the company and > employment "issues" > > for the unsuspecting cygwin user. > > Any company firing me for "creating a hostile work > environment" for such a matter as this is, in my book, not a > company I wish to work for. YMMV. > Nor I. In fact, I doubt many would disagree. But then, many have mouths to feed, and may not have the luxury of wishing. > > I'm definitely going to have to uninstall the fortune > package at work > > -- probably even if the xxx content is "encrypted". My employer is > > lenient enough when it comes to "rogue" cygwin > installations (e.g. not > > installed by the IT guys) but they'll get downright annoyed if > > employees create a liability problem for them by installing > something > > that might offend another employee (e.g "create a hostile work > > environment") > > What the hell is some other employee doing snooping around > your computer to view these files?!? To me *that's* a hostile > work environment created by the snooping employee! Welcome to the 21st century Andrew. -- Gary R. Van Sickle -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
Charles Wilson wrote: Yes and no, Corinna. Merely having them on the harddrive in a company computer could be construed as "creating a hostile work environment" -- leading to liability issues for the company and employment "issues" for the unsuspecting cygwin user. Any company firing me for "creating a hostile work environment" for such a matter as this is, in my book, not a company I wish to work for. YMMV. I'm definitely going to have to uninstall the fortune package at work -- probably even if the xxx content is "encrypted". My employer is lenient enough when it comes to "rogue" cygwin installations (e.g. not installed by the IT guys) but they'll get downright annoyed if employees create a liability problem for them by installing something that might offend another employee (e.g "create a hostile work environment") What the hell is some other employee doing snooping around your computer to view these files?!? To me *that's* a hostile work environment created by the snooping employee! -- Earth First! We'll stripmine the other planets later. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
Corinna Vinschen wrote: That's cool. Thanks for doing this. The way you do it is probably the best alternative. I would find it very annoying if the offensive jokes would just go away. It doesn't matter if one loves or hates these jokes, or if somebody feels offended. It's a matter of free choice. Nobody has to read them, after all. Yes and no, Corinna. Merely having them on the harddrive in a company computer could be construed as "creating a hostile work environment" -- leading to liability issues for the company and employment "issues" for the unsuspecting cygwin user. I think the ROT13/-o is an OK compromise -- but IANAL, and some lawyer somewhere could probably make a case over this. Or claim to be able to do so, leading to those employment "issues" I mentioned. ROT13/-o plus separating the xxx files into a separate package would be even better; then, it's on yer own head if you install fortune-xxx. I'm definitely going to have to uninstall the fortune package at work -- probably even if the xxx content is "encrypted". My employer is lenient enough when it comes to "rogue" cygwin installations (e.g. not installed by the IT guys) but they'll get downright annoyed if employees create a liability problem for them by installing something that might offend another employee (e.g "create a hostile work environment") Not a big deal; I can live without fortune at work. But even tho *I* don't care, my employer does -- and the computer belongs to them. -- Chuck -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:24:17AM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >On Jan 5 23:43, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: >> Ok, I will maintain it and will get a release out in the next couple >> days (one week at the outside). For the record, I will be changing >> limerick (and gerrold.limerick, which is in the freebsd sources) to -o >> files but continuing to install them. They will be installed rot13'd, >> and fortunes won't come from them unless you specify you want >> offensive fortunes on the command line. > >That's cool. Thanks for doing this. The way you do it is probably >the best alternative. I would find it very annoying if the offensive >jokes would just go away. It doesn't matter if one loves or hates >these jokes, or if somebody feels offended. It's a matter of free >choice. Nobody has to read them, after all. Ok. I think the consensus is that they should stay and rot13 is a suitable alternative. Thanks again, Yitzchak for doing this. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
On Jan 5 23:43, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: > Ok, I will maintain it and will get a release out in the next couple > days (one week at the outside). For the record, I will be changing > limerick (and gerrold.limerick, which is in the freebsd sources) to -o > files but continuing to install them. They will be installed rot13'd, > and fortunes won't come from them unless you specify you want > offensive fortunes on the command line. That's cool. Thanks for doing this. The way you do it is probably the best alternative. I would find it very annoying if the offensive jokes would just go away. It doesn't matter if one loves or hates these jokes, or if somebody feels offended. It's a matter of free choice. Nobody has to read them, after all. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader mailto:cygwin@cygwin.com Red Hat, Inc. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
On Jan 5 23:26, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:36:53PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Not sure if the highly obscene limericks (/usr/share/fortune/limerick) > >are meant to be in the cygwin distro... > > Wow. I think I vaguely recall that something like this was in fortune > but, if I thought it was a good idea a couple of years ago, I have > obviously grown more prudish since then. > > AFAICT, our fortune maintainer is long gone so I guess we're looking for > a volunteer who would like to take up this package. I don't know about > Corinna but I don't like having this type of thing in the distribution. I have no problems at all with having this in the distro. > Corinna, you originally released this. Where did you find it? Did you > just package it up directly from a BSD distribution? I don't remember but probably from FreeBSD. That's the first point where I'm looking for stuff, usually. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader mailto:cygwin@cygwin.com Red Hat, Inc. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:47:35PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:40:16PM -0800, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:26:08PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > >>On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:36:53PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>>Not sure if the highly obscene limericks (/usr/share/fortune/limerick) > >>>are meant to be in the cygwin distro... > >> > >>Wow. I think I vaguely recall that something like this was in fortune > >>but, if I thought it was a good idea a couple of years ago, I have > >>obviously grown more prudish since then. > >> > >>AFAICT, our fortune maintainer is long gone so I guess we're looking > >>for a volunteer who would like to take up this package. I don't know > >>about Corinna but I don't like having this type of thing in the > >>distribution. > >> > >>Corinna, you originally released this. Where did you find it? Did you > >>just package it up directly from a BSD distribution? > > > >Reading /usr/doc/fortune-1.8/Notes and /usr/doc/fortune-1.8/README > >would imply that limericks should be limericks-o (and rot13'd). Then > >it will only be actually accessed if you use fortune -a or fortune -o. > > > >I'd be willing to maintain it, but haven't maintained a package before > >or even read the information about how to, so it would take me a little > >bit to release a new version. > > > >I too would be interested in knowing where the package came from. It > >doesn't seem to say anywhere (except that the Notes and README have > >NetBSD rcs tags). > > FWIW, it's in the FreeBSD CVS repository: > > cvs -d :ext:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/ncvs co src/games/fortune > > may check this out. I don't know for sure since I haven't updated this > directory in a while. > > Maintaining this should not be hard. I suspect it may build OOTB. Thanks > for considering it. Ok, I will maintain it and will get a release out in the next couple days (one week at the outside). For the record, I will be changing limerick (and gerrold.limerick, which is in the freebsd sources) to -o files but continuing to install them. They will be installed rot13'd, and fortunes won't come from them unless you specify you want offensive fortunes on the command line. Feel free to let someone else do it if you'd prefer some other disposition of the offensive stuff or want it dealt with sooner. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:40:16PM -0800, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: >On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:26:08PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: >>On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:36:53PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>Not sure if the highly obscene limericks (/usr/share/fortune/limerick) >>>are meant to be in the cygwin distro... >> >>Wow. I think I vaguely recall that something like this was in fortune >>but, if I thought it was a good idea a couple of years ago, I have >>obviously grown more prudish since then. >> >>AFAICT, our fortune maintainer is long gone so I guess we're looking >>for a volunteer who would like to take up this package. I don't know >>about Corinna but I don't like having this type of thing in the >>distribution. >> >>Corinna, you originally released this. Where did you find it? Did you >>just package it up directly from a BSD distribution? > >Reading /usr/doc/fortune-1.8/Notes and /usr/doc/fortune-1.8/README >would imply that limericks should be limericks-o (and rot13'd). Then >it will only be actually accessed if you use fortune -a or fortune -o. > >I'd be willing to maintain it, but haven't maintained a package before >or even read the information about how to, so it would take me a little >bit to release a new version. > >I too would be interested in knowing where the package came from. It >doesn't seem to say anywhere (except that the Notes and README have >NetBSD rcs tags). FWIW, it's in the FreeBSD CVS repository: cvs -d :ext:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/ncvs co src/games/fortune may check this out. I don't know for sure since I haven't updated this directory in a while. Maintaining this should not be hard. I suspect it may build OOTB. Thanks for considering it. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:26:08PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:36:53PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Not sure if the highly obscene limericks (/usr/share/fortune/limerick) > >are meant to be in the cygwin distro... > > Wow. I think I vaguely recall that something like this was in fortune > but, if I thought it was a good idea a couple of years ago, I have > obviously grown more prudish since then. > > AFAICT, our fortune maintainer is long gone so I guess we're looking for > a volunteer who would like to take up this package. I don't know about > Corinna but I don't like having this type of thing in the distribution. > > Corinna, you originally released this. Where did you find it? Did you > just package it up directly from a BSD distribution? Reading /usr/doc/fortune-1.8/Notes and /usr/doc/fortune-1.8/README would imply that limericks should be limericks-o (and rot13'd). Then it will only be actually accessed if you use fortune -a or fortune -o. I'd be willing to maintain it, but haven't maintained a package before or even read the information about how to, so it would take me a little bit to release a new version. I too would be interested in knowing where the package came from. It doesn't seem to say anywhere (except that the Notes and README have NetBSD rcs tags). -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:36:53PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Not sure if the highly obscene limericks (/usr/share/fortune/limerick) >are meant to be in the cygwin distro... Wow. I think I vaguely recall that something like this was in fortune but, if I thought it was a good idea a couple of years ago, I have obviously grown more prudish since then. AFAICT, our fortune maintainer is long gone so I guess we're looking for a volunteer who would like to take up this package. I don't know about Corinna but I don't like having this type of thing in the distribution. Corinna, you originally released this. Where did you find it? Did you just package it up directly from a BSD distribution? cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
