RE: newbie - export X(-Applications) from Linux Server

2002-08-01 Thread Mario Ohnewald

Hello!
> Mario,
>
>  From what I know, doing this doesn't always work:
>  > install@MUNICH ~
>  > $ cd /usr/X11R6/bin
>  >
>  > install@MUNICH /usr/X11R6/bin
>  > $ ./XWin.exe &
>  > [1] 108
>  >
>  > install@MUNICH /usr/X11R6/bin
>  > $ ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
>  > Last login: Sat Jan  5 06:42:18 2002
>  > Have a lot of fun...
>  > dex@linuxserver:~> xclock
>
> What you need to do instead is:
> install@MUNICH ~
> $ cd /usr/X11R6/bin
>
> install@MUNICH /usr/X11R6/bin
> $ ./XWin.exe &
>
> install@MUNICH /usr/X11R6/bin
> $ ./xterm.exe &
>

I did that, and thats what i get:

install@MUNICH /usr/X11R6/bin
$ ./xterm.exe
./xterm Xt error: Can't open display:

;/
here is the logfile:
-
install@MUNICH /tmp
$ cat XWin.log
OsVendorInit - Creating bogus screen 0
winInitializeDefaultScreens - w 1152 h 864
winInitializeDefaultScreens - Returning
_XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root
(EE) Unable to locate/open config file
Error reading config file
winDetectSupportedEngines - Windows NT/2000/XP
winDetectSupportedEngines - DirectDraw installed
winDetectSupportedEngines - Allowing PrimaryDD
winDetectSupportedEngines - DirectDraw4 installed
winDetectSupportedEngines - Returning, supported engines 001f
InitOutput - g_iNumScreens: 1 iMaxConsecutiveScreen: 1
winSetEngine - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking
winAdjustVideoModeShadowDDNL - Using Windows display depth of 16 bits per
pixel
winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed - Initial w: 1152 h: 864
winAdjustForAutoHide - Original WorkArea: 0 0 811 1152
winAdjustForAutoHide - Adjusted WorkArea: 0 0 811 1152
winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed - WindowClient w 1146 h 786 r 1146 l 0 b 786
t 0
winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed -  Returning
winAllocateFBShadowDDNL - lPitch: 2292
winFinishScreenInitFB - Masks: f800 07e0 001f
winInitVisualsShadowDDNL - Masks f800 07e0 001f BPRGB 6 d 16 bpp
16
winCreateDefColormap - Deferring to fbCreateDefColormap ()
winScreenInit - returning
(EE) No primary keyboard configured
(==) Using compiletime defaults for keyboard
Rules = "xfree86" Model = "pc101" Layout = "us" Variant = "(null)" Options =
"(null)"
> Now, from the xterm in Cygwin/XFree86 (you are getting a
> Cygwin/XFree86
> window, right?  If not something else is broken and you need
> to send in
> /tmp/XWin.log) run the ssh command:
> [xterm window]
> install@MUNICH /usr/X11R6/bin
> $ ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Now you can run xclock and it should work.
>
> Harold
>

Cheers!
Mario




RE: QT2 ready for ITP?

2002-08-01 Thread Ralf Habacker

> On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 07:51:08AM -0700, Nicholas Wourms wrote:
> >
> >--- Christopher Faylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 11:14:50AM +0200, Ralf Habacker wrote:
> >> >Any comments ?
> >>
> >> Are there any licensing issues with qt?  Is the open source license
> >> compliant
> >> with cygwin's?
> >>
> >> http://cygwin.com/licensing.html
> >>
> >
> >Ghostscript's license [The aladdin license (APFL?)] is much more
> >restrictive than the QPL.
>
> If we are not in compliance with Ghostscript then that is a problem.  It
> is entirely separate from whether qt is compatible with the GPL +
> Cygwin.  If you were aware of issues with ghostcript you should have
> raised them.
>
> >Besides when you compile QT, you'll get a screen which shows how the
> >QPL is mutually inclusive of the GPL.
>
> So, if I show you a screen which says it's exclusive of the GPL, you'll
> just give up?
>
> Since I don't accept the word of every person with a web site out there
> who thinks they are compliant with the GPL, I don't see why I should accept
> the words of a screen.  Is there an independent corroboration of this
> anywhere?
>

This may not be an independent corroboration for you, but what Nicholas means is
the screen below, which is printed before configuring qt and it said that one
can choose the license beetwen qpl or GPL. It tells its own tale.


~/src/cvs.kde-cygwin.sf.net/qt-2
$ cygwin/configure.cygwin

This is the Qt Free Edition.

You are licensed to use this software under the terms of either
the Q Public License (QPL) or the GNU General Public License (GPL).

Type 'Q' to view the Q Public License.
Type 'G' to view the GNU General Public License.
Type 'yes' to accept this license offer.
Type 'no' to decline this license offer.

Do you accept the terms of the license?

Ralf





Troubles using XFree86-Xaw3d-1.5-1

2002-08-01 Thread Hans Werner Strube

Some months ago I built xfig with an easily self-compiled static libXaw3d.a.
Now after installing XFree86-Xaw3d-1.5-1, I rebuilt xfig. This failed
with a plenty of errors indicating multiple entry-point definitions
(from Xaw3d and Xt) and auto-import errors (with respect to SME). The X
libraries used were -lXpm -lXaw3d -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 .
Tentatively I omitted -lXt, which did not work either, resulting in an
excessive list of other auto-import errors.
Similar errors were reported before under subject
"Problems with libXaw3d [Was: [ITP] FreeCiv-1.12.0-1 for X"



lesstif confuses app-defaults

2002-08-01 Thread Hans Werner Strube

After upgrading XFree86 and installing lesstif (so far, I had used my own
lesstif), I found that the directory tree was confused:
instead of a symlink /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults -> /etc/X11/app-defaults,
there was a directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults containing a symlink
app-defaults and a file Mwm (the latter should rather have been in
/etc/X11/app-defaults). Thus no application (except mwm) could find its
app-defaults file. This is obviously a bug in the lesstif tar file.
(I just found this effect has been reported before in 2002-05/msf00296.html
but is still not fixed.)



Re: Fw: Problem with Windows95 and XFree

2002-08-01 Thread Alexander Gottwald

On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, frederic bregier wrote:

> Well, it seems that you'r right.
> In the w95 box, I got the following :
> OS Version: Windows 9x 4.0 Build 67306684  B
> Querying devices using ioctl
> lo: family=TCP/IP (0) addr=127.0.0.1
> Querying devices using internal function
> lo: family=TCP/IP (0) addr=127.0.0.1

Hm, does not give me much information :(

Can you please send me the windows registry keys 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\Network\MSTCP
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Net

open the registry editor, choose export from the file menu and enter the 
above strings in the field where the subtree is chosen.

I also upload a slightly modified version of the ls_netdev program 
which prints at least some of the rgistry keys while traversing the tree.
Can you please download and run it and send me the output again.

> So it is the case you noticed.
> With the other Windows box, I got the
> real IP address with this command.

Win95 uses some wierd hunt-through-registry to gather all information 
on the installed network interfaces. Microsoft has developed a library 
which simplifies this hunt. I guess it's in the winsock2 update. 
http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/WUAdminTools/S_WUNetworkingTools/W95Sockets2/Default.asp

> 
> Why does cygwin1.dll try to get the IP address
> since I passed the -from option in the command
> line of XWin. It should use this address
> and ignore the cygwin1.dll request in this case, shouldn't it ?

No. The from parameter is only needed to find the correct interface if
more than one interface is found. The system call also gets some extra
information as broadcast address and network mask. 

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Re: Troubles using XFree86-Xaw3d-1.5-1

2002-08-01 Thread Nicholas Wourms


--- Hans Werner Strube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some months ago I built xfig with an easily self-compiled static
> libXaw3d.a.
> Now after installing XFree86-Xaw3d-1.5-1, I rebuilt xfig. This
> failed
> with a plenty of errors indicating multiple entry-point definitions
> (from Xaw3d and Xt) and auto-import errors (with respect to SME).
> The X
> libraries used were -lXpm -lXaw3d -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 .
> Tentatively I omitted -lXt, which did not work either, resulting in
> an
> excessive list of other auto-import errors.
> Similar errors were reported before under subject
> "Problems with libXaw3d [Was: [ITP] FreeCiv-1.12.0-1 for X"

Try putting Xaw3d later in the link line, like:
-lXpm -lXmu -lXt -lXaw3d -lXext -lX11

Admittedly, I'm having some trouble myself now.  Its beginning to
look like there was a reason Xaw was compiled statically.  I'm trying
to track down some of the people who intially worked on this project
to ask why they compiled Xaw statically.  However, it is interesting
to note that there are no problems with compiling Xaw or Xaw3d as
dll's on OS/2.  I have a suspicion that some of the auto-imported
data is being messed up.  As I said to Lapo, I'm working on it.  If
worse comes to worse, I'll just re-release as a static library until
I can figure out how to fix the dll.

Cheers,
Nicholas

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RE: QT2 ready for ITP?

2002-08-01 Thread Ralf Habacker

> Since I don't accept the word of every person with a web site out there
> who thinks they are compliant with the GPL, I don't see why I should accept
> the words of a screen.  Is there an independent corroboration of this
> anywhere?
>

See what trolltech says about this
http://www.trolltech.com/developer/licensing/index.html

"The Qt Free Edition (version 2.2 and later) is released under the Open Source
license QPL, and GPL. The Qt Free Edition may be freely copied and distributed,
put on ftp-sites and CD-ROMs etc. Qt Free Edition is provided with no warranty
and no support."

What do you wan't more ?

Ralf





RE: QT2 ready for ITP?

2002-08-01 Thread Nicholas Wourms


--- Ralf Habacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What do you wan't more ?

The expression is:
"What more do you want?"

Cheers,
Nicholas

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RE: QT2 ready for ITP?

2002-08-01 Thread Nicholas Wourms


--- Nicholas Wourms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> --- Ralf Habacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What do you wan't more ?
> 
> The expression is:
> "What more do you want?"
> 
> Cheers,
> Nicholas

Arrrggg!  I forgot about the Reply-To munging!  Sorry, this wasn't
intended for the list.

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RE: newbie - export X(-Applications) from Linux Server

2002-08-01 Thread Harold Hunt

Mario,

After launching XWin and before launching xterm, you need to:

export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0

This is why you should really be using startxwin.bat or startxwin.sh, as
outlined in the Cygwin/XFree86 User's Guide.

http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/ug/using.html#using-starting


Harold

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mario Ohnewald
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:23 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: newbie - export X(-Applications) from Linux Server
>
>
> Hello!
> > Mario,
> >
> >  From what I know, doing this doesn't always work:
> >  > install@MUNICH ~
> >  > $ cd /usr/X11R6/bin
> >  >
> >  > install@MUNICH /usr/X11R6/bin
> >  > $ ./XWin.exe &
> >  > [1] 108
> >  >
> >  > install@MUNICH /usr/X11R6/bin
> >  > $ ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
> >  > Last login: Sat Jan  5 06:42:18 2002
> >  > Have a lot of fun...
> >  > dex@linuxserver:~> xclock
> >
> > What you need to do instead is:
> > install@MUNICH ~
> > $ cd /usr/X11R6/bin
> >
> > install@MUNICH /usr/X11R6/bin
> > $ ./XWin.exe &
> >
> > install@MUNICH /usr/X11R6/bin
> > $ ./xterm.exe &
> >
>
> I did that, and thats what i get:
>
> install@MUNICH /usr/X11R6/bin
> $ ./xterm.exe
> ./xterm Xt error: Can't open display:
>
> ;/
> here is the logfile:
> -
> install@MUNICH /tmp
> $ cat XWin.log
> OsVendorInit - Creating bogus screen 0
> winInitializeDefaultScreens - w 1152 h 864
> winInitializeDefaultScreens - Returning
> _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root
> (EE) Unable to locate/open config file
> Error reading config file
> winDetectSupportedEngines - Windows NT/2000/XP
> winDetectSupportedEngines - DirectDraw installed
> winDetectSupportedEngines - Allowing PrimaryDD
> winDetectSupportedEngines - DirectDraw4 installed
> winDetectSupportedEngines - Returning, supported engines 001f
> InitOutput - g_iNumScreens: 1 iMaxConsecutiveScreen: 1
> winSetEngine - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking
> winAdjustVideoModeShadowDDNL - Using Windows display depth of 16 bits per
> pixel
> winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed - Initial w: 1152 h: 864
> winAdjustForAutoHide - Original WorkArea: 0 0 811 1152
> winAdjustForAutoHide - Adjusted WorkArea: 0 0 811 1152
> winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed - WindowClient w 1146 h 786 r
> 1146 l 0 b 786
> t 0
> winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed -  Returning
> winAllocateFBShadowDDNL - lPitch: 2292
> winFinishScreenInitFB - Masks: f800 07e0 001f
> winInitVisualsShadowDDNL - Masks f800 07e0 001f BPRGB
> 6 d 16 bpp
> 16
> winCreateDefColormap - Deferring to fbCreateDefColormap ()
> winScreenInit - returning
> (EE) No primary keyboard configured
> (==) Using compiletime defaults for keyboard
> Rules = "xfree86" Model = "pc101" Layout = "us" Variant =
> "(null)" Options =
> "(null)"
> > Now, from the xterm in Cygwin/XFree86 (you are getting a
> > Cygwin/XFree86
> > window, right?  If not something else is broken and you need
> > to send in
> > /tmp/XWin.log) run the ssh command:
> > [xterm window]
> > install@MUNICH /usr/X11R6/bin
> > $ ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Now you can run xclock and it should work.
> >
> > Harold
> >
>
> Cheers!
> Mario
>




keys not mapping in application login prompt

2002-08-01 Thread J S

Hi,

I have 2 boxes both running win2k and the same identical xfree 4.2.0 version 
running on them. The key mappings seem fine on both until I run an 
application which prompts for the username/password. On one machine, when I 
type in my username it prints odd characters, on the other machine the 
username prints out fine.

Can anyone guide me on how to resolve this problem please?

Many thanks,

JS.


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keyboard malfunctioning

2002-08-01 Thread Curt

Hi,
I am having problems with my keyboard working when using XFree86. 
Everything works fine until I run an X application on a remote system, 
namely xloadl. I get the application window, but I can't type in anything. 
The only keys that do anything on the keyboard are the spacebar, the Tab 
key, and the enter key. Is this a problem with my configuration, or with 
the server? Just as a background, I am new to UNIX and I work with Linux a 
little bit.
Thanks,
Curtis Neff

Graduate Research Assistant
Materials Science and Engineering
Georgia Institute of Technology
office (404) 385-0698
fax (404) 894-9140




RE: QT2 ready for ITP?

2002-08-01 Thread Ralf Habacker


> > Well, then, why all of the fuss in cygwin-patches where you were
> > trying
> > to modify windows headers?  It doesn't seem like this is an
> > entirely
> > "unix" port:
> >
> > http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-patches/2002-q3/msg00175.html
> >
> > So, while this may have been discussed before, I'm not sure we had
> > all of the details then.
>
> Well actually, it would be totally Win32 header free, if it weren't
> for the fact that Chris January added an original patch to better
> display current drives in konqueror.  As for the dns stuff, that was
> already present in the Unix/X11 version, which is covered by the
> QPL/GPL.

I think it is necessary to say detailed, what the changes on the qt port are.

The qt-2 port of the qt/x11 is based on the official qt/x11-2.3.1 release from
trolltech.

Qt manages the platform specific parts in os specific files like
filenane_x11.ext or filename_win32.ext.
In the qt/x11 release the _win32. files are not contained, although some win32
code (dns code for example) is still contained with the lack of an os detection
code, for which I have added code, based on an msdn example.

Chris January has written some native stuff for file open/reading, I have added
some native stuff for a faster Qdir implementation using Find(First|Next)File().

Does anyone see a problem with this ?

Ralf





Re: keyboard malfunctioning

2002-08-01 Thread Thomas Chadwick

I'll bet you have Caps Lock and/or Num Lock on.  Turn them off and see if 
that makes a difference.

I addressed this with a hack awhile back.  Look here:

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2002-06/msg00307.html

>From: Curt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: keyboard malfunctioning
>Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:10:48 -0400
>
>Hi,
>I am having problems with my keyboard working when using XFree86. 
>Everything works fine until I run an X application on a remote system, 
>namely xloadl. I get the application window, but I can't type in anything. 
>The only keys that do anything on the keyboard are the spacebar, the Tab 
>key, and the enter key. Is this a problem with my configuration, or with 
>the server? Just as a background, I am new to UNIX and I work with Linux a 
>little bit.
>Thanks,
>Curtis Neff
>
>Graduate Research Assistant
>Materials Science and Engineering
>Georgia Institute of Technology
>office (404) 385-0698
>fax (404) 894-9140


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Re: keyboard malfunctioning

2002-08-01 Thread Harold L Hunt II

Curt wrote:
> Hi,
> I am having problems with my keyboard working when using XFree86. 
> Everything works fine until I run an X application on a remote system, 
> namely xloadl. I get the application window, but I can't type in 
> anything. The only keys that do anything on the keyboard are the 
> spacebar, the Tab key, and the enter key. Is this a problem with my 
> configuration, or with the server? Just as a background, I am new to 
> UNIX and I work with Linux a little bit.
> Thanks,
> Curtis Neff
> 
> Graduate Research Assistant
> Materials Science and Engineering
> Georgia Institute of Technology
> office (404) 385-0698
> fax (404) 894-9140
> 

Curtis,

Turn NumLock off and try it again.

Harold




ssh-agent in startxwin.sh?

2002-08-01 Thread Jehan

Hello,

Why is ssh-agent in startwin.sh? Harold, I think you forgot to remove it 
from your script ;)
And if you didn't, then you didn't add the dependency to openssh.

Jehan






Re: lesstif confuses app-defaults

2002-08-01 Thread Sylvain Petreolle

Dou you manage to use mwm normally ? Trying to use lesstiff with the
file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/mwm/system.mwmrc copied in $HOME/.mwmrc doesn't
function. (even it's written in README in the same directory)

It reports :
Warning: Cannot convert string "rom14" to type FontStruct
(font problem, I think)
and menus don't work, I cannot move/resize/close/... windows.

 --- Hans Werner Strube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > After
upgrading XFree86 and installing lesstif (so far, I had used my
> own
> lesstif), I found that the directory tree was confused:
> instead of a symlink /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults ->
> /etc/X11/app-defaults,
> there was a directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults containing a
> symlink
> app-defaults and a file Mwm (the latter should rather have been in
> /etc/X11/app-defaults). Thus no application (except mwm) could find
> its
> app-defaults file. This is obviously a bug in the lesstif tar file.
> (I just found this effect has been reported before in
> 2002-05/msf00296.html
> but is still not fixed.) 

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Re: ssh-agent in startxwin.sh?

2002-08-01 Thread Harold L Hunt II

Jehan,

I had probably asked the same question of others at some point. 
 Remember, I inherited the initial versions of these scripts from 
others.  There were no comments, whatsoever, in the initial versions of 
these scripts.  As I have said before, I am a terrible computer *user*, 
so I have difficulty evaluating whether a command such as ssh-agent 
should stay or be taken out.

Can you do a search of the mailing list archives for ssh-agent and let 
me know what the conclusion was, if any, about removing it or keeping it?

I am guessing that you are probably right... since I know a little more 
about ssh now and I can guess that ssh-agent is only useful to users 
that know what they are using it for, and you are right that there 
should be a dependency on ssh if we are using ssh-agent.  Just let me 
know what you uncover and I will probably remove ssh-agent from 
startxwin.sh.

Harold

Jehan wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Why is ssh-agent in startwin.sh? Harold, I think you forgot to remove 
> it from your script ;)
> And if you didn't, then you didn't add the dependency to openssh.
>
> Jehan
>
>
>




Re: ssh-agent in startxwin.sh?

2002-08-01 Thread Jehan

Harold L Hunt II wrote:
> Jehan,
> 
> I had probably asked the same question of others at some point. 
> Remember, I inherited the initial versions of these scripts from 
> others.  There were no comments, whatsoever, in the initial versions of 
> these scripts.  As I have said before, I am a terrible computer *user*, 
> so I have difficulty evaluating whether a command such as ssh-agent 
> should stay or be taken out.
> 
> Can you do a search of the mailing list archives for ssh-agent and let 
> me know what the conclusion was, if any, about removing it or keeping it?
> 
> I am guessing that you are probably right... since I know a little more 
> about ssh now and I can guess that ssh-agent is only useful to users 
> that know what they are using it for, and you are right that there 
> should be a dependency on ssh if we are using ssh-agent.  Just let me 
> know what you uncover and I will probably remove ssh-agent from 
> startxwin.sh.

I couldn't find any discussion about this issue.

AFAIK, ssh-agent is only used to log on a ssh session without having to 
enter a password. It has nothing to do with X. Moreover the batch file 
doesn't use it and works well. And just for testing, I removed it from 
my sh script and was still able to start X with wmaker and an xterm. So 
I think it can safely be removed from the script.
The only drawback I can see is for people who rely on ssh-agent being 
loaded with startxwin. But they will just have to modify their start 
script or, better, modify their .xinitrc.

Jehan






Re: QT2 ready for ITP?

2002-08-01 Thread Christopher Faylor

On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 01:35:34PM +0100, Ralf Habacker wrote:
>> Since I don't accept the word of every person with a web site out there
>> who thinks they are compliant with the GPL, I don't see why I should accept
>> the words of a screen.  Is there an independent corroboration of this
>> anywhere?
>>
>
>See what trolltech says about this
>http://www.trolltech.com/developer/licensing/index.html
>
>"The Qt Free Edition (version 2.2 and later) is released under the Open Source
>license QPL, and GPL. The Qt Free Edition may be freely copied and distributed,
>put on ftp-sites and CD-ROMs etc. Qt Free Edition is provided with no warranty
>and no support."
>
>What do you wan't more ?

Ok.  I yield.  I'll accept that the licensing for this package is in compliance
with Cygwin's.  Thanks for humoring me.

cgf



Re: /etc/profile.d/00xfree.csh vs. grep

2002-08-01 Thread Nicholas Wourms

This is more appropriate for the Cygwin/XFree list.

--- Keith Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The script /etc/profile.d/00xfree.csh includes the following line:
> 
> eval "echo ${PATH} | grep -q ${X11PATH}"
> 
> This is executed before $PATH has been set, resulting in an error
> message:
> 
> grep: Command not found.
> 
> The fix is simple: change "grep" to "/bin/grep".
> 
> (00xfree.sh uses "/bin/grep".)
> 
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