website identifiers
When perusing the website for news, it would be useful if the pages were marked (in their source) as generated or manually updated. For the former (unless they're generated on demand), a modification date would also be useful. For the latter, an RCS/CVS/etc identifier to distinguish successive versions is normally expected. Are the pages all generated from another format, or are some in CVS (somewhere)? -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Keyboard auto-repeat defaults when using 'xwin -query host'
On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:41:14PM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Chris, Chris Green wrote: The problem is that when I connect using cygwin/xfree the auto-repeat is set to silly values, if I do an 'xset -q' I get:- auto repeat: onkey click persent: 0LED mask: 00 auto repeat delay: 100repeat rate: 10 That auto repeat delay is much too short. Thanks for the response and for treating me gently, I'm just feeling my way in cygwin/X although I have been using Unix/Linux for many years (since the early 1980s in fact). When running locally, I get: Keyboard Control: auto repeat: onkey click percent: 0LED mask: auto repeat delay: 500repeat rate: 31 auto repeating keys: 00ffdbbf fadfffdffdff bell percent: 50bell pitch: 400bell duration: 100 Just about exactly what I get except for the auto repeat delay values which I reported above. When logged into a remote machine via -query I get exactly the same values. I do not have an XF86Config file, and I am not passing any of the following command-line parameters to XWin.exe: == The X Keyboard Extension adds the following arguments: -kbdisable the X Keyboard Extension +kbenable the X Keyboard Extension [+-]accessx [ timeout [ timeout_mask [ feedback [ options_mask] ] ] ] enable/disable accessx key sequences -ar1 set XKB autorepeat delay -ar2 set XKB autorepeat interval [...] -xf86config Specify a configuration file. == I'm running using a copy of startxwin.bat with the XWIn start line set to start XWin -query server. I have no XF86Config either. My /tmp/XWin.log file has the following: == (--) Setting autorepeat to delay=500, rate=31 (--) winConfigKeyboard - Layout: 0409 (0409) (EE) No primary keyboard configured (==) Using compiletime defaults for keyboard Rules = xfree86 Model = pc101 Layout = us Variant = (null) Options = (null) == Could you please confirm that you are not passing any additional args to XWin.exe, then send in your XWin.log files from both a local session and from a session when you use -query to connect to a remote machine? That should help us to investigate the problem. The remote XWin.log file is:- ddxProcessArgument - Initializing default screens winInitializeDefaultScreens - w 1600 h 1200 winInitializeDefaultScreens - Returning OsVendorInit - Creating bogus screen 0 (EE) Unable to locate/open config file InitOutput - Error reading config file winDetectSupportedEngines - Windows NT/2000/XP winDetectSupportedEngines - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines - Allowing PrimaryDD winDetectSupportedEngines - DirectDraw4 installed winDetectSupportedEngines - Returning, supported engines 001f InitOutput - g_iNumScreens: 1 iMaxConsecutiveScreen: 1 winSetEngine - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking winAdjustVideoModeShadowDDNL - Using Windows display depth of 16 bits per pixel winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed - User w: 1600 h: 1200 winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed - Current w: 1600 h: 1200 winAdjustForAutoHide - Original WorkArea: 33 0 1200 1600 winAdjustForAutoHide - Adjusted WorkArea: 33 0 1200 1600 winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed - WindowClient w 1594 h 1137 r 1594 l 0 b 1137 t 0 winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed - Returning winCreatePrimarySurfaceShadowDDNL - Creating primary surface winCreatePrimarySurfaceShadowDDNL - Created primary surface winCreatePrimarySurfaceShadowDDNL - Attached clipper to primary surface winAllocateFBShadowDDNL - lPitch: 3188 winAllocateFBShadowDDNL - Created shadow pitch: 3188 winAllocateFBShadowDDNL - Created shadow stride: 1594 winFinishScreenInitFB - Masks: f800 07e0 001f winInitVisualsShadowDDNL - Masks f800 07e0 001f BPRGB 6 d 16 bpp 16 winCreateDefColormap - Deferring to fbCreateDefColormap () winFinishScreenInitFB - returning winScreenInit - returning InitOutput - Returning. MIT-SHM extension disabled due to lack of kernel support XFree86-Bigfont extension local-client optimization disabled due to lack of shared memory support in the kernel (--) Setting autorepeat to delay=500, rate=31 (--) winConfigKeyboard - Layout: 0809 (0809) (--) Using preset keyboard for English (United Kingdom) (809), type 4 (EE) No primary keyboard configured (==) Using compiletime defaults for
Re: website identifiers
Thomas Dickey wrote: When perusing the website for news, it would be useful if the pages were marked (in their source) as generated or manually updated. For the former (unless they're generated on demand), a modification date would also be useful. For the latter, an RCS/CVS/etc identifier to distinguish successive versions is normally expected. Are the pages all generated from another format, or are some in CVS (somewhere)? The Documentation (User's Guide, Contributor's Guide, and FAQ) are generated from DocBook source; see the following page for information on where to get the source in CVS: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/devel/documentation/ I believe that all other pages on the site are manually generated, and they are stored in CVS. My various attempts to find a public CVS interface to the tree and to find a CVSWeb interface to the tree have not been successful; I have not checked with Chris whether this is intentional or not, in either case, it is beyond my control. We could add an identifier to each file. I have to look into some options for doing so. In the meantime, enjoy the following hack: http://cygwin.com/xfree/CVS/Entries Harold
Re: Keyboard auto-repeat defaults when using 'xwin -query host'
Chris Green wrote: I have a odd problem with the keyboard auto-repeat setup. I have two verions of cygwin/xfree installed on two different win2k computers and the problem is the same on both. One has the latest cygwin/xfree (just downloaded) and the other has a version from a few months ago. I have searched through the mailing list archive and see that a similar problem has been reported before but it isn't exactly the same and I don't see how to fix the problem anyway. I am connecting from both these win2k systems uisng 'xwin -query server' to a linux Slackware 9.1 system on my local (home) network. I have also got another X server available to me, X-Win32 but I'd prefer to use cygwin as it's free and otherwise I keep having to pay for upgrades to X-Win32. The problem is that when I connect using cygwin/xfree the auto-repeat is set to silly values, if I do an 'xset -q' I get:- auto repeat: onkey click persent: 0LED mask: 00 auto repeat delay: 100repeat rate: 10 That auto repeat delay is much too short. XWin tries to set the repeat rate to something similar to the windows repeat rate. This is noted in the configfile. Maybe the session scripts of the linux host set the repeat rate to a bogus value. You can verify this by starting xwin without the query paramter and run DISPLAY=:0.0 xset -q from windows. This should print the default setting. bye ago NP: grauzone.03-12-14 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
Re: Keyboard auto-repeat defaults when using 'xwin -query host'
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 02:31:58PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: Chris Green wrote: auto repeat delay: 100repeat rate: 10 That auto repeat delay is much too short. XWin tries to set the repeat rate to something similar to the windows repeat rate. This is noted in the configfile. Maybe the session scripts of the linux host set the repeat rate to a bogus value. But the problem only occurs when I connect to the remote system using cygwin's xwin, when I use my commercial X-Win32 X server I get the default keyboard set-up that I expect. You can verify this by starting xwin without the query paramter and run DISPLAY=:0.0 xset -q from windows. This should print the default setting. No. locally I appear to get the same problem too. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: website identifiers
Thomas Dickey wrote: When perusing the website for news, it would be useful if the pages were marked (in their source) as generated or manually updated. For the former (unless they're generated on demand), a modification date would also be useful. For the latter, an RCS/CVS/etc identifier to distinguish successive versions is normally expected. Are the pages all generated from another format, or are some in CVS (somewhere)? By the way... what are you looking for? CVS identifiers wouldn't necessarily help to determine that new information has been posted since commits for spelling fixes, grammar changes, dead link correction, etc. would cause irrelevant noise in the modified date tags. That's really why I chose to put a hand-coded date at the top of the pages; that way people are notified when content has been modified in a meaningful way, but there aren't false-positives when minor changes have been made. Would CVS identifiers still be useful for whatever you are trying to do? Maybe I'll start adding them as comments for starters but still keep the hand-modified date for each page. Harold
Re: website identifiers
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Thomas Dickey wrote: When perusing the website for news, it would be useful if the pages were marked (in their source) as generated or manually updated. For the former (unless they're generated on demand), a modification date would also be useful. For the latter, an RCS/CVS/etc identifier to distinguish successive versions is normally expected. Are the pages all generated from another format, or are some in CVS (somewhere)? By the way... what are you looking for? CVS identifiers wouldn't If it's maintained (i.e., if the file isn't edited w/o checking it in), it's a quick way to check if the file's been changed recently. The identifier also provides a point of reference to check if there are changes that aren't committed. Hand-coded dates are more readable (and of course I use those where readability is a factor), but the automatic ones are preferable for identifying distinct versions. necessarily help to determine that new information has been posted since commits for spelling fixes, grammar changes, dead link correction, etc. would cause irrelevant noise in the modified date tags. That's really why I chose to put a hand-coded date at the top of the pages; that way people are notified when content has been modified in a meaningful way, but there aren't false-positives when minor changes have been made. Would CVS identifiers still be useful for whatever you are trying to do? Maybe I'll start adding them as comments for starters but still keep the hand-modified date for each page. Harold -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: website identifiers
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Would CVS identifiers still be useful for whatever you are trying to do? Maybe I'll start adding them as comments for starters but still keep the hand-modified date for each page. That's what I do, e.g., http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.log.html -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: website identifiers
Thomas Dickey wrote: On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Would CVS identifiers still be useful for whatever you are trying to do? Maybe I'll start adding them as comments for starters but still keep the hand-modified date for each page. That's what I do, e.g., http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.log.html Okay. Each page should now have: HEADER MODIFIED: $Date$ $Author$ LEFT SIDEBAR MODIFIED: $Date$ $Author$ BODY MODIFIED: $Date$ $Author$ FOOTER MODIFIED: $Date$ $Author$ Additionally, the home page has: NEWS MODIFIED: $Date$ $Author$ Harold
Re: website identifiers
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Okay. Each page should now have: HEADER MODIFIED: $Date$ $Author$ LEFT SIDEBAR MODIFIED: $Date$ $Author$ BODY MODIFIED: $Date$ $Author$ FOOTER MODIFIED: $Date$ $Author$ that's better. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
