Re: Scenes from the Supreme Court protests today
Alright, Declan using his Nikon Coolpix 950! Screw that analog stuff. Got 340Mb? At 5:21 PM -0500 12/1/00, Declan McCullagh wrote: # http://www.mccullagh.org/theme/supreme-court-bush-gore-arguments.html The Reverend Al Sharpton, working off more weight. Hey, they get to use bullhorns in DC? We can't even use a stick to hold up a sign here in NYC! Our resident racist prosecutor fantasy killer Tim May wrote: # #I noticed the guy down on his knees...was he expecting the #Republicans to give him a bullet to the base of the neck? Huh? What is going on in what's left of your brain? Our resident racist prosecutor fantasy killer Tim May wrote: # #Frankly, I think much of Al Gore's desperation comes from his #realization that if he loses, he'll face prosecution for his #treason vis-a-vis the Chinese. And, as someone pointed out to #me recently, if Al Gore has no power, the Chinese won't need #him around. In fact, he becomes a positive liability for them, #in terms of testimony, plea bargains, memoirs, careless comments. #They may choose to retire him with extreme prejudice. Gore wants to be president so he won't be killed? World-class lame lamentations.
Transvestite TLD ;-)
http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB975376877752666821.htm # #November 28, 2000 # #VeriSign Invests in dotTV, #Enters Marketing Alliance # #By NICK WINGFIELD # #Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL # #VeriSign Inc., a leader in handling registrations for ".com" #Internet addresses, Tuesday announced it is investing in a small #firm that controls Internet addresses ending in ".tv". # #VeriSign, Mountain View, Calif., is the largest investor in a #$28 million round of venture capital raised by .TV Corp. #International, a closely held firm in Los Angeles that goes by #the name of dotTV. International cable concern UnitedGlobalCom #Inc., investment firm Munder Capital Management and other #investors contributed to the funding, according to dotTV #executives. # #VeriSign, through its Network Solutions subsidiary, also plans #to begin allowing registrations of .tv Internet addresses on #the Network Solutions Web site. Network Solutions also will store #.tv addresses in a collection of 13 industrial-strength computers #around the world that handle look-ups of Internet addresses. # #Network Solutions is the world's largest registrar of Internet #address or "domain names" ending in .net., .org and .com. VeriSign #and dotTV don't plan to disclose the financial terms of their #marketing alliance, though VeriSign is expected to get a cut #of the $50 annual fee dotTV charges customers for registering #.tv domain names. # #The marketing deal could be a big boost for tiny dotTV, which #wants to establish .tv as an alternative domain name aimed at #Web companies that feature hefty doses of multimedia programming #on their sites. An oversight body called the Internet Corp. for #Assigned Names Numbers, or Icann, hopes to finalize a plan #by the end of the year to create a number of new Internet address #suffixes, including ".info," ".pro" and ".biz". # #In the meantime, dotTV was able to license rights to the ".tv" #domain name from Tuvalu, a small Pacific Island nation for which #the suffix is an abbreviation. Under its agreement with dotTV, #Tuvalu receives a minimum of $4 million a year during the next #10 years, according to dotTV executives. Tuvalu also owns about #20% of the company and has a seat on the dotTV board.
On 60 tonight
My on-screen guide said "FISA", tvguide.com says, "Mike Wallace looks at one couple's claim that they were set up by the FBI and wrongly convicted of espionage."
On 60 tonight
And Katherine Harris bumped the piece. Our resident racist prosecutor fantasy killer Tim May wrote: #I notice you're babbling about what's on "60 Minutes" There are some overachievers who can babble in only one sentence, not I. It takes me several. Our resident racist prosecutor fantasy killer Tim May wrote: # ...but not saying a peep about the certification # of the election in Bush's favor. Peep. Pooh. Pregnant chad. Too bad. It ain't over, but Gore's looking had. What a scream, those thousands of black votes invalidated because the people getting out the vote told them to punch each page, invalidating them. Double punch hole, no peace. We. Ourselves. Fleeced. What do you think would happen if Gore eventually became prez? Who would the few armed "blood in the streets" nutters shoot? Our resident racist prosecutor fantasy killer Tim May wrote: # Now that an incoming Republican Administration will be able to # prosecute Bill for his various crimes, Oh! Now who wants to keep having trials until you get the result you want? What tunnel vision.
Fucking cops (Put down those fries)
Girl Arrested for Eating Fries in Subway Police Cite 'Zero Tolerance' No-Food Rule Nov. 16, 2000 WASHINGTON (AP) -- The mother of a 12-year-old girl who was handcuffed, booked and fingerprinted for eating french fries in a subway station says police went too far. "I can't believe there isn't a better way to teach kids a lesson," said Tracey Hedgepeth, whose daughter Ansche was arrested. "The police treated her like a criminal." But Metro Transit Police Chief Barry J. McDevitt is unapologetic about Ansche's arrest last month and others like it. "We really do believe in zero tolerance," he said. Undercover operation Commuter complaints about unlawful eating on Metro cars and in stations led McDevitt to mount an undercover crackdown on violators. A dozen plainclothes officers cited or arrested 35 people, 13 of them juveniles. Only one adult was arrested. The seventh-grade girl said the station in northwest Washington where she was nabbed is "just a place where a lot of kids go. There's a hot dog stand and Cafe Med, where I bought my fries." She said she took the elevator to the station with a friend. As the pair passed the station kiosk, a man stepped in front of Ansche. 'Put down your fries' "He said: 'Put down your fries. Put down your book bag,'" Ansche said. "They searched my book bag and searched me. They asked me if I have any drugs or alcohol." Ansche said she has never been asked those questions or searched like that before. "I was embarrassed. I told my friend to call my mom, but I didn't tell anybody else," she said. She said she never talked to the officer, although Metro police insist that she was asked whether she knew eating was against the law and that she said she did. They said anyone who doesn't know about the law usually is given a warning first. Signs warning that it is illegal to eat or drink on the cars and in the stations are posted in the Metro system. Custody for juveniles She was taken to the detention center, where she was checked in, fingerprinted and held for her parents to pick her up. If Ansche had been an adult, she simply would have received citations for fines up to $300. But juveniles who commit criminal offenses in the District of Columbia must be taken into custody, McDevitt said. It is department policy to handcuff anyone who is arrested, no matter the age, he said. Ansche must perform community service and undergo counseling at the Boys and Girls Club, one of the sentences Metro has chosen for underage snacking lawbreakers. Bad trash problem McDevitt said the Tenleytown stop where the arrest occurred has had a particularly bad trash problem. "We had not only customers complaining," he said. "Train conductors were also complaining about how trashed their trains were, and they were asking for more enforcement." Hedgepeth said she agrees with sticking to the rules, but wonders why police couldn't issue warnings. "How do they expect kids to grow up trusting police?" she said. "My daughter will now grow up knowing she's been in handcuffs. All over a french fry."
White Supremacist raided
- Feds raid David Dukes house, cart off files - Feds Raid Home of Ex-Klansman By Cain Burdeau ASSOCIATED PRESS MANDEVILLE, La. Federal agents raided the home of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke on Thursday, carting off boxes of documents and a rifle during a search that lasted more than seven hours. FBI agent Sheila Thorne refused to disclose the nature of the investigation. But Roy Armstrong, who identified himself as Duke's bodyguard and a caretaker at the house, said agents told him they were looking into whether Duke was illegally using money raised for his new white-rights organization for his personal use. "It's a fishing expedition," Armstrong said. Duke's associates said that the 50-year-old former KKK leader and one-time state legislator was in Russia, promoting a new book, and that they had not been able to reach him. His new organization is the National Organization For European American Rights, or NOFEAR. He launched it in January, declaring that whites in the United States face "massive discrimination" at the hands of minorities. Agents from the FBI, Internal Revenue Service and the Postal Inspection Service took part in the search of Duke's home in a suburb outside New Orleans. Agents carried out about a dozen boxes. Armstrong showed reporters a copy of the search warrant, which sought a variety of financial and personal records, including gambling and travel records and direct mailings. As for the rifle, Armstrong said agents told him they believed it was stolen. Armstrong said that he had never seen the gun before and that he did not know whether it belonged to Duke. Duke appeared before a federal grand jury in New Orleans in 1999 as news broke that Gov. Mike Foster had paid him more than $150,000 for a list of his supporters, supposedly for use during the 1995 governor's race. Duke had considered entering that race but ultimately stayed out of it. The grand jury reportedly was seeking information on whether Duke paid taxes on the money. It was not known if the raid on Duke's home had anything to do with that matter. Foster "hasn't spoken to the FBI," said the governor's spokeswoman, Marsanne Golsby. "He doesn't know anything about it." Foster, a Republican, paid a $20,000 fine to the state Board of Ethics in connection with the list of supporters. Duke spent years on the political fringe, first as a Klan leader with neo-Nazi sympathies, then as founder of the National Association for the Advancement of White People, which decried integration. He got elected to the state House in 1989 as a Republican and ran unsuccessfully for the U.S. Senate in 1990, pulling 44 percent of the vote against Democratic Sen. J. Bennett Johnston. In the 1991 governor's race, he shocked the political establishment by making it into a runoff with former Gov. Edwin Edwards, who was trying for a comeback. Edwards won in a landslide. Duke made a run for the presidency in Southern primaries in 1992 but was soundly defeated. He finished third in the 1999 race to replace Rep. Bob Livingston in Congress.
Florida Democrats shot themselves in both feet
It woulda been over. Coulda shoulda woulda. http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/17/politics/17DUVA.html # #November 17, 2000 # #Democrats Rue Ballot Foul-Up in a 2nd County # #By RAYMOND BONNER with JOSH BARBANEL # #ACKSONVILLE, Fla., Nov. 16 - Democrats in Duval County prepared #meticulously for Election Day. They registered thousands of voters #and ferried enough people to the polls in predominantly #African-American precincts to give a solid boost to Vice President #Al Gore in a county expected to swing reliably into Gov. George #W. Bush's column. # #But the results of Duval County's vote left Democrats here shaking #their heads. More than 26,000 ballots were invalidated, the vast #majority because they contained votes for more than one #presidential candidate. Nearly 9,000 of the votes were thrown #out in the predominantly African-American communities around #Jacksonville, where Mr. Gore scored 10-to-1 ratios of victory, #according to an analysis of the vote by The New York Times. # #The percentage of invalidated votes here was far higher than #that recorded in Palm Beach County, which has become the focus #of national attention and where Democrats have argued that so #many people were disenfranchised it may be necessary to let them #vote again. Neither Democrats nor Republicans have demanded a #hand recount or new election in Duval County. # #Local election officials attributed the outcome to a ballot that #had the name of presidential candidates on two pages, which they #said many voters found confusing. Many voters, they said, voted #once on each page. The election officials said they would not #use such a ballot in the future. # #Rodney G. Gregory, a lawyer for the Democrats in Duval County, #said the party shared the blame for the confusion. Mr. Gregory #said Democratic Party workers instructed voters, many persuaded #to go to the polls for the first time, to cast ballots in every #race and "be sure to punch a hole on every page." # #"The get-out-the vote folks messed it up," Mr. Gregory said #ruefully. # #If Mr. Gregory's assessment is correct, and thousands of Gore #supporters were inadvertently misled into invalidating their #ballots, this county alone would have been enough to give Mr. #Gore the electoral votes of Florida, and thus the White House. [snip]
Re: Bob's Bank. Hi, I'm Bob. Just slip it in this pocket here.
Marshall Clow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #900 people -- $186M. That's $206K each. #That's a lot of money to put into a 'bank'. Wow, money goes a lot further when it's not taxed, eh? ;-)
Bush's legal contradictions
It's all just politics... Bush said keep it out of the courts, then went to Federal court. Now...(snipped) http://foxnews.com/election_night/111600/trail.sml # #The Florida Supreme Court, in a one-paragraph decision, denied #a petition by Florida Secretary of State Harris to halt manual #recounts in at least two counties and consolidate 11 lower-court #cases into a single one. The ruling gave elections officials #in Palm Beach and Broward counties reason to restart a hand count #of as many as 1 million votes. # #The Bush campaign has argued that the seven-member state panel #- filled entirely by Democrats - has no authority in the case. #"It's my opinion that the [Florida] Supreme Court has no #jurisdiction," said Barry Richard, a Bush legal adviser.
Re: hey ummm...
sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] #[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # # how do you make a stink bomb? # #Pull your head out of your ass and smell yourself. No no no. Think about these words of wise pondering by Beavis and Butthead: "Why don't boogers smell?"
Florida Electorial defection threat!
A Florida Electoral delegate for Dubya, (an unknown number of electoral votes), is threatening to vote for Gore. Apparently she is free to do so. Her name is approximately Berta Morajelo, sounded Spanish or Cuban. Reported on MSNBC TV, who's WWW sucks rotten toads, so I don't visit it anymore.
RE: Florida Electoral defection threat!
"Trei, Peter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # #It would take at least two faithless electors to #swing the election to Gore. One would make it #a dead heat, and send the decision to Congress. Ping pong, ping pong. Isn't a switch of one vote a difference of two in the total? Wait, that's wrong. As long as the majority of the electoral college votes, the winner is the one with the majority of that. 270 would still be a winner for Bush. Are the rest of the states lining up for a 270-270 tie???
Republicans squash the FL manual recount!
The Florida Secretary of State has just ruled that any recounts not completed by [sometime] tomorrow won't be certified. The Democrats should not give them any numbers for Palm Beach County while the recanvas continues. And of course, now the lawsuits fly.
Here comes Jesse Jackson
FoxNewsChannel reports Jesse Jackson is about to fire up a large crowd. Cross your fingers, Tim.
Bush Florida lead dwindles toward zero...
Bush actually lost votes, a very bad omen for him. Partially detached chads tend to come off during repeated runs through the tabulating machinery. This recount is occurring without a court order, it's provided for by Florida law. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/politics/12WIRE-PALM.html # #November 12, 2000 # #Palm Beach County Orders Manual Recount of Bush-Gore Vote # #By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS # #WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Palm Beach County officials ordered an #extraordinary countywide recount, by hand, of the more than #425,000 votes cast in the presidential election for Al Gore and #George W. Bush. # #Gore added 36 votes and Bush lost three in a machine recount #of Palm Beach County in Florida's disputed presidential balloting. #A hand count of selected precincts turned up enough errors in #the election night vote to prompt county election officials to #order a complete recount by hand. The vote early Saturday was #2-1. # #"This clearly would affect the national vote," said Carol Roberts, #a county commissioner and a member of the canvassing commission. # #Election officials said their exhaustive manual recount found #numerous differences from the machine count. Roberts said the #errors point to potentially 1,900 errors county wide -- more #than the existing statewide margin between Bush and Gore. # #At stake is no less than the presidency, since Florida will #deliver 25 electoral votes.
Re: Close Elections and Causality
Kevin Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: %This is why people who don't know statistics should not be allowed to %think... By no means is that number, by itself, of any significance %whatsoever. How many got canceled last election- one number I heard %said 14,000. If so then 19,000 is about what one would expect %considering increased voter turnout and normal statistical %fluctuations. Bzzzt! Wrong. http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB973893500998857873.htm # #November 10, 2000 # #Palm Beach Official Disputes Claim By Bush Campaign on Invalid #Ballots # #By JACKIE CALMES Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL # #WASHINGTON -- The Bush campaign is dead wrong on one of its prime #arguments in response to complaints about voter confusion in #Florida's Palm Beach County, according to a top county official. # #Palm Beach County Commissioner Carol Roberts said in an interview #Friday that about 30,000 ballots were invalidated for their #presidential selection this week because voters had punched two #holes or none. That is more than twice the 14,000 invalidated #in 1996, which could be evidence of some amount of voter confusion #about the county ballot's much-criticized design. # #This week, both Bush campaign Chairman Don Evans and chief #strategist Karl Rove have claimed that about 19,000 ballots' #presidential votes were invalidated, or not significantly more #than four years ago, when turnout was lower. But that 19,000 #represents only the invalidated ballots with two holes punched #for president, the commissioner says. More than 10,000 additional #ballots were invalidated for having no presidential vote, she #explains, for a combined 30,000. # #"It's not a correct argument," Ms. Roberts, a Democrat, said #of the Bush officials' contention that this year's invalidated #ballots are comparable to the number four years ago. "It's just #not accurate." Kevin Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: %More importantly, the ballot was approved by both %parties before the election took place. Thus demonstrating the ballot design problem is non-partisan. I asked a [Bush-voting] friend why the live-and-let-die attitude towards such a large loss of people's votes, and he admitted it was because he wanted Bush to win, and that Gore probably had the votes.
Re: Bush Florida lead dwindles toward zero...
White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: #Hey, Vulis, I was the one who pointed this out earlier than nearly #anyone else. Yesterday, early afternoon, my time. Check it out. Oooh, want to compete on who was first? !From root Mon Nov 6 19:09:23 2000 !From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] !Subject: Election results come in January !Newsgroups: ny.politics !Organization: NYPD: We don't need no stinkin' license plates! ! !Florida is so close results might not be in until 9-11pm EST. !Same for Michigan. ! !And California? 3.2 million absentee ballots, which will !take days to count. ! !And the government's official count doesn't !come in until three months later. ! !Anyway, there's a chance we won't know who wins for a while. ! !Just a possibility. White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: #I'm fully aware that the Democrats will likely win through #exactly this trickery. What trickery? Everything being done now is provided for by Florida law. Of course, a White Supremacist like you will have a severely twisted view of even the simplest of events. White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: #As I have said, it will be a "good" thing that the Democrats #steal the election this way. Yeah, for your "Turner Diaries" wet dreams. Ha ha ha. White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: Georgie-poo wrote: #Live and let live. #Fuck that. Heh-heh-heh. Poor rich weirdo and his "Turner Diaries" wet dreams. Why don't you do something constructive-ish by releasing a shoot-em-up video game that matches your wet dreams? Usenet and this list don't do your warped dreams justice. Better release it anonymously, or you'll get sued for anyone hurt. ;-) Or don't, and make your free speech stand there.
Tim May, White Supremacist
Seriously, Tim, are you just going to continue
to fart around here and in Usenet for another
10 years, or are you going to do something to
propagate your views?
I'd suggest a video game.
There would be white trash (liked you), Jews, Blacks...
Some specific personalities: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton...
For good measure, you should include yourself.
The dialog should be variable, choices of politically
correct, anti-semitic, anti-black ("Welfare mutants" -TimMay).
Anti-Democratic, anti-Republican. Plugins for other countries.
Choice of paintball or bloody death mode.
You get the idea.
Don't you want to profit from a game that allows you
to shoot down Jesse Jackson Al Sharpton AND cause
a free speech furor (heil!).
Your current attempts ("they need killing") are pathetic.
Re: Close Elections and Causality
Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] #These spoiled ballots don't imply that the voters who #created them didn't ask for and receive new ballots. Those 30,000 (not 19,000) were from the ballot box, not replaced ballots from on-site. White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: #...liberal Jews...the Jews...liberal Jews coming to get our guns. HA HA HA! A paranoid racist fuck. You're the Buchanan of the Cypherpunks list. "In the name of the Lord, let's get behind George Bush." ---Patrick Buchanan, who received "0%" of the vote (.5%)
Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
FoxNewsChannel has announced George Dubya Bush will make a pre-emptive court strike by challenging manual recounts. This, following warning Gore not to challenge results in court. These recounts are provided by state law, and are not being done for any court. Bush's objection is that people are subject to corruption, unlike tabulating devices. Dubya's new motto: "I trust in machines, not people."
Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
Declan, powerful Media Mogul, wrote: #George seems to have an unusual fixation on Vulis... THAT'S NOT FUNNY. White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: #I trust more in machines for counting machine ballots than I trust in #local politicians counting machine ballots. The Republican and Democratic members of the card examiners have agreed on objective standards. o if any corner of the "chad" is broken, then it is a choice. o merely indented or even "pregnant" (sunshine) are not a choice As far as I know, two opposing choices is still an invalidated ballot White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: #The Democrat Party is just trying to steal the election. You mean Dubya is, by virtue of going into federal court to stop a state recount that is provided for under Florida law. White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: #Blood in the street is about to flow. AH HA HA HA HA! You and your "Turner Diaries" wet dreams. White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: #No wonder the Democrat Party has been trying so hard to disarm us. No wondering about your brain: it's left the planet. Hey, Tim, put your wife on the list so we can talk to the rational one. If I ever find out your real name and where you live, I'm going to come over and deal with you. I'm going to lick you. Lick, Lick, Lick, Slobber, Lickity-lick-lick-lick. Yum, stupid white trash.
Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
A prime example of machine counting being unreliable. [New Mexico] http://foxnews.com/election_night/111000/new_mexico.sml # #The county withdrew early-voting and absentee ballots Tuesday #night after officials discovered a glitch in the computers used #to tally votes. The machines would not read ballots carrying #straight-party ticket votes that also included at least one vote #for a candidate from another party, election officials said. # #The machines' supplier blamed the problem on how county officials #programmed the machines.
Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
This is interesting: an unsuccessful lawsuit can mean Gore wins! [snipped] http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/10/politics/10DATE.html # #Dec. 18, the day that presidential electors are to meet in 50 #state capitals and the District of Columbia, may produce a #political crisis if Florida's 25 votes are still in dispute. #But the crisis will not be constitutional, scholars say, for #the Constitution enables a president to be chosen even if a big #state like Florida does not vote. # #The Constitution requires only that a winning candidate have #the votes of "a majority of the whole number of electors #appointed." If Florida's votes are not resolved by then, or if #a legal restraining order bars Gov. Jeb Bush from filing a #certificate listing Florida's electors, then Mr. Gore has enough #votes from other states, if current vote totals stand and if #his electors keep their pledges, to reach a majority of the 513 #electors actually appointed. # #In either of those cases, or if either Mr. Gore or Mr. Bush gets #Florida's votes, the House of Representatives would have no role #in choosing a president, other than to participate in a Jan. #6 ceremonial counting of the votes in a joint session with the #Senate.
Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
And the lawsuit has been filed. http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB973731700780133282.htm # #November 9, 2000 # #Lawsuit to Recover Lost Gore Votes Overshadows the Recount in #Florida # #By GLENN R. SIMPSON, JACKIE CALMES and CHAD TERHUNE Staff #Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL # #Overshadowing a state ballot recount in the tightest presidential #election in memory, Democrats filed suit to help Al Gore recover #thousands of votes he may have lost because of a confusing ballot #in Palm Beach County. # #Democratic State Sen. Ron Klein and lawyer Jeffrey Liggio, #official observers in the Palm Beach County recount, said county #officials disqualified 19,120 presidential votes here on Tuesday #because voters selected more than one candidate. That is about #4.14% of total votes cast in the county for president, an #unusually high figure, says Mr. Klein. # #The figures were confirmed by Carol Roberts, a county commissioner #and a member of the Palm Beach County canvassing board. She added #in an interview that ballots were rejected in the Florida Senate #contest at a far lower rate -- 0.82%. # #Democrats said they believe most of the disqualified votes were #cast for Al Gore and Pat Buchanan by confused voters who intended #to pick Mr. Gore, but inadvertently selected both men because #of the proximity of their names on the paper ballot. If they #are correct, the problem may have cost Mr. Gore a clear margin #of victory here statewide and could boost calls to overturn the #Florida results, which favored George W. Bush by less than 2,000 #votes. # #Late Wednesday, a suit was filed in Palm Beach County circuit #court by three local Democrats to force a new vote in the county #because of the allegedly confusing ballots. # #"It's pretty clear this ballot defect has thwarted the will of #the people in that county in an amount that would appear to be #in excess of the current margin between Bush and Gore statewide #-- well in excess," said Democratic ballot lawyer Chris Sautter, #an adviser to the Gore campaign who isn't involved in the suit. # #The layout of the ballot was intended to make it easier for #seniors to read. "Obviously, it didn't work that way," said Mr. #Klein. # #Democrats are exploring the possibility that the ballot design #violates state standards. An official in the governor's office #disputed the idea, saying the standards only apply to ballots #counted manually. # #Reeve Bright, a lawyer for the Republican Party of Palm Beach #County, conceded the 19,000 disqualified votes occurred. But #that doesn't mean the tossed-out votes were all for Gore, he #stressed. He added that he didn't know whether the total was #an unusually high one. # #"They're just blowing smoke," he said of Democrats' concerns. #"Are they trying to say the voters are that incompetent, that #they can't read and follow directions?" # #Complaints of ballot confusion and the lawsuit came as state #officials were outlining the process by which all 67 Florida #counties would recount the ballots cast Tuesday and help determine #which candidate wins the state's 25 electoral votes. As of #Wednesday morning, George W. Bush led by about 1,800 votes of #the nearly six million cast. # #"What happens here will determine the next presidency of the #United States," said Florida Attorney General Bob Butterworth. # #Appearing with Mr. Butterworth was Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the #Republican candidate's brother. To avoid the appearance of a #conflict of interest, Jeb Bush said he won't serve on the #three-member state canvassing board that will meet to certify #final results after Florida counties complete their recount. # #State officials had set 5 p.m. Thursday as the deadline for the #recount, but the governor suggested a further wrinkle: An #estimated 3,000 ballots still arriving from Florida military #personnel abroad could further delay the outcome by as many as #10 days. # #Florida's electoral votes would give either Mr. Bush or Mr. Gore #the election. Without Florida, Mr. Gore leads narrowly in the #national popular vote, and he carried enough states to compile #260 electoral votes -- 10 shy of the 270 needed for an Electoral #College majority. Mr. Bush has 246 electoral votes. Besides #Florida, Oregon was also still too close to call Wednesday because #of delays in counting ballots in what was the state's first #mail-in presidential election. But Oregon's seven electoral votes #aren't enough to give either man the majority. # #Meanwhi
Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
Jim Burnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #I could stomach 'might be illegal', but illegal? Warren Christopher was just on TV, calling the ballot illegal. Let's leave it at that until a court decides. Spooky Cypherpunk Niggar Tim May Moroned: #And, of course, Palm County will _not_ be given a #second chance to vote in this election. I guarantee it. It's either that or the choice you liked even less. Protest crowds are growing. Bush can't take office when half the country thinks people were screwed out of their vote to have that happen. Not in America, buddy. And your hallucinatory Truck O' Dynamite will never change that. Declan, King of the Wired, wrote: #Amusing. But that's a suggested ballot, and not one #that's legally required. Which was my point. But the _directions_ were not "sample" directions. Florida is now saying it won't be until Nov 17th until they can certify the vote. Bush's lead is now only 359. Federal investigators are looking into U.S.P.O. funny business at one unnamed office.
Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # #However, FL 101.5609 is a much clearer point against #the "must be to the right" claims. # #101.5609(6): # Voting squares may be placed in front of or in back of the names # of candidates and statements of questions and shall be of such size as If you go by that text... Either "in front of", Or "in back of". It's a basic choice of one format or the other. Otherwise "And/Or" would have been used.
Re: Courts interfering with election
TimMay Moroned: #The polls are open for 13 hours, 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. #Claims that "working people" can't get to the #polls are ludicrous. No one on the list made that claim. You set up your own strawman, having nothing else. Hmmm, Florida is in an unknown state.
Re: Roots servers on rise - ICANN's golden egg cracking
#Last year alternate roots supported 0.3% of internet traffic. # #This year alternate roots are supporting 5.5% of internet traffic. # #The BIND study this year to date has ennumerated 60,513 dns (15% of #399,937 dns) of which 3,331 report they are using non-USG roots. Don't "alternate roots" have to have a copy of what the main root servers have? Then they are doing a favor by off-loading traffic. Separately, I've noticed something on my Solaris 8 box. I often freeze my Netscape browser windows when leaving the computer for a while. That's because FoxNews and NYT (for example) keep reloading themselves again and again. This is unwanted push traffic. It's not costing me anything over my DSL/Cable modems, it's just unwanted by me. Even with browsers frozen... I recently left 'snoop' running, and found I was initiating DNS traffic...to FoxNews and NYT. Looking closer, I had DNS queries regarding non-browser-accessed sites, like ftp. So, Solaris at least, is generating 100% unnecessary DNS traffic. Oh, Joy.
The FBI did naughty???
Found this in Usenet, dunno an URL. Check out paragraph two. FBI Agent Sues To Report Misconduct By Michael J. Sniffen Associated Press Writer Friday, Nov. 3, 2000; 5:56 p.m. EST WASHINGTON -- A 20-year veteran FBI agent went to court Friday seeking the right to report to President Clinton and key members of Congress what he considers serious and criminal misconduct by federal workers during a top secret, undercover national security operation. FBI Director Louis Freeh and Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder have denied agent Joseph G. Rogoskey permission to relay his allegations to Clinton, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and House and Senate committees that oversee the FBI. In a lawsuit against the FBI and Justice Department, Rogoskey said that as an undercover agent he "witnessed acts of serious misconduct and violation of federal law by employees of the federal government during the course of their employment." FBI spokesman Bill Carter said, "We understand all the allegations of government misconduct have long been appropriately addressed." Now on paid administrative leave, Rogoskey spent 12 years, 1987 through 1998, on top-secret, undercover operations involving some of the government's deepest secrets that are accessible only to specified people. Rogoskey is barred from telling his lawyer, Stephen Kohn, any details of the operation or the alleged misconduct. Kohn said he understands only that "it doesn't involve anyone stealing money. It involves what they were ordered and permitted by the government to do in this operation." Like the FBI, Holder advised Rogoskey by letter that he should report "whistle-blower-type allegations" to internal FBI investigators or Justice inspector general agents who "have the appropriate security clearances." But Kohn said, "Keeping whistle-blower allegations within the institution that authorized the misconduct does not serve the public interest and raises grave constitutional questions." Rogoskey first reported his allegations to his immediate supervisor in late 1997, "promptly upon observing them," Kohn said. "We don't know if the FBI has fixed the problem," Kohn said, because Rogoskey has been on leave since the summer of 1998. Since making the allegations, the FBI has retaliated against Rogoskey, the lawsuit said. The suit said this included an allegation of misconduct against Rogoskey, of which FBI investigators cleared him; efforts by superiors "to call into question his integrity"; and recently threatening to fire him for medical reasons if he fails a fitness for duty exam. The FBI's Carter responded: "Any internal disciplinary or other employment problems Mr. Rogoskey may have experienced are completely unrelated to providing the earlier allegations." Kohn said: "Fitness reviews are extremely intrusive. They include psychiatric exams, interviews with his wife and examination of his sex life." A fitness exam was ordered of another FBI whistle-blower client of Kohn's, Frederic Whitehurst, the FBI chemist whose allegations led to an inspector general's finding the FBI Laboratory engaged in sloppy science and gave biased testimony for the prosecution. "Even though Whitehurst was found fit, the FBI tried to discredit him with material from the fitness exam," Kohn said. Kohn said Rogoskey has applied for workman's compensation because two doctors concluded he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder caused by his work. "He has work-related injuries because they kept him undercover too long and from the retaliation," Kohn said. FBI officials have said that agents who spend long periods undercover can suffer tensions from maintaining dual personalities. In the lawsuit, Rogoskey asked the U.S. District Court here to decide whether he can transmit his allegations to Clinton, Albright and congressional oversight committees, to bar the government from retaliation and to process his workman's compensation claim instead of ordering a fitness review. Because of secrecy rules, Rogoskey submitted his allegations in a sealed envelope to the FBI's publication review clearance board in May 1999. The agent had no publisher, wasn't seeking compensation and did not intend to publish the material for the general public, but wanted permission to send it to the named officials, Kohn said. FBI attorney Lyn Brown "denied the permission the next day by phone and said the information in the envelope should have been transported by armed guard." Kohn said. Freeh and Holder later upheld that denial.
Re: Oh Gawd, Tim May...
#From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] #To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yo, Ding Dong, no need to send it to me twice. #I think I have a very good idea who you are. I should hope so, since I'm not anonymous. Ask Declan or Gilmore if you get stuck. #The cool thing is that you won't even #hear the crack of the rifle shot... No! I insist you terrorize me by shooting my legs first! POW Oh, I'm hit! Tim May has finally come to kill me! POW Oh, my other leg! I'll be dead soon! Terror!!! POW [redacted by Tim May]
Encryption export rules finalized
See: http://www.pscu.com/Newsbytes/2000/156920.html http://www.nandotimes.com/technology/story/body/0,1634,500270563-500421503-502621147-0,00.html
Word.
Of course all of us knew this. The article is good for explaining to non-technical friends. http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB972002214791170991.htm October 20, 2000 Electronic Form of 'Invisible Ink' Inside Files May Reveal Secrets By MICHAEL J. MCCARTHY Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ST. PAUL, Minn. -- For weeks this summer, Mike Ciresi's campaign staff was baffled by a strange series of e-mail messages slamming the U.S. Senate candidate. Sent to Minnesota Democratic Party officials, the messages were signed by a Katie Stevens. But after a failed attempt to track her down, Mr. Ciresi's staff began to suspect foul play. The first e-mail, which arrived in May, impugned the candidate's ethics and those of his Minneapolis law firm. It was accompanied by six pages of court cases, citations and footnotes. The attachments convinced Mr. Ciresi's staff that the e-mail was part of a well-funded "opposition research" effort. But two months and three negative e-mails later, his staff still had nothing to go on. Then in July, one tenacious Ciresi aide, playing a hunch, made a few mouse clicks and uncovered an intriguing clue: hidden text that seemed to link the e-mail to the campaign of the Republican incumbent. Tracking the Metadata It turns out there's more than meets the eye in the average word-processing document. A typical Microsoft Word file, for example, can include the author's name, the name of his or her company, the names of each person who has worked on the document and, depending on the options selected, deleted text and other revisions, all hidden from view, as if written in invisible ink. That's because Word, the dominant word-processing software, contains a lot of what Microsoft Corp. calls "metadata," information that doesn't appear on a user's screen simply because commands in the file tell computer monitors and printers to ignore it. But a savvy reader can peek at much of this behind-the-scenes fiddling by using widely available text-reader programs, such as Notepad, or by simply selecting the right word-processing options. Sometimes, depending on a computer's settings, Word revisions that weren't at all visible to the writer are obvious to the recipient. And when those documents get zapped through cyberspace as e-mail attachments, the inside information they contain can set the sender up for embarrassment or worse. 'Highlight Changes' One such e-mail snafu in Seattle sent both parties scrambling for fixes. In late 1998, Payne Consulting Group received an e-mail that included an attached contract prepared for it by its law firm, Davis Wright Tremaine. By clicking on the "highlight changes" option, Payne and the law firm say, Payne could clearly see revisions that revealed the contract had originally been drafted for another Davis Wright client. The law firm quickly devised security procedures for removing hidden text from its files. Payne, meanwhile, developed a free program called Metadata Assistant to purge any unseen, unwanted information from documents. The program can be downloaded from the firm's Web site, www.payneconsulting (www.payneconsulting.com). One reason Payne doesn't charge for it: "We can't guarantee everything is stripped out," says Robert Affleck, vice president of development. "The big concern is that people are sending around things they don't know they're sending around," says Steve McDonald, associate legal counsel at Ohio State University, who teaches a class in cyberspace law. Microsoft has "gotten few customer complaints" about the problem, says Lisa Gurry, a product manager for Microsoft Office. But she adds that those will be addressed in late spring in the next version of Microsoft Office, which will include a "privacy option" to allow a Word document's author to "remove all personal information with the click of one button and be warned if you're saving tracked changes and comments." For now, Microsoft offers a nine-page article through its Web site on "How to Minimize Metadata in Microsoft Word Documents." It was this kind of data that gave Ciresi campaign aides the first break in their investigation of the e-mails plaguing their candidate. The first in the series, titled "Who Is Michael Ciresi?", arrived May 19. It described the clients of law firm Robins, Kaplan, Miller Ciresi as "a rogues' gallery of polluters, price fixers, tortfeasors, predators, civil-rights violators and frauds." A second searing e-mail arrived just before Minnesota Democrats convened in early June to endorse a candidate in the state's senatorial race. A third followed. Then, a fourth. "I was getting so frustrated trying to figure out where these came from," recalls Mark Hinds, the campaign's deputy field director. But as he sat thinking at his desk in the Democratic Party's offices here in early July, a light bulb clicked on. Mr. Hinds suddenly recalled how at a previous job he used to sort Word
New penalties to silence whistle blowers
http://foxnews.com/national/101300/leaks.sml Congress Increases Penalty for Classified Leaks Friday, October 13, 2000 An intelligence bill passed by Congress could stifle the ability of whistle-blowers and the media to get information to the public by expanding criminal penalties for government employees leaking secrets. [snip]
Reno shocked!
Janet Reno said she only just learned that Wen Ho Lee was kept in a cell for nine months IN CHAINS. Of course, she didn't think that had anything to do with him pleading guilty to one item of downloading data. Or that there was anything wrong with doing it. She recovers from shock quickly. Like Kronos.
Re: Amex supports CARNIVORE enabled Anonymity System
A Yahoo wrote: %What a load of shit. If you check that URL the next %thing you see the following release: % %http://www.privada.net/news/releases/2717.html %# %#Privada's Technology Protects Users' Privacy, Only %#Monitors Those Who Abuse It %#[snip] % %Obviously AMEX Privada don't have a clue as to the %history of privacy and privacy tools... % %What about civil john doe complaints? %What about Church of $cientology and Penet.fi? %What about the entire key escrow debate? %What about the entire clipper debate? % %If anyone really things that 'identity escrow' enabled %privacy products are what the market is looking for, %they are seriously clueless. % %This is obviously snake oil. No, the emphasis is on what consumers in general want. And it delivers. Those wishing to push the edge of free speech aren't going to be satisfied, but the new services meet the needs of regular consumers/people accessing the Internet. That market dwarfs what ZKS/Anonymizer will ever get. Even the Anonymizer shut down its free version due to abuse. And Yahoo has cooperated with civil subpeonas regarding stock touting / company disparagement. Yet you use it. It's free and does what you need. AmEx is offering their services for free for cardholders. ZKS isn't exactly mixmaster WWW surfing, at some point there will be traceability, given the necessary court order. Albeit ZKS seems to be the best at what it does. Too bad the cardholders aren't setting up for you to choose your privacy provider, like cable is being pressured to allow choice of ISP.
Re: USA.net proxy: heh-heh-heh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.netaddress.com/tpl/Info/Popup?hidden___url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2F Continue clicking, and it's still via USA.net. Sunderizer wrote: #It's *NOT* anonymizing anything. DO NOT USE THIS IN PLACE OF AN ANONIMIZER!!! # #So while, yes, it does spy on what urls you visit,... #so it offers no protection!!! Gee, that goes without saying. Well, it should have. #All it does is log where you're going. It doesn't actually proxy anything. If the systems you connect to don't get your IP, it's a proxy. All of AOL is a proxy. #Should you hover your mouse over the links in Amazon you won't see the #netaddress.com url pop up. You'll see Amazon urls. [checking...] You're right. It's not proxying. It's just got a fixed first frame going through netaddress which keeps the netaddress.net URL in the URLbar. The other frames are direct connects. I was distracted by an Anna Kournikova commercial, okay? Still, the original complaint stands.
USA.net proxy: heh-heh-heh
Previously I whined that USA.net was changing the URLs in received email to proxy through their server, meaning they had logs of all URLs you visited when clicking on hyperlinks while reading your personal email. That this violates their own privacy policy. For some reason Declan failed to report it. ;-) Analog film chemicals must be affecting his judgement. New note: if you bookmark the URL in the personal email someone sent you, it bookmarks it at the USA.net address. Here is the resulting URL in the new window USA.net opens when you click on an URL in your email: http://www.netaddress.com/tpl/Info/Popup?hidden___url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2F I just tried scooping it and using it directly, trying amazon here. It worked. Anyone have direct access to their own server logs? What cookies/referrals/misc is logged on the receiving system? Continue clicking, and it's still via USA.net. It looks like a free "anonymizer" to me.
Re: USA.net proxy: heh-heh-heh
I wrote: Previously I whined that USA.net was changing the URLs A. Melon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #Who cares ? Stop whining and use encryption. # #Dont waste the bandwidth complaining about each and every sheeple #xploiting event. Being outraged doesnt achieve shit. Hey numbnuts: o the email isn't local to my system o I don't complain about every little thing, you do o being outraged is a good first step towards achieving shit o you wasted bandwidth You're just another luser. You're on the right list. IBM nutter Choate is here.
Free membership request
Yo hackers! We are going to see some free hardcore movie or what? __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
USA.Net privacy violations
[ to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] I was reading my email via USA.Net, and was very disturbed to find that when I clicked on a link in an email I was sent...that you recorded my activity! I clicked on this link (within email sent to me): http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/drugspeech I clicked using button-2 (under Unix) to open a new window at that URL. The new window had this URL-bar: http://www.netaddress.com/tpl/Info/Popup?hidden___url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.free-market.net%2Fspotlight%2Fdrugspeech%2F That means you have recorded my activity! The "drug speech" article was relayed through *your* computers, not mine. I don't appreciate this. It is none of your business where I visit on the Net. There is no reason for you to record this information. Please change your coding so this doesn't happen. It's taking the "this site is not a part of USA.Net" schtick too far. Stay out of my email. You modified the link someone sent me. This violates your own privacy policy.
Big Bomb info
TM: #Careful! Next you'll be telling the bombz kiddies how to make #hydrogen cyanide gas with just their mother's nonstick frying pan and #other simple kitchen products. # #Then Agent Gordon will be able to report to Senators Feinstein and #Kelley that the Evil Cypherpunks are training terrorists and #assassins. And for naming specific people who should be killed. For info on a 2,300 tons of ammonium nitrate fertilizer explosion: http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/metropolitan/txcity/devastation.html http://www.cnn.com/US/9704/16/texas.city/index.html http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/041797/remember.htm Next time someone wants bomb info...
Major remailer down?
# Newsgroups: altnet.general # On 1 Jun 2000 22:26:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]© (wildman©) wrote: # # I check alt.anonymous.messages everyday for messages sent to me from various # acquaintances, and there are only 31 new posts showing for June 1 so far. # Normally, there are between 350 and 500 a day! I checked both Altopia and # Newscene, and with 3 different newsreaders; results all the same. # I wonder what is going on? That is extremely strange. It has been years since # daily posts there have been so low. Are all the nym servers down, at the same # time? # Anybody else notice this??? # # nym.alias.net is down. That might account for most of the shortage.
Avoiding SPAM to cypherpunks list
Jim KAOS wrote: #Without effecting the backbone or implimenting some sort of regular #communications channel between operators (both against the intial charter) #then all the current proposals are simply bogus. Wow, you're all-around incompetent. #If the basic backbone is altered from its current status then the spammers #and those opposed to the Cypherpunk credo (and democratic thought as well) #will have won. It is a an overt admission that speech must be moderated #and that poeple in general, and technology in particular, has no solution. # #It means that we as Cypherpunks have failed. If you want to quit and let #these scum rule your life so be it. Those who give up freedom for #security deserve neither. Did you write the speeches in the movie 'Dune'? #Individuals need to quit thinking in a herd mentatility and take a stand #for their own beliefs and desires. Brian to crowd: "YOU ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS". Crowd to Brian: "WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS". #This means taking individual action, not asking some 3rd party to step #in and take care of it for you (how un-cypherpunks that is is obvious). #That some of the 'founders' of the cypherpunks movement are promulgating #such trash is truly revealing of their base character. # #Individual, people need to start filtering their email. It takes a lot(!) #less time and effort to set up indvidual filtering than all the bitching #and energy that gets expended on this socialist clap-trap. People don't #have the time and energy to filter the mail but they expect others to, and #to do it to their satisfaction to boot. What a bunch of lazy dipshits. Do #your own dirty work. This also goes for those (Tim, Declan, etc.) who #would rather change the entire system (and dictating others actions, #rather un-cypherpunk that) instead of acting on their own purported #beliefs and opening a simple remailer that filters according to whatever #regex you desire. How lazy and hypocritical. No, it's not. You're the lazy one who can't bother to read his own majordomo email. I had to send email to the list before you woke up and fixed things. When I'm done with my current Usenet project, I'll volunteer to soup up a majordomo setup to allow each subscriber: o no filtering whatsoever (default) o filtering of non-subscribers, except strong anonymizers o filtering of subscribers And support for email requests of majordomo yielding: o #of subscribers o #of people filtering you o last 30 messages received, unfiltered, one messageball Built-in support (and choice) at the list level is the way to go.
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Re: Crypto victory is at hand - what next?
Tim May wrote: #At 4:20 PM -0800 1/30/17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # #You mean someone besides Tim May buried gold in the ground #in preparation for the breakdown of civilization? # # #* P L O N K * Was it something I said, or something you did? You did post that you did exactly that...how touchy. Perhaps the wife has been giving you the business ever since. ;-) You'll never hear the end of it from her! GO You forgot to quote the associated winking smiley.
Re: State of New Mexico legal system
#Let's hope the New Mexico state legal system #is more honest than the federal system. # #I guess we'll see. # #http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/ #http://nmol.com/users/billp/ #http://members.tripod.com/bill_3_2/ I would say that fails miserably Tim May's simple request to describe the documents you want us to view. GO Left unviewed.
Re: Crypto victory is at hand - what next?
Anonypus wrote: # #Wired reports at #http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,34376,00.html: # # ARLINGTON, Virginia -- Trade Representative Charlene Barshefsky pressed # China Wednesday to abandon its restrictions on encryption technology, # which curb sales of everything from software to mobile phones. # # She said her U.S. negotiators have repeatedly pressed China authorities # to reform these rules and also dismissed Chinese efforts to restrict # information over the Internet as futile. The U.S. is a hypocrite, plain and simple. Anonypus wrote: # #Folks, the crypto war is being won, slowly but surely. For years #doomsayers have predicted the eventual criminalization of crypto usage. #But the actual trends have consistently been in the opposite direction. In today's Wired, Declan reports: # #Repeating a long-standing theme, Freeh said #data-scrambling encryption products posed a #real danger to police, who needed access to #descrambled documents or communications. What does that sound like to you? Also in today's Wired: # #Britain is likely to become #the first country in the world to make #imprisonment a possible consequence of refusing #to surrender, or even losing, one's private #encryption keys. Let's define a solution for the latter. Extra unused keys, files which you lost the encryption key to...yielding plausible denyability. This design stated in a README file in directories holding encrypted material, along with some sort of comment on doing it at all. Anonypus wrote: # #The cypherpunk movement has been tainted for too #many years by naysayers and downright nutcases whose #paranoid conspiracy fantasies have twisted their view #of reality. You mean someone besides Tim May buried gold in the ground in preparation for the breakdown of civilization? GO ;-)
