Re: Lee Free - Judge Apologizes For Government's Conduct
At 2:06 PM -0700 9/13/00, Eric Cordian wrote: http://www.newsday.com/ap/national/ap254.htm ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) -- After nine months in solitary confinement, Wen Ho Lee pleaded guilty Wednesday to a single count of mishandling nuclear secrets and was set free by an apologetic judge who said the government's actions ''embarrassed our entire nation.'' ... ''I sincerely apologize to you, Dr. Lee, for the unfair manner in which you were held in custody by the executive branch,'' Parker said. Parker said the Departments of Justice and Energy ''have embarrassed our entire nation and each of us who is a citizen of it.'' Lee spent 9 months in solitary confinement and lost significant salary and retirement benefits. This makes it a moral requirement that former Defense Secretary William Perry face a similar period of confinement and similar loss of benefits. Perry has acknowledged downloading top secrets to his home computer and leaving codeword material where his family, housekeepers, and other visitors could have found and copied it. There are a couple of cases of other DOD folks in the same straits. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. --Tim May -- -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
Jodi Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I knew there was a reason I printed out NAMBLA's website throughout the years. So you can lie about what's in it cleverly enough not to get caught? You *are* the same Jodi Hoffman who claims Sex Education is Satan's Doorway to our Childrens' Innocence, aren't you. The world's most prolific frivilous lawsuit filer and nuisance to public educators everywhere? Maybe you really are a member of NAMBLA. It certainly sounds like it. Right, lady. Everyone who doesn't buy into the Sex Abuse Agenda as presented by their local contingent of Religious Fanatics or Lying Feminists Cunts is a NAMBLA member. You're one of those fine people whose agenda it is to intimidate their opponents into silence, and then lie about what it is they would have said, had they been permitted to speak. I wonder if you would tell the parents to their face how important you think it is to preserve the information put out by the people who helped cause their son to be murdered, rather than doing something to help prevent it from happening again. NAMBLA's rather boring text-only web site, containing comments by noted educators, scientists, humanitarians, and artists on the topic of transgenerational male homosexuality, moral panic, youth rights, and extreme sex laws, is hardly, as the Curley family has alleged, a magical resource which changes heterosexuals into pedophiles, and mild-mannered Milquetoasts into murderers. Any more than your web site changes atheists into God-Soaked anti-Sexual Freaks like yourself. Go beat your "childrens' victimization" drum elsewhere. This is a cryptography and civil liberties list. Start your own Fascistpunks list if you want a forum to spew. As for the credentials of Robert Curley, who is *USING* his own son's murder as a platform to attack causes the religious and political right wing wants to damage, he is the only one of 2,000 city employees to be allowed to "opt out" of four hours of mandatory "diversity training," because it would have forced him to "mouth beliefs he didn't espouse." He also called the course, which attempts to prevent discrimination in the workplace based on gender, sexual orientation, and race, "feel-good crap." Like most death-penalty promoting defenders of the Christian Coalition who try to undermine civil liberties while misdirecting the public with talk of "child protection" and "pedophile activity," Curley sees an opening to present the agenda of himself and his associate whores for Jesus cloaked in words no politician dares oppose without committing political suicide. It would be unwise to let him succeed. That having been said, I don't think freedom of speech is going to sink or swim based on whether the NAMBLA web site is mirrored in numerous locations. Their lawyers may very well have advised them not to put it back up or encourage others to host it pending the resolution of their legal tangles. All perspectives on all varieties of human sexuality are available at a mouse click anyway, in the age of the Internet, and are so widely distributed geographically that censorship is impossible. In that sense, part of NAMBLA's original mission has passed it by, as it is no longer necessary to distribute opposing points of view on anything in brown paper envelopes via snail mail. If NAMBLA wants it mirrored, mirror it. If they don't, print it out and epoxy it to the side of Jodi Hoffman's barn as an example to other censorous cows. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
Re: Lee Free - Judge Apologizes For Government's Conduct
Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why, then, did he find Lee guilty of a felony? He could have dismissed the charges, eh? He was bound by the terms of the plea agreement, without which the DOJ and DOE would have continued to give Dr. Lee the broom handle/asshole treatment. Politics is the art of compromise. The government also has language in the plea agreement which prevents them from being held accountable for any of their behavior in the case. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
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Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: Jodi wrote (with the help of the GOP): Oh, please! Anal sex with an eight year old child! Is not violent? What about two 8 year olds giving it to each other up the wazoo. Would you consider that violent? Should we send those kids to jail - or maybe execute the parents? Up in my village the kids start young. We had a vibrant community - but all the jobs have gone and what we have left are kids as young as 8 shooting themselves up with heroin. The average age they start is at 10 to 14 and most of them make their money off the sex trade. Their collective goal seems oriented at getting high and staying high. All sex means to them is a means to an end. Even money is of little significance, the main goal is getting and staying high. Now, the one thing that really makes me sick to my stomach is the constant jibberish I hear from people who constantly harp on about saving the pretty little children - meanwhile I have heroin addicts as young as 8 banging each other in the park just down the street. For all the allegator tears I see here and elsewhere - I never see anything of value result from it. Could you save the 8 years olds who are banging each other in my park? I have no idea what they need - i'll be frank with you there - but they need a new life, what they have now is shit. I've noticed people will spend more time trying to silence groups like namble instead of solving the root problem. Kids these days are in serious trouble. People like those in namble are only taking advantage of a preexiting situation. In my town kids are easy to get into bed if you have the right qualifications. And unfortunately those qualifications are not very high. Most of these kids are from families who lost their lively hood when the jobs flew. If you can keep them high - you qualify. A good example is in fact found in our town. I call him the "morphine nipple". He's an old crippled man, dying of cancer, and as drunk as a skunk. You can always find an assortment of boys and girls hanging around his place. And the kids goals are basically - how much morphine can we squeeze out of the morphine nipple. So the boys drop their drawers and expose their dinkys and the girls expose their twinkies and the ol morphine nipple gets milked. Kid's these days are pigs and any fault to be found I suggest is with their parents. Forget the whole concept of childhood - that's a fiction long gone. Based on my experience I think I'm the last person on this planet who actually had a great childhood - and I was innocent too. That's rare these days. And in my opinion an unfortunate observation and my advantage. regards Joe Baptista http://www.dot.god/ http://www.dot-god.com/ dot.GOD Hostmaster
Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
At 12:57 AM 9/14/00 -0400, Jodi Hoffman wrote: You are wrong to protect them without knowing what they're about, Jay. Their motto is, "Sex before eight, or it's too late." They are referring to grown men having sex with an under-eight year old little boy. Surely you don't mean to suggest that a website promoting intercourse with a little boy should be protected speech, do you? Ohio vs. Brandenburg. Get it through your skull. Advocacy of criminal acts is protected speech. Period. It doesn't matter how vile the concept is. One of the cornerstones of a free society is that the laws reflect the will of the people -- within certain limits -- and that ANYONE, no matter how radical or depraved, is free to try to convince the people of the rightness of his views. Whether these views advocate banning abortions, reinstating slavery, exterminating Jews, or killing baby seals is *irrelevent*. He is free to discuss them and, if anyone should offer violence against him for the content of his ideas, the State is morally obliged to protect him and punish the offender, no matter how much the ideas offend, shock, or disturb. There is no room for compromise on this. None at all. Freedom of speech is for EVERYONE, for EVERY idea, or else it is meaningless. I cannot speak for Jay, but lest there be any doubt of *my* stance, I believe a site advocating the bloody ritual murder of 1 day old infants in disgustingly gruesome fashion, coupled with vile and perverse sexual acts involving corpses, sheep, and watermelons, while giving heroin to 3 year old girls, is protected speech -- so long as the site does not cross from advocacy to incitement. Anyone *committing* such acts deserves a quick trip to "Old Sparky", but that does not limit the right to TALK about such acts at all. Hell, Jodi, I even think YOUR site is protected speech.
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Re: censorship rears its head
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Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
Jodi wrote Don't sacrifice my child on the altar of the First Amendment, Liz. OK, I'll bite, which altar do you want your child sacrificing on?
