Re: US: Post Election Protests

[grarpamp]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 6:47 AM, John Newman  wrote:
> Violence ended slavery in the South.

It primarily ended declared voluntary secession (triggered by
threat of unpalatable legislation, from a contract that had no
penalty on exit terms) and its subsequent process of expelling
the thenforth foreign government from the South... of course
ensuring continuing revenues and access to resources,
production, infrastructure, sheeple, etc at cost.
By that time ending slavery came for the ride as required moral
bonus were they to retain the South (along with all the other
issues), and as strategic move to destabilize related slave trade
value to the South, and raise internal question / revolt in the South,
during the war.
Something like that.

Similarly, if California declares secession nullifying
the former federal presence, it won't be to end gay sex,
abortion, and weed that the East goes to war over... though
for some select demographics in the East that might be a
wished for bonus.

Of course the East might skip that bloody battle knowing
that it has a Trump up its sleeve who will negotiate the best
trade deals favoring the East with its new Western trade partner.

> Violence created the so called "land of the free" =)

Sad. Apparently there's some new free land and resources
being created in Syria by a few outside competitors.
Only a few uncooperative Indians there, but they don't
have any rights in competitors system so it's ok right.

> Sometimes it's the solution.

These 'protesters' have plenty of non violent options left.
Instead of thuggery upon those who have not laid fist to
them first (which only spawns mass turnout against them)
they should be out organizing a political response of their own.
Such as how they're going to vote, censure, recall, impeach or
otherwise get Trump out if he really starts fucking things up.

Re: US: Post Election Protests

[grarpamp]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Me  wrote:
> It is never the solution when it is funded and organized by George Soros.

You mean the same Soros this douchebag drops clues on starting
at 00:02:50?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AcbcEOaqh0
'#GOPHandsOffMe"

Even if filled with junk, this video is exemplary for lack physical
violence... a fine ardent and healthy debate. Lol.

Re: US: Post Election Protests

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:16:16PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 12:56:01AM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 2:13 PM, jim bell  wrote:
> > > "Chaos" is not identical to "change".  Nevertheless, "Chaos" is a state in
> > > which there is very low resistance to change.
> > 
> > Speaking of chaos...
> > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=trump+election+protests
> > 
> > Seems to be a first for any US election.
> > Wonder who's behind it
> 
> Couldn't be Soros - who would ever believe that?
> 
> Besides, nothing quite like "tolerant" leftists protesting violently
> ...

http://theduran.com/george-soros-begins-color-revolution-america-moveon-activists-march-trump/

http://theduran.com/obamas-silence-undermines-law-order-democracy/



(
http://theduran.com/activitsts-on-twitter-and-reddit-are-asking-donald-trump-to-pardon-julian-assange/
https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-pardon-julian-assange

http://theduran.com/personal-letter-donald-j-trump/

http://theduran.com/amy-schumer-calls-trump-voters-weak-and-misinformed-but-she-has-decided-to-stay-in-us/

http://theduran.com/5-countries-hillary-clinton-supporters-should-move-to/

http://theduran.com/russia-america-globalist-commentariat-disgusting-defeat/

http://theduran.com/autonomous-clinton-oblast-refuge-trumpland/
http://www.westernjournalism.com/wikileaks-bombshell-clinton-camp-may-have-ties-to-the-occult/
)

Re: US: Post Election Protests

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:16:16PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 12:56:01AM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 2:13 PM, jim bell  wrote:
> > > "Chaos" is not identical to "change".  Nevertheless, "Chaos" is a state in
> > > which there is very low resistance to change.
> > 
> > Speaking of chaos...
> > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=trump+election+protests
> > 
> > Seems to be a first for any US election.
> > Wonder who's behind it
> 
> Couldn't be Soros - who would ever believe that?
> 
> Besides, nothing quite like "tolerant" leftists protesting violently
> ...

Ouch
http://theduran.com/shocking-california-high-school-girl-is-brutally-beaten-for-liking-donald-trump-caught-on-video/

Re: US: Post Election Protests

[jim bell]

 From: juan 

>>  Entirely unaware of their specific work (but, as I vaguely recall,
>> aware of this general concept; I'd probably heard of it, indirectly,
>> from a third person whose identity I don't recall), I thought of the
>> "Hundreds, or thousands, or millions of 'Person A's', make anonymous
>> contributions to a general offer to potentially any 'Person B' to
>> reward him for 'predicting' the date of death of 'Person C'. Are
>> these two models alike?  Kinda-sorta, I suppose.

 >   Well, the part about a date for a predicted 'accident' or event
 >  is more original I think (though I certainly haven't researched
 >   it thoroughly), however the bit about something being funded by
 >   many people seems more like the standard working of markets and
 >   so is rather old?
Hey, I didn't claim to have invented the entire concept of markets!   
Anyway, in 1995 the terms "crowdsourced" and "crowdfunded" didn't exist.  
AP could be described today quite simply as "crowdfunded assassinations".  


>> But I think they
>> would be enormously different in effect, for many reasons I need not
>> go into here.  If 'Assassination Markets' were limited to the former
>> model, very few people would be hated, enough, by only one person to
>> obtain a donation sufficient to buy a death.  In the latter model, a
>> few million 25-cent donations would get rid of nearly all potential
>> targets. I suggest that I did indeed advance the rhetorical
>> state-of-the-world.

>    I think Steve's point about high value targets being hard to
 >   attack is valid. But on the other hand what would happen if
>    'law enforcement' 'agents' were targeted? The price to get rid
>    of lowly anonymous cops would be a lot smaller. Working as a cop
>    would stop being appealing. And with no state 'law'
>    'enforcement' there are no state's 'laws' and ultimately no
>    state.
I don't disagree that "high value" targets would be more difficult.  But not 
that much.  And if they are indeed "high-value", that implies that large 
numbers of people would be ready and willing to donate to see them gone.  And 
the fact that the AP bounty can be collected by ANYONE makes it hard to defend 
against.  Even a person's bodyguards (and especially them!) would be able to 
stage an attack, and collect the reward.
 

>> Rather, my
>> intent was to show that the kind of tools necessary to implement AP
>> are being considered and produced.  Just "the kind of tools", not
>> necessarily the tools themselves.  TOR should be made stronger, with
>> more hops, more exit nodes, and more transfer nodes, filler traffic,
>> for some examples of improvements. 

>    Tor is a brand of the tor corporation which in turn means the
>    pentagon. It's pretty much a dead end (and that's the way its
>    owners intend it to be, obviously)
And that's a real shame.  It's still useable, within its limitations.

  

> Bitcoin needs an upgrade, for
> example to Zerocoin, to provide true anonymity, rather than mere
> pseudonymity.  

    Yes...

    (rest of your message is a reply to Steve so I won't comment)



> 
> > The betting pool itself would alert

> No, it would not.  Unlike the Federal Government's short-lived
> proposal in 2003, PAM "Policy Analysis Markets", (FutureMAP),
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_Analysis_Market   in which the
> state of the betting itself alerts people to threats, a well-designed
> AP system would carefully avoid alerting the public (or anyone) to
> bets, ideally until later, after the event predicted had materialized
> or failed to materialize.  The 'money' for the bet might be inside an
> encryption envelope, without the name of the target or date.  Another
> encryption envelope, inside the first one, could contain the target
> and date information.  The AP organization could decrypt the first
> (outer) envelope, and be unable to decrypt the inner one, at least
> until the password is sent in by the predictor. The AP organization
> would, however, publish the decrypted contents of the outer envelope,
> so that everyone would know that a prediction with $X of value came
> in on a specific date and time. Nobody, except the predictor, would
> know the identity or date.  Eventually, the inner password would be
> sent in, used to decrypt the inner envelope, with the results
> published online.  If the AP organization cheats, by  failing to
> perform one of these steps, the predictor could publish the inner
> prediction key himself, disclosing to the public that the
> long-since-published content of the outer encryption envelope was a
> valid prediction, and for some reason (fraud?) the AP organization
> did not play fair.   That would destroy the credibility of that
> specific AP organization; others would soon take its place.
> 
> > potential targets to take proportional defensive measures, which "at
> > best" would inhibit the social progress promoted by the system.
> The system would adapt.  Consider Le Chatlier's
> Principle.  h

Re: Trump Postmortem: Why He Won

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Nov 10, 2016 10:48 PM, "John Newman"  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:54:58AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:



> >
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/michael-moores-message-butthurt-dems-bs-trump-projected-win-popular-vote/ri17517
> >
> > - End forwarded message -
>
> Not that I give a shit, but the very CNN link russia-insider.com links to
has clinton winning the popular vote by about 0.3%...
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/president
>
> In WHO GIVES A FUCKS -face- :P

=

God, is he still sending "Russia Insider" links and childish messages in
your/someone's face style to the list?  My trash must be full of messages
now, almost exploding, uff...  Poor trash!  :(

Sorry, but if Trump is the answer, it must be a pretty stupid question.  :-/

The jokes are being great  (
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/797058456285024256),  but I am pretty
worried and think exactly what Keith Hart commented on  list:

"Yet, the world and especially the US will become a much more dangerous
place. I can't bear to think what kind of world my 14-year-old daughter
will become an adult in. To be Black, Latino, Muslim or even a woman in
America will be a lot worse -- the first signs of this came within hours of
Trump being elected."

I am just mentioning the email instead forward it, because the thread
("What is the meaning of Trump's victory?")  and respective messages are
being very interesting and long.  This message touched me a lot because he
is worried about his daughter's future, but Keith Sanborn's message
effectively made me cry because I know in a very intimate way this kind of
fear.  This kind of fear teached me how to use blades and chemicals much
better.  Violence always attracts violence and Trump was very brutal in his
discourses.

"One of my female students had this experience, the day after Trump was
elected. She was walking down the street around 14th street, on the West
side in New York. A man approached her and said: “Now I can grab your pussy
any time I want.” She is afraid to go outside. This isn’t the friend, or
the friend of a friend, or an ubran myth, but from the mouth of the person
who experienced it first hand."

The link to the archives is <
https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-1611/threads.html>

Hope a revolution happens in USA, but with no violence, no deaths, no civil
war.  Now, yes, I think it's very adequate to wish God bless and protect
USA's people.

OK, I admit I don't know if God(s) exist(s) or not, but wish good things is
always good.  Good vibes, good energy.  About Jesus, I don't know if he is
just a legend like Saint George, but he teached me a lot.  He inspired me
to pretend being dead for some days to get a break after stressing and
traumatic facts, hihi...  ;)

Well, in doubt, hope God/Godess/Gods/Godesses/Darwin and their respective
team  (angels, saints, prophets, deities, etc)  bless and protect the whole
world!  <3

-  c.

PS very OT, but Trump loves pussies!  :P

As expected, the most beautiful pussy of the whole world is Brazilian,
hihi...  Meow!  ;)

http://www.kkoe.net/en/worldshow/winners.html

Re: US: Post Election Protests

[jim bell]

 From: Steve Kinney On 11/10/2016 01:17 PM, jim bell wrote:

> Governments killed an estimated 240 million people in the 20th
> century. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide , although this
> article does not cite the figure 240 million; I recall the figure
> from elsewhere.)
> 
> If you consider that to have been an unacceptable number, then I
> think you need to try to explain away any system that claims that
> it has the "horsepower" to stop such slaughter.    If anything, the
> only criticisms I have heard of AP is that it would be TOO
> effective, not that it would not be powerful enough to get rid of
> the governments that kill.  (And, ultimately, ALL governments.)

>As with most elegant solutions to real world problems, the sticking
>point with AP is implementation.  It requires anonymous payment
>protocols that are themselves "bullet proof", and would have to
>weather counter-attacks by a ruling class whose financial resources
>and ability to affect major infrastructure changes are astronomically
>higher than common sense would suggest.
Yes, but consider AP Part 10, which at the time I wrote as an afterthought. The 
AP organization wouldn't really need to be 'secret'.  It could be quite open 
about what it does.  Any arguable illegality is carefully compartmentalized, 
done by anonymous people, self-motivated, who act to win anonymous rewards.  
 And, of course, I learned far more US Federal law while in prison.  AP could 
be described as an insurance market, albeit one where the named person him or 
herself isn't the purchaser or beneficiary of  the 'insurance policy'.  Or, it 
could be described as a gambling market.Also keep in mind that the mere going 
through the motions of formation of an AP organization would spur a wrenching 
public debate:  Once people became generally aware that society is only an 
AP-organization away from throwing off oppressors, and eliminating all 
militaries, that alone might be sufficient to cause a great reformation of the 
society.

>  Bounties for killing the
>operators of an AP system, offered through more old fashioned means,
>would be extraordinarily high - requiring bullet proof anonymity in
>the presence of uber-motivated adversaries with global network
>surveillance capabilities.  The betting pool itself would alert
>potential targets to take proportional defensive measures, which "at
>best" would inhibit the social progress promoted by the system.
"Extraordinarily high" bounties would merely mean that more people would have 
to help fund them, not that they are unfundable.  And I think the reality is, 
once it began functioning, the world would quiet down very quickly.  Aggressors 
would not be able to continue to aggress.  Even seemingly well-protected people 
wouldn't be able to act in the way they were used to, because such people 
usually act through others, and those others could themselves be named as 
targets.
          Jim Bell


   

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Razer]

This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence
all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham radio operator
who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's
literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing down of the
history of the internet.


On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:
>>
>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:
>>
>>
>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
>>
>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know?
>> It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine. One person
>> inventing the WWW... ROTF!
>>
>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW".
>>
>> Rr
>
> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals
> inventing or co-inventing specific components of the Internet and
> protocols on it.  TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and
> well-known specific sense.  Most of us have read all about it and a
> few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, telnet,
> and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages.  Vint Cerf co-invented TCP/IP,
> commonly summarized as "invented the Internet".  I don't know of
> anyone else who is said to have "invented the World Wide Web".  There
> were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked shared
> information, like Ted Nelson.
>
> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/
>
> sdw
>

Progressive-liberal Fascism Rears It's Ugly Head In The "Sharing Economy"

[Razer]

GrubHub would be considered 'sharing economy'

He "promised to “fight for [the] dignity” of any employee who feels
scared or threatened.

Then threatened them...

>From McClatchy newspapers:

> The CEO of Grubhub, a food delivery service, sent an email to more
> than 1,000 employees Wednesday, sharply criticizing President-elect
> Donald Trump and concluding by saying that if any worker agreed with
> Trump’s rhetoric, they should resign, according to BuzzFeed News.
>
> Matt Maloney has been an active supporter of Democrat Hillary Clinton
> and fierce critic of Trump throughout the presidential campaign. After
> Trump’s surprising win Tuesday, Maloney said in his email (included
> below) he was, like many Clinton voters, still struggling to come to
> terms with the fact that the highly controversial Republican would be
> the next president.
>
> [...]
>
> With reports pouring in from across the country of women and
> minorities suffering harassment and verbal and physical assault from
> Trump supporters, Maloney also promised to “fight for [the] dignity”
> of any employee who feels scared or threatened.
>
> But the paragraph of the email which has drawn the most scrutiny and
> criticism came at the very end, as Maloney wrote that if any employees
> disagreed with him, “then please reply to this email with your
> resignation because you have no place here. We do not tolerate hateful
> attitudes on our team.”
>
> Trump supporters have attacked Maloney’s statement as a violation of
> federal labor laws that prohibit discrimination based on political
> affiliation.
>

In Full:
http://www.bradenton.com/news/politics-government/election/article114065183.html

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Stephen D. Williams]

VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented.  Of 
course there were previous tries at solving networking
problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no longer use any 
of them.  Similarly, every patent depends on the
existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a significant leap forward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor 
>  at
> Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted research on packet 
> network interconnection protocols and co-designed the
> DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.

TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that 
needed to be solved to build a working Internet.  It is
amazing that very few changes were made since the first released version.  We 
all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented the
Internet."  We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything 
else with an elegant solution.

"Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything 
significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.

You're ideology is strange and not very useful.

We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and related 
advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't value and
appreciate those who did.  It could have been much worse in many ways.  We 
could be paying packet charges to national telecoms with
only centralized "security", for instance.  We are very very lucky, and not in 
an anthropic principle way.

sdw

On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>
> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all 
> sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham
> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>
> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's 
> literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing down
> of the history of the internet.
>
>
> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:
>>>
>>>
 Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
>>>
>>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? It's 
>>> about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine.
>>> One person inventing the WWW... ROTF!
>>>
>>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW".
>>>
>>> Rr
>>
>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing or 
>> co-inventing specific components of the Internet and
>> protocols on it.  TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and well-known 
>> specific sense.  Most of us have read all about it and
>> a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, telnet, and 
>> Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages.  Vint Cerf co-invented
>> TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet".  I don't know of 
>> anyone else who is said to have "invented the World Wide
>> Web".  There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked shared 
>> information, like Ted Nelson.
>>
>> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/
>>
>> sdw
>>
>

Countervail: 'Progressive-liberal Fascism Rears It's Ugly Head In The "Sharing Economy"'

[Razer]

That post on twitter got all sorts of RTs by Trump's HitCrew attacking
GrubHub.
Some of the accounts exist solely to attack GrubHub. Those are reported
as Spam.


I send this to the accounts that seem to be personally manned, and then
block.

#Trumpism Roots: "My high school had more convicted sex predator
teachers than minority teachers"
 

> I’m from the rural Midwest. I now live in Washington, D.C. All of this
> talk about coastal elites needing to understand more of America has it
> backward.
>
> My home county in Ohio is 97 percent white. It, like a lot of other
> very unrepresentative counties, went heavily for Donald Trump.
>
> My high school had about 950 students. Two were Asian. One was
> Hispanic. Zero were Muslim. All the teachers were white.
>
> My high school had more convicted sexual predator teachers than
> minority teachers. That’s a rural American story.
>
> In many of these areas, the only Muslims you see are in movies like
> “American Sniper.” (I knew zero Muslims before going to college in
> another state.) You never see gay couples or even interracial ones.
> Much of rural and exurban American is a time capsule to America’s past.
>
> And on Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2016, they dug it up.
>
> The first gay person I knew personally was my college roommate — a
> great man who made me a better person. But that’s an experience I
> would have never had if I didn’t go to college and instead decided to
> live the rest of my life in my hometown.
>
> That was when I realized that not supporting gay marriage meant to
> actively deny rights to someone I knew personally. I wouldn’t be
> denying marriage rights to other people; I would be denying marriage
> rights to Dave. I would have to look Dave in the eye and say, “Dave,
> you deserve fewer rights than me. You deserve a lesser human experience.”
>
> When you grow up in rural America, denying rights to people is an
> abstract concept. Denying marriage rights to gay people isn’t that
> much different than denying boarding rights to Klingons.


http://www.rollcall.com/news/opinion/im-a-coastal-elite-from-the-midwest-the-real-bubble-is-rural-america

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Razer]

On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute
> anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>

I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code
he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty fucking obvious troll.

Rr



> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said
> co-invented.  Of course there were previous tries at solving
> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and
> we no longer use any of them.  Similarly, every patent depends on the
> existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a significant
> leap forward.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor
>>  at
>> Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted research on
>> packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the DoD
>> TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.
>
> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem
> that needed to be solved to build a working Internet.  It is amazing
> that very few changes were made since the first released version.  We
> all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented the Internet."  We know
> there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything else with an
> elegant solution.
>
> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute
> anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>
> You're ideology is strange and not very useful.
>
> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and
> related advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't value and appreciate
> those who did.  It could have been much worse in many ways.  We could
> be paying packet charges to national telecoms with only centralized
> "security", for instance.  We are very very lucky, and not in an
> anthropic principle way.
>
> sdw
>
> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>>
>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE,
>> hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham radio
>> operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>
>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's
>> literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing down of the
>> history of the internet.
>>
>>
>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:

 On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:


> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.

 I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you
 know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine. One
 person inventing the WWW... ROTF!

 MAYBE the TERM "WWW".

 Rr
>>>
>>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals
>>> inventing or co-inventing specific components of the Internet and
>>> protocols on it.  TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and
>>> well-known specific sense.  Most of us have read all about it and a
>>> few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP,
>>> telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages.  Vint Cerf co-invented
>>> TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet".  I don't
>>> know of anyone else who is said to have "invented the World Wide
>>> Web".  There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked
>>> shared information, like Ted Nelson.
>>>
>>> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/
>>>
>>> sdw
>>>
>>
>

Re: Countervail: 'Progressive-liberal Fascism Rears It's Ugly Head In The "Sharing Economy"'

[Stephen D. Williams]

Nice, thanks.  I'm from a small (11,000 then, 10,000 now) town in Ohio which, 
probably now and definitely when I grew up there, was
>99.9% white: there was a single black family in the whole town.  No Asians, no 
>Hispanics.

sdw

On 11/11/16 10:16 AM, Razer wrote:
> That post on twitter got all sorts of RTs by Trump's HitCrew attacking 
> GrubHub.
> Some of the accounts exist solely to attack GrubHub. Those are reported as 
> Spam.
>
>
> I send this to the accounts that seem to be personally manned, and then block.
>
> #Trumpism Roots: "My high school had more convicted sex predator teachers 
> than minority teachers"
>  
>
>> I’m from the rural Midwest. I now live in Washington, D.C. All of this talk 
>> about coastal elites needing to understand more of
>> America has it backward.
>>
>> My home county in Ohio is 97 percent white. It, like a lot of other very 
>> unrepresentative counties, went heavily for Donald Trump.
>>
>> My high school had about 950 students. Two were Asian. One was Hispanic. 
>> Zero were Muslim. All the teachers were white.
>>
>> My high school had more convicted sexual predator teachers than minority 
>> teachers. That’s a rural American story.
>>
>> In many of these areas, the only Muslims you see are in movies like 
>> “American Sniper.” (I knew zero Muslims before going to
>> college in another state.) You never see gay couples or even interracial 
>> ones. Much of rural and exurban American is a time
>> capsule to America’s past.
>>
>> And on Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2016, they dug it up.
>>
>> The first gay person I knew personally was my college roommate — a great man 
>> who made me a better person. But that’s an
>> experience I would have never had if I didn’t go to college and instead 
>> decided to live the rest of my life in my hometown.
>>
>> That was when I realized that not supporting gay marriage meant to actively 
>> deny rights to someone I knew personally. I wouldn’t
>> be denying marriage rights to other people; I would be denying marriage 
>> rights to Dave. I would have to look Dave in the eye and
>> say, “Dave, you deserve fewer rights than me. You deserve a lesser human 
>> experience.”
>>
>> When you grow up in rural America, denying rights to people is an abstract 
>> concept. Denying marriage rights to gay people isn’t
>> that much different than denying boarding rights to Klingons.
>
>
> http://www.rollcall.com/news/opinion/im-a-coastal-elite-from-the-midwest-the-real-bubble-is-rural-america

Re: Progressive-liberal Fascism Rears It's Ugly Head In The "Sharing Economy"

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Nov 11, 2016 2:14 PM, "Razer"  wrote:
>
> He "promised to “fight for [the] dignity” of any employee who feels
scared or threatened.
>
> Then threatened them...

Yep, it was pretty wrong.  Any kind of discrimination is always
disgusting.  :(

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Stephen D. Williams]

On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:
>
>
>
> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>
>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything 
>> significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>
>
> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he 
> owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty fucking
> obvious troll.

You said:
> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all 
> sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham
> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

I interpreted that as:

CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio 
operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of 
things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he
designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that he 
was a ham radio operator on some team who took all the
credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has.  Since none of it seems 
very logical, and the former is ridiculous, I took my
best guess at meaning.

Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling.  Being obtuse then 
calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.

>
> Rr

sdw

>
>
>
>> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented.  
>> Of course there were previous tries at solving
>> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no 
>> longer use any of them.  Similarly, every patent
>> depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a 
>> significant leap forward.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
>>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor 
>>> 
>>> at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted research on 
>>> packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed
>>> the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.
>>
>> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that 
>> needed to be solved to build a working Internet.  It
>> is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released version. 
>>  We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented the
>> Internet."  We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything 
>> else with an elegant solution.
>>
>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything 
>> significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>
>> You're ideology is strange and not very useful.
>>
>> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and 
>> related advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't value
>> and appreciate those who did.  It could have been much worse in many ways.  
>> We could be paying packet charges to national
>> telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance.  We are very very 
>> lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way.
>>
>> sdw
>>
>> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>
>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all 
>>> sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham
>>> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>
>>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's 
>>> literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing
>>> down of the history of the internet.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
 On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:
>
> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:
>
>
>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
>
> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? 
> It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine.
> One person inventing the WWW... ROTF!
>
> MAYBE the TERM "WWW".
>
> Rr

 There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing 
 or co-inventing specific components of the Internet
 and protocols on it.  TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and 
 well-known specific sense.  Most of us have read all about
 it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, 
 telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages.  Vint Cerf
 co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet".  I 
 don't know of anyone else who is said to have "invented
 the World Wide Web".  There were people who earlier suggested some kind of 
 linked shared information, like Ted Nelson.

 http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/

 sdw

>>>
>>
>

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Razer]

Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".


On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>
>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute
>>> anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>>
>>
>> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took
>> code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty fucking
>> obvious troll.
>
> You said:
>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE,
>> hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham radio
>> operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>
> I interpreted that as:
>
> CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham
> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>
> I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use
> of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he designed the
> protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that he was a
> ham radio operator on some team who took all the credit for a team
> effort as Linus (quite fairly) has.  Since none of it seems very
> logical, and the former is ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning.
>
> Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling.  Being
> obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.
>
>>
>> Rr
>
> sdw
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said
>>> co-invented.  Of course there were previous tries at solving
>>> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and
>>> we no longer use any of them.  Similarly, every patent depends on
>>> the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a
>>> significant leap forward.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
 After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor
  at
 Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted research on
 packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the DoD
 TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.
>>>
>>> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol
>>> problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet.  It is
>>> amazing that very few changes were made since the first released
>>> version.  We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented the
>>> Internet."  We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled
>>> everything else with an elegant solution.
>>>
>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute
>>> anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>>
>>> You're ideology is strange and not very useful.
>>>
>>> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet
>>> and related advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't value and
>>> appreciate those who did.  It could have been much worse in many
>>> ways.  We could be paying packet charges to national telecoms with
>>> only centralized "security", for instance.  We are very very lucky,
>>> and not in an anthropic principle way.
>>>
>>> sdw
>>>
>>> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:

 This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE,
 hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham
 radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

 It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers.
 It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing down
 of the history of the internet.


 On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:
>>
>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:
>>
>>
>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
>>
>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you
>> know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine. One
>> person inventing the WWW... ROTF!
>>
>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW".
>>
>> Rr
>
> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals
> inventing or co-inventing specific components of the Internet and
> protocols on it.  TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and
> well-known specific sense.  Most of us have read all about it and
> a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP,
> telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages.  Vint Cerf co-invented
> TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet".  I don't
> know of anyone else who is said to have "invented the World Wide
> Web".  There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked
> shared information, like Ted Nelson.
>
> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/
>
> sdw
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Stephen D. Williams]

Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse?  I don't think you know 
what that word means.

sdw

On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:
>
> Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".
>
>
> On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>
 "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute 
 anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.

>>>
>>> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he 
>>> owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty
>>> fucking obvious troll.
>>
>> You said:
>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all 
>>> sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham
>>> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>
>> I interpreted that as:
>>
>> CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio 
>> operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>
>> I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of 
>> things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he
>> designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that 
>> he was a ham radio operator on some team who took all
>> the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has.  Since none of it 
>> seems very logical, and the former is ridiculous, I
>> took my best guess at meaning.
>>
>> Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling.  Being obtuse then 
>> calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.
>>
>>>
>>> Rr
>>
>> sdw
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented.  
 Of course there were previous tries at solving
 networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no 
 longer use any of them.  Similarly, every patent
 depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a 
 significant leap forward.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor
>  at Stanford 
> University from 1972–1976, where he conducted
> research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the 
> DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.

 TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that 
 needed to be solved to build a working Internet.  It
 is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released 
 version.  We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented
 the Internet."  We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled 
 everything else with an elegant solution.

 "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute 
 anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.

 You're ideology is strange and not very useful.

 We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and 
 related advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't value
 and appreciate those who did.  It could have been much worse in many ways. 
  We could be paying packet charges to national
 telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance.  We are very very 
 lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way.

 sdw

 On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>
> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence 
> all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a
> ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>
> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's 
> literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing
> down of the history of the internet.
>
>
> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:
>>>
>>>
 Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
>>>
>>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? 
>>> It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can
>>> imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF!
>>>
>>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW".
>>>
>>> Rr
>>
>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing 
>> or co-inventing specific components of the Internet
>> and protocols on it.  TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and 
>> well-known specific sense.  Most of us have read all
>> about it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from 
>> FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages.  Vint
>> Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet". 
>>  I don't know of anyone else who is said to have
>> "invented the Worl

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Razer]

On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse?  I don't think
> you know what that word means.
>
> sdw

Yes I do. It means tangential... surrounded by blather...

Go look it up. You bury grams of information in pounds of trash talk.

Rr


>
> On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:
>>
>> Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:



 On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute
> anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>

 I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took
 code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty fucking
 obvious troll.
>>>
>>> You said:
 This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE,
 hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham
 radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>
>>> I interpreted that as:
>>>
>>> CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham
>>> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>
>>> I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and
>>> use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he
>>> designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were
>>> saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who took all
>>> the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has.  Since
>>> none of it seems very logical, and the former is ridiculous, I took
>>> my best guess at meaning.
>>>
>>> Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling.  Being
>>> obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.
>>>

 Rr
>>>
>>> sdw
>>>



> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said
> co-invented.  Of course there were previous tries at solving
> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed
> and we no longer use any of them.  Similarly, every patent depends
> on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a
> significant leap forward.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor
>>  at
>> Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted research
>> on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the
>> DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.
>
> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol
> problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet.  It
> is amazing that very few changes were made since the first
> released version.  We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented
> the Internet."  We know there was more to it, but what he did
> enabled everything else with an elegant solution.
>
> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute
> anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>
> You're ideology is strange and not very useful.
>
> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet
> and related advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't value and
> appreciate those who did.  It could have been much worse in many
> ways.  We could be paying packet charges to national telecoms with
> only centralized "security", for instance.  We are very very
> lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way.
>
> sdw
>
> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>>
>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE,
>> hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham
>> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>
>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers.
>> It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing down
>> of the history of the internet.
>>
>>
>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:

 On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:


> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.

 I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you
 know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine.
 One person inventing the WWW... ROTF!

 MAYBE the TERM "WWW".

 Rr
>>>
>>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals
>>> inventing or co-inventing specific components of the Internet
>>> and protocols on it.  TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core
>>> and well-known specific sense.  Most of us have read all about
>>> it

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Stephen D. Williams]

On 11/11/16 12:05 PM, Razer wrote:
>
>
>
> On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>> Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse?  I don't think you know 
>> what that word means.
>>
>> sdw
>
> Yes I do. It means tangential... surrounded by blather...
>
> Go look it up. You bury grams of information in pounds of trash talk.

No, it doesn't:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/obtuse

> adjective
>
> 1.
> not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or 
> observant; dull.

sdw

>
> Rr
>
>
>>
>> On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>
>>> Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
 On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:
>
>
>
> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>
>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute 
>> anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>
>
> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he 
> owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty
> fucking obvious troll.

 You said:
> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence 
> all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a
> ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

 I interpreted that as:

 CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio 
 operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a
 Torvalds'.

 I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of 
 things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that
 he designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying 
 that he was a ham radio operator on some team who took
 all the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has.  Since none 
 of it seems very logical, and the former is
 ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning.

 Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling.  Being obtuse 
 then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.

>
> Rr

 sdw

>
>
>
>> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said 
>> co-invented.  Of course there were previous tries at solving
>> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we 
>> no longer use any of them.  Similarly, every patent
>> depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a 
>> significant leap forward.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
>>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor
>>>  at 
>>> Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted
>>> research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed 
>>> the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.
>>
>> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem 
>> that needed to be solved to build a working Internet. 
>> It is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released 
>> version.  We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf
>> invented the Internet."  We know there was more to it, but what he did 
>> enabled everything else with an elegant solution.
>>
>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute 
>> anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>
>> You're ideology is strange and not very useful.
>>
>> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and 
>> related advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't
>> value and appreciate those who did.  It could have been much worse in 
>> many ways.  We could be paying packet charges to
>> national telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance.  We 
>> are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way.
>>
>> sdw
>>
>> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>
>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence 
>>> all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a
>>> ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>
>>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's 
>>> literally idiotic and historically vacant. A
>>> stupid-ing down of the history of the internet.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
 On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:
>
> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:
>
>
>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
>
> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? 
> It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can
> imagine. One person inventing the WWW..

Re: Snowden streaming Live @ StartPage.com / November 10th 16:30 hours

[Cecilia Tanaka]

Video @Snowden Q&A on how US Election affects your #privacy, his pardon
(Streamed Live @RT_com): https://youtu.be/e3svbmlMALM

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Razer]

On 11/11/2016 12:08 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> On 11/11/16 12:05 PM, Razer wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>> Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse?  I don't think
>>> you know what that word means.
>>>
>>> sdw
>>
>> Yes I do. It means tangential... surrounded by blather...
>>
>> Go look it up. You bury grams of information in pounds of trash talk.
>
> No, it doesn't:
> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/obtuse
>
>> adjective
>>
>> 1.
>> not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not
>> sensitive or observant; dull.
>
> sdw
>


Obtuse in a KIND OF ANGLE, STUPID.

No wonder you don't make any sense most of the time an our eys all glaze
over when you post. Your idiocy in using it adjectively, despite the
fact that almost NO ONE uses it that way, to fend of criticism of your
blather, IS A PRIME EXAMPLE of your Obtuseness, adjectively.

Rr

>>
>> Rr
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:

 Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".


 On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>
>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't
>>> contribute anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so
>>> clueless.
>>>
>>
>> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took
>> code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty fucking
>> obvious troll.
>
> You said:
>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE,
>> hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham
>> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>
> I interpreted that as:
>
> CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a
> ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>
> I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and
> use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he
> designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were
> saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who took all
> the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has.  Since
> none of it seems very logical, and the former is ridiculous, I
> took my best guess at meaning.
>
> Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling.  Being
> obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.
>
>>
>> Rr
>
> sdw
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said
>>> co-invented.  Of course there were previous tries at solving
>>> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed
>>> and we no longer use any of them.  Similarly, every patent
>>> depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as
>>> being a significant leap forward.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
 After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant
 professor
 
 at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted
 research on packet network interconnection protocols and
 co-designed the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.
>>>
>>> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol
>>> problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet. 
>>> It is amazing that very few changes were made since the first
>>> released version.  We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf
>>> invented the Internet."  We know there was more to it, but what
>>> he did enabled everything else with an elegant solution.
>>>
>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't
>>> contribute anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so
>>> clueless.
>>>
>>> You're ideology is strange and not very useful.
>>>
>>> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the
>>> Internet and related advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't
>>> value and appreciate those who did.  It could have been much
>>> worse in many ways.  We could be paying packet charges to
>>> national telecoms with only centralized "security", for
>>> instance.  We are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic
>>> principle way.
>>>
>>> sdw
>>>
>>> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:

 This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP
 ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc
 b/c a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a
 Torvalds'.

 It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal
 computers. It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A
 stupid-ing down of the hi

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Stephen D. Williams]

On 11/11/16 12:16 PM, Razer wrote:
>
>
>
> On 11/11/2016 12:08 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>> On 11/11/16 12:05 PM, Razer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
 Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse?  I don't think you 
 know what that word means.

 sdw
>>>
>>> Yes I do. It means tangential... surrounded by blather...
>>>
>>> Go look it up. You bury grams of information in pounds of trash talk.
>>
>> No, it doesn't:
>> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/obtuse
>>
>>> adjective
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or 
>>> observant; dull.
>>
>> sdw
>>
>
>
> Obtuse in a KIND OF ANGLE, STUPID.

Thanks for emphatically clarifying that you didn't know the relevant meaning.  
I would offer to use small words next time, but it is
already a small word.  Btw, even as a math term, it is used "adjectively".

sdw

>
> No wonder you don't make any sense most of the time an our eys all glaze over 
> when you post. Your idiocy in using it adjectively,
> despite the fact that almost NO ONE uses it that way, to fend of criticism of 
> your blather, IS A PRIME EXAMPLE of your Obtuseness,
> adjectively.

>
> Rr
>
>>>
>>> Rr
>>>
>>>

 On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:
>
> Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".
>
>
> On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>
 "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute 
 anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.

>>>
>>> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code 
>>> he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty
>>> fucking obvious troll.
>>
>> You said:
>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence 
>>> all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a
>>> ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>
>> I interpreted that as:
>>
>> CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham 
>> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a
>> Torvalds'.
>>
>> I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use 
>> of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that
>> he designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying 
>> that he was a ham radio operator on some team who
>> took all the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has.  
>> Since none of it seems very logical, and the former is
>> ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning.
>>
>> Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling.  Being obtuse 
>> then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.
>>
>>>
>>> Rr
>>
>> sdw
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said 
 co-invented.  Of course there were previous tries at solving
 networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and 
 we no longer use any of them.  Similarly, every patent
 depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a 
 significant leap forward.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor
>  at 
> Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted
> research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed 
> the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.

 TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem 
 that needed to be solved to build a working
 Internet.  It is amazing that very few changes were made since the 
 first released version.  We all know what we mean by
 "Vint Cerf invented the Internet."  We know there was more to it, but 
 what he did enabled everything else with an elegant
 solution.

 "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute 
 anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.

 You're ideology is strange and not very useful.

 We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and 
 related advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't
 value and appreciate those who did.  It could have been much worse in 
 many ways.  We could be paying packet charges to
 national telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance.  We 
 are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic
 principle way.

 sdw

 On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>>

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Cecilia Tanaka]

The most bizarre 'benefit' of CypherPunk list to foreign people like me is
learning new bad words and adjetives almost all the weeks...  :P

Already knowed 'obtuse' because its writting and sound remembers a lot
'obtuso' in Portuguese.  The word is used the same way here.

It's a pity to learn that 'Schmuck' is a bad word.  It's a cute word,
sounds pretty good and it would be a great name to some food or my future
pet.  Meh!  :(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck_(pejorative)

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Stephen D. Williams]

On 11/11/16 12:36 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>
> The most bizarre 'benefit' of CypherPunk list to foreign people like me is 
> learning new bad words and adjetives almost all the
> weeks...  :P
>
> Already knowed 'obtuse' because its writting and sound remembers a lot 
> 'obtuso' in Portuguese.  The word is used the same way here.
>
> It's a pity to learn that 'Schmuck' is a bad word.  It's a cute word, sounds 
> pretty good and it would be a great name to some food
> or my future pet.  Meh!  :(
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck_(pejorative) 
> 
>

As with other words, it can be used endearingly to mostly flip the meaning: 
Have a beer, you poor schmuck.

sdw

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Stephen D. Williams]

On 11/11/16 12:54 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>
> On Nov 11, 2016 5:41 PM, "Stephen D. Williams"  > wrote:
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck_(pejorative) 
> >> 
> >
> > As with other words, it can be used endearingly to mostly flip the meaning: 
> > Have a beer, you poor schmuck.
>
> Thanks Stephen!  :)
>

You're welcome.

> When I was a child, I wanted to pet a Schmoo and when Razer wrote 'Schmuck', 
> I thought it would be cute to have a Schmoo named
> Schmuck, hihi!  ;)
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo
>
> 'Schmuck Sandwich' sounded pretty yummy until I discover the word's meaning, 
> haha!!  ;D
>
> I always wanted to walking around with a fox since I read "The Little Prince" 
> too.  Now it's possible!  :D
>
> http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/fyi-domesticated-foxes
>
> I just need to wait for unicorns, dragons and nyan cats now, hihi!  ;)
>

Just yesterday I read a note from someone who said that they assumed narwhals 
weren't real for 28 years, just realizing that they
were mistaken.

sdw

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Nov 11, 2016 5:41 PM, "Stephen D. Williams"  wrote:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck_(pejorative)
>
> As with other words, it can be used endearingly to mostly flip the
meaning: Have a beer, you poor schmuck.

Thanks Stephen!  :)

When I was a child, I wanted to pet a Schmoo and when Razer wrote
'Schmuck', I thought it would be cute to have a Schmoo named Schmuck,
hihi!  ;)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo

'Schmuck Sandwich' sounded pretty yummy until I discover the word's
meaning, haha!!  ;D

I always wanted to walking around with a fox since I read "The Little
Prince" too.  Now it's possible!  :D

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/fyi-domesticated-foxes

I just need to wait for unicorns, dragons and nyan cats now, hihi!  ;)

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:24:59PM -0800, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> On 11/11/16 12:16 PM, Razer wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/11/2016 12:08 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> >> On 11/11/16 12:05 PM, Razer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>  Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse?  I don't think you 
>  know what that word means.
> 
>  sdw
> >>>
> >>> Yes I do. It means tangential... surrounded by blather...
> >>>
> >>> Go look it up. You bury grams of information in pounds of trash talk.
> >>
> >> No, it doesn't:
> >> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/obtuse
> >>
> >>> adjective
> >>>
> >>> 1.
> >>> not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or 
> >>> observant; dull.
> >> sdw

Also:
   From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:
   lacking intellectual acuity

Sharp, concise facts, positions and arguments (demonstration of mental
acuity), would counter the allegations of "You bury grams of information
in pounds of trash talk", and such burying comes across as rather
opposite of "communication acuity", thus "obtuse".


> > Obtuse in a KIND OF ANGLE, STUPID.
> 
> Thanks for emphatically clarifying that you didn't know the relevant meaning. 
>  I would offer to use small words next time, but it is
> already a small word.  Btw, even as a math term, it is used "adjectively".
> 
> sdw
> 
> >
> > No wonder you don't make any sense most of the time an our eys all glaze 
> > over when you post. Your idiocy in using it adjectively,
> > despite the fact that almost NO ONE uses it that way, to fend of criticism 
> > of your blather, IS A PRIME EXAMPLE of your Obtuseness,
> > adjectively.

There are two primary causes I'm aware of leading to such, fluoridated
hypothalamus arising from fluoride not eliminated or used elsewhere by
the body, and vaccination damage at a young age (in particular, but not
exclusively, vaccinations prior to 6 months of age).

The mentation instrument (brain) is quite sensitive.

It's sad, and yet to be properly publicized, but the science is out
there. E.g. Japan learnt a hard lesson when they, under pressure from
the WHO, reduced the start of their standard vaccination scheduled age
from 2 years, to 0 days (like Australia and elsewhere) and had a lot of
infant deaths in particular town (genetic sensitivity from memory), and
promptly thereafter increased the age to 6 months to handle that
particular problem (death, which according to Australia's government
Vaccination handbook, is a known (potential) side effect of vaccination).

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Nov 11, 2016 5:58 PM, "Stephen D. Williams"  wrote:
>
> Just yesterday I read a note from someone who said that they assumed
narwhals weren't real for 28 years, just realizing that they were mistaken.

Narwhals are pretty beautiful.  Never saw one, but I love to see whales.
They are wonderful and are always visiting my country in the Summer.  Now
it's Spring, but they are already here.  Travel time for me!  :)

Re: though shalt NOT gloat!

[Zenaan Harkness]

An unbelievable gauntlet? A total liar? Someone who selfishly intends to
line his $10 billion pockets into $100+ billion pockets?
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/incredible-last-minute-trump-ad-exposed-corrupt-elite/ri17542

We rail. We hope.

Good luck fellow humans.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[juan]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:51:24 +1100
Zenaan Harkness  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 06:16:33PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 00:30:30 -0500
> > grarpamp  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Razer  wrote:
> > > > So the final numbers for  Election Day are:
> > > >
> > > > 231,556,622 eligible voters
> > > >
> > > > 46.9% didn't vote
> > > > 25.6% voted Clinton
> > > > 25.5% voted Trump
> > > >
> > > > NOBODY got the most votes!
> > > 
> > > I'm ok with that... means there's plenty of room
> > > for someone representing and executing a different
> > > arrangement of ideas to get 25.7%.
> > 
> > 
> > I think the point is that "nobody" got the most votes so
> > "nobody" should be president
> > 
> > Also voting age is of course statist nonsense so the number
> > of votes for "nobody" is even higher.
> 
> I want to marry my rock, and my rock wants to vote, it's an assisted
> rock, assisted by me, so I assist it to the voting booth, 



Not sure what are you trying to say, but it seems as if you're
suggesting that people under 18 are as human as rocks?

Again, state laws are garbage and state laws based on age are
double garbage. 

And basic logic dictates that nobody has the 'right' to be
president, even by their own shitty 'democratic' standards. 




> the only
> slight difficulty might be proving sentience, assuming such state
> ordered nonsense as "sentience" were set as the minimum bar for voting
> -though if it can be tested, I can prolly write a computer program for
> my robot to demonstrate sentience.
> 
> :)

Re: though shalt NOT gloat!

[juan]

On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 08:19:51 +1100
Zenaan Harkness  wrote:

> An unbelievable gauntlet? A total liar? Someone who selfishly intends
> to line his $10 billion pockets into $100+ billion pockets?
> http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/incredible-last-minute-trump-ad-exposed-corrupt-elite/ri17542
> 
> We rail. We hope.
> 


So, how long before you admit that trump is nothing but a
puppet of the establishment? Well, not exactly a puppet since
HE is the establishment.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[juan]

Jim wrote:

>Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!


So, good news, the wicked witch lost. Bad news, trump won.

Re: though shalt NOT gloat!

[John Young]

Stellar tradition (spit) of cypherpunks is to attack everyone, 
before, during and after,
gloating at transient wins over the "fools" -- no matter left, right, 
indy, secret affiliation.


Trump and trumpsters are now free-fire targets to avid peddlers of 
disruption of

anything official. Political campaign mouthings just kiddie-diaper oozings.

Ooze or two about this guttersniping hideout:

Passing mention of cypher by die-hard nostalgics, but to hell with that geeky
1990s superficiality, take it to the heavily moderated crypto fora where those
crypto-geeks who work within well-paid power interests to keep tight 
censorship
over dissent, disputes, insults, shillings, virulent propaganda 
(unless it favors

fancy if always flawed crypto as an essential tool of success and dual-hatted
place on advisory boards and sugarish mega-authoritative sagacious quotes
in MSM rollodexery).

Stink of crypto-currency has been a constant odor, Assange one of hundreds
aiming to allure and loot digital frontiers of hapless internet pioneers and
sucker baiting Waybacks, Wikipedias, WWWebs 1, 2 with ever darker
promises of privacy anonymity, untraceability, pseudonyms, nics, trolls,
lusers, pawns, snitches, fame-inflamed burglars of big data and emails
and as ever financial repositories protected by beady-eyed cryptoids
and sleazy sysadmins patrolling packets, acks, diversions, ruses,
traps, threads, privileged accesses, lockpicks, permissive action
hyperlinks.



At 04:19 PM 11/11/2016, you wrote:

An unbelievable gauntlet? A total liar? Someone who selfishly intends to
line his $10 billion pockets into $100+ billion pockets?
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/incredible-last-minute-trump-ad-exposed-corrupt-elite/ri17542

We rail. We hope.

Good luck fellow humans.

Re: though shalt NOT gloat!

[Marina Brown]

On 11/11/2016 04:56 PM, juan wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 08:19:51 +1100
> Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> 
>> An unbelievable gauntlet? A total liar? Someone who selfishly intends
>> to line his $10 billion pockets into $100+ billion pockets?
>> http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/incredible-last-minute-trump-ad-exposed-corrupt-elite/ri17542
>>
>> We rail. We hope.
>>
> 
> 
>   So, how long before you admit that trump is nothing but a
>   puppet of the establishment? Well, not exactly a puppet since
>   HE is the establishment.
> 
> 
> 
Well - one might argue he is owned by the Russian establishment - he is
up to his eyballs in Russian debt.

--- Marina



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Re: though shalt NOT gloat!

[z9wahqvh]

a rare moment when Juan & the Washington Post agree

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/
11/11/if-you-voted-for-trump-because-hes-anti-establishment-guess-what-you-
got-conned/

-z

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 4:56 PM, juan  wrote:

>
>
>
> So, how long before you admit that trump is nothing but a
> puppet of the establishment? Well, not exactly a puppet since
> HE is the establishment.
>
>
>

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Razer]

Last word on the subject putz.

Obtuse means you approached a topic at some odd angle that others might
not immediately comprehend. Saying it means 'somehow slow' does the full
meaning an injustice. Obtuseness can be a good thing. "Thinking outside
the box" can be 'obtuse' thinking.

Illiterate schmuck. Stick to web definitions and stay illiterate.

Rr


On 11/11/2016 12:24 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> On 11/11/16 12:16 PM, Razer wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2016 12:08 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>> On 11/11/16 12:05 PM, Razer wrote:



 On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse?  I don't
> think you know what that word means.
>
> sdw

 Yes I do. It means tangential... surrounded by blather...

 Go look it up. You bury grams of information in pounds of trash talk.
>>>
>>> No, it doesn't:
>>> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/obtuse
>>>
 adjective

 1.
 not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not
 sensitive or observant; dull.
>>>
>>> sdw
>>>
>>
>>
>> Obtuse in a KIND OF ANGLE, STUPID.
>
> Thanks for emphatically clarifying that you didn't know the relevant
> meaning.  I would offer to use small words next time, but it is
> already a small word.  Btw, even as a math term, it is used "adjectively".
>
> sdw
>
>>
>> No wonder you don't make any sense most of the time an our eys all
>> glaze over when you post. Your idiocy in using it adjectively,
>> despite the fact that almost NO ONE uses it that way, to fend of
>> criticism of your blather, IS A PRIME EXAMPLE of your Obtuseness,
>> adjectively.
>
>>
>> Rr
>>

 Rr


>
> On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:
>>
>> Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:



 On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't
> contribute anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so
> clueless.
>

 I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he
 took code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty
 fucking obvious troll.
>>>
>>> You said:
 This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP
 ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc
 b/c a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a
 Torvalds'.
>>>
>>> I interpreted that as:
>>>
>>> CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a
>>> ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>
>>> I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations
>>> and use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that
>>> he designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you
>>> were saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who
>>> took all the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly)
>>> has.  Since none of it seems very logical, and the former is
>>> ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning.
>>>
>>> Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling.  Being
>>> obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.
>>>

 Rr
>>>
>>> sdw
>>>



> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said
> co-invented.  Of course there were previous tries at solving
> networking problems that were learned from, but they were
> flawed and we no longer use any of them.  Similarly, every
> patent depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is
> recognized as being a significant leap forward.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant
>> professor
>> 
>> at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted
>> research on packet network interconnection protocols and
>> co-designed the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.
>
> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol
> problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet. 
> It is amazing that very few changes were made since the first
> released version.  We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf
> invented the Internet."  We know there was more to it, but
> what he did enabled everything else with an elegant solution.
>
> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't
> contribute anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so
> clueless.
>
> You're ideology is strange an

Snakes On Tor

[grarpamp]

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/11/fbi-operated-23-tor-hidden-child-porn-sites-deployed-malware-from-them
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/5ceq0y/fbi_operated_23_torhidden_child_porn_sites/

According to an FBI affidavit among the unsealed documents:

In the normal course of the operation of a web site, a user sends
"request data" to the web site in order to access that site. While
Websites 1-23 operate at a government facility, such request data
associated with a user's actions on Websites 1-23 will be collected.
That data collection is not a function of the NIT. Such request data
can be paired with data collected by the NIT, however, in order to
attempt to identify a particular user and to determine that particular
user's actions on Websites 1-23.


It's to be expected that all variety of snakes inhabit darkwebs.

Re: US: Post Election Protests

[grarpamp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d9lm-T87AQ

+111

Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Griffin Boyce]

> Shawn K. Quinn:
> Let me explain to you how presidential voting works (in every state but
Maine and Nebraska, anyway)

Don't care about rules.
YOU could've written in anybody yins wanted, stupid.

> voting for Gary Johnson was the same as voting for Trump

A vote for one is not a vote for another.

> it is what it is

They call this quitter.

Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[datajanit0r]

> Jim Bell:
> This is called "Duverger's Law".

Fuck Duverger's arse research.  He is just as dishonest as .

With their logic, the 46% that didn't vote voted for Clinton because she
lost.

Retarded.

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@abditum