cpunks archives gone as at September?

2018-09-05 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good?


Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?

2018-09-05 Thread jim bell


I'm still here.        Jim Bell 
 
  On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 17:20, Zenaan Harkness wrote:   Are 
the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good?
  
Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good?


Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?

2018-09-05 Thread Mirimir
On 09/05/2018 05:19 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good?

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/

| September 2018 Archives by date
|
| Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
| More info on this list...
|
| Starting: Wed Sep 5 17:19:36 PDT 2018
| Ending: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018
| Messages: 2
|
| cpunks archives gone as at September?   Zenaan Harkness
| cpunks archives gone as at September?   jim bell
|
| Last message date: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018
| Archived on: Wed Sep 5 18:03:35 PDT 2018
|
| Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
| More info on this list...

There's something ironic about that ;)


Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?

2018-09-05 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 06:24:29PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
> On 09/05/2018 05:19 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good?
> 
> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/
> 
> | September 2018 Archives by date
> |
> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> | More info on this list...
> |
> | Starting: Wed Sep 5 17:19:36 PDT 2018
> | Ending: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018
> | Messages: 2
> |
> | cpunks archives gone as at September?   Zenaan Harkness
> | cpunks archives gone as at September?   jim bell
> |
> | Last message date: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018
> | Archived on: Wed Sep 5 18:03:35 PDT 2018
> |
> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> | More info on this list...
> 
> There's something ironic about that ;)

Looks like those folk who "group" reply, but are not subscribed, are
not getting bounces to inform them they need to be subscribed? (or
may be they are - idk)

I've had at least two such replies in September and there were no
archives until today, so their emails must get to me, but be dropped
due to not being subscribed, and therefore not archived.

Makes sense.


Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?

2018-09-05 Thread Mirimir
On 09/05/2018 06:46 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 06:24:29PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
>> On 09/05/2018 05:19 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>>> Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good?
>>
>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/
>>
>> | September 2018 Archives by date
>> |
>> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
>> | More info on this list...
>> |
>> | Starting: Wed Sep 5 17:19:36 PDT 2018
>> | Ending: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018
>> | Messages: 2
>> |
>> | cpunks archives gone as at September?   Zenaan Harkness
>> | cpunks archives gone as at September?   jim bell
>> |
>> | Last message date: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018
>> | Archived on: Wed Sep 5 18:03:35 PDT 2018
>> |
>> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
>> | More info on this list...
>>
>> There's something ironic about that ;)
> 
> Looks like those folk who "group" reply, but are not subscribed, are
> not getting bounces to inform them they need to be subscribed? (or
> may be they are - idk)
> 
> I've had at least two such replies in September and there were no
> archives until today, so their emails must get to me, but be dropped
> due to not being subscribed, and therefore not archived.
> 
> Makes sense.

You've confused me.

Are you saying that https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ was
gone for a while recently?

Or are you saying that you've received messages from the list that don't
show up in the archives?



Re: [PEACE] Juice Media - Australia's Northern Territory fracking, is SAFE [MINISTRY]

2018-09-05 Thread Steve Kinney


On 08/31/2018 07:15 PM, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> 
>>> Fracking is safe everywhere - because if it had anywhere ever caused the
>>> slightest harm, you guys would have better poster girls.
> 
> On 31/08/2018 19:08, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> Gas coming out of people's water taps, earthquakes, leaching into
>> water.
> 
> Gas only comes out of people's taps when those taps are fed from deep
> wells, and gas has always come out of people's taps in those areas.
> 
> And the gas that interests frackers does not harm your drinking water,
> only volcanic gases harm your drinking water, which never happens in
> areas being fracked, because frackers do not want volcanic gases.

You should include the phrase "without irony" somewhere in these posts,
to underscore you ironic intent.





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Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?

2018-09-05 Thread juan
On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 19:15:07 -0700
Mirimir  wrote:

> Are you saying that https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ was
> gone for a while recently?
> 
> Or are you saying that you've received messages from the list that don't
> show up in the archives?


I think  during the last 4/5 days nobody posted any messages? I assumed 
everybody was just quiet - or in jail.




 



Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?

2018-09-05 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 07:15:07PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
> On 09/05/2018 06:46 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 06:24:29PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
> >> On 09/05/2018 05:19 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >>> Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good?
> >>
> >> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/
> >>
> >> | September 2018 Archives by date
> >> |
> >> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> >> | More info on this list...
> >> |
> >> | Starting: Wed Sep 5 17:19:36 PDT 2018
> >> | Ending: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018
> >> | Messages: 2
> >> |
> >> | cpunks archives gone as at September?   Zenaan Harkness
> >> | cpunks archives gone as at September?   jim bell
> >> |
> >> | Last message date: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018
> >> | Archived on: Wed Sep 5 18:03:35 PDT 2018
> >> |
> >> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> >> | More info on this list...
> >>
> >> There's something ironic about that ;)
> > 
> > Looks like those folk who "group" reply, but are not subscribed, are
> > not getting bounces to inform them they need to be subscribed? (or
> > may be they are - idk)
> > 
> > I've had at least two such replies in September and there were no
> > archives until today, so their emails must get to me, but be dropped
> > due to not being subscribed, and therefore not archived.
> > 
> > Makes sense.
> 
> You've confused me.
> 
> Are you saying that https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ was
> gone for a while recently?
> 
> Or are you saying that you've received messages from the list that don't
> show up in the archives?

I received messages which I thought were from the list and did not
show up in the archives.

There were no -actual- messages for September until today, and so the
archive for Sept did not exist.

My sieve filter checks for To and Cc, and for the list-id, and files
all such emails into my cp folder, and there were at least 2 such
emails in September prior to today, which are not in the cpunks
archives.

It seems that some folks group-reply, and ignore any bounce or not
subscribed messages (since I receive such emails semi regularly, I
assumed that such persons would subscribe or stop group-replying and
just privately reply...)


Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?

2018-09-05 Thread Greg Newby
On Thu, Sep 06, 2018 at 12:28:23PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 07:15:07PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
> > On 09/05/2018 06:46 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 06:24:29PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
> > >> On 09/05/2018 05:19 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > >>> Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good?
> > >>
> > >> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/
> > >>
> > >> | September 2018 Archives by date
> > >> |
> > >> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> > >> | More info on this list...
> > >> |
> > >> | Starting: Wed Sep 5 17:19:36 PDT 2018
> > >> | Ending: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018
> > >> | Messages: 2
> > >> |
> > >> | cpunks archives gone as at September?   Zenaan Harkness
> > >> | cpunks archives gone as at September?   jim bell
> > >> |
> > >> | Last message date: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018
> > >> | Archived on: Wed Sep 5 18:03:35 PDT 2018
> > >> |
> > >> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> > >> | More info on this list...
> > >>
> > >> There's something ironic about that ;)
> > > 
> > > Looks like those folk who "group" reply, but are not subscribed, are
> > > not getting bounces to inform them they need to be subscribed? (or
> > > may be they are - idk)
> > > 
> > > I've had at least two such replies in September and there were no
> > > archives until today, so their emails must get to me, but be dropped
> > > due to not being subscribed, and therefore not archived.
> > > 
> > > Makes sense.
> > 
> > You've confused me.
> > 
> > Are you saying that https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ was
> > gone for a while recently?
> > 
> > Or are you saying that you've received messages from the list that don't
> > show up in the archives?
> 
> I received messages which I thought were from the list and did not
> show up in the archives.
> 
> There were no -actual- messages for September until today, and so the
> archive for Sept did not exist.

This seems correct.

> My sieve filter checks for To and Cc, and for the list-id, and files
> all such emails into my cp folder, and there were at least 2 such
> emails in September prior to today, which are not in the cpunks
> archives.

Evidently these messages went to you and was handled correctly, but were never 
posted to the cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org list.

If anyone thinks messages *were* posted but *were not* archived at the link 
above, please let me know and I can dig into some log files.

> It seems that some folks group-reply, and ignore any bounce or not
> subscribed messages (since I receive such emails semi regularly, I
> assumed that such persons would subscribe or stop group-replying and
> just privately reply...)

Yes.  Mailman rejects a few things silently, but mostly people should get a 
bounce if a message is not accepted for the list.  If anyone spots anomalies, 
let me know and I can take a closer look at the list config.

I believe it's safe to "Cc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org" but not "Bcc: 
cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org"

Also Mailman has a threshold for how many addresses may be included in To: and 
Cc: before flagging for the moderator (me).  This hasn't happened recently.

I noticed this whole series of messages seems to be archived correctly, which 
indicates that at least some things are currently working correctly.

  - Greg (cpunks list maintainer)


[wayward4...@gmail.com: Re: [PEACE] Juice Media - Australia's Northern Territory fracking, is SAFE [MINISTRY]]

2018-09-05 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Hi Greg, here's an example, as you can see in the To: field, was sent
to me and the list, and did not appear in the archives.

This is one of two example in the last few days which triggered the
OP.

We can see from the headers below that the path to me was to my
personal email addy, not the list.

Ric has sent quite a few emails like this over the last year for
example - it was on a whim (based on an otherwise silent list for 5
days) that I checked the cpunks archives and they did not exist for
September...

Any ideas?




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Re: [wayward4...@gmail.com: Re: [PEACE] Juice Media - Australia's Northern Territory fracking, is SAFE [MINISTRY]]

2018-09-05 Thread Mirimir
On 09/05/2018 08:26 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Hi Greg, here's an example, as you can see in the To: field, was sent
> to me and the list, and did not appear in the archives.
> 
> This is one of two example in the last few days which triggered the
> OP.
> 
> We can see from the headers below that the path to me was to my
> personal email addy, not the list.
> 
> Ric has sent quite a few emails like this over the last year for
> example - it was on a whim (based on an otherwise silent list for 5
> days) that I checked the cpunks archives and they did not exist for
> September...
> 
> Any ideas?

I've never received anything via cypherpunks from Ric Moore, just what
you've forwarded. Maybe he ought to subscribe?




Re: Internet fights back, Providers Sellout, 3D Gunbooks For Sale

2018-09-05 Thread Steve Kinney


On 08/29/2018 03:29 PM, Razer wrote:
> 
> Grarpamp: "lol"
> 
> Here ya go laughing boy, the intertubz fights back. My blurb for
> #OccupySiliconValley #S17
> 
> "This #S17 #OccupySiliconValley. It isn't 'geeks who love computers'
> anymore. It's the new American Oligarchy... "The 1%"... the enemy. The
> Pentagon wrote a contract to store ALL DoD data, including classified
> info, that only #Bezos Amazon AWS 'cloud' and a couple of other
> operations could fulfill. Amazon=Pentagon, all the way back to Bezos
> statements years ago saying he'd co-operate with the CIA, b/c CIA."
> 
> Tactical Briefing: http://abillionpeople.org/occupysiliconvalley.html

Meh.  Sounds like a conventional offsite backup strategy to me.  It does
seem to indicate high confidence in the cryptographic tools used to
prevent stored data from being read by hostiles, with unusually strong
forward security (resistance to cryptanalysis for, say, 50+ years).

This contract would also indicate high confidence in methods used to
prevent useful source attribution and traffic analysis of files being
written into and read out of the archival servers in question,
presumably by parties including the vendor providing the service.

I'd like to see the protocols involved.  If they're that good, they
should be published because doing so will enhance The National Interest
at no cost to The National Security.

He said.  With malice aforethought.

:o)







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