Re: Internet fights back, Providers Sellout, 3D Gunbooks For Sale
On 08/29/2018 03:29 PM, Razer wrote: > > Grarpamp: "lol" > > Here ya go laughing boy, the intertubz fights back. My blurb for > #OccupySiliconValley #S17 > > "This #S17 #OccupySiliconValley. It isn't 'geeks who love computers' > anymore. It's the new American Oligarchy... "The 1%"... the enemy. The > Pentagon wrote a contract to store ALL DoD data, including classified > info, that only #Bezos Amazon AWS 'cloud' and a couple of other > operations could fulfill. Amazon=Pentagon, all the way back to Bezos > statements years ago saying he'd co-operate with the CIA, b/c CIA." > > Tactical Briefing: http://abillionpeople.org/occupysiliconvalley.html Meh. Sounds like a conventional offsite backup strategy to me. It does seem to indicate high confidence in the cryptographic tools used to prevent stored data from being read by hostiles, with unusually strong forward security (resistance to cryptanalysis for, say, 50+ years). This contract would also indicate high confidence in methods used to prevent useful source attribution and traffic analysis of files being written into and read out of the archival servers in question, presumably by parties including the vendor providing the service. I'd like to see the protocols involved. If they're that good, they should be published because doing so will enhance The National Interest at no cost to The National Security. He said. With malice aforethought. :o) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [wayward4...@gmail.com: Re: [PEACE] Juice Media - Australia's Northern Territory fracking, is SAFE [MINISTRY]]
On 09/05/2018 08:26 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Hi Greg, here's an example, as you can see in the To: field, was sent > to me and the list, and did not appear in the archives. > > This is one of two example in the last few days which triggered the > OP. > > We can see from the headers below that the path to me was to my > personal email addy, not the list. > > Ric has sent quite a few emails like this over the last year for > example - it was on a whim (based on an otherwise silent list for 5 > days) that I checked the cpunks archives and they did not exist for > September... > > Any ideas? I've never received anything via cypherpunks from Ric Moore, just what you've forwarded. Maybe he ought to subscribe?
[wayward4...@gmail.com: Re: [PEACE] Juice Media - Australia's Northern Territory fracking, is SAFE [MINISTRY]]
Hi Greg, here's an example, as you can see in the To: field, was sent to me and the list, and did not appear in the archives. This is one of two example in the last few days which triggered the OP. We can see from the headers below that the path to me was to my personal email addy, not the list. Ric has sent quite a few emails like this over the last year for example - it was on a whim (based on an otherwise silent list for 5 days) that I checked the cpunks archives and they did not exist for September... Any ideas? - Forwarded message from Ric Moore - Received: from pop.gmail.com (tg-in-f108.1e100.net [74.125.23.108]) by eye.freedbms.net (mpop-1.2.6) with POP3 for ; Mon, 03 Sep 2018 10:43:08 +1000 Delivered-To: zen...@gmail.com Received: by 2002:adf:f652:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id x18-v6csp1924015wrp; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 17:34:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdaZ7iTZ63qn4PjsF8XfehSchw3l+XeMF/pJx0nS8J9yG++a2+rWkexl3EGzy9TANmuNdFqL X-Received: by 2002:a37:5c81:: with SMTP id q123-v6mr23028848qkb.8.1535934892699; Sun, 02 Sep 2018 17:34:52 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1535934892; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=lvmSyVeUxEkQFSEAM8Lyh4ZPlvQjTGAWp2rC7XuVgk+wT8z3dK3Unt5XBHBW/cIYXz RnE6MEjliW+c6VBpOiaOcEyqgTxi/Bj7qdmUdyhO4gL5w/Js0fQIWiFz8XfQLWWNvU7J 5s8gz9VOHO1CSWIh/eDkR8Ed+G56JrOaHZIStHRzj23VZbp0N2YLUoiPyvahbQAzG9F5 FPYXSDeWru4bbGG7rqHWoNYyYYzB9iooy61fsdqKsJySW1wDriZMY+1yCCqeYgTKugJ0 Ugw49XSQArlk2vC/FU/rrDnkpst2/E85OOxvsMespI5/CorT3fvpviSbZOFOYa1Vw8IF hdAA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-language:in-reply-to:mime-version :date:message-id:from:references:to:subject:dkim-signature :delivered-to:arc-authentication-results; bh=mMTj0hwvCdwDpmGDpw1zDXwV9pnZdxsh4/hFmm0/5Ow=; b=apWcYKXk4rCt07oAe6wgaRJEQ4o47FCoy8N6YResHsziK1HMrjli3dEhHtQ3BWd+ye uZotXpVfU4wT2+iUYKtjIF02kieHamqMHpX9/JQWhDSmP8kfC7AHpNuiEC00MNyFwCR8 Q7iIOSK9ybwZMIPTh8pwMa/4KxKfoVJw5ID61e0rHIMUdec98ajqGhIAM9XKvAq2iXsY rAFKNaskelMh6lQATtBm6CU6qBX8z8aqdCxq4ui7J1MKzd5ytMX+eq8xtUOb387+QasU h6MbngouabYHwjAeDyRnupa453fryeh8xLpao0CL+yluqgtXqVfqxOFm7Ndv3ZryaGVT VGfQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=BwH3Sadc; spf=pass (google.com: domain of srs0=lnfn=lr=gmail.com=wayward4...@bounce.secureserver.net designates 72.167.218.35 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="SRS0=LnfN=LR=gmail.com=wayward4...@bounce.secureserver.net"; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Return-Path: Received: from p3plsmtp02-05-25.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp02-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net. [72.167.218.35]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o53-v6si1151527qtk.150.2018.09.02.17.34.52 for ; Sun, 02 Sep 2018 17:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of srs0=lnfn=lr=gmail.com=wayward4...@bounce.secureserver.net designates 72.167.218.35 as permitted sender) client-ip=72.167.218.35; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=BwH3Sadc; spf=pass (google.com: domain of srs0=lnfn=lr=gmail.com=wayward4...@bounce.secureserver.net designates 72.167.218.35 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="SRS0=LnfN=LR=gmail.com=wayward4...@bounce.secureserver.net"; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Received: (qmail 192892 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2018 00:34:52 - Delivered-To: z...@freedbms.net Received: (qmail 192890 invoked by uid 30297); 3 Sep 2018 00:34:52 - Received: from unknown (HELO p3plibsmtp02-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net) ([68.178.213.1]) (envelope-sender ) by p3plsmtp02-05-25.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Sep 2018 00:34:52 - Received: from mail-qt0-f174.google.com ([209.85.216.174]) by bizsmtp with ESMTP id wcpPfQZxeSSyMwcpPfUDY7; Sun, 02 Sep 2018 17:34:52 -0700 Received: by mail-qt0-f174.google.com with SMTP id g44-v6so20167154qtb.12 for ; Sun, 02 Sep 2018 17:34:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mMTj0hwvCdwDpmGDpw1zDXwV9pnZdxsh4/hFmm0/5Ow=; b=BwH3SadcI6o9JW2LZEhjHD6VHXUzWJBgc8Q/Va8CNeDVf4WIFaZfaAll61g3YovgVj XdC2e2uJa4lTz/ZuG14vsER8+gaZppdlsq213bzeyHnq3o/hlbjAOfjE4KliUajw0SLq VzZuVL/qE3yFF3k5IMY99D2tPQ/XoSHvxoSP9nzTFhXbCGAVxGPnn0xb+IzAGuHbNZr9 mqxq7RAgGIhfa4lDbfFeGwse2SWKTvXXUd6n/u
Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?
On Thu, Sep 06, 2018 at 12:28:23PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 07:15:07PM -0700, Mirimir wrote: > > On 09/05/2018 06:46 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 06:24:29PM -0700, Mirimir wrote: > > >> On 09/05/2018 05:19 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > >>> Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good? > > >> > > >> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ > > >> > > >> | September 2018 Archives by date > > >> | > > >> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > >> | More info on this list... > > >> | > > >> | Starting: Wed Sep 5 17:19:36 PDT 2018 > > >> | Ending: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018 > > >> | Messages: 2 > > >> | > > >> | cpunks archives gone as at September? Zenaan Harkness > > >> | cpunks archives gone as at September? jim bell > > >> | > > >> | Last message date: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018 > > >> | Archived on: Wed Sep 5 18:03:35 PDT 2018 > > >> | > > >> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > >> | More info on this list... > > >> > > >> There's something ironic about that ;) > > > > > > Looks like those folk who "group" reply, but are not subscribed, are > > > not getting bounces to inform them they need to be subscribed? (or > > > may be they are - idk) > > > > > > I've had at least two such replies in September and there were no > > > archives until today, so their emails must get to me, but be dropped > > > due to not being subscribed, and therefore not archived. > > > > > > Makes sense. > > > > You've confused me. > > > > Are you saying that https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ was > > gone for a while recently? > > > > Or are you saying that you've received messages from the list that don't > > show up in the archives? > > I received messages which I thought were from the list and did not > show up in the archives. > > There were no -actual- messages for September until today, and so the > archive for Sept did not exist. This seems correct. > My sieve filter checks for To and Cc, and for the list-id, and files > all such emails into my cp folder, and there were at least 2 such > emails in September prior to today, which are not in the cpunks > archives. Evidently these messages went to you and was handled correctly, but were never posted to the cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org list. If anyone thinks messages *were* posted but *were not* archived at the link above, please let me know and I can dig into some log files. > It seems that some folks group-reply, and ignore any bounce or not > subscribed messages (since I receive such emails semi regularly, I > assumed that such persons would subscribe or stop group-replying and > just privately reply...) Yes. Mailman rejects a few things silently, but mostly people should get a bounce if a message is not accepted for the list. If anyone spots anomalies, let me know and I can take a closer look at the list config. I believe it's safe to "Cc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org" but not "Bcc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org" Also Mailman has a threshold for how many addresses may be included in To: and Cc: before flagging for the moderator (me). This hasn't happened recently. I noticed this whole series of messages seems to be archived correctly, which indicates that at least some things are currently working correctly. - Greg (cpunks list maintainer)
Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 07:15:07PM -0700, Mirimir wrote: > On 09/05/2018 06:46 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 06:24:29PM -0700, Mirimir wrote: > >> On 09/05/2018 05:19 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >>> Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good? > >> > >> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ > >> > >> | September 2018 Archives by date > >> | > >> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >> | More info on this list... > >> | > >> | Starting: Wed Sep 5 17:19:36 PDT 2018 > >> | Ending: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018 > >> | Messages: 2 > >> | > >> | cpunks archives gone as at September? Zenaan Harkness > >> | cpunks archives gone as at September? jim bell > >> | > >> | Last message date: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018 > >> | Archived on: Wed Sep 5 18:03:35 PDT 2018 > >> | > >> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >> | More info on this list... > >> > >> There's something ironic about that ;) > > > > Looks like those folk who "group" reply, but are not subscribed, are > > not getting bounces to inform them they need to be subscribed? (or > > may be they are - idk) > > > > I've had at least two such replies in September and there were no > > archives until today, so their emails must get to me, but be dropped > > due to not being subscribed, and therefore not archived. > > > > Makes sense. > > You've confused me. > > Are you saying that https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ was > gone for a while recently? > > Or are you saying that you've received messages from the list that don't > show up in the archives? I received messages which I thought were from the list and did not show up in the archives. There were no -actual- messages for September until today, and so the archive for Sept did not exist. My sieve filter checks for To and Cc, and for the list-id, and files all such emails into my cp folder, and there were at least 2 such emails in September prior to today, which are not in the cpunks archives. It seems that some folks group-reply, and ignore any bounce or not subscribed messages (since I receive such emails semi regularly, I assumed that such persons would subscribe or stop group-replying and just privately reply...)
Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?
On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 19:15:07 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > Are you saying that https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ was > gone for a while recently? > > Or are you saying that you've received messages from the list that don't > show up in the archives? I think during the last 4/5 days nobody posted any messages? I assumed everybody was just quiet - or in jail.
Re: [PEACE] Juice Media - Australia's Northern Territory fracking, is SAFE [MINISTRY]
On 08/31/2018 07:15 PM, jam...@echeque.com wrote: > >>> Fracking is safe everywhere - because if it had anywhere ever caused the >>> slightest harm, you guys would have better poster girls. > > On 31/08/2018 19:08, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> Gas coming out of people's water taps, earthquakes, leaching into >> water. > > Gas only comes out of people's taps when those taps are fed from deep > wells, and gas has always come out of people's taps in those areas. > > And the gas that interests frackers does not harm your drinking water, > only volcanic gases harm your drinking water, which never happens in > areas being fracked, because frackers do not want volcanic gases. You should include the phrase "without irony" somewhere in these posts, to underscore you ironic intent. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?
On 09/05/2018 06:46 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 06:24:29PM -0700, Mirimir wrote: >> On 09/05/2018 05:19 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >>> Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good? >> >> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ >> >> | September 2018 Archives by date >> | >> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> | More info on this list... >> | >> | Starting: Wed Sep 5 17:19:36 PDT 2018 >> | Ending: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018 >> | Messages: 2 >> | >> | cpunks archives gone as at September? Zenaan Harkness >> | cpunks archives gone as at September? jim bell >> | >> | Last message date: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018 >> | Archived on: Wed Sep 5 18:03:35 PDT 2018 >> | >> | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> | More info on this list... >> >> There's something ironic about that ;) > > Looks like those folk who "group" reply, but are not subscribed, are > not getting bounces to inform them they need to be subscribed? (or > may be they are - idk) > > I've had at least two such replies in September and there were no > archives until today, so their emails must get to me, but be dropped > due to not being subscribed, and therefore not archived. > > Makes sense. You've confused me. Are you saying that https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ was gone for a while recently? Or are you saying that you've received messages from the list that don't show up in the archives?
Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 06:24:29PM -0700, Mirimir wrote: > On 09/05/2018 05:19 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good? > > https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ > > | September 2018 Archives by date > | > | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > | More info on this list... > | > | Starting: Wed Sep 5 17:19:36 PDT 2018 > | Ending: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018 > | Messages: 2 > | > | cpunks archives gone as at September? Zenaan Harkness > | cpunks archives gone as at September? jim bell > | > | Last message date: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018 > | Archived on: Wed Sep 5 18:03:35 PDT 2018 > | > | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > | More info on this list... > > There's something ironic about that ;) Looks like those folk who "group" reply, but are not subscribed, are not getting bounces to inform them they need to be subscribed? (or may be they are - idk) I've had at least two such replies in September and there were no archives until today, so their emails must get to me, but be dropped due to not being subscribed, and therefore not archived. Makes sense.
Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?
On 09/05/2018 05:19 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good? https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ | September 2018 Archives by date | | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] | More info on this list... | | Starting: Wed Sep 5 17:19:36 PDT 2018 | Ending: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018 | Messages: 2 | | cpunks archives gone as at September? Zenaan Harkness | cpunks archives gone as at September? jim bell | | Last message date: Wed Sep 5 18:03:28 PDT 2018 | Archived on: Wed Sep 5 18:03:35 PDT 2018 | | Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] | More info on this list... There's something ironic about that ;)
Re: cpunks archives gone as at September?
I'm still here. Jim Bell On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 17:20, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good? Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good?
cpunks archives gone as at September?
Are the cpunks archives (or the list I guess) gone for good?
