Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 07/28/2020 03:35 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 22:23 Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 07/27/2020 04:24 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>>>
>>> My dearest love, may you tell me the reasons why you don't you trust
>>> surgeons, please?
>>
>> Because, for the most part, what they know is anatomy and surgery, and
>> so they tend to see surgery as the best option. They're also more full
>> of themselves than other doctors.
>>
>> The history of spinal surgery, in particular, is replete with all sorts
>> of disastrous operations. See
>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=malpractice+spinal+surgery&t=ffnt&ia=web for
>> examples.
> 
> 
> Oh, the most disastrous operations in the history of spinal surgery...
> W-O-W, loved it!  All I wanted to see before my pretty complex spinal
> surgery, sweetie!  <3

Just be careful, my dear :)

> Hahahahaha!!!  ;D

<3

> Mirimir, I do love you.  You and my doctor always think I am a very
> rational creature, able to analyze creepy situations with cold blood,
> hahahaha!!!  Nobody else in this world would believe it, hahahahaha!!!  ;D

Yeah, it's hard to be rational when you're broken :(

>> In this specific moment, your answer will probably be very interesting for
>>> me.
>>>
>>> Do you appreciate or, at least, trust doctors in general or not?  Some
>>> specifically medical area?
>>
>> I generally don't trust doctors. In the US anyway, they're generally
>> driven too much by greed for money and status. And far too manipulated
>> by the pharmaceutical and device industries. But there are many who are
>> truly caring and competent, of course.
> 
> 
> I do care a lot about a neurosurgeon  - he used to be one of my best
> friends before his marriage -  and the innocent surgeon who thinks I am a
> rational person.  Sweet boy.
> 
> My best friend for years and years was an addicted doctor, Mirimir.  That's
> the reason why I learned a bit about chemicals, my love.  He committed
> suicide and my world became stranger than ever for a considerable time.
> 
> You know I do hate lies and labels, but I was "his sweet high school
> girlfriend" in public.  In real private life, he was gay and had more
> boyfriends than me and all my friends together.  But you know, he was a
> successful doctor and needed a perfect image: - white, male, hetero...  He
> was buried using an Armani suit and red roses, our favorite flowers.  I
> still love him and miss this fucking bitch a lot.

Suicides do fuck up their friends' lives, for sure. It's arguably a
communicable disease. But of course, it's also a basic human right.

>> I trust only a few surgeons.  And I would give my life for only one of
>> them
>>> because he saved me a few months ago.  Not in a surgery, he explained me
>>> very important subjects about my body, trusting in my capacity of
>>> processing informations rationally...  wow...  The human body and its
>>> anatomy are fascinating, an astonishing beauty even when is damaged, hurt
>>> like mine...
>>
>> OK, so _he_ sounds like a _good_ surgeon :)
>>
> 
> Hahahaha!!!  _He_ is a fucking _amazing_ surgeon!!!  I made some specific
> researches about him.  :D
> 
> Don't feel jealous, my love.  I think _he_ has the _same_ preferences than
> me in several areas.  Well, never asked about it.  Sorry, he is the guy who
> will put his hands in my spine, not necessarily in my back.  ;)

I'm not jealous. But it'd be a shame if you were incapacitated ;)

> (There will be a scar, but he will try to preserve my tattoo.)

Maybe he could shape the incision like a lightning bolt. Or a snake :)

> He is a spinal surgeon, darling.  And I didn't tell my parents I can die or
> become paraplegic after the last surgery.  I just want to be a butterfly
> again and get my freedom back.
> 
> I was an hyperactive child and was banned of schools because of it.  I love
> to walk for hours while thinking about a new idea or a problem.  Can you
> mesure the deep intensity of my fear of losing my movements?   :((

I do get that.

> I was shocked.  At same time, he gave me an answer and new perspectives.  I
> wanted it more than everything at that point.  Certainly, it was not a good
> answer, but I had finally a rational justification for the strong pains
> able to make me fainting, able to make my lovely always low blood pressure
> becoming crazily high in some moments...
> 
> My body was/is so fucking healthy that most of doctors simply said it was
> stress, maybe psychological pain...  Sorry, my body and I never were needy
> enough for pretending to be sick for getting attention.  And, well, I do
> love my body.  It survived to real sick shit and is keeping me alive very,
> very well.  Amazing healing capacity, wow...
> 
> Something was wrong and now I know what is and it makes me pretty happy.  I
> can't fix it by myself, but life is funnier than ever because I know I
> won't die:  I will run on beaches again, watching the sea and the sun
> rising, darling.

That does sound wonderful.

> (I just need to win a judicial bat

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 22:23 Mirimir  wrote:

> On 07/27/2020 04:24 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> >
> > My dearest love, may you tell me the reasons why you don't you trust
> > surgeons, please?
>
> Because, for the most part, what they know is anatomy and surgery, and
> so they tend to see surgery as the best option. They're also more full
> of themselves than other doctors.
>
> The history of spinal surgery, in particular, is replete with all sorts
> of disastrous operations. See
> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=malpractice+spinal+surgery&t=ffnt&ia=web for
> examples.


Oh, the most disastrous operations in the history of spinal surgery...
W-O-W, loved it!  All I wanted to see before my pretty complex spinal
surgery, sweetie!  <3

Hahahahaha!!!  ;D

Mirimir, I do love you.  You and my doctor always think I am a very
rational creature, able to analyze creepy situations with cold blood,
hahahaha!!!  Nobody else in this world would believe it, hahahahaha!!!  ;D


> In this specific moment, your answer will probably be very interesting for
> > me.
> >
> > Do you appreciate or, at least, trust doctors in general or not?  Some
> > specifically medical area?
>
> I generally don't trust doctors. In the US anyway, they're generally
> driven too much by greed for money and status. And far too manipulated
> by the pharmaceutical and device industries. But there are many who are
> truly caring and competent, of course.


I do care a lot about a neurosurgeon  - he used to be one of my best
friends before his marriage -  and the innocent surgeon who thinks I am a
rational person.  Sweet boy.

My best friend for years and years was an addicted doctor, Mirimir.  That's
the reason why I learned a bit about chemicals, my love.  He committed
suicide and my world became stranger than ever for a considerable time.

You know I do hate lies and labels, but I was "his sweet high school
girlfriend" in public.  In real private life, he was gay and had more
boyfriends than me and all my friends together.  But you know, he was a
successful doctor and needed a perfect image: - white, male, hetero...  He
was buried using an Armani suit and red roses, our favorite flowers.  I
still love him and miss this fucking bitch a lot.


> I trust only a few surgeons.  And I would give my life for only one of
> them
> > because he saved me a few months ago.  Not in a surgery, he explained me
> > very important subjects about my body, trusting in my capacity of
> > processing informations rationally...  wow...  The human body and its
> > anatomy are fascinating, an astonishing beauty even when is damaged, hurt
> > like mine...
>
> OK, so _he_ sounds like a _good_ surgeon :)
>

Hahahaha!!!  _He_ is a fucking _amazing_ surgeon!!!  I made some specific
researches about him.  :D

Don't feel jealous, my love.  I think _he_ has the _same_ preferences than
me in several areas.  Well, never asked about it.  Sorry, he is the guy who
will put his hands in my spine, not necessarily in my back.  ;)

(There will be a scar, but he will try to preserve my tattoo.)

>
He is a spinal surgeon, darling.  And I didn't tell my parents I can die or
become paraplegic after the last surgery.  I just want to be a butterfly
again and get my freedom back.

I was an hyperactive child and was banned of schools because of it.  I love
to walk for hours while thinking about a new idea or a problem.  Can you
mesure the deep intensity of my fear of losing my movements?   :((

I was shocked.  At same time, he gave me an answer and new perspectives.  I
wanted it more than everything at that point.  Certainly, it was not a good
answer, but I had finally a rational justification for the strong pains
able to make me fainting, able to make my lovely always low blood pressure
becoming crazily high in some moments...

My body was/is so fucking healthy that most of doctors simply said it was
stress, maybe psychological pain...  Sorry, my body and I never were needy
enough for pretending to be sick for getting attention.  And, well, I do
love my body.  It survived to real sick shit and is keeping me alive very,
very well.  Amazing healing capacity, wow...

Something was wrong and now I know what is and it makes me pretty happy.  I
can't fix it by myself, but life is funnier than ever because I know I
won't die:  I will run on beaches again, watching the sea and the sun
rising, darling.

(I just need to win a judicial battle first...  'Meh' things, you know.  I
am wasting my precious time with bureaucracy, aff...)


And yes, we are very complicated machines. But fortunately, we're also
> amazingly good at self-repairing. Although it can take a _long_ time :(
>

Sorry, learned to analyze spinal exams in the last months and, well, I love
my body's efficiency but it cannot to repair this kind of damage alone and
I am not able to operate my own back, even using mirrors or whatever...  I
do hate to feel pain, you know.  I sincerely prefer to ask for professional
help this time, Mirimir!  :((


Be well <

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Karl]

Mirimir,

Thank you for your calming-to-read public exchange with Cecilia.

> of all, I need to learn Japanese again, only after learning more about
> > strange surgeries, hahaha!!  ;D
>
> I don't trust surgeons.
>

It is rare to hear this opinion, which I share.  I have been through
multiple surgeries.

I was wondering if you have ever heard of patients keeping video of their
own surgeries, or of keeping their own organs that have been removed from
their bodies?

Be well.

>

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 07/27/2020 04:24 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 00:29 Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>>
>> I don't trust surgeons.
>>
> 
> My dearest love, may you tell me the reasons why you don't you trust
> surgeons, please?

Because, for the most part, what they know is anatomy and surgery, and
so they tend to see surgery as the best option. They're also more full
of themselves than other doctors.

The history of spinal surgery, in particular, is replete with all sorts
of disastrous operations. See
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=malpractice+spinal+surgery&t=ffnt&ia=web for
examples.

> In this specific moment, your answer will probably be very interesting for
> me.
> 
> Do you appreciate or, at least, trust doctors in general or not?  Some
> specifically medical area?

I generally don't trust doctors. In the US anyway, they're generally
driven too much by greed for money and status. And far too manipulated
by the pharmaceutical and device industries. But there are many who are
truly caring and competent, of course.

> I trust only a few surgeons.  And I would give my life for only one of them
> because he saved me a few months ago.  Not in a surgery, he explained me
> very important subjects about my body, trusting in my capacity of
> processing informations rationally...  wow...  The human body and its
> anatomy are fascinating, an astonishing beauty even when is damaged, hurt
> like mine...

OK, so _he_ sounds like a _good_ surgeon :)

And yes, we are very complicated machines. But fortunately, we're also
amazingly good at self-repairing. Although it can take a _long_ time :(

Be well <3

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 00:29 Mirimir  wrote:

>
> I don't trust surgeons.
>

My dearest love, may you tell me the reasons why you don't you trust
surgeons, please?

In this specific moment, your answer will probably be very interesting for
me.

Do you appreciate or, at least, trust doctors in general or not?  Some
specifically medical area?

I trust only a few surgeons.  And I would give my life for only one of them
because he saved me a few months ago.  Not in a surgery, he explained me
very important subjects about my body, trusting in my capacity of
processing informations rationally...  wow...  The human body and its
anatomy are fascinating, an astonishing beauty even when is damaged, hurt
like mine...

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 07/11/2020 07:24 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 19:35 Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 07/11/2020 02:08 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, injuries often suck. But they're also useful feedback. And in a way,
>> who we are is the sum of of our scars.
> 
> 
> Yes, I learned to love all my scars, darling.  All of them have a history,
> and are important part of my past, of my life.  I am still alive, and
> promise I will keep myself alive for complete, being exactly who I am,
> Mirimir.

:)

>> I'm glad that you're feeling optimistic Ceci :)
> 
> When I don't want to die, living is fascinating, my love.  <3

That's how it works for me too.

>> It's bad shit, with lots of nasty side effects. Basically it makes you
>> crazy: tired,
>> confused, aggressive, and suicidal. But don't just stop. That's also
>> very dangerous :(
> 
> 
> Are we talking about Z. H. messages, my love?  Oh, please, stop.  It's
> disgusting.  Several brain damages.

No, I was just offering unsolicited advice :)

> Don't worry, sweetie.  You do need to consider two important facts that I
> will tell you in private.  Believe me, you do absolutely not need to worry
> about my personal security in the moment.  I am pretty healthy, pretty
> sane, and pretty pretty, hahaha!!  ;D
> 
> (I am trying to make you laugh.  Please, smile and/or laugh and relax!)

Thanks :)

> Hey, do you have news about Razer?  I do love him and his bad mood...  And
> my lovely kitten is disappeared too.  I am missing you, grarpamp.  Meow,
> meow...  I confess I love you publicly.  Come back, please.

Nope. Or at least, I'm not sure. I don't have any news from anyone using
that handle. But it's hard to tell who's who sometimes.

>> Yeah, fermentation in sealed containers can be too exciting.
>>
> 
> There are little pieces of glass shining everywhere...  And fermented
> cabbage stinking more than my English, la la la...  ;D

Ouch. Glass splinters are not fun.

>> Medical systems and pharmaceutical firms need better legal oversight,
>> for sure. As you know from experience.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, I need to tell you disgusting things in private.  :-/

OK :)

> Oh, my parents do still not know about my next steps because...  well, I do
> love them more than my life, but I do absolutely not need people panicking
> now.  I do need peace and concentration for feeling pain, studying,
> reading, writing, being a ghost writer again for paying accounts,
> whatever...  ;)

Yes, parents must be protected.

> And my mom thinks I can read these Japan's History Books easily because
> they are 'Manga for Kids', available for free until 31, August... They are
> written in Japanese only, Mirimir.  :P
> 
> 

Cute pictures ;)

> Pretty cute and interesting, but she can't understand I don't have free
> time enough now for a deep learning until the end of August, uff...  First
> of all, I need to learn Japanese again, only after learning more about
> strange surgeries, hahaha!!  ;D

I don't trust surgeons.

> I do love you, Mirimir.  Keep yourself alive, please.  I do need time and
> "painkillers" that kill only the pain, not me, please.  <3

<3

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 19:35 Mirimir  wrote:

> On 07/11/2020 02:08 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>
> Yeah, injuries often suck. But they're also useful feedback. And in a way,
> who we are is the sum of of our scars.


Yes, I learned to love all my scars, darling.  All of them have a history,
and are important part of my past, of my life.  I am still alive, and
promise I will keep myself alive for complete, being exactly who I am,
Mirimir.

I'm glad that you're feeling optimistic Ceci :)
>

When I don't want to die, living is fascinating, my love.  <3

It's bad shit, with lots of nasty side effects. Basically it makes you
> crazy: tired,
> confused, aggressive, and suicidal. But don't just stop. That's also
> very dangerous :(


Are we talking about Z. H. messages, my love?  Oh, please, stop.  It's
disgusting.  Several brain damages.

Don't worry, sweetie.  You do need to consider two important facts that I
will tell you in private.  Believe me, you do absolutely not need to worry
about my personal security in the moment.  I am pretty healthy, pretty
sane, and pretty pretty, hahaha!!  ;D

(I am trying to make you laugh.  Please, smile and/or laugh and relax!)

Hey, do you have news about Razer?  I do love him and his bad mood...  And
my lovely kitten is disappeared too.  I am missing you, grarpamp.  Meow,
meow...  I confess I love you publicly.  Come back, please.

Yeah, fermentation in sealed containers can be too exciting.
>

There are little pieces of glass shining everywhere...  And fermented
cabbage stinking more than my English, la la la...  ;D

Medical systems and pharmaceutical firms need better legal oversight,
> for sure. As you know from experience.


Unfortunately, I need to tell you disgusting things in private.  :-/

Oh, my parents do still not know about my next steps because...  well, I do
love them more than my life, but I do absolutely not need people panicking
now.  I do need peace and concentration for feeling pain, studying,
reading, writing, being a ghost writer again for paying accounts,
whatever...  ;)

And my mom thinks I can read these Japan's History Books easily because
they are 'Manga for Kids', available for free until 31, August... They are
written in Japanese only, Mirimir.  :P



Pretty cute and interesting, but she can't understand I don't have free
time enough now for a deep learning until the end of August, uff...  First
of all, I need to learn Japanese again, only after learning more about
strange surgeries, hahaha!!  ;D

I do love you, Mirimir.  Keep yourself alive, please.  I do need time and
"painkillers" that kill only the pain, not me, please.  <3

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 07/11/2020 02:08 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 00:19 \0xDynamite  wrote:
> 
>>  You sound cool.  Your picture doesn't show a disgraceful person
> 
> Oh, sorry, my fault!  Never remember to use filters or photo programs to
> make me look me desperately miserable.  This is the reason I like this
> pic.  It's just me and a Totoro hat.

Yes, it's a sweet photo :)

>> (But some problems are sooo fucking boring...  Me too, I know.  Sorry,
>> bad mood.  Need more sugar.)
>>
>> Now, now, what's your problem with yourself?
>>
> 
> Devastating physical pain and considerable emotional pain too.  It hurts,
> it is frustrating when, after years trying to discover what is happening
> with your body, you finally receive an answer, and do need to fight against
> the State and the private health plan you contracted a decade ago and is f*
> expensive.  Just for economic reference, I could use this money for
> visiting you once a month before all the COVID-19 stuff.

Yeah, injuries often suck. But they're also useful feedback. And in a
way, who we are is the sum of of our scars.

> At least, I do love my lawyer.  When I look to the mirror, she still smiles
> to me, even working for free.  I am an egocentric bastard and I still
> remember how life is sweet when you don't feel any pain.  First, I will get
> the freedom back for me.  After it, without pain, I will try to get the
> same sweet sensation for other people.  Nobody deserves to feel pain and/or
> fear, darling.

I'm glad that you're feeling optimistic Ceci :)

> In the moment, I am not a so good writer like I used to be and it's pretty
> scary for me.  In the last three months, my doctor and I tried several
> medicines for avoiding the extreme levels of pain, but the chemicals make
> my writing so... hmm...  meh!  :-/

I hope that gabapentin isn't one of them. It's often used for
neuropathic pain. But most of the clinical trial data is bullshit.
Pfizer bribed physicians to produce positive results. It's bad shit,
with lots of nasty side effects. Basically it makes you crazy: tired,
confused, aggressive, and suicidal. But don't just stop. That's also
very dangerous :(

> And there are stupid mistakes, specially in French, because I learn a
> language using its sounds first, not its writing...  Or, at least, try to
> do it.  Sorry, my fault, I know I am a disaster with all languages, in
> special German Sauerkraut recipes!  My last try exploded in the kitchen a
> few days ago and my nose is still screaming, full of horror...  :-/
> 
> (Do you remember my past Sauerkraut disasters, Mirimir?  Tor-Talk list
> before being kickbanned, for example, hahahaha!!)

Yeah, fermentation in sealed containers can be too exciting.

> So, I prefer the pain and a, more or less, decent writing in Brazilian
> Portuguese, my native language, even being slower.  My English always
> stinks, with or without pain, so no considerable problem.

Your English is fine :) And it'd be a hassle to read Portuguese.

> I just need time and patience for learning a bit more about Medicine.

Medical systems and pharmaceutical firms need better legal oversight,
for sure. As you know from experience.

> Disinfected tender kisses and hugs.  Take care, dear all!  <3
> 
> Ceci
> 
>> --
> Loving.  Caring.  Sharing.  Being Excellent To Each Other And To Our
> Hackerspace.  <3
> --
> "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your
> curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on and do all
> you can with it, and make it the life you want to live."  -  Mae Jemison
> 

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 00:19 \0xDynamite  wrote:

>  You sound cool.  Your picture doesn't show a disgraceful person

Oh, sorry, my fault!  Never remember to use filters or photo programs to
make me look me desperately miserable.  This is the reason I like this
pic.  It's just me and a Totoro hat.

> (But some problems are sooo fucking boring...  Me too, I know.  Sorry,
> bad mood.  Need more sugar.)
>
> Now, now, what's your problem with yourself?
>

Devastating physical pain and considerable emotional pain too.  It hurts,
it is frustrating when, after years trying to discover what is happening
with your body, you finally receive an answer, and do need to fight against
the State and the private health plan you contracted a decade ago and is f*
expensive.  Just for economic reference, I could use this money for
visiting you once a month before all the COVID-19 stuff.

At least, I do love my lawyer.  When I look to the mirror, she still smiles
to me, even working for free.  I am an egocentric bastard and I still
remember how life is sweet when you don't feel any pain.  First, I will get
the freedom back for me.  After it, without pain, I will try to get the
same sweet sensation for other people.  Nobody deserves to feel pain and/or
fear, darling.

In the moment, I am not a so good writer like I used to be and it's pretty
scary for me.  In the last three months, my doctor and I tried several
medicines for avoiding the extreme levels of pain, but the chemicals make
my writing so... hmm...  meh!  :-/

And there are stupid mistakes, specially in French, because I learn a
language using its sounds first, not its writing...  Or, at least, try to
do it.  Sorry, my fault, I know I am a disaster with all languages, in
special German Sauerkraut recipes!  My last try exploded in the kitchen a
few days ago and my nose is still screaming, full of horror...  :-/

(Do you remember my past Sauerkraut disasters, Mirimir?  Tor-Talk list
before being kickbanned, for example, hahahaha!!)

So, I prefer the pain and a, more or less, decent writing in Brazilian
Portuguese, my native language, even being slower.  My English always
stinks, with or without pain, so no considerable problem.

I just need time and patience for learning a bit more about Medicine.

Disinfected tender kisses and hugs.  Take care, dear all!  <3

Ceci

> --
Loving.  Caring.  Sharing.  Being Excellent To Each Other And To Our
Hackerspace.  <3
--
"Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your
curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on and do all
you can with it, and make it the life you want to live."  -  Mae Jemison

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 07/04/2020 03:29 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 19:50:10 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> I just saw a link to Zeberg and Pääbo (2020) The major genetic risk bla bla 
> 
> 
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
> 
>   oops, government 'science' looks kinda fucked up...  ^-^ 

That's a cheap shot ;)

And yes, there is a "replication crisis", but it's mostly about psychology.

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/28/2020 09:17 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 17:51:07 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:



>> However, it's  likely that some populations are more susceptible than 
>> others, so it's
>> not as extreme as bananas (clones) or even typical agricultural crops.
> 
>   yeah the asians are most susceptible. Oh, wait! That was YET ANOTHER 
> bullshit claim, but it turns out that flu hysteria in places like china, 
> korea or japan was over months ago or has a pretty low number of cases - or 
> both. 

I just saw a link to Zeberg and Pääbo (2020) The major genetic risk
factor for severe COVID-19 is inherited from Neandertals.[0] The
abstract follows:

| A recent genetic association study (Ellinghaus et al. 2020)
| identified a gene cluster on chromosome 3 as a risk locus for
| respiratory failure in SARS-CoV-2. Recent data comprising
| 3,199 hospitalized COVID-19 patients and controls reproduce
| this and find that it is the major genetic risk factor for
| severe SARS-CoV-2 infection and hospitalization (COVID-19
| Host Genetics Initiative). Here, we show that the risk is
| conferred by a genomic segment of ~50 kb that is inherited
| from Neandertals and occurs at a frequency of ~30% in south
| Asia and ~8% in Europe.

Maybe we ought to protect old people, those with serious health
problems, and carriers of this genetic sequence, and let everyone else
get on with their lives.



0) https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.03.186296v1.full.pdf

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Zig the N.g]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:08:54AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:45:29 -0400
> Karl  wrote:
> 
> 
> > Punk-Stasi, I think I see you agreeing with Mirimir on some points in this
> > thread.
> 
>   well Mirimir agreed with me when I said this 'covid' thing is a charade 
> (it's a farce too), but he also wrote a bunch of propaganda, so I don't 
> know...
> 
> 
> > 
> > Are you letting us know that white supremacists have orchestrated
> > everyone's behavior into voluntarily quarantining themselves, 
> 
>   Hundreds of millions of people or more were put under house arrest. 
> There's nothing 'voluntary' about that. 
> 
>   And it wasn't done by white supremacists...alone. The white 
> supremacists comment was just a side note on Mirimir's indirectly mentioning 
> the chinese-raw-bat bullshit...that appeals to your typical western racist. 


You should change your name to "Bat-Soup Stasi 2.0" :)


> > turning our
> > attention away from how differently covid-19 has been handled compared to
> > past similar diseases, such that while we think we are engaging important
> > issues and standing up for our values, we are actually ignoring what is
> > really going on?
> 
>   Yes that part is about right. People are ignoring what's actually going 
> on.
> 
>  
> > K
> > 
> > >
> > There is proof inside many peoples' electronics.  Proof that a marketing
> > group would contract development of a frightening virus.  A virus that
> > responds to peoples' keystrokes and browsing habits, and changes what
> > people see on their devices.  A virus that alters political behavior en
> > masse, for profit.
> 
> 
>   windows 10? android? crapple's i-crap? all of them and more? Ah, look 
> at the Incredible Virtue of Murican Big Business Free Enterprise! Not even a 
> single murican company fails to be evil as fuck.


A marketing (brain programming) AI inside my phone?  ...  Nahh .. that's gotta 
be just a conspiracy, right?

Tell me it ain't not so...

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/29/2020 09:45 AM, Karl wrote:



> Punk-Stasi, I think I see you agreeing with Mirimir on some points in this
> thread.

Agreeing or disagreeing with Punk-Stasi are ~equally pointless. Because
whatever you agree with, he'll pretend that he was being ironic, and
criticize you for agreeing with him.

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[\0xDynamite]

> And, I ask pardon, but now I am completely sure that my life is a disgraceful 
> shit, but I do love it.  I do love being alive.  It's always fucking 
> interesting and my memories are part of who I am now.  My memories, fears, 
> and traums can be scary or sad, but are important part of my life.  So I can 
> live with them pretty well, I think.  Or I die trying it.  ;)

You sound cool.  Your picture doesn't show a disgraceful person.

> (But some problems are sooo fucking boring...  Me too, I know.  Sorry, bad 
> mood.  Need more sugar.)

Now, now, what's your problem with yourself?

Mark

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Cecilia Tanaka]

PS:  - Just in case, I was not using stupid masks.  They were feeling bad
and, in some way, watching my face was comfortable to most of them,
specially the children.  They always think I am funny.

I gave up Criminology area when much younger, before ending the Law degree,
because of a kid's corpse.  It was fucking brutal watching it.  His father
should protect and love him, not kill him.  It was the second dead child of
my life and definitely it was enough, but had to watch more children
corpses in the last months.  And lots and lots of people older and younger
than me.

And, I ask pardon, but now I am completely sure that my life is a
disgraceful shit, but I do love it.  I do love being alive.  It's always
fucking interesting and my memories are part of who I am now.  My memories,
fears, and traums can be scary or sad, but are important part of my life.
So I can live with them pretty well, I think.  Or I die trying it.  ;)

(But some problems are sooo fucking boring...  Me too, I know.  Sorry, bad
mood.  Need more sugar.)

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/28/2020 09:17 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 17:51:07 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:



>   Anything can be argued on this list =)

Fair enough. The truth is that I'm reminded yet again how frustrating it
is to argue with you ;)

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/28/2020 01:06 AM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 23:31:32 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Well, it's a different type of virus. And it may well be one where
>> immunity after infection and recovery doesn't last very long, and where
>> vaccines won't work. 
> 
>   That's just...fear mongering propaganda =) - X 'may' be Y...Pigs 'may' 
> fly if you throw them off a rooftop, etc. 

There's ~zero doubt that pigs can't fly. But the length of immunity
after recovery from COVID-19 is clearly an open question. If for no
other reason than having just several months of data. And we won't
likely have a useful answer until 2022.

>> If that's the case, it could be a fuckload worse
>> than another kind of flu. But ask me again next year this time.
> 
>   Next year two things may happen. Either the flu will be again 
> misrepresented as some horrible pest that 'could' exterminate the human 
> race...or it won't, and the flu PSYOP will be replaced by some New And 
> Improved PSYOP.

It's not a type of influenza. The common cold is generally caused
coronaviruses and rhinoviruses. So if anything, COVID-19 is basically a
bad cold ;)

>>> And even if that were the case, it's just how the natural world works. 
>>> There are ups and downs. 
>>
>> I do agree with that. And one aspect of "how the natural world works" is
>> that monocultures are vulnerable to decimation by pathogens. So COVID-19
>> is just a natural response to human overpopulation. 
> 
>   That's assuming that humans are a monoculture which I don't think they 
> are, 

>From the perspective of a virus, they pretty much are. However, it's
likely that some populations are more susceptible than others, so it's
not as extreme as bananas (clones) or even typical agricultural crops.

> although no doubt govcorp is working hard on making everbody a mass produced 
> robot. 

Yeah, no doubt.

>   But again you're assuming that the flu is some kind of terrible pest 
> although the plain facts show that's not the case. As to overpopulation, 
> that's more a matter of opinion than fact. I  don't mean to defend the 
> current consumerist 'culture' but I don't think it's necessarily close to 
> breaking point yet (sadly).

Again, it's not influenza. And about overpopulation, many do think that
we're close to the breaking point. But whatever, it's pointless to argue
about it on this list.


>> And there's no
>> reason to think that there won't be more. The rate of zoonotic disease
>> outbreaks has increased about five fold in recent decades.
> 
>   ...yeah the subhuman chinese eat raw bats =)

Indeed, that's one aspect. SARS and COVID-19 came from Chinese eating
bats. Ebola came from Africans eating bushmeat: bats (ebola) and
nonhuman primates (HIV). MERS came from camels in Saudi Arabia, and
perhaps originally from bats. So yeah, gotta watch out for bats.

>>> exactly like the always since there living things appeared on earth. 
>>> Old and sick people die. Of anything. See how fucking insane - and 
>>> ridiculous the charade is?
>>
>> Well, being so old, I'd rather not be surrounded by people infected with
>> COVID-19. And fortunately, I live in an area with very few of them.
> 
> 
>   You can isolate yourself however you see fit. But voluntary quarantine 
> is obviously NOT what this is about. 

I also isolate myself from the cesspool of popular culture :)

>>> The obvious objective of the charade is to thighten controls 
>>> over...everything. 
>>
>> It does seem that way, doesn't it? Opportunism seems more likely than
>> conspiracy, but you could be right.
> 
> 
>   Most of the conspiracy I see here is that it's possible for govcorp to 
> tell a blatant lie and the serfs just go along with it. 

Yes, sadly enough.

>   Technofascism and 'science' worship come into play because the typical 
> product of public 'education' who believes in the 'progress' of technology 
> also believes whatever the 'scientists' say. So it's quite easy for govcorp 
> to pretend that some strain of the flu is the New Biological Apocalypsis. And 
> yet...

I am a hardcore materialist, and I do consider the scientific method to
be the best approach for understanding stuff. I'd rather be a god than
worship one (or a goddess). So variation and selection are my deities.

>   "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_error
>   Globally, it is estimated that 142,000 people died in 2013 from adverse 
> effects of medical treatment; this is an increase from 94,000 in 1990.[1] 
> However, a 2016 study of the number of deaths that were a result of medical 
> error in the U.S. placed the yearly death rate in the U.S. alone at 251,454 
> deaths, which suggests that the 2013 global estimation may not be accurate."

That's for sure a serious issue. But that's about physicians, and they
are not at all scientists. They're more like witch doctors.

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/27/2020 11:08 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 22:27:55 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>>> I guess you didn't even bother looking at the age of the people 
>>> allegedly killed by the 'virus'?  So, do your homework, read wikimierda. 
>>
>> Sure, COVID-19 is mainly killing older people. Looking at various online
>> sources, almost half of fatalities were over 75.
> 
> 
>   roughly half of the fatalities are people over the 'average life 
> expectancy'. They are already dead, statistically speaking. 
> 
>> About 25% were 65-74,
>> and about 22% were 45-64. Only about 5% were under 45. And yes, for all
>> age groups, most of the fatalities had underlying health conditions.
> 
>   so the current PSYOP is just the flu rebranded. And not even the flu as 
> the direct cause but just a factor. 

Well, it's a different type of virus. And it may well be one where
immunity after infection and recovery doesn't last very long, and where
vaccines won't work. If that's the case, it could be a fuckload worse
than another kind of flu. But ask me again next year this time.

>   "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza
> Influenza spreads around the world in yearly outbreaks, resulting in about 
> three to five million cases of severe illness and about 290,000 to 650,000 
> deaths" 

It's too early to compare.

>> But most of those people arguably died sooner that they would have, but
>> for COVID-19. Maybe not a lot sooner, I admit. But in the most heavily
>> affected areas, total death rates _did_ increase.
> 
>   compared to what?

Compared to historical averages.

> And even if that were the case, it's just how the natural world works. There 
> are ups and downs. 

I do agree with that. And one aspect of "how the natural world works" is
that monocultures are vulnerable to decimation by pathogens. So COVID-19
is just a natural response to human overpopulation. And there's no
reason to think that there won't be more. The rate of zoonotic disease
outbreaks has increased about five fold in recent decades.

>> Anyway, I do get the argument that it would have made more sense,
>> overall, to just let everyone get infected, 
> 
>   that's not my point. My point is that this is a ridiculous charade. 

I do tend to agree with that.

>> and let all the old and
>> infirm just die. 
> 
>   exactly like the always since there living things appeared on earth. 
> Old and sick people die. Of anything. See how fucking insane - and ridiculous 
> the charade is?

Well, being so old, I'd rather not be surrounded by people infected with
COVID-19. And fortunately, I live in an area with very few of them.

>   the 'humanitarian' retards supposedly want to stop death - though of 
> course only death caused by their imaginary threat. Nobody is talking about, 
> say, banning cars, which certainly would save a lot of lifes and limbs. Or 
> banning war? War is peace!

Truth.

>> That would arguably have avoided the huge economic
>> shitstorm that we'll be facing for the rest of the decade.
> 
>>
>> And damn, if you welcome the shitstorm, why complain so loudly about the
>> proximate cause? Isn't it all for the lulz?
>   
>   well, one of the good consequences is that children weren't mind raped 
> in schools for a few months. As to the a possible economic shitstorm, I don't 
> think it will happen. 

Time will tell.

>   The obvious objective of the charade is to thighten controls 
> over...everything. 

It does seem that way, doesn't it? Opportunism seems more likely than
conspiracy, but you could be right.

>   Hey, didn't you see the Emperor of the Cyphperpunks, Sir Jim Bell 
> advocating for more fascist surveillance? 

No comment.

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/27/2020 09:38 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 19:41:45 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 06/27/2020 07:34 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:00:19 -0700
>>> Mirimir  wrote:
>>>
 On 06/27/2020 04:29 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> Curious and strangely uncomfortable...  :-/
>
> <
> https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/verizon-teases-forthcoming-dss-launch-for-nationwide-5g/2020/06
>>
>
> COVID killing people, 5G, and other dreams since...  this f* year, ouch!
> (>_<)*

 Yeah, it's been a fucking horrible year, so far :(
>>>
>>> 'covid' doesn't exist, and 5G is a dream only for the technofascist 
>>> 'elites'. 
>>
>> OK, so what do you say is killing all those people?
> 
> 
>   I guess you didn't even bother looking at the age of the people 
> allegedly killed by the 'virus'?  So, do your homework, read wikimierda. 

Sure, COVID-19 is mainly killing older people. Looking at various online
sources, almost half of fatalities were over 75. About 25% were 65-74,
and about 22% were 45-64. Only about 5% were under 45. And yes, for all
age groups, most of the fatalities had underlying health conditions.

But most of those people arguably died sooner that they would have, but
for COVID-19. Maybe not a lot sooner, I admit. But in the most heavily
affected areas, total death rates _did_ increase.

Anyway, I do get the argument that it would have made more sense,
overall, to just let everyone get infected, and let all the old and
infirm just die. That would arguably have avoided the huge economic
shitstorm that we'll be facing for the rest of the decade.

And damn, if you welcome the shitstorm, why complain so loudly about the
proximate cause? Isn't it all for the lulz?

>>> and that would be so incredibly amazing. Side note, the correct 
>>> spelling is CESSPOOL, not 'civilization'. 
>>
>> Yeah, I'd like to see that, in maybe 10-15 years. Because I'd be almost
>> dead then, and the "I told you so" rush would be sweet. But it would
>> suck if it happens before I'm ready to die.
> 
> 
>   haha...
> 
> 

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Douglas Lucas]

See below.

On 2020-06-28 02:48, Douglas Lucas wrote:
> See below.
> 
> On 2020-06-28 02:23, Mirimir wrote:
>> Well, the US dollar may soon be toast. Maybe down 20%-30% by 2021, and
>> might be replaced by a gold-backed greenback within a few years (if the
>> US can find enough gold, anyway). And/or cryptocurrencies ;)
> 
> There was a sign at a grocery store here in Seattle this evening,
> something like: "Cash payments require exact change due to nationwide
> coin shortage." And in the greater Seattle area, an electronic sign
> along the road last week, I assume from an official entity, flashing the
> message: "July 4th is cancelled." I should take pics of both...

To be precise, it was "Cash payments *may require

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Douglas Lucas]

See below.

On 2020-06-28 02:23, Mirimir wrote:
> Well, the US dollar may soon be toast. Maybe down 20%-30% by 2021, and
> might be replaced by a gold-backed greenback within a few years (if the
> US can find enough gold, anyway). And/or cryptocurrencies ;)

There was a sign at a grocery store here in Seattle this evening,
something like: "Cash payments require exact change due to nationwide
coin shortage." And in the greater Seattle area, an electronic sign
along the road last week, I assume from an official entity, flashing the
message: "July 4th is cancelled." I should take pics of both...

Doug

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/27/2020 07:34 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:00:19 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 06/27/2020 04:29 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>>> Curious and strangely uncomfortable...  :-/
>>>
>>> <
>>> https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/verizon-teases-forthcoming-dss-launch-for-nationwide-5g/2020/06

>>>
>>> COVID killing people, 5G, and other dreams since...  this f* year, ouch!
>>> (>_<)*
>>
>> Yeah, it's been a fucking horrible year, so far :(
> 
>   'covid' doesn't exist, and 5G is a dream only for the technofascist 
> 'elites'. 

OK, so what do you say is killing all those people?

And are you literally claiming that the virus doesn't exist, and that
there's a global conspiracy behind it all?

>> And the rest of the year could well be worse. As in global financial
>> meltdown. 
> 
>   that would be great 

I don't know that I'd go that far. I do see the ecological benefit, of
course. And my Bitcoin and precious metals (physical) would be worth
more, relative to stuff. But then, maybe there'd be food shortages, no
electricity, and so on. Which would suck.

>> And the rest of the decade could bring the end of our entire
>> civilization. 
>   
>   and that would be so incredibly amazing. Side note, the correct 
> spelling is CESSPOOL, not 'civilization'. 

Yeah, I'd like to see that, in maybe 10-15 years. Because I'd be almost
dead then, and the "I told you so" rush would be sweet. But it would
suck if it happens before I'm ready to die.

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/27/2020 05:41 PM, Douglas Lucas wrote:
> See below.
> 
> On 2020-06-28 00:00, Mirimir wrote:
>> And the rest of the year could well be worse. As in global financial
>> meltdown. And the rest of the decade could bring the end of our entire
>> civilization. AKA the Jackpot. Or at least, over the inflection point.
> 
> The term "the Jackpot" of course comes from William Gibson's 2014
> science fiction novel The Peripheral.

Yeah, I should have mentioned that. But hey, every cpunk knows that, no?

> There's nowadays a subreddit r/collapse where redditors discuss, well,
> "the collapse", that being their term.
> 
> I've been wondering for a while - what other terms, from science fiction
> or Internet subcultures or elsewhere - are there for this current thing
> humanity is experiencing? Besides "the Jackpot" and "the collapse", can
> anyone list any additional widely or significantly used ones?

Some sort of collapse is a standard start for dystopian fiction. Decades
ago, it was typically global nuclear war. However, I do recall some SF
where it was toxic chemical pollution. Now it's often global climate
change. That's a huge piece of Gibson 's Jackpot. Along with pandemics
:\ It's also a key aspect of the back story in Watts' _Blindsight_ and
_Echopraxia_. But I don't recall that Watts has a name for it.

> (Not to mention, just, an anthropogenic mass extinction event. Cue
> reactionaries on this list freaking out because they are primed to
> protect dolla dolla bill from evidence of global warming etc.)

Well, the US dollar may soon be toast. Maybe down 20%-30% by 2021, and
might be replaced by a gold-backed greenback within a few years (if the
US can find enough gold, anyway). And/or cryptocurrencies ;)

> Doug
> 

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 21:00 Mirimir  wrote:

>
> But hey, maybe I'll be dead (not just inside) so I won't care ;)
>

No, you won't die.  Sorry, people like us have no much luck in this
specific point.  Unfortunately, we will live enough for meeting each other
in person.  Really frustrating, tsc tsc...  ;)

Patience, please.  I cannot die now, my lovely Mirimir.  Sincerely sorry.
I promised to keep myself alive, sane, and enoughly healthy for being an
efficient panic button to some people for some time.

Absolutely boring and exhaustive, not charming at all, but necessary in the
moment.  They are more useful to the world than me, la la la...  They
always are, aff...  And two of them do hate me!

(Yep!  Grumpy cat feelings!  Think I need sugar or my bad mood will kill
people soon.  Don't worry, my stress is making me lose weight in a scary
way!  ;)

Ah, before I forget asking it again, do you want to try a conspiracy using
a completely public list just for fun?  No much free time and patience for
it now, but could be an interesting experience in the future...  puuu...

Ah!  Not using this cute list and our names in the first experience, just
to keep everyone safe.

I do love you.  Keep yourself pretty safe too, please!  <3

>

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Douglas Lucas]

See below.

On 2020-06-28 00:00, Mirimir wrote:
> And the rest of the year could well be worse. As in global financial
> meltdown. And the rest of the decade could bring the end of our entire
> civilization. AKA the Jackpot. Or at least, over the inflection point.

The term "the Jackpot" of course comes from William Gibson's 2014
science fiction novel The Peripheral.

There's nowadays a subreddit r/collapse where redditors discuss, well,
"the collapse", that being their term.

I've been wondering for a while - what other terms, from science fiction
or Internet subcultures or elsewhere - are there for this current thing
humanity is experiencing? Besides "the Jackpot" and "the collapse", can
anyone list any additional widely or significantly used ones?

(Not to mention, just, an anthropogenic mass extinction event. Cue
reactionaries on this list freaking out because they are primed to
protect dolla dolla bill from evidence of global warming etc.)

Doug

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/27/2020 04:29 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> Curious and strangely uncomfortable...  :-/
> 
> <
> https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/verizon-teases-forthcoming-dss-launch-for-nationwide-5g/2020/06
>>
> 
> COVID killing people, 5G, and other dreams since...  this f* year, ouch!
> (>_<)*

Yeah, it's been a fucking horrible year, so far :(

And the rest of the year could well be worse. As in global financial
meltdown. And the rest of the decade could bring the end of our entire
civilization. AKA the Jackpot. Or at least, over the inflection point.

But hey, maybe I'll be dead (not just inside) so I won't care ;)

[OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Cecilia Tanaka]

Curious and strangely uncomfortable...  :-/

<
https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/verizon-teases-forthcoming-dss-launch-for-nationwide-5g/2020/06
>

COVID killing people, 5G, and other dreams since...  this f* year, ouch!
(>_<)*