Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-20 Thread juan
On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:43:19 -0500
John Newman  wrote:


> 
> When does someone with gender dysphoria 
> who has had 
> their cock chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, 
> has breasts implanted, legally changed their name, takes female
> hormones / estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she? 


I think the 'technical' answer to your question is : if you
want to turn a male into a female then your 'ex' male must have
the  same biological capabilities that females have : in the
case of mammals that means tits that produce milk and a
working womb. And the associated sensory system that produce
sexual pleasuer must be working as well. 


I just remembered a relevant joke : do you know what's the most
painful part of the process to turn a man into a 'transgender'
woman? It's the operation to make the brain smaller. 

I can say that sort of thing because the drones of the
amazon-google-american government don't reach argentina
yet, but I guess that if an 'american' said that he
would be automatically droned at once.










Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-18 Thread juan
On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:43:19 -0500
John Newman  wrote:

> has had  their cock chopped off 

Now, that's an interesting one. Cutting your dick off seems
like a nasty thing to do to yourself. And cutting your dick off
is of course a brutal form of castration. And castration is
something one would expect a feminazi, anti-sex mock 'culture'
like the americunt-western 'culture' to encourage. 




Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-18 Thread John Newman


> On Jan 18, 2018, at 7:06 PM, juan  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:43:19 -0500
> John Newman  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan  wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500
>>> grarpamp  wrote:
>>> 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
>>> 
>>>"we don't need more or better leaders" 
>>> 
>>>that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
>>>himself. 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> When does someone with gender dysphoria 
> 
> 
>what is that?  oh, it's pseudo scientific jargon from
>the  psychiatric mafia - same mafia who useed to 'cure'
>homosexuality with a lobotomy. Same criminal scum who 'cure'
>'ADHD' by drugging children with meth. Et cetera.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> who has had 
>> their cock chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, 
>> has breasts implanted, legally changed their name, takes female
>> hormones / estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she? 
> 
>I don't know. Overall I think people can do whatever they want
>with their bodies. Likewise, I'm free to say whatever I want
>and not have my speech dictated...by anyone. 
> 
> 
>> 
>> I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems 
>> silly to deny someone the right to assert their own gender, 
> 
>
>you mean, I have no right to free speech? 
> 


Yup! You’re muzzled. That’s my end game. Hmm I don’t think it worked?  ;)


> 
> 
>> especially when they're willing to go to such lengths. I
>> don't give a fuck about being PC, it just seems like a silly
>> thing to quibble and make a big deal over. 
> 
>Right. What pronoun I use to refer to manning isn't too
>important is it? 
> 
>Now, it seems rather clear to me that the more totalitarian and
>criminally derangedt the americunts get, the more they 'care'
>about 'oppressed' 'womemynz' and pronoun usage. 
> 
>Do you see the pattern? It's a form of camouflage. The more
>advanced the american canger gets, the more money the banks
>print, more countries they invade, more backdoored hardware
>they sell, the more 'progressive' they pretend to be. 
> 
>I wouldn't like to play into the hands of those people. 
> 

I don’t really feel like I’m playing into anyone’s hand. To me it has
absolutely jack fucking shit to do with state rhetoric. But, you know,
to each their own.. (thoughts and words)..


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 287k views
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
 
>>> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/
 
 Big respect and support.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>no, fuck any politician.
> 



Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-18 Thread juan
On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:43:19 -0500
John Newman  wrote:

> 
> 
> On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan  wrote:
> >On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500
> >grarpamp  wrote:
> >
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
> >
> > "we don't need more or better leaders" 
> >
> > that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
> > himself. 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> When does someone with gender dysphoria 


what is that?  oh, it's pseudo scientific jargon from
the  psychiatric mafia - same mafia who useed to 'cure'
homosexuality with a lobotomy. Same criminal scum who 'cure'
'ADHD' by drugging children with meth. Et cetera.




> who has had 
> their cock chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, 
> has breasts implanted, legally changed their name, takes female
> hormones / estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she? 

I don't know. Overall I think people can do whatever they want
with their bodies. Likewise, I'm free to say whatever I want
and not have my speech dictated...by anyone. 


> 
> I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems 
> silly to deny someone the right to assert their own gender, 


you mean, I have no right to free speech? 



> especially when they're willing to go to such lengths. I
> don't give a fuck about being PC, it just seems like a silly
> thing to quibble and make a big deal over. 

Right. What pronoun I use to refer to manning isn't too
important is it? 

Now, it seems rather clear to me that the more totalitarian and
criminally derangedt the americunts get, the more they 'care'
about 'oppressed' 'womemynz' and pronoun usage. 

Do you see the pattern? It's a form of camouflage. The more
advanced the american canger gets, the more money the banks
print, more countries they invade, more backdoored hardware
they sell, the more 'progressive' they pretend to be. 

I wouldn't like to play into the hands of those people. 












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> >> 287k views
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> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
> >>
> >https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/
> >> 
> >> Big respect and support.
> >
> >
> > no, fuck any politician.



Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-18 Thread juan
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 12:57:01 -0800
g2s  wrote:


> You REALLY need to look at Manning's twitterfeed. You're missing the
> point entirely. Rr


sorry I don't  bother with twatter but maybe you can sum up
the points for us? Is manning using a political campaign to
'educate' people? 

Seems to me that manning doesn't really understand what the US
government is, even after being thoroughly fucked by them. I
might be wrong tho so if you have some interesting stuff from
manning the anarchist, please link it.




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Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-18 Thread Marina Brown
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On 01/18/2018 03:58 PM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
> On January 18, 2018 2:39:53 PM EST, Marina Brown
>  wrote: On 01/18/2018 01:43 PM, John
> Newman wrote:
 
 
 On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan
  wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500 grarpamp
>  wrote:
> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
> 
> "we don't need more or better leaders"
> 
> that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
>  himself.
> 
> 
 
 
 When does someone with gender dysphoria who has had their
 cock chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, has
 breasts implanted, legally changed their name, takes female
 hormones / estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she?
 
> 
> Um... I don't think she had any surgeries at all. Making
> assumptions, are we ?
> 
 I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems
 silly to deny someone the right to assert their own gender,
 especially when they're willing to go to such lengths. I
 don't give a fuck about being PC, it just seems like a silly
 thing to quibble and make a big deal over.
> 
> Have you been watching the world at all in the last 10 years ?
> 
> Chelsea Manning released litterally thousands of diplomatic cables 
> for our reading enjoyment. Few of these were marked Top Secret
> most were confidential.
> 
> Personally i gained a lot of understanding of the way diplomacy
> works and a bit of entertainment at some of the bizzare stuff that
> got put in official diplomatic channels.
> 
> The thing she leaked that caused the most consternation was a
> video of US soldiers killing Journalists. I don't even think that
> was classified but it really upset a lot of people.
> 
> 
>> I meant I wasn't clear on how far she had taken the sex
>> conversion ;)

Nowadays a lot of trans people forgoe surgery and just do the
hormones.

The mark of the conversion is living full time as you are.

>> I'm up on everything else of course, the leaks and getting narced
>> on by that piece of shit Adrian Lamo.
> 

I don't know how she found herself trusting him. I was familiar with him
back then and he made my skin crawl. He reminded me of a high school
bully that befriends people just so they can betray them.


>> I was just basically trying to make an argument that if she wants
>> to be a she, what the hell does it matter?
> 

Seriously.

- -- Marina

> 
 
 
 
 
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>> 287k views
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
>> 
> 
> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campai
>
> 
gn-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-po
> wer/
>> 
>> 
> 
> Big respect and support.
> 
> 
> no, fuck any politician.
> 
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Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-18 Thread John Newman


On January 18, 2018 2:39:53 PM EST, Marina Brown  
wrote:
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>On 01/18/2018 01:43 PM, John Newman wrote:
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>> 
>> On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan 
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500 grarpamp 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
>>> 
>>> "we don't need more or better leaders"
>>> 
>>> that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck 
>>> himself.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> When does someone with gender dysphoria who has had their cock
>> chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, has breasts
>> implanted, legally changed their name, takes female hormones /
>> estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she?
>> 
>
>Um... I don't think she had any surgeries at all. Making assumptions,
>are we ?
>
>> I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems silly to
>> deny someone the right to assert their own gender, especially when
>> they're willing to go to such lengths. I don't give a fuck about
>> being PC, it just seems like a silly thing to quibble and make a
>> big deal over.
>
>Have you been watching the world at all in the last 10 years ?
>
>Chelsea Manning released litterally thousands of diplomatic cables
>for our reading enjoyment. Few of these were marked Top Secret most
>were confidential.
>
>Personally i gained a lot of understanding of the way diplomacy works
>and a bit of entertainment at some of the bizzare stuff that got put
>in official diplomatic channels.
>
>The thing she leaked that caused the most consternation was a video
>of US soldiers killing Journalists. I don't even think that was
>classified but it really upset a lot of people.
>

I meant I wasn't clear on how far she had taken the sex conversion ;)
I'm up on everything else of course, the leaks and getting 
narced on by that piece of shit Adrian Lamo.

I was just basically trying to make an argument that if she
wants to be a she, what the hell does it matter?


>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 287k views
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
 
>>>
>https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campai
>gn-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-po
>wer/


>>> 
>Big respect and support.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> no, fuck any politician.
>
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Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-18 Thread Marina Brown
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On 01/18/2018 01:43 PM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
> On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan 
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500 grarpamp 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
>> 
>> "we don't need more or better leaders"
>> 
>> that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck 
>> himself.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> When does someone with gender dysphoria who has had their cock
> chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, has breasts
> implanted, legally changed their name, takes female hormones /
> estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she?
> 

Um... I don't think she had any surgeries at all. Making assumptions,
are we ?

> I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems silly to
> deny someone the right to assert their own gender, especially when
> they're willing to go to such lengths. I don't give a fuck about
> being PC, it just seems like a silly thing to quibble and make a
> big deal over.

Have you been watching the world at all in the last 10 years ?

Chelsea Manning released litterally thousands of diplomatic cables
for our reading enjoyment. Few of these were marked Top Secret most
were confidential.

Personally i gained a lot of understanding of the way diplomacy works
and a bit of entertainment at some of the bizzare stuff that got put
in official diplomatic channels.

The thing she leaked that caused the most consternation was a video
of US soldiers killing Journalists. I don't even think that was
classified but it really upset a lot of people.

> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 287k views
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
>>> 
>> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campai
gn-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-po
wer/
>>>
>>>
>> 
Big respect and support.
>> 
>> 
>> no, fuck any politician.

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Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-18 Thread John Newman


On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan  wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500
>grarpamp  wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
>
>   "we don't need more or better leaders" 
>
>   that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
>   himself. 
>
>


When does someone with gender dysphoria who has had 
their cock chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, 
has breasts implanted, legally changed their name, takes female hormones / 
estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she? 

I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems 
silly to deny someone the right to assert their own gender, 
especially when they're willing to go to such lengths. I
don't give a fuck about being PC, it just seems like a silly
thing to quibble and make a big deal over. 




>
>
>
>> 287k views
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
>>
>https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/
>> 
>> Big respect and support.
>
>
>   no, fuck any politician.


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Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-17 Thread Marina Brown
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On 01/17/2018 03:57 PM, g2s wrote:
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>  Original message  From: juan  
> Date: 1/16/18 11:28 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
> cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Chelsea Manning For US
> Senator From Maryland
> 
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500 grarpamp 
> wrote:
> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
> 
> "we don't need more or better leaders"
> 
> that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck 
> himself.
> 
> 
> 

YOU REALLY ARE HATEFUL ASSHOLES.

IT'S A SHAME THAT THIS LIST HAS BEEN DESTROYED
BY AN INFESTATION OF BIGOTS AND FASCISTS.

- --- Marina



> 
> 
>> 287k views
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
>> 
> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaig
n-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-pow
er/
>>
>>
> 
Big respect and support.
> 
> 
> no, fuck any politician.
> 
> 
> 
> 8x Snip x8
> 
> 
> You REALLY need to look at Manning's twitterfeed. You're missing
> the point entirely.
> 
> Rr
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-17 Thread g2s

 Original message From: juan  Date: 1/16/18 
 11:28 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Chelsea 
Manning For US Senator From Maryland 
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500
grarpamp  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I

"we don't need more or better leaders" 

that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
himself. 





> 287k views
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/
> 
> Big respect and support.


no, fuck any politician.


8x Snip x8

You REALLY need to look at Manning's twitterfeed. You're missing the point 
entirely.
Rr






Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-17 Thread juan
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 04:27:32 -0500
grarpamp  wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:28 AM, juan  wrote:
> > "we don't need more or better leaders"
> > that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
> > himself.
> > no, fuck any politician.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5K3KCxWOY4
> http://KokeshForPresident.com/
> Adam Kokesh, the declared anarchist for US president 2020, too?

ha - in a way kokesh is worse than manning. Manning at least
doesn't say he's an anarchist. Also kokesh is an 'ex' US
military murderer (or accomplice) and unlike manning he never
betrayed his masters. 

On the other hand, if kokesh the anarchist actually got
elected  AND then managed to sabotage the government to a
meaningful degree, his idiosyncratic anarchism could be
justified. But since the chances of that happening are exactly
zero, all he's doing is parodying himself. Because anarchist for
president makes as much sense as pro-war pacifist.


> 
> Granted, she's running democrat.
> What about libertarians / pirates / full on anarchopunk moles
> running as [non]parties MP / for PM, that work for you?


something like a pirate party seems better since they are
supposed to be focused on a few particular issues. But how
succesful have the pirate parties been anyway? 

I might support the pornography-and-drugs party =)

 

> 
> Then what exactly is your solution?


you can do any sort of anti-govt activism without becoming a
member of the state. Becoming a member of the government to
fight the government is not a clever move. 

> 
> Sit in your lazy chair and keep letting both the 51% and 49%,
> or whatever unitary form applies, keep stealing from you by force
> so they can keep on murdering people?
> 
> Where does that stop?

it stops when the dictates of govt are ignored or violently
opposed, not when you ask the govt permission to do something
and follow their 'democratic' rules'. You know the saying,
paraphrasing, if democracy worked it would be outlawed.

(look at what the US 'libertarian' party has accomplished in
almost 50 years - both from electoral and educational point of
views)



 




Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-17 Thread grarpamp
On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:28 AM, juan  wrote:
> "we don't need more or better leaders"
> that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
> himself.
> no, fuck any politician.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5K3KCxWOY4
http://KokeshForPresident.com/
Adam Kokesh, the declared anarchist for US president 2020, too?

Granted, she's running democrat.
What about libertarians / pirates / full on anarchopunk moles
running as [non]parties MP / for PM, that work for you?

Then what exactly is your solution?

Sit in your lazy chair and keep letting both the 51% and 49%,
or whatever unitary form applies, keep stealing from you by force
so they can keep on murdering people?

Where does that stop?


Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-16 Thread juan
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500
grarpamp  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I

"we don't need more or better leaders" 

that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
himself. 





> 287k views
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/
> 
> Big respect and support.


no, fuck any politician.










Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

2018-01-16 Thread grarpamp
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/13/chelsea-manning-democrat-us-senate-maryland
https://twitter.com/xychelsea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
287k views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/

Big respect and support.