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Assassination Politics (1997) (jya.com)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32790951
http://jya.com/ap.htm
56 points by Tomte 14 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 35 comments

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_Analysis_Market


https://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2013101261A1.html


neilv 14 days ago | next [–]

I met the author, Jim Bell, once or twice, when he came by the
computer store I was working in as a kid.

He seemed OK, in the few words we exchanged, and maybe a techie/radio
hobbyist (IIRC, his car had many antennae on it).

At that time, in the 1980s, someone remarked that Bell had "had one
good idea" (the SemiDisk persistent storage card).

Later on, it looks from Wikipedia like Bell had a lot of troubles.

The light joke about "one good idea" IMHO took on new, darker meaning,
after some of the choices during the troubles, including the
horrifying idea that's the topic of the post.

I suppose a good SF writer could've started with that idea, and
explored an (IMHO likely) scenario of it playing out as a tool of the
most corrupt and the most insane, and then the dystopia that results
in.

I haven't read much of Bell's writings, so I don't know whether at
some point he shifted to a cautionary "we should figure out how to
prevent things like this, because they would be bad".



thomassmith65 14 days ago | parent | next [–]

Sheesh, so the article isn't satire? I assumed the whole thing was
making fun of libertarians.



santoshalper 14 days ago | root | parent | next [–]

The line between espousing libertarian beliefs and satirizing them is so thin.



droopyEyelids 14 days ago | root | parent | next [–]

The line dissolves when you ask a libertarian where property rights
come from, and how they apply to land.



asah 14 days ago | prev | next [–]

Lol. So many flaws... but nobody knew in 1997...

For one thing, life imprisonment (LiP) is a pretty big deterrent, and
among the few willing to risk it, defense tech and the surveillance
state are generally winning the arms race against individual actors
and small groups ("terrorists"). Lots of people want to kill world
leaders and yet assassination attempts (let alone successes!) are
quite rare. This leaves the question of less-defended people, and
there it's more mixed: it's much easier to do but 10^6-10^10 fewer
people want to kill them which makes it a lot easier to catch the
conspirators simply by tracking who had motive. Finally, everyday
victims don't usually have haters with enough capital to motivate
someone to risk LiP - again, making it easy to track down the perps by
motive.



impossiblefork 14 days ago | parent | next [–]

I don't think that's true, that it's fear of imprisonment etc. Such
things definitely matter, but I think the reason for the lack of
political assassinations is the same as why we don't get horrible
viruses that spread like wildfire and kill Ebola (which I believe to
be that bioscience professors aren't usually very evil).

People who could easily murder politicians and others just don't want
to. Perhaps they don't hate them all that much, perhaps they like
democracy even though it puts people they dislike into high positions,
perhaps they're opposed to murder.

We don't see mortar or drone attacks using image recognition (instead
of radio control which could conceivably fail if basic precautions had
been taken) on presidents and prime ministers in Europe even though
such attacks would be trivial and the perpetrators would probably have
a decent chance of getting away. It's because people don't hate them
all that much and because the people who hate them a lot don't see
such attacks as politically productive.

Presumably the reason unfriendly countries don't perform such attacks
against those governments that oppose them is that it's not
politically productive and would lead to a negative reaction instead
of just removing the people the unfriendly country would like to be
rid of.



Teever 14 days ago | root | parent | next [–]

> People who could easily murder politicians and others just don't want to. 
> Perhaps they don't hate them all that much, perhaps they like democracy even 
> though it puts people they dislike into high positions, perhaps they're 
> opposed to murder.

I've wondered what makes unstable Americans conduct school shootings
but not targeted assassinations?

Like, there is a part of the population that has no problem killing,
and killing for shock value, but for whatever reason their targets are
children and not politicians. The 1960s and 1970s were full of
assassinations and plane hijackings by all kinds of people but they
seem to have been replaced by the mass murder of children.



impossiblefork 14 days ago | root | parent | next [–]

I think it's fear of a power negative media reaction-- that the murder
would lead to success for the political position that the murderer
at

Re: Assassination Politics

Assassination Politics (1997) (cryptome.org)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6544251
http://cryptome.org/ap.htm
39 points by kilroy123 on Oct 13, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 62 
comments


https://twitter.com/pro2rat/status/389410900832038912
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/30/a-ceo-who-resisted-nsa-spying-is-out-of-prison-and-he-feels-vindicated-by-snowden-leaks/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D64KcZsD82E
https://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/as-always-stand-up-to-be-counted-and-youll-likely-be-shot-down-20130110-2cixc.html
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/20/civil-disobedience-sanchez-gordillo
https://www.amazon.com/Machine-Kills-Secrets-EmpowerWhistleblowers-ebook/dp/B007HUD7LU/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorative_justice
https://www.amazon.com/Anarchy-State-Utopia-Robert-Nozick/dp/0465097200/
https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Times-Revised-Edition-Perennial/dp/0060935502
https://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2013/07/in_case_of_revo.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_gubernatorial_recall_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment
https://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704009804575308440143301092.html
https://assmkedzgorodn7o.onion/


cryptome on Oct 13, 2013 | next [–]

Jim Bell is out of prison after 10 years and remains defiant and is
posting again on one of his original fora, cypherpunks. The archives
has Jim's recent posts:

http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/

Subscribe to cpunks: https://cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks

Then there is CJ, Carl Johnson, who was sent to prison for supporting
Bell. He is on Twitter among other places, also still promoting AP
defiantly: https://twitter.com/pro2rat

Neither are interested in remaining anonymous.



anthonyb on Oct 14, 2013 | parent | next [–]

Not just AP, but nuking people you don't like, too:
https://twitter.com/pro2rat/status/389410900832038912



triplesec on Oct 14, 2013 | root | parent | next [–]

This is the biggest issue with AP. Where down the line you stop, in
assassinating leaders? With what criteria?



rdl on Oct 14, 2013 | prev | next [–]

I got "invited" to federal court over this (I ran the mailing list
archive at MIT which USG used as evidence). I was outside the US at
the time, working on anon ecash in the Caribbean, so it was a request,
not a demand. I met Jennifer Granick as a result, and learned the "if
you can possibly avoid it, never ever set foot inside federal court"
rule, which has subsequently served me quite well.

Jim Bell probably tops weev as an unsympathetic defendant.



angersock on Oct 14, 2013 | parent | next [–]

I met Jennifer Granick as a result, and learned the "if you can
possibly avoid it, never ever set foot inside federal court" rule,
which has subsequently served me quite well.

Would you be able to elaborate on that any further?



rdl on Oct 14, 2013 | root | parent | next [–]

I was outside the USA, and it was just a request with no legal weight.
I stayed on a tiny island in the Caribbean for the duration of the
trial. (It wasn't a big deal to FBI, either -- I answered their
questions through counsel, and the whole thing was essentially a
formality. Jim Bell was posting to a public list for which I
maintained public archives, so I had no legal or moral duty to him or
anyone else.

I was 18 or 19, and almost went because it would have been a free trip
to DC and potentially interesting, but the correctly raised concern is
that I could have been ordered to remain available if I had been
there. Not worth the risk, especially since I wasn't particularly
helpful to anyone (I would have been fine with helping IRS CID when a
guy was posting personal threats on people publicly)

I actually tried to explain to both sides that my archiver wasn't
assured to be canonical; it was just a regular list subscriber, with a
simple to discover email address, and no inbound filtering (since cp
list addresses were distributed and constantly changing), so anyone
could post random messages to it. Even worse, sending a forged message
id with new content would overwrite the original message.



fiatmoney on Oct 13, 2013 | prev | next [–]

The saga of Jim Bell after the publication of that essay provides an
excellent case study in why people like "Satoshi" have an interest in
remaining as anonymous as possible.



csense on Oct 13, 2013 | parent | next [–]

I wasn't familiar with this, but Wikipedia knows of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell

There are many excellent reasons for remaining anonymous or
pseudonymous, both online and offline.

That being said, there's a vast difference between inventing a
disruptive technology and advocating (even in jest) the killing of
government officials.

I'm not taking the position that governments never unjustly haras

Re: Assassination Politics

Assassination Politics (archive.org)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=327329
http://web.archive.org/web/20041009113523/http://jya.com/ap.htm
5 points by eru on Oct 9, 2008 | hide | past | favorite | 1 comment

eru on Oct 9, 2008 [–]

Disturbing.




Assassination Politics (outpost-of-freedom.com)
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm
3 points by byrneseyeview on Feb 19, 2008 | hide | past | favorite | 1 
comment

randallsquared on Feb 19, 2008 [–]

Requires high-volume untraceable payments (digital cash), which
everyone thought was around the corner in the late 90s, but never
quite happened.

Re: Assassination Politics

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New directions in assassination markets (tor2web.org)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7765012
http://assmkedzgorodn7o.tor2web.org/blog/2014-05-18/new-directions-in-assassination-markets
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justintocci on May 19, 2014 [–]

This guy reminds me of the "lottery club" we had in my high school.
After a few years of no one winning, they graduated off with the
money.



sanjuro on May 19, 2014 | parent | next [–]

As I said, I've been doing this for 10 months at great risk to my
mental health. If this was only a scam, I would be an idiot, as there
are far easier ways to make money at a lower risk.

The point of this update is mainly to allow people to get their money
back. The old design did not allow for this and could easily allude to
the scenario you're reminded of. Now it's hardly a lottery at all,
except that the prediction mechanism reminds one of it. It's
crowdfunding.



krapp on May 19, 2014 | parent | prev [–]

Would a "new direction" for an assassination market be one that
actually worked as advertised?

Re: Assassination Politics

https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-causes-and-impact-of-political-assassinations/
https://ctc.westpoint.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Sentinel-January-2015-vol-8-issue-120.pdf

The Causes and Impact of Political Assassinations
January 2015, Volume 8, Issue 1
Authors: Arie Perliger
Categories: Terror Behavior , Weapons and Tactics , Individual Terrorist Actors

PDF

Political assassinations have been part of social reality since the
emergence of communal social frameworks, as the leaders of tribes,
villages, and other types of communities constantly needed to defend
their privileged status. In the ancient world assassination featured
prominently in the rise and fall of some of the greatest empires.

While many people are familiar with the military victories of
Alexander the Great, few today recall that his ascendance to power was
facilitated by the assassination of his father (an innovative and
talented politician in his own right), who was struck down by a
bodyguard as he was entering a theater to attend his daughter’s
marriage celebrations. In a somewhat more famous incident, Gaius
Julius Caesar was assassinated in 44 BCE by Roman senators who
increasingly feared that Caesar would revoke their privileges.

In modern times, political assassinations continue to play an
important role in political and social processes and, in some cases,
have a dramatic effect. For example, many argue that the assassination
of the Israeli Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin in 1995 was a major reason
for the collapse of the peace process between Israel and the
Palestinians.1 It is also difficult to deny the impact of the
assassinations of figures such as Martin Luther King or Benazir Bhutto
on the success of their political movements/parties following their
deaths.

Thus, it is not surprising that Appleton argues, “The impact of
assassinations on America and the World is incalculable,”2 and that
Americans cite the assassination of John F. Kennedy as the crime that
has had the greatest impact on American society in the last 100
years.3 Nonetheless, despite the apparently significant influence of
political assassinations on political and social realities, this
particular manifestation of political action is understudied and, as a
result, poorly understood.

This article is a summary of a broader study that will be published
later by the Combating Terrorism Center (CTC) and aims to improve our
understanding of the causes and implications of political
assassinations. It makes use of an original and comprehensive
worldwide data set of political assassinations between 1945 and 2013.
The findings illustrate the trends that characterize the phenomenon
and challenge some of the existing conventions about political
assassinations and their impact.

Data and Rationale
In order to investigate the causes and implications of political
assassinations, the CTC constructed a data set that includes political
assassinations worldwide from 1946 to early 2013. After defining
political assassinations as “an action that directly or indirectly
leads to the death of an intentionally targeted individual who is
active in the political sphere, in order to promote or prevent
specific policies, values, practices or norms pertaining to the
collective,” the CTC consulted a variety of resources, including
relevant academic books and articles, media sources (especially
LexisNexis and The New York Times archive), and online resources, to
identify 758 attacks by 920 perpetrators that resulted in the death of
954 individuals. (Some attacks led to the death of multiple political
leaders; however, the death of “bystanders” is not included in this
number.)

This study is guided by the rationale that the logic of political
assassinations is different from that of other manifestations of
political violence. Hence, it is important to understand the unique
factors that may encourage or discourage violent groups or individuals
from engaging in political assassinations. Moreover, it seems
reasonable to assume that these factors vary among different types of
assassinations because in most cases the characteristics of the
targeted individual shape the nature and objectives of the
assassination. Indeed, this study establishes that different processes
trigger different types of assassinations and that different types of
assassinations generate distinct effects on the political and social
arenas.

General Observations
Although the first two decades after World War II were characterized
by a limited number of political assassinations, the number of such
attacks has risen dramatically since the early 1970s. This is
reflective of the emergence of a new wave of terrorist groups, radical
and universal ideologies operating on a global scale, and a growing
willingness by oppressive regimes to use assassinations as a tool in
their treatment of political opposition. Indeed, while most
assassinations of government officials were perpetrated by sub-state
violent groups, most assassinations of oppo

Re: Assassination Politics

https://www.amazon.com/Assassination-Politics-Murder-Linda-Laucella/dp/1565656288
Assassination: The Politics of Murder - May 1, 1998
Documents the political assassinations that have changed the course of
history, looking at the victims, their assassins and their motives,
the political climate, conspiracy theories, and the aftermath.


https://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/AP.pdf
"Assassination Politics": I speculated on the question of whether an
organization could be set up to legally announce that it would be
awarding a cash prize to somebody who correctly "predicted" the death
of one of a list of violators of rights, usually either government
employees, officeholders, or appointees.

Re: Assassination Politics

https://www.ukessays.com/essays/politics/assassination-has-been-utilized-as-a-political-tool.php

Assassination has been utilized as a political tool

Published: 1st Jan 2015

Introduction

Assassination has been utilized as a political tool since the
beginning of recorded history, marking, altering, or determining the
course of events through murder. Even today, assassination and its
forms, including terrorism, continue to plague most nations throughout
the world. Additional acts of violence, such as ethnic tensions and
coups, executions, and civil wars, continue to frequent societies and
political systems in the 21st century. Unique to assassinations,
whether or not the act is successful does not always reflect failed
consequences; all too often, attempted assassinations are equally
impactful as complete, or deadly, assassinations.

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Assassinations and assassination attempts, particularly upon heads of
state, are often highly ranked in terms of political violence and
significance. Besides affecting or killing the victim, assassinations
have direct consequences upon critical political institutions and the
targeted individual’s nation as a whole. As studied and discussed by
political theorists and analysts, assassinations and assassination
attempts of important political figures have far-reaching political
and societal repercussions. Obviously affecting the targeted
government or nation, the sudden and unexpected murder of a head of
state or high-ranking official not only interferes with a nation’s
political effectiveness, but also promulgates terror and unrest within
a government. Most significantly, assassinations and attempts to
assassinate often disturb or change the focus of domestic and foreign
policy within a nation.

As previously mentioned, terrorism is closely related to assassination
and no discussion on the latter would be complete without a discussion
of the former as well. Besides an obvious systematic and deliberate
act of murder, terrorism can also be referred to as either a mass
assassination, or a terroristic assassination. Terrorism, according to
one source, is “assassinations contrived to create a fear sufficient
to destroy a whole system. Terrorism implies a movement whose
objective can only be achieved by repeated assassinations over
relatively long periods of time, for fear dissipates when pressure is
relaxed or exercised intermittently. Similar to assassinations,
terrorism has plagued and continues to plague many (if not most)
nations, often resulting in political chaos or upset. Furthermore, as
with assassinations, terrorism is also saturated with politics;
however, unlike assassinations, terrorism is employed through
strategy, fueled by religious or ecological motives, and carried out
with the ultimate goal of power. Although united by a common
denominator, murder, the conceptual differences between assassinations
and terrorism are profound and worth separate examination, for the
purpose of this study.
The Concept of Assassination

The violent act of assassination is defined as the murder of a (most
likely) political, royal, or public individual. The term is derived
from the order of the Assassins, which was an 11th and 12th century
Muslim sect that advanced its political goals by murdering
high-ranking officials. The origin of the word is assassiyun,Arabic
for fundamentalist, from the word assass, foundation. The suicide
squad of the Assassins, which was a militant arm of the Islamic
Isma’ili sect, was founded by Hassan Sabah and operated from the
Alamut cliff top fortress in the Elburz Mountains of Persia, now known
as northwestern Iran.

The Assassins, according to legend, were called hashishiyun, “smokers
of hashish,” by their enemies as the hashish was believed to be the
source of their visions—which commanded their violent acts. Marco Polo
even wrote of the sect and an impregnable fortress in the mountains of
Persia when detailing an account of his travels.

However, although the term assassination was not defined until the
Muslim sect materialized in the 11th century, their method or tool of
political murder had been in use since as early as 900 B.C. The
ancient Greeks and Romans did not have a word that corresponds with
our word assassination. “A killing was simply a means to an end; its
moral significance depended entirely on the nature of the person
killed” [italics original]. An individual who killed a public figure
was either a murderer or a tyrannicide, and the latter term was a
synonymous word for “liberator,” one who freed his country. According
to Cicero, some of the most celebrated figures in Greek and Roman
history were tyrant-killers. Brutus, who murdered Caesar, was born of
a long line of tyrant-killers. Undeniably, assassins make history.
The Concept of Terrorism

For the purpose of being thorough, it is worth examining the earliest
uses of the word terror.

Re: Assassination Politics

https://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2018/07/08/assassination-politics/
https://www.thoughtsaloud.com/author/troy/

Assassination Politics
July 8th, 2018 | Author: Troy

Note that I have started a fresh thread for this topic since we are
evidently going to continue debating what I consider a frivolous
topic. But I must do something to attempt to keep my aging brain alive
and this is as good as any I suppose.

Let me begin by illustrating what I consider one fatal flaw in
Jim/Bill’s reasoning using a direct quote from the essay (emphasis
added by me):

Imagine for a moment that as ordinary citizens were watching the
evening news, they see an act by a government employee or officeholder
that they feel violates their rights, abuses the public’s trust, or
misuses the powers that they feel should be limited…

First, if â€œtheyâ€  are watching the evening news, there is an almost
certain probability that â€œtheyâ€  are being misled to some extent.

Second, feeling is the result of an emotional reaction, not a
deliberate intellectual review of the facts, including attempts to
verify said facts from multiple sources.

This hardly constitutes the basis of a death sentence.

Now, focus on this very moment in time â€“ a number of Americans who
watch the evening news, feel that President Trump is separating
Hispanic children from their (possible) parents, presumably because
hes does not like children/Hispanics/people in general, and is keeping
them in dog kennel like cages. Never mind that the supporting photos
of children in kennels were taken during the Obama administration.

Would it not then follow that, given your AP proposal, Trump along
with a number of Border Patrol personnel should be assassinated? What
other conclusion could one arrive at? Yet, those who bother to examine
the situation intellectually realize that Trump is merely enforcing
laws duly passed by Congress and also enforced by previous
administrations. Yes, perhaps Trump has added a degree of added vigor
to the enforcement in an attempt to get the Congress off their
collective butts and do something for a change.

IMHO, in the situation under consideration, it is the Congress that
richly deserves every bit of the blame for a sorry situation that has
persisted for years â€“ yet feelings prompted by distortions on the
evening news lead to quite a different conclusion.

You go on to talk about the utility of killing various despots, past
and present, rather than engage in war with the nations they seem to
control. Do you really believe that a few evil people can control a
nation of millions without some level of consent from those millions,
even though that consent may be passive or fear driven? If the only
way to escape the yoke of a tyrant is by assassinating said tyrant,
then, by definition, the United States could never have happened. But
it did happen. And the Constitutional system of government bequeathed
to us by our founders transformed a rag-tag collection of ex-colonies
into the most free, most prosperous and most powerful nation in human
history in the historic blink of an eye. Why not simply revert to the
system they gave us before we became too spoiled to maintain it?

Can you not see why such your AP proposal alarms meâ€‹?

Think about it.

Troy L Robinson




19 Responses to “Assassination Politics”

â—„Daveâ–º says:
July 8, 2018 at 5:31 pm

I must do something to attempt to keep my aging brain aliveâ€¦

I am somewhat willing to assist you with this worthy endeavor,
Troy; but it will be difficult to take you seriously, if you persist
in labeling this topic frivolous, and categorizing it under humor
rather than debate. Since I contend that it is inevitable, I reckon
the subject infinitely more debatable, than anything one is likely to
see discussed on CNN or MSNBC these days.

If the only way to escape the yoke of a tyrant is by
assassinating said tyrant, then, by definition, the United States
could never have happened.

Are you really suggesting that none of the colonial
revolutionaries would have assassinated their tyrant, rather than
fight his army, if that option had been open to them? Why not? Too
“civilized”, perhaps?

â€¦into the most free, most prosperous and most powerful
nation in human historyâ€¦

Freeâ€¦ prosperousâ€¦ powerfulâ€¦ NATION? Belonging to a nation,
is the antithesis of being free. Troy, you will never be able to take
a discussion of this idea seriously, if you are unable to suspend your
deeply ingrained statist viewpoint, long enough to at least consider
the prospect of truly living a life of Liberty, at peace with your
neighbors and the rest of the world.

Why not simply revert to the system they gave usâ€¦?

Because it was not Liberty. Limited government is, by default,
limited freedom. Even if it were simple (or even possible) to revert
to it, with or without a bloody civil war, it would only be a matter
of time until it again evolved into tyranny. It could

Re: Assassination Politics

> https://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2018/07/08/assassination-politics/

https://www.ccn.com/first-assassination-markets-appear-on-gambling-platform-augur/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augur_(software)

https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2015/05/small-game-fallacies.html

https://idsa.in/system/files/strategicanalysis_sukumaran_0604.pdf

Re: Assassination Politics

https://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2018/07/01/can-a-second-civil-war-be-avoided/

 Can A Second Civil War Be Avoided?
July 1st, 2018 | Author: Troy

It should be quite clear to anyone paying any attention that the
massive protests over everything Trump related get ever closer to
outright violence. I lived through the Vietnam War protests and
clearly remember students being shot by folks in uniform before the
then president shirked his duty and surrendered.

Even though the shots are not ringing out (yet), this seems to me a
far more polarized situation than we have experienced since our first
Civil War.

One factor that the protesting progressives seem to have overlooked
(despite the growing evidence) is that we clod-heads in â€œflyover
countryâ€  are heavily armed and, usually, well skilled in the use of
said arms. Do these coastal fools really think they can unseat a duly
elected president and complete the destruction of our Republic without
serious resistance?

Not going to happen. Will there be a â€œwinnerâ€  in the coming
conflict? I can’t see how there could be. As soon as serious blood
begins to flow, our enemies will be picking over our dead and wounded
bodies worse than the Arabs during the WWII campaigns in North Africa.

Then there is the matter of what our military will do once it hits the
fan. My suspicion is that divisions of opinion within the military
will mirror those of the nation in general. No idea how that will play
out.

Point is, I truly think we are heading into a situation that will
produce only losses â€“ losses that could be easily avoided by talking
rather than screaming at each other. That said, the intentional
destruction of our national education system is surely about to pay
the predictable dividends.

The fact that this is taking a bit longer to materialize than I
predicted in earlier articles does not change the reality I think I
see all around me. The other thing that I see is that the â€œgood
peopleâ€  for the most part are silently hunkering down hoping the
whole thing will simply go away. As it such problems ever do.

Think about it.

Troy L Robinson
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43 Responses to “Can A Second Civil War Be Avoided?”

Jim Bell says:
July 2, 2018 at 11:49 am

I frequently point out that the MSM (mainstream media; at least,
the liberal/Democrat part of it) probably gave Trump $1-2 billion in
free publicity prior to the Republican convention in 2016. In effect,
they threw the Republican nomination to Trump.

This process was made easier because the Republicans started out
with 17 candidates, rather than 2 or 3. At each stage, some
candidate(s) was/were going to be winnowed, and usually that winnowing
was caused by lack of money or interest. Trump was never going to lack
money, whether or not he chose to spend it, and the MSM ensured that
he had at least apparent interest. This was intentional.

Not, of course, that the MSM wanted Trump to be elected; my
hypothesis is that they wanted to have him be the easiest-to-beat
candidate of those likely to be nominated. Well, they got what they
asked for, even if they didn’t want him to be President.

I say all this, in large part because I feel certain that the
“civil war” talked about is far less likely to occur, if the
MSM/Left/Democrats are outed as having been responsible for Trump’s
nomination. And ultimately they bear responsibility for Trump’s
eventual election.

While I, as a lifetime libertarian, would have still voted for
whichever libertarian the LP chose, I would have been much happier if
the Republicans had chosen Rand Paul or maybe Ted Cruz.

So, blame the MSM. I do. If the public is aware of how much, and
which direction, they manipulated the nomination of Trump, they will
be far less likely to blame each other for the ultimate outcome.
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Troy says:
July 3, 2018 at 7:45 am

I frequently point out that the MSM (mainstream media; at
least, the liberal/Democrat part of it) probably gave Trump $1-2
billion in free publicity prior to the Republican convention in 2016.
In effect, they threw the Republican nomination to Trump.

I think this was mostly because Trump made “good copy”. What
the MSM wants most of all is to be watched/read, taken seriously and
covering Trump made that happen.

I also think there is little doubt that the MSM mostly saw
Trump as some sort of buffoon who would never be taken seriously in a
general election — especially when running against the crown princess
herself. Thankfully, a sufficient portion of the nation saw said crown
princess as a generally unwashed self-serving crook who is incapable
of telling the truth about anything. Like, perhaps, why her daughter
is the spitting image of Webb Hubbell rather than her “husband” who is
incapable of making babies. I’m thinking this sham “family” needed a
child to complete the

Re: Assassination Politics

https://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2018/08/01/enough-already/

 Enough Already
August 1st, 2018 | Author: Troy

As much as I have enjoyed participation in these conversations in the
past, it has taken a turn that I do not enjoy in the least. Perhaps,
as Jim suggests, that is because I cannot effectively respond to his
arguments. So what? You either spend your hours doing what you like or
you are a fool.

I leave you all with one parting comment… insult intended:

It is possible to be blinded by your own brilliance.

Troy
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clinicalthinker says:
August 1, 2018 at 8:59 am

I cannot effectively respond to his arguments.

It is unusual to “effectively” respond to someone entrenched in
their own argument.
Especially a vested argument lasting 20+ years.

Moving forward doing what you enjoy is the wise choice 😉
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jim says:
August 4, 2018 at 7:05 pm

Actually, it SHOULD be quite easy for you to respond to my AP
essay: After all, there has been 23 years since I first posted it. A
simple Google-search,

google ‘ “jim bell” “assassination politics” ‘

ought to show you nearly any criticism that has been expressed
over at least the last 15 years, or even more.

More recently, in the last few weeks, you could search for:

google ‘ethereum augur assassination’ to find hundreds of references.
(although, with a lot of duplications.)

Probably tens of thousands of people have read it. Anyone who
finds it sufficiently wrong, has the opportunity to respond and
criticize it.
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â—„Daveâ–º says:
August 1, 2018 at 2:10 pm

Troy, it has been six years since you posted the provocative
revolutionary screed, â€œObligations Of Obedience.â€  I just reread it
and our subsequent discussion in the comment section. A few points:

â€¢ Considering my longtime posture as a contumacious sovereign
individualist, and all of the studying on the topic I have done since,
it should not be at all surprising that my own thinking has continued
to evolve toward outright anarchism, rather than revolution.
â€¢ Despite your valiant efforts, and those of thousands of
like-minded patriots, there has been negative progress toward
awakening the sheeple to the ever encroaching tyranny, or wresting the
levers of government from the oligarchs through political processes.
â€¢ Now the Left/Right divide is even deeper, with zero chance
that this will change. Moreover, it is the radical Left that now is
the most outraged, prone to violence, and rejecting of majority rule.
It appears that bloody revolution is now inevitable, likely sooner
than later.
â€¢ If so, I fail to see why the AP concept would not be
preferable, or at least worth trying, instead. I have no personal
appetite for slaughtering the poor brainwashed and/or disillusioned
sheeple by the thousands, if there is an alternative that only
sacrifices some of the oligarchs, their puppet politicians, and a few
of their more detestable functionaries.

That said, I certainly understand your disinterest in discussing
the subject. Just as I am beyond interest in exhortations regarding a
duty to vote and/or try to save the tyrannical government from its
inevitable collapse. Pursuing only subjects that I find enjoyable, is
why I no longer watch cable news, or bother to participate in partisan
political discussions.

If this is really goodbye, thanks for eleven good years of debate
and friendship. Please give J9 my best. Be well, my friend. â—„Daveâ–º
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jim says:
August 5, 2018 at 6:22 pm

I think it’s amazing that people admit there is a major
problem, admit that they don’t have a clue how to fix it, and yet
presented with a system (AP) which at least claims to solve it, cannot
acknowledge they should at least agree that something has to be done.
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Chris says:
August 6, 2018 at 6:05 pm

This seems to be an appropriate place to drop this. I have moved
the web location of my sandbox to my secure domain. Tspeak.us is no
more. It’s now just Tspeak with a web address
https://adirondackplaza.com/tspeak/ All the content and functions are
still there. I just haven’t done much with it lately so I let the
domain expire and moved it to a secure domain to keep it locked down.
All are still always welcome.
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â—„Daveâ–º says:
August 6, 2018 at 7:54 pm

I updated the Blogroll link, Chris. â—„Daveâ–º
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Re: Assassination Politics

https://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2016/08/14/eliminating-authority/

 Eliminating Authority
August 14th, 2016 | Author: â—„Daveâ–º

For the first time in our society’s seemingly inexorable death spiral,
I have regained a significant measure of hope for the future of
America, and indeed all of mankind. Once again, it seems, technology
will come to our rescue.

Would a world without any rulers, where war was rendered impossible,
be such a bad place to live? If there were a way to eventually nullify
the power of all states, not just our own, would it be worth doing?

“Anarchy is not lack of order.Â  Anarchy is lack of ORDERS.” -unknown

What if there were nobody left daring to even follow unpopular orders,
much less issue them? Without so-called ‘leaders,’ and disciplined
followers willing to execute their orders, no form of tyranny or
warfare could possibly exist. Think about that undeniable fundamental
truth for a moment.

I find it astonishing that I had never heard of Jim Bell, and his
20-year-old 10-part essay, “Assassination Politics,” in which he
described and defended a technological method for eliminating
unpopular politicians from society.

Part 1 begins:

I’ve been following the concepts of digital cash and encryption
since I read the article in the August 1992 issue of Scientific
American on “encrypted signatures.” While I’ve only followed the
Digitaliberty area for a few weeks, I can already see a number of
points that do (and should!) strongly concern the average savvy
individual:

1. How can we translate the freedom afforded by the Internet to
ordinary life?

2. How can we keep the government from banning encryption, digital
cash, and other systems that will improve our freedom?

A few months ago, I had a truly and quite literally
“revolutionary” idea, and I jokingly called it “Assassination
Politics”: I speculated on the question of whether an organization
could be set up to legally announce that it would be awarding a cash
prize to somebody who correctly “predicted” the death of one of a list
of violators of rights, usually either government employees,
officeholders, or appointees. It could ask for anonymous contributions
from the public, and individuals would be able send those
contributions using digital cash.

I also speculated that using modern methods of public-key
encryption and anonymous “digital cash,” it would be possible to make
such awards in such a way so that nobody knows who is getting awarded
the money, only that the award is being given. Even the organization
itself would have no information that could help the authorities find
the person responsible for the prediction, let alone the one who
caused the death.

It was not my intention to provide such a “tough nut to crack” by
arguing the general case, claiming that a person who hires a hit man
is not guilty of murder under libertarian principles. Obviously, the
problem with the general case is that the victim may be totally
innocent under libertarian principles, which would make the killing a
crime, leading to the question of whether the person offering the
money was himself guilty.

On the contrary; my speculation assumed that the “victim” is a
government employee, presumably one who is not merely taking a
paycheck of stolen tax dollars, but also is guilty of extra violations
of rights beyond this. (Government agents responsible for the Ruby
Ridge incident and Waco come to mind.) In receiving such money and in
his various acts, he violates the “Non-aggression Principle” (NAP) and
thus, presumably, any acts against him are not the initiation of force
under libertarian principles.

The organization set up to manage such a system could, presumably,
make up a list of people who had seriously violated the NAP, but who
would not see justice in our courts due to the fact that their actions
were done at the behest of the government. Associated with each name
would be a dollar figure, the total amount of money the organization
has received as a contribution, which is the amount they would give
for correctly “predicting” the person’s death, presumably naming the
exact date. “Guessers” would formulate their “guess” into a file,
encrypt it with the organization’s public key, then transmit it to the
organization, possibly using methods as untraceable as putting a
floppy disk in an envelope and tossing it into a mailbox, but more
likely either a cascade of encrypted anonymous remailers, or possibly
public-access Internet locations, such as terminals at a local
library, etc.

Hopefully, that has peaked your interest enough to go read his
thought-provoking essay, because I would love to discuss its potential
and/or flaws. Obviously, back in ’95, the internet was in its infancy,
and very few individuals had even a dial-up connection to it. Bitcoin
and other cryptocurrencies had yet to be invented, nor had the
potential for anonymity like TOR. What a difference 20 years can make
in technology!

Now, internet acce

Re: Assassination Politics

https://medium.com/chainrift-research/dark-markets-jim-bells-assassination-politics-e07bacac2dc4

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Dark Markets: Jim Bell’s Assassination Politics

Anonymity and private communications online have opened up a myriad of
ways for individuals to communicate and transact in cyberspace, in
ways that thwart surveillance.

This series of articles will explore some of the notable proposals
(and iterations) of digital marketplaces furthering crypto-anarchic
agendas. First up: the prediction markets for betting on the lives of
individuals.

Even to hardline crypto-anarchists and libertarians, this one is a bit
of a stretch – on the surface, it would appear to stand in stark
opposition to the non-aggression principle. Jim Bell, however, remains
adamant that the ends justify the means insofar as government
employees/politicians are concerned, as he explains in depth in his
90s essay entitled Assassination Politics. According to Bell:

In receiving [a paycheck of stolen tax money] and in his various
acts, [the government employee] violates the “Non-aggression
Principle” (NAP) and thus, presumably, any acts against him are not
the initiation of force under libertarian principles.

In the essay, the author discusses the harnessing of public-key
encryption and digital cash to create a system where anonymous donors
could add to a fund, which would be paid out to whoever correctly
‘guessed’ the date of death of an office holder. Note that the term
‘guessed’ here should be interpreted very loosely — the implication is
that a $10m kitty might just incentivise someone to ensure that their
guess was correct.
Do I need to spell it out?
Anarchy Through Fear

Envisaged by a staunch libertarian, Bell’s hypothetical marketplace
had an ulterior political motive: the eradication of any hierarchical
governmental structure.

He reasoned that, as leader after leader was offed for continuing to
“tax us to death, regulate us to death, or for that matter send hired
thugs to kill us when we oppose their wishes” (I can’t stress the
extent to which he really hates taxes), others would eventually fear
assuming office, and government intervention in the lives of
individuals would be drastically reduced. From there, everything falls
into place – global access to the assassination markets would mean
that militaries across the board cease to exist (lack of leaders and
lack of funding).

You might be wondering how such a system would remain limited to
persons involved with the government. I’m not altogether convinced
that the ‘ethical underpinnings’ of the society that uses these would
make it infeasible for a competitor to simply start taking bets on
anyone (though you might struggle in finding people with enough hatred
for your neighbour who keeps blaring music at 3am to contribute to the
pool that would be paid out in the event of their untimely death).

That said, Bell argues that if you wanted to hire a hitman (which is
what you’d essentially be doing here, as opposed to crowdfunding one),
that’s already possible today.
AP Today

Bear in mind that this proposal was floated at a time before the magic
of blockchain or the advent of decentralisation for the sake of
decentralisation (and raising obscene amounts of money for mere
mentions of the word). In Bell’s model, a centralised organisation is
the ultimate arbiter over which names are added to the system, and
therefore has certain ‘moral’ rulebook. If, on the other hand, someone
were to create a decentralised prediction market, you’d be firmly in
the chaotic code is law domain.
Hello!

Whilst it runs in a decentralized manner, Augur operates much like
traditional prediction markets: users trade contracts with payouts
tied to a future event. These contracts are binary, meaning that bets
are placed on whether an outcome will or will not occur. Can you see
where I’m going with this?

You’re by no means limited to attempting to predict the deaths of
people here – want to bet on whether Elon Musk is going to cry in a
video interview before a certain date? Here you go. When Apple will
release a folding iPhone? Right here.

That’s not to say deaths haven’t been predicted – bets on terrorist
attacks, mass murders and assassinations of prominent politicians are
all there, too. It’s trivial to set them up, though liquidity is still
lacking. Not so trivial is shutting them down – the Forecast
Foundation burned the escape

Re: Assassination Politics

https://www.karmak.org/archive/2003/01/assassination.htm
Assassination Politics & Jim Bell

To view Assassination Politics

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Crypto-Convict Won't Recant

>From Wired Online

by Declan McCullagh

3:00 a.m. Apr. 14, 2000 PDT

Before Jim Bell went to prison, he suspected that most government
officials were corrupt. Three years behind bars later, the
self-proclaimed Internet anarchist is sure of it.

After Bell, a cypherpunk who the United States government dubbed a
techno-terrorist, is released Friday at 10 a.m. PDT, he plans to exact
revenge on the system that imprisoned him.

"If they continue to work for the government, they deserve it. My
suggestion to these people is to quit now and hope for mercy," the
41-year-old Washington state native said in a telephone interview this
week from the medium-security federal penitentiary in Phoenix. Bell
pleaded guilty to tax evasion in 1997.

The retribution he has in mind? Well, it's decidedly not simple
thuggery or wild-eyed ranting.

Before he was arrested, the MIT graduate even gave his scheme a catchy
title: "Assassination Politics."

It's an unholy mix of encryption, anonymity, and digital cash to bring
about the ultimate annihilation of all forms of government. The
system, which Bell spent years talking up online, uses digital cash
and anonymity to predict and confirm assassinations.

Darkly brooding during his stints in solitary confinement, Bell has
honed his idea to a knife-sharp edge, and seems to have shed any
remaining scruples in the process.

"I once believed it's too bad that there are a lot of people who work
for government who are hard-working and honest people who will get hit
(by Assassination Politics) and it's a shame," he says. "Well, I don't
believe that any more. They are all either crooks or they tolerate
crooks or they are aware of crooks among their numbers."

That kind of fervid rhetoric comes close to crossing the line, says
one former prosecutor. "It's an oblique threat," says Mark Rasch, now
a lawyer at Science Applications International Corporation. "Depending
on how immediate the threat is or how immediate the incitement is, it
could violate federal law."

And Assassination Politics? If Bell tries to set it up, will he end up
back in Club Fed? "Now you're getting closer to the line that says, 'I
will pay you to kill a federal agent.' Even though it's indirect, it
has the same effect," Rasch says.

U.S. law punishes "any threat to injure the person of another" with a
five-year prison sentence.

Robb London, the assistant United States Attorney for the Western
District of Washington, did not immediately return phone calls.

It's easy enough to dismiss Assassination Politics as a loony idea
invented by a Theodore Kaczynski wannabe and about as likely to occur
as Dan Quayle winning a presidential primary.

But then why are the feds so worried? Call it sheer self-interest, but
the original charges against Bell highlighted the scheme: The IRS
accused him of "soliciting others to join in a scheme known as
'Assassination Politics' whereby those who killed IRS employees would
be rewarded."

IRS inspector Jeff Gordon, who now regularly monitors the cypherpunks
mailing list, took it personally, at one point likening Bell to
convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh. Both, Gordon said in
1997, were making "plans to assassinate government employees."

Gordon found a second suspect a year later, when he came across an "AP
robot" website that claimed to implement Bell's idea and pay winners
in e-cash. "'Bot' is a slang term for an automated computer program. I
also know that 'e$' and 'eCa$h' are slang terms for electronic or
digital cash, which was a major component of Bell's Assassination
Politics proposal," the IRS agent said in an affidavit.

The investigation eventually led to the conviction of fellow
cypherpunk Carl Johnson in April 1999 for threatening federal
officials.

Both cases have become something of a cause celebre among cypherpunks
who are critical of government overreaching; the list, after all,
became popular during the heyday of the intrusive White House-backed
Clipper Chip.

Architect John Young in 1998 nominated Bell for a Chrysler design
award for creating an "Information Design for Governmental
Accountability."

The Laissez Faire City Times has published a copy of Bell's AP essay,
calling it "a thought experiment on one of the consequences of the
digital society."

Not everyone was quite so complimentary. U.S. News and World Report
featured Bell as part of a cover story on terrorism.

The story said that when agents raided his home, they found "volatile
solvents, explosives ingredients, sodium cyanide, nitric acid, and
disopropyl fluorophosphate -- one of several ingredients that, if
properly mixed, form nerve gas -- all in a residential neighborhood."

Bell seems eager to take advantage of his notoriety. He's planning a
kind of crypto-convict U.S. tour that will take him through Seattle,
New York, Washington, and to his

Re: Assassination Politics

https://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_dead_pool_jim_bells_crowd-funded_assassination_politics

The Dead Pool: Jim Bell’s crowd-funded ‘Assassination Politics’
06.05.2013 10:20 am
Topics: Current Events , Politics
Tags: Jim Bell

Richard’s epic rant yesterday on Ernst Stavro Blofeld Peter Brabeck’s
unfortunate remarks on privatizing water reminded me of an idea
developed by crypto-anarchist Jim Bell that was controversial even in
those circles and that (according to some) is what landed him in
Federal Prison in 1997, keeping him there on and off (mostly on) until
2012.

Bell’s idea and essay were entitled “Assassination Politics,” and if
you haven’t encountered it before, well, you’re in for a bit of a
shock, particularly as the nuts and bolts necessary are rapidly coming
into place: Anonymous and untraceable digital cash (leveraging
Bitcoin), uncrackable Internet traffic mixers in the form of the TOR
network, and TOR hidden services. (According to Bell the idea is
inevitable—it’s coming—though I’m personally quite skeptical of that
claim. But no matter…)

Basically, the idea is this: What if there was a system that took bets
on which politicians, military leaders or water-privatizing CEOs would
be assassinated and when? And what if the system preserved the
anonymity of any and all bettors and could pay those who “guessed”
correctly without identifying them? Using modern cryptographic
techniques such a system is indeed technologically possible and
described (see video below). Remember The Dead Pool, Clint Eastwood’s
final “Dirty Harry” film? Kinda like a high-tech crypto-anarchist
version of that, but seen as a practical way to destroy the Shitstem.
Big fun.

Now in case you’re tempted to believe that this is merely the dream of
a Libertarian crackpot, it’s worth noting that Bell not only received
a chemistry degree from MIT, he was a relatively early employee at
Intel and even started a computer storage company. In other words,
Bell, who admittedly is a bit of a weirdo, is most certainly not an
intellectually challenged man and the AP idea makes use of a
smattering of cryptographic techniques that have largely come to exist
in the years since he first proposed it. So it probably can be done.

So now, you might ask, What’s so controversial about what is
essentially a market for predictions? So what if people are betting on
the deaths of world leaders? We all have to die sometime. Well, the
key to note here is that the bettors can bet and get paid (if they are
correct) without revealing their identity or location (read: IP
address) on the Internet. Bell believed that this combination would
prove truly irresistible to certain murder-non-averse types who a)
Like lots of money and b) Like to kill people and, oh yeah, c) Who
don’t mind knocking off hated dictators or other “enemies of mankind”
(to quote Samuel Fuller). Indeed, according to Bell’s formulation, the
system is designed precisely to encourage someone to, let’s just say,
increase their odds of winning the “dead pool” substantially.
Universal hatred of a specific figure would increase the odds of his
or her impending transience greatly, as an enormous bounty is
accumulated via all the bettors betting on (and thereby encouraging) a
rapid demise.

In his essay Bell then went on to predict the collapse of world
governments as they are understood today, because it would become just
far too dangerous for even local petty bureaucrats to remain in their
position and alive at the same time. Further claims by Bell and others
predicted fewer wars, as aggressive military leaders got knocked off
via gaining the opprobrium of the masses (thereby accumulating a huge
payoff against his name) and then attracting legions of
fortune-seeking assassins, one of whom is eventually successful and
who can then cryptographically and anonymously collect his huge
payout.

Of course, claims of the end of war or even the end of governments as
we know them sound suspiciously like early comments about the Gatling
gun: It’s such a terrible weapon that no one will start a war again
(though it wasn’t too much longer before WW I showed us exactly how
insightful that comment was). And does anyone really want a world in
which, theoretically, anyone’s name can show up on a worldwide kill
list? That’d kinda suck for American Idol contestants and pundits from
the right and left. But the point here is that if the Brabecks and
Koch Brothers of the world keep trying to put the rest of humanity
into a great big headlock by attacking our water through fracking and
privitization (an interesting combination, BTW), people with serious
cypto skillz may get pissed off enough to actually build a secure AP
system and load it up with a couple of names. You know: just for fun.

In other words, Herr Brabeck, you might want to rethink your position
a bit. Do you REALLY want to make an enemy of practically all of
humanity? Just stick to poisoning the world with your powdered baby
milk formulas and candy b

Re: Assassination Politics

https://www.wired.com/2001/04/jim-bells-strange-day-in-court/

Declan McCullagh
Apr 10, 2001 6:30 AM

Jim Bell's Strange Day in Court

The cypherpunk accused of threatening federal agents accuses his
attorney of making death threats, admits stealing mail and then takes
the Fifth. His attorney asks for a mistrial. Declan McCullagh reports
from Tacoma, Washington.

TACOMA, Washington – The trial of an Internet essayist accused of
stalking federal agents took a bizarre turn after the defendant
admitted to stealing U.S. mail and accused his attorney of delivering
death threats.

An increasingly agitated Jim Bell, author of the controversial
"Assassination Politics" essay, told a jury on Monday that he was
unfairly barred from presenting "six hours of testimony" about a
campaign against him by IRS agents and he wanted to fire his
court-appointed defense attorney.

Bell's lawyer, Robert Leen, twice asked U.S. District Judge Jack
Tanner to halt the proceedings because his client had a "major mental
disorder." Tanner, who had previously ruled that Bell was fit to stand
trial, denied the requests.

The 43-year-old chemist and entrepreneur took the witness stand on
Friday to argue he had been conducting a lawful investigation into
official corruption while compiling names and home addresses of
government agents. Bell is charged with five counts of interstate
stalking, and jury deliberations are scheduled to begin Tuesday
morning.

On Sunday, Leen visited his client at the nearby SeaTac prison, which
apparently prompted Bell's accusations in open court. Bell testified
calmly on Friday, regaling jurors with tales of how public key
encryption and anonymous remailers worked, but by Monday had become
embittered and combative.

He said that his attorney "communicated a threat" against Bell and
Bell's family during the meeting, and "threatened to cut me off after
30 minutes if I mentioned" accusations against fellow prisoners.

Bell also acknowledged under oath that he had raided the mailbox of a
person he mistakenly believed to be a Treasury Department agent,
recorded personal information from those letters, then discarded them
during dinner at a nearby McDonald's. Although Bell is not charged
with that crime, a conviction would carry a fine and a sentence of up
to five years in prison.

During cross-examination, Bell invoked his Fifth Amendment right
against self-incrimination when asked about $2,000 a month in trust
fund income not reported on a statement that he signed in November
2000 to qualify for a court-appointed lawyer. Because of that
document, Assistant U.S. Attorney Robb London said, Bell "is in peril
of being charged with perjury."

"You weren't aware of the trust account that is maintained by you?"
London asked about the Bell's shares of the Templeton Emerging Markets
Fund.

"Have you no shame?" Bell replied. "I'm taking the Fifth Amendment,
which even innocent people are entitled to do."

Bell said since he was no longer represented by counsel, the
prosecutor's continued questions were inappropriate. "I'm concerned
about your tactics," he said. "I don't believe I should be questioned
under these circumstances I've been denied 15 defense witnesses.
This is not a fair trial."

Tanner has quashed all of Bell's subpoenas aimed at U.S. Marshals,
prosecutors, defense attorneys and former and current prisoners,
saying they were not relevant. Tanner has denied repeated motions for
a mistrial from Bell's lawyer, in addition to motions to withdraw as
counsel.
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"Mr. Leen does not represent me," Bell said. "I wonder if it's legally
proper for them to question me without counsel present."

The Vancouver, Washington resident said he was coerced into taking a
plea agreement on July 18, 1997, in which he admitted to obstructing
IRS agents, writing "Assassination Politics" and stink-bombing the
carpet outside an IRS office.

"Much of that plea was basically fictional," Bell said. He said he was
"given a pill the previous day. "I was groggy and sleepy."

Upon questioning from London, the prosecutor, Bell said he never filed
a motion to withdraw his guilty plea.

London suggested that there were two types of U.S. citizens: Those who
were federal agents and those who are not. He said that Treasury
Department agent Jeff Gordon was authorized to investigate Bell, but
that Bell inappropriately researched information on Gordon.

"Do you understand that (Jeff Gordon) is given authority (as a) duly
authorized law enforcement officer?" London asked.

This case raises the question of what actions are protected by the
First Amendment's guarantees of free expressio

Re: Assassination Politics

https://thepriceofliberty.org/2021/12/20/ideas-for-liberty-the-jim-bell-system-revisited/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Planet_for_Texans


Ideas for liberty – the Jim Bell System revisited
Posted on December 20, 2021 by TPOL Nathan  

A few weeks back, someone suggested in a comment that it might be time
to set up the “Jim Bell System.”

This idea, also known as a type of “Assassination Politics” was
invented back in 1995 by an anarchocapitalist (or crypto-anarchist)
seeking a way to directly address tyranny and the
seeking-to-be-omnipotent State. For details on his original proposal,
visit this website. It provides the complete series of essays he wrote
between 1995 and 1997. (For readers’ convenience, I’m providing an
extract of his proposal at the end of this commentary.)

But in brief, people use crypto-currency, digital cash, and online
encryption to establish organizations which are clearinghouses for
people to bet on exactly when some politician or leader or bureaucrat
– at home or abroad – croaks, and put their money down. As the pot
grows, lottery style, one of those bettors bets on a specific date and
covers his/her bet by ensuring (in some manner) that the subject of
the bet does indeed die. And then anonymously claims the stake
anonymously, in one or more forms of cryptocurrency which is
untraceable.

For those more interested, visit this website which more recently
exposed Mr. Bell’s invention and addresses the pros and cons of the
entire concept.

The Price of Liberty takes no stand on the entire idea. It is beyond
our limited understanding of encryption, anonymity, and
cryptocurrencies – or gold bars, for that matter – to be able to
evaluate. It appears feasible.

Although I do not think there is a connection, the proposal is very
much reminiscent of the major plot device in H. Beam Piper’s Lone Star
Planet, also known as A Planet for Texans from 1957, in which
Assassination Politics (AP) is the key feature of government on a
distant, long-colonized planet. It has even more in common with
another novel, which I often conflate with Piper’s story. On that
planet, all of the politicians in office wear explosive collars tied
wirelessly to a system of voting booths in which citizens can express
their disapproval of the politician’s actions. If the weight of votes
is sufficient, a signal is sent to the collar, and bang! – there is
one less dastardly politician infesting the body politic.

(If a reader can identify the forgotten name of that novel, please let
us here at TPOL know!)

But the Jim Bell System goes beyond that. The explosive collar idea
requires that there BE a government. As did Piper’s system. AP claims
to require NO organized government or even a public organization –
everything is done anonymously and online, using current technology
and methods. And although “legal” could function even if made illegal
by government.

Other than a fascinating look at an idea that is very much “outside
the box” the issue here at The Price of Liberty is a simple one. Is
this (as Jim Bell labeled it) a form of “murder by hire”? Or just
plain encouraging/inciting murder? Or is it actually a legitimate (and
moral) form of self-defense against those tyrants, large and small,
that infest our society, our nations, and our world? What do you, dear
reader, think?

And is it truly a solution, or just another idea (a form of
technology) that can be used as much for evil as for good? Would
government begin using this against the people? Would this open
Pandora’s Box anew? For almost three decades, free-market and other
anarchists and even minarchists have been discussing this. Is it time
to seriously consider this? Let us here at TPOL know.

>From Jim Bell’s third essay (found at this website):

…it should be possible to LEGALLY set up an organization which
collects perfectly anonymous donations sent by members of the public,
donations which instruct the organization to pay the amount to any
person who correctly guesses the date of death of some named person,
for example some un-favorite government employee or officeholder.  The
organization would total the amounts of the donations for each
different named person, and publish that list (presumably on the
Internet) on a daily or perhaps even an hourly basis, telling the
public exactly how much a person would get for “predicting” the death
of that particular target.

Moreover, that organization would accept perfectly anonymous,
untraceable, encrypted “predictions” by various means, such as the
Internet (probably through chains of encrypted anonymous remailers),
U.S. mail, courier, or any number of other means.  Those predictions
would contain two parts:  A small amount of untraceable “digital
cash,” inside the outer “digital envelope,” to ensure that the
“predictor” can’t economically just randomly choose dates and names,
and an inner encrypted data packet which is encrypted so that even the
organization itself cannot decrypt it.  That data packet would c

Re: Assassination Politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGem5m9Sr6g Paddock, Serco, Death Pool Betting
https://altcensored.com/watch?v=YSn7Iomisyc

https://alekbo.com/bitcoin/the-jim-bell-system.html

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356893936_Assassination_politics_Weapons_of_Mass_Destruction_and_IT-_a_timeline_Focus_on_South_Africa_the_US_and_Sweden_December_2021_DOI_1013140RG222840734729
Assassination politics, Weapons of Mass Destruction and IT - a
timeline based on quoted texts with references, and main focus on
South Africa, the US and Sweden




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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 12/25/21 at 8:53 pm to notiger1997

quote:
Las Vegas shooter.


My favorite speculation

Themes:

death pool betting (see Gizmodo article below as this is a real thing...)
pedophile blackmail rings

It is speculated that Paddock was a promoter of a VIP junkent room
that fielded very high rolling clients "betting" on murders...

It gets very tangential, but bulk of discussion is at 56:10 (but the
whole discussion is very interesting...)

youtube

quote:
Paddock, Serco and Death Pool Betting An In-Depth Conversation


quote:
Serco is the biggest company you never heard of. Are they somehow
connected to Stephen Paddock? Did this multinational conglomerate play
a role in the Las Vegas massacre of October 1? Are there shadowy
groups of wealthy elites who finance assassinations through evil
"death pool" betting syndicates?


Talk about market forces!

Absolutely fascinating and terrifying...

Re: Assassination Politics

https://gizmodo.com/behind-the-sordid-world-of-online-assasination-betting-1708147146


Behind the Sordid World of Online Assassination Betting

By Jamie Bartlett
6/01/15 11:35AM

https://www.mhpbooks.com/books/the-dark-net/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09TT41PRW
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1612194893


I have heard rumors about this website, but I still cannot quite believe
that it exists. I am looking at what I think is a hit list.

There are photographs of people I recognize—prominent politicians,
mostly—and, next to each, an amount of money. The site’s creator, who
uses the pseudonym Kuwabatake Sanjuro, thinks that if you could pay to
have someone murdered with no chance—I mean absolutely zero chance—of
being caught, you would.

That’s one of the reasons why he has created the Assassination Market.

There are four simple instructions listed on its front page:

* Add a name to the list
* Add money to the pot in the person’s name
* Predict when that person will die
* Correct predictions get the pot

The Assassination Market can’t be found with a Google search. It sits on
a hidden, encrypted part of the internet that, until recently, could only
be accessed with a browser called The Onion Router, or Tor. Tor began life
as a U.S. Naval Research Laboratory project, but today exists as a
not-for-profit organization, partly funded by the U.S. government and
various civil liberties groups, allowing millions of people around the
world to browse the internet anonymously and securely.

To put it simply, Tor works by repeatedly encrypting computer activity and
routing it via several network nodes, or “onion routers,” in so doing
concealing the origin, destination, and content of the activity. Users of
Tor are untraceable, as are the websites, forums, and blogs that exist as
Tor Hidden Services, which use the same traffic encryption system to cloak
their location.

The Assassination Market may be hosted on an unfamiliar part of the net,
but it’s easy enough to find, if you know how to look. All that’s
required is simple (and free) Tor software. Then sign up, follow the
instructions, and wait. It is impossible to know the number of people who
are doing exactly that, but at the time of writing, if I correctly predict
the date of the death of Ben Bernanke, the former chairman of the Federal
Reserve, I’d receive approximately $56,000. It may seem like a fairly
pointless bet. It’s very difficult to guess when someone is going to
die. That’s why the Assassination Market has a fifth instruction:

* Making your prediction come true is entirely optional

The Dark Net

The Assassination Market is a radical example of what people do online
when under the cover of real or perceived anonymity. Beyond the more
familiar world of Google, Hotmail, and Amazon lies another side to the
internet: the dark net.

For some, the dark net refers to the encrypted world of Tor Hidden
Services, where users cannot be traced, and cannot be identified. For
others, it is those sites not indexed by conventional search engines: an
unknowable realm of password-protected dissident movements, pages,
unlinked websites, and hidden content accessible only to those in the
know, sometimes referred to as the “deep web.” It has also become a
catchall term for the myriad shocking, disturbing, and controversial
corners of the net—the realm of imagined criminals and lurking
predators.

The dark net, for me, describes an idea more than a particular place:
internet underworlds set apart yet connected to the internet we inhabit,
worlds of freedom and anonymity, where users say and do what they like,
often uncensored, unregulated, and outside of society’s norms. It is
dark because we rarely see these parts of digital life, save the
occasional flash of a hysterical news report or shocking statistic. This
is not a book about Tor, since the net is full of obscure corners, of
secret back alleys on parts of the internet you likely already know:
social media sites, normal websites, forums, chat rooms. I focus instead
on those digital cultures and communities that appear, to those that
aren’t part of them, dark, insidious, and beyond society’s
gaze—wherever I found them.

This dark net is rarely out of the news—with stories of young people
sharing homemade pornography, of cyberbullies and trolls tormenting
strangers, of hackers stealing and leaking personal photos, of political
or religious extremists peddling propaganda, of illegal goods, drugs, and
confidential documents only a click or two away appearing in headlines
almost daily—but it is still a world that is, for the most part,
unexplored and little understood. In reality, few people have ventured
into the darker recesses of the net to study these sites in any detail.

I started researching radical social and political movements in 2007, when
I spent two and a half years following Islamist extremists around Europe
and North America, trying to piece together a fragmented and largely
disjointed real-world network of young m

Re: Assassination Politics

https://twitter.com/SilverSpikeSam
https://twitter.com/SamJournals/status/1500293691021352969
Sam Steele, Founder of The Silver Spike Society.
@elias_714 @R1mElvis @zeemczed @hwinkler4real
Look into an idea called "Assassination Politics" by Jim Bell.
that would be exactly the sort of system we need for checks & balances.




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« on: September 25, 2019, 03:01:05 pm »
I first read Assassination Politics more than a decade ago, as
documented on my own Web page, and from my Web page the link I have
there is still a working link:

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm

I just stumbled on a YouTube presentation by Jim Bell, the author of
Assassination Politics, as he eventually made his way out of prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcJdvQvzlNU

According to Jim Bell the first time someone announced the idea
coincided with the sudden tripling of Bitcoin price.

I follow this idea (not a new idea by the way) and so I saw the Forbes
Article mentioned in the Jim Bell YouTube video above:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/18/meet-the-assassination-market-creator-whos-crowdfunding-murder-with-bitcoins/

The date on that article is Nov 18, 2013, 08:30am.

The Jim Bell Project is here:
https://jimbellproject.org/press-release-hackers-congress-paralel-polis-oct-7-2017/

The idea is simple, it is based upon this:

"The king, so far from being invested with arbitrary power, was only
considered as the first among the citizens; his authority depended
more on his personal qualities than on his station; he was even so far
on a level with the people, that a stated price was fixed for his
head, and a legal fine was levied upon his murderer, which though
proportionate to his station, and superior to that paid for the life
of a subject, was a sensible mark of his subordination to the
community." - 1 Hume, Appendix, l." (Trial by Jury, Lysander Spooner,
1852)

Anonymity for each individual is one thing, but group anonymity is
altogether more difficult to maintain, along the lines of a chain
being only as strong as the weakest link.

For those who care not to peruse the AP information, I will quote a sound bite:

"Last month I received an encrypted email from someone calling himself
by the pseudonym Kuwabatake Sanjuro, who pointed me towards his recent
creation: The website Assassination Market, a crowdfunding service
that lets anyone anonymously contribute bitcoins towards a bounty on
the head of any government official--a kind of Kickstarter for
political assassinations. According to Assassination Market's rules,
if someone on its hit list is killed--and yes, Sanjuro hopes that many
targets will be--any hitman who can prove he or she was responsible
receives the collected funds." Forbes


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The normal way to collect an AP bounty is to make the closest estimate
to time of death before the fact.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2019, 05:54:47 pm »
“The normal way to collect an AP bounty is to make the closest
estimate to time of death before the fact.”

>From Assassination Politics by Jim Bell:

“If, later, the "prediction" came true, the predictor would presumably
send yet another encrypted "envelope" to the organization, containing
the decryption key for the previous "prediction" envelope, plus a
public key (despite its name, to be used only once!) to be used for
encryption of digital cash used as payment for the award. The
organization would apply the decryption key to the prediction
envelope, discover that it works, then notice that the prediction
included was fulfilled on the date stated. The predictor would be,
therefore, entitled to the award. Nevertheless, even then nobody would
actually know WHO he is!”

On the web page AP Part 9 is dated:  February 27, 1996

I was on the National District 40 House of Representatives Ballot in
1996 as a Libertarian. My talking points included statements
concerning burning alive men, women, pregnant women, children, babies,
after torture for weeks, experiments, all by the “government” in Waco.

The point I think that is worth noting here with this AP update, which
includes an active

Re: Assassination Politics

RECORD NUMBER Of Americans Say Violence Against Gov Is JUSTIFIED
Jan 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7FcRl3OoLs Citizens: Govt Overthrow Justified

Plausible Or Overblown? Divided America Leads To Civil War Speculation
By Keith Preston on January 29, 2022" ( 2 Comments )
https://attackthesystem.com/2022/01/29/plausible-or-overblown-divided-america-leads-to-civil-war-speculation/
https://youtu.be/2USneLGTnX8
Ten years ago, I thought that the US would be in 2042 where it is in 2022...

jim bell says:
January 29, 2022 at 5:52 pm
https://cryptome.org/ap.htm
My Assassination Politics essay. If you previously believed we wouldn
t get there until 2042, that explains why you didn t want to discuss
it. But now, things have changed.
Effectively, we ARE there . If an AP system were operational, today,
people would use it, even heavily.

Government Itself is Immoral
Corbett " 08/14/2022 " 198 Comments
https://www.corbettreport.com/government-itself-is-immoral/

Courageous Lion says:
08/15/2022 at 12:32 pm
For the NSA people here: Jim Bell s Assassination Politics would be a
good way to reign in their pretend authority. For when those in
government fear the people there is liberty, but when the people fear
those in government there is tyranny. AP is all over the net. It did
get Jim in trouble with the IRS though. They were concerned it might
take hold. Fact is, with the new way that bit coin works, they better
start thinking about what could come next.

Cryptocurrency is Asbestos.
April 21, 2022 1:40 PM
https://www.metafilter.com/195090/Cryptocurrency-is-Asbestos

rhamphorhynchus says at 5:03 PM on April 21 [7 favorites]
the whole point from the start of cryptocurrency is to implement
anarcho-capitalism
Quite. Jim Bell's Assassination Politics was 1992 so anarchism, in a
nasty libertarian Propaganda of the Deed sense, is pretty deeply
ingrained.
Ethereum is operating in perhaps the one of the most hostile computing
environments that exists now
Aye. More poetically, Ethereum is a Dark Forest (linked previously).

Re: Assassination Politics

https://medium.com/coinmonks/bitcoin-assassination-markets-could-quickly-end-war-1fa40de537ca

JVictor42
Mar 13 2022

Bitcoin assassination markets could quickly end war

Writer and libertarian Tim Bell, described by Wired Magazine as “one
of the Internet’s most famous essayists,” reported in 1997 that after
the creation of an Internet-native cryptocurrency-such as Bitcoin
(BTC)-the world’s first decentralized assassination markets would
emerge.

Bell describes in 10 articles entitled Assassination Politics, how
these markets could work.

Initially, the heads of dictators, despots and psychopaths could be
put up for a bounty, similar to the jurisdiction of the American Old
West, where there was a reward for criminals; “Wanted dead or alive.”

The prize could easily be raised in a voluntary fundraiser done in
cryptocurrency. How many people would be willing to pay the equivalent
of $10 dollars to see their country’s dictator die? Perhaps millions.

“Consider how history might have changed if we had been able to
“overthrow” Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Kim Il Sung, Ho
Chi Minh, Ayatollah Khomeini, Saddam Hussein, Moammar Khadafi, and
several others, along with all their replacements if necessary, all
for a measly few million dollars, instead of the billions of dollars
and millions of lives that subsequent wars have cost.” — Tim Bell.

The reward would then be awarded to whoever could accurately “predict”
the day of death of the person with a price on his head. Usually, this
person would be the killer himself.

Payment would be made in cryptocurrency, so that it would not be
possible to identify who received the prize.
Russian-Ukrainian War

If such a market already existed at a more advanced stage of trust and
liquidity, Vladimir Putin’s head would certainly be on the line by
now.

Surely, many powerful people today already have an interest that the
Russian pseudo-dictator disappears. However, allowing anonymous
payment to anyone close enough to consummate the act — such as
employees, friends or family members — exponentially increases the
chance of an eventual attack.

The same could happen with Volodymyr Zelensky, president of Ukraine,
who has tyrannically prevented men from leaving the country, as well
as politicians and high-ranking officials in the Russian and Ukrainian
governments who are condoning these actions.

“At the Village pizzeria, while they were sitting down to a pepperoni,
Dorothy asked Jim: ‘So, what other inventions are you working on?

Jim replied: ‘I have a new idea, but it’s really evolutionary.
Literally REVOLUTIONARY.’

“Okay, Jim, which government are you planning to overthrow?” she
asked, jokingly.

‘All of them,’ he replied.”
Problems to be solved

In order to create a market like this, some fundamental issues will
need to be solved. Bitcoin needs to have more anonymity and
fungibility, something that should occur over the next few years with
updates and soft forks.

Taproot, the last major update to the Bitcoin network, was another
step toward making transactions harder to trace.

When this occurs, and a market emerges that demonstrates trust and
success in its first use cases, such as enabling the assassination of
some small country dictator, it would certainly attract attention and
funding from around the world.

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bitconer: 1BxmvJGdfPWFoXa6qQpk9FafmLT6BKxFJB

An assassination market paid in bitcoin could potentially end hundreds
of despot conflicts around the world in a much more efficient and less
costly way.

Re: Assassination Politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Esuqywo9k Lords of the New Church -
Open Your Eyes
They were trying to warn us 40 years ago. From 1982…
"
Video games train the kids for war
Army chic in high-fashion stores
Law and order’s done their job
Prisons filled while the rich still rob
Assassination politics
Violence rules within’ our nation’s midst
Well ignorance is their power tool
You’ll only know what they want you to know
The television cannot lie
Controlling media with smokescreen eyes
Nuclear politicians picture show
The acting’s lousy but the blind don’t know

Open your eyes
See the lies right in front of ya
Open your eyes

They scare us all with threats of war
So we forget just how bad things are
You taste the fear when you’re all alone
They gonna git’cha when you’re on your own
The silence of conspiracy
Slaughtered on the altar of apathy
You gotta wake up from your sleep
‘Cause meek inherits earth six feet deep

Open your eyes see the lies right in front of ya
Open your eyes
"




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WA Gun Owner Fury Erupts as Lawmakers Pass Magazine Ban
   CourageousLion
   6 months ago
   Jim Bell's "Assassination Politics" Google it.
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Getting Away with Murder: Benazir Bhutto’s Assassination and the
Politics of Pakistan
by Heraldo Munoz

Heraldo Munoz is a Chilean politician who was appointed to head a UN
Commission of Inquiry to investigate the assassination of former Prime
Minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto in December 2007. This book is
kind of like an unofficial memoir of his experience investigating
Bhutto’s assassination. It is a unique blend of a historical and
political analysis of Pakistan in the style of Ahmed Rashid and a
Whodunit murder investigation.



https://www.richlandsource.com/life_and_culture/assassins-explores-the-dark-side-of-the-american-dream-at-theatre-166/article_e55a4a1e-2797-11ec-9004-570d509124cb.html
'Assassins' explores the dark side of the American dream at Theatre 166
By Brittany Schock, Engagement & Solutions Editor
Oct 7, 2021
Antonio Brown is surrounded by presidential assassins demanding for
their right to be happy in the musical "Assassins" premiering at
Theatre 166 on Oct. 8.
MANSFIELD — Everybody's got a right to their dreams. But what happens
when you think that right has been taken away from you?
In Stephen Sondheim's controversial musical "Assassins," the



https://politicsandwar.com/bulletin/id=11338/chancellor-evades-assassination
Chancellor Evades Assassination
Bullet Strikes Chancellor, Assassins Commit Suicide

By Baudric Ministry of Information
04/08/2022 12:50 pm

November 30, 2074 (74/11/30)

Yesterday, at 18:23, Chancellor Victor Leopold von Fettenberg was
riding to his residence next to the palace in his limousine after what
was supposedly a busy and stressful day at the Council of
Representatives. With him, Minister of Foreign Affairs Lotta Gräfin
von Pattentrop und Magersburg and King Brenner I's son and heir
apparent, Crown Prince Brenner Jr.. They were discussing events in
Parliament and the social unrest that been plaguing Baudric after the
Chancellor's selection, with the limo driver occasionally chiming in.
They would've headed to the palace directly to discuss foreign policy
with Brenner I before heading to dinner and getting rest for the next
grueling day.

This wouldn't be the case that day, however, for a shot rings out as
they pass the Sutenkräft Brewery, the three politicians take cover.
There is a quick skirmish with the Chancellor's motorcade and what
appears to be multiple assassins. The attackers are victorious, with
all of the motorcade security killed in just two minutes. Witnesses
reported eight assassins rapidly approaching the limo from their
hiding spots, armed with bolt action rifles and assault rifles. The
Chancellor and his entourage could've been killed if it wasn't for the
quick thinking of the three and the involvement of the crowd. A crowd,
both united conservatives and liberals, bravely blocked the path to
the limo as von Pattentrop und Magersburg kicked the door on the left
side, armed with emergency pistols.

The assassins, whom were unwilling to kill civilians, continued
pushing the crowd away, only to be met with gunshots from the three.
The Chancellor's former military training allowed for the three to
have the upper hand in the engagement, and with police reinforcements
rapidly approaching the scene, the remaining attackers took their own
lives. An autopsy statement released this morning revealed tattoos of
the Reformist symbol on various body parts, which brought further
suspicion that the Reformists were attempting to kill them.

Brenner I, furious that his government and his son were almost killed,
finally took a side and declared the Reformists illegal this morning,
along with Chancellor von Fettenberg announcing that the security
budget would increase significantly to prevent further attacks and
hoping to make sure the

Re: Assassination Politics

https://thelibertarianideal.com/2022/02/21/political-liquidation/

Political Liquidation

2022-02-21 chrisshaw1993 Chris Shaw

Oscillations of political power, the expansion and contraction of
sovereign and elite control, define the nature of conflict and cycles of
politico-economic activity. Elites will always exist as political power is
always in grasp so long as dynamics of status and wealth gains and the
consolidation of support bases are possible. “The tendency in both the
hard and soft managerial regimes has been for managerial forces to pervade
all areas of political, economic, social, and intellectual life”[1].
Such consolidation is the hallmark of any elite structure. It must
dominate and control so as prevent subversive elements and sub-elites from
marking out their own territory and developing their own powerbases. The
circulation of elites as Pareto called it is a consistent game of
governance and power. Much of modern political thinking has concerned
itself with the transformation and supersession of such conditions,
forging a revolutionary moment or a balance of power so as to either
destroy or nullify elite power structures.

Elite cultivation is a long game though. It extends beyond the immediately
political and into the cultural and meta-political. The slow accrual of
power isn’t done through the electoral process and popular means of
messaging. It begins in the institutions of high culture, universities,
broadsheet newspapers, academic journals, education, etc. Slowly it
filters down into the tabloid newspapers, news programmes and political
manifestos. Such cultivation isn’t measured in election cycles but in
decades, slowly transposing from a minority sub-elite to a larger
power-elite. In this movement from abstract intellectualism to widespread
propagation, this new elite creates positions and inculcates ideological
frameworks that make wider structures and institutions reliant on their
expertise, control of resources and/or capacity to judge. “Until one
begins to list all the professions and activities which belong to the
class, it is difficult to realize how numerous it is, how the scope for
activities constantly increases in modern society, and how dependent on it
we all have become”[2].

The expansion of Keynesian and neoliberal modes of thought out of
economics departments and think tanks into elite policy circles, civil
society, corporate management and government bureaucracies and the growth
of a transgressive culture industry favouring minoritarian concerns and
control over educational institutions are testament to this long march.
Both popular politics and constitutional restraints struggle to
meaningfully curtail the circulation and expansion of elites.

The latter become increasingly reliant on the types of expertise and
social capital these elites foster. Administrative managers and policy
experts become interpreters and shapers of the constitutional mechanisms
that undergird legal precedents and legislative parameters. Through them,
new interpretations become integrated which justify new policy actions and
new bureaus to manage them. We see this in the transformation of speech
rights via the transgressive culture industry which is attempting to
codify hate speech and Silicon Valley technocrats who narrow the range of
speech available on public forums. The law isn’t changed, but expanded
in its scope, creating legal arbitrage which these elite structures
manipulate.

In the former, there are substantive difficulties with mounting a popular
political front against emerging elite consensus. Electoral politics has
little effect, as major parties converge toward general agreement over
matters of economic and social policy, quibbling over details. Even when
supposed outsiders like Trump are elected, they quickly find any attempts
to interject into existing bureaucracies almost impossible, facing strong
resistance from established groups in the intelligence communities,
military brass and wider civil administration. These bureaus and their
programmes have consistently expanded despite congressional and executive
scepticism and pushback. This is why a policy of “retire all government
employees”[3] is so hard, as it isn’t just a matter of the employees
but of the educational/training materials that integrate new recruits and
the impunity with which these organisations escape substantive
accountability.

Forces of constitutional expansion and ideological consolidation limit the
potential for any popular movement or fragmentary group to challenge elite
power. The Overton window is reshaped and established methods of political
participation are effectively meaningless. You cannot vote out or even
question civil bureaucrats or the policy-making networks which actually
dictate legal procedures and their implementation. A political liquidation
occurs where the various aspects of political and economic life are closed
off, to be decided amongst technocratic groups and procedures. They are

Re: Assassination Politics

https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2021/12/lpnc-conducts-first-independent-election-system-software-review/

2. [68]Andy Andy January 5, 2022

   "Traditionalist," said: "As for you, Andy, your Poe’s law violation
   is the belief that anarchist zones may realistically be expected to
   fend off nation states, terrorists, criminals, and so on."

   I have heard this referred to in libertarian circles as the Hard Problem,
   that is, once the anarcho-capitalist society is formed, how
   do you defend it?

   I have ideas on how this could be done (see my Libertarian Zone
   concept above; armed militias, private security guards, simply staying
   out of conflicts and becoming an economic zone from which lots of
   people could benefit, etc...). I have heard others propose various
   ideas, such as the Assassination Politics concept, put out by a guy
   named Jim Bell. "Bitcoin Jesus" Roger Ver brought this up when I
   interviewed him at Anarchapulco 2018. Check it out here:

   Interview with "Bitcoin Jesus" Roger Ver at Anarchapulco, 2/17/18

   [69] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnt8r_oDdjc




https://attackthesystem.com/2021/10/03/beware-of-any-war-on-terror-fought-by-a-terrorist-nation/
Beware of Any War On Terror Fought by a Terrorist Nation
By Keith Preston on October 3, 2021

jim bell says:
October 3, 2021 at 10:54 pm 
Someday, people will begin to appreciate my Assassination Politics
essay, from 1995.
https://cryptome.org/ap.htm

Keith Preston says:
October 4, 2021 at 6:10 am  
As well they should. It’s a masterpiece.

Re: Assassination Politics

https://slug.com/group/VoluntaryMutualDefense/discussion/310561/warm-and-soft-or-cold-and-hard-by-joe-kelley-2-3-2022-hot-and-confused-or-freezing-and-dense

Warm and Soft or Cold and Hard
by Joe Kelley
2-3-2022

Hot and Confused or Freezing and Dense.

Absolute Heat Forced into Absolute Compression or Forced into Absolute
Dispersion.

Absolute Cold and Forced into Nothing Nowhere.

Too soft and everyone goes their separate ways with no one facing the cold
hard fact that mankind must – as a rule – reproduce and care enough
for future generations to not merely keep on reproducing, but to get
better at it in order to face the cold hard facts about natures
provisions.

Too hard and everyone is compressed into one body of mass mankind forcing
everyone under the crushing weight of everyone else with no room to move
an elbow or dare to think an original thought.

Taking a lesson from the unnatural laws enforced by Treasonous Frauds, as
they inject into their victims the means by which the slave numbers are
kept at a manageable level, a self-exterminating idea injected into the
pests as a form of pest-control, cost less enforcement of eugenic nirvana,
with the side effect of the few and fewer remaining rats inheriting all
the remaining power, the Rat Final Solution to their too many rats
problem, turned around and used unnaturally to cull the herd of Treasonous
Frauds.

Draining the swamp with the Treasonous Fraud Final Solution mirror image.
What comes around goes around. Fuck around and find out.

The Rulers exterminate those they Rule – as a rule – and just as that
rule works factually, the same Rule consumes the Rulers.

The Final Solution to the unruly too-many-slaves problem turns against the
Masters on Judgment Day.

I’m (not) sorry, nothing (psyc) personal, here is your Bill, and it has
an expiration date.

Now you may be softened up in preparation to learn these facts as
we-the-humans face these facts together in lockstep, or, remain in our
collection of collective Infantile States.

If Treasonous Frauds controlling the pesky slaves were not bad enough,
what do you think happens when there are no more slaves to eat, due to a
general learning curve flattened from top to bottom?

Flatten the curve and everyone is a master and there are no more slaves,
the ultimate logical End Game, with no more need for torture, since
everyone knows everyone else as a fellow Rat in the Treasonous Fraud game,
no more room left for disingenuous intellectually dishonest prejudicial
pretense.

There is no one LEFT to Rat on when all the defenders are attackers.

All the former innocent producers make each other into guilty criminals.

Who is going to care to know what everyone already knows?

The End Game proves itself when We The People Constitute The Human Rat
Race.

We all pay each other to enslave each other until no one has any time LEFT
to produce anything worth stealing from any of the slaves that have
already been eaten.

That leaves one very Fat Rat as the last slave turned master on the
sinking ship of the Infantile State.

No?

Have you ever heard of the essay titled Assassination Politics by Jim
Bell? Before jerking your knee looking for a moderator to help alert the
Treasonous Frauds of a Rat in their Ranks seeking to incite Assassinations
by Politics, you may want to know that this is not merely common
knowledge, it is Public Knowledge, and it is actually a confession as to
the basic principles running The Infantile State.

The magazine Forbes ran an article on this concept not too long ago, with
the required Twist on the original essay title. Plagiarizing by Forbes
authority to do so, the title is now Assassination Markets. This was
published into The Public Domain, by Forbes, in a piece attempting to
assassinate the character of people using cryptocurrencies.

How dare you.

Jim Bell went to prison for a time, not for his Essay, but for trumped-up
charges having to do with tax evasion, or who knows what, I did not get
the transcripts of the charges and my guess is that there was never an
antiquated common law criminal due process of law authorization for
persecuting Jim Bell. No independent grand jury true bill. In other words,
the mere act of ignoring the law of the land is a confession of Treasonous
Fraud during an effort to bring someone to injustice. Jim Bell is free now
and still working the Assassination Politics gambling app, as far as I
know currently.

It turns out that Assassination Politics, or the Forbes version
Assassination Markets, logically lead to Direct Democracy in the Modern
versions of Legalese. Forget about the actual meaning of the word
democracy, forget the original meaning, ignore the grass-roots and organic
meaning, exile the adapted meaning adopted by the Ancient Athenians during
the Golden Age of Greece. Not that democracy, but the New World Order
version of Democracy, you know, as in the saying “Spreading Democracy”
with “Gun Boat Diplomacy” type New World Order Democracy, that
plag

Re: Assassination Politics

https://www.researchgate.net/project/Micro-aggression-and-social-exclusion-in-data-driven-lives
Micro aggression and social exclusion in data-driven lives
Among the items discovered in the car was a document, entitled
"Assassination Politics", lists of the names and addresses of IRS
employees, material on making improvised explosives (including ...

https://theworthyhouse.com/2021/11/03/announcement-podcast-discussion-between-peter-r-quinones-and-charles/
https://freemanbeyondthewall.libsyn.com/episode-651
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xh4ZEVJqHM
Now available across all platforms is my discussion Charles Haywood
with Peter R. Quiones, host of the Free Man Beyond the Wall podcast.
We talk abo
ut the fracture of America, putting one s boot on the neck of the
Left, why hedge fund operators are inferior to glass factory workers,
and much mor
e.

goodlander

November 3, 2021

Your best podcast appearance yet IMO.

While listening I wrote a note to ask if you re familiar with Jim Bell
s 1995 essay Assassination Politics.

Since Gordian knot political solutions, crypto currency, blockchain
smart contracts, and blockchain oracles are all fashionable, its
strange to me that AP is not. His essay is far more relevant today
with all the major technical hurdles are solved. Even the culture
seems more warlike and suited for AP now.
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Ricky Moore
November 4, 2021

Most normies are feminized, fat, comfortable physical, moral and
intellectual cowards and prefer to hide and consider themselves better
because they re peaceful , even though (as Burnham in The
Machiavellians and Georges Sorel point out) an aversion to violence
may actually allow more violence in the total.
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Charles Haywood
November 5, 2021

This, while it has large elements of truth, is far too
pessimistic, both in under-rating the degree to which people can
change/improve, and in under-rating the number of (silent) people who
are not like this, many of whom have useful skills.
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Ricky Moore
November 5, 2021

I don t believe in free will, I think biology and
conditioning controls most people ave their responses to a huge degree
which modern tabula rasa Whig society refuses to acknowledge. Under
compulsion ( here I mean more the facts of circumstances than
political or personal force) people adapt, sometimes with surprising
alacrity, but it requires institutions, skills, incentives and most of
all competent leadership to make significant changes. As absurd as the
modern American nation has become it remains that we are the most
physically productive economy in history (contra populist rhetoric, we
manufacture and mine more than we ever have, we just don t use human
beings for it) and that gives a huge amount of buffer. Look at how
garbage Brasil is today, while being far poorer and more violent than
our own society, and without much sign of a popular revolt or Caesar
to correct the inanities of their abusive elite. We have a long way to
fall before we get to Brasil, which means that the US could face
literally centuries of decline before its masses are hard pressed
enough, and is elites fractured enough, to actually lead to productive
reverses (rather than mere catastrophic and pointless civil wars and
grifter populism).
I believe that having a decent mass society is mostly a
matter of luck, as the masses are simply too easily manipulated and
their betters too comfortable to actually force through the drastic
changes needed. Like yourself I don t believe in an AI controlled
Brave New World, but I don t see why America won t just become a huge
Honduras where most people are serfs to warlords and crooked business
interests, destined to be shot if they try to fight the inept,
universally corrupt but heavily armed police and military forces. Of
course the situation in South America is partly predicated on American
intervention and ethnic problems, but we re making our own ethnic
problems and could easily become a colony for some outside empire once
we become too pathetic to defend ourselves.
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Vxxc
November 9, 2021

The bourgeoisie are useless in strife.
That s if they were men instead of the AWFL wife s Drone
slaves- and they are slaves.
Eunuchs.

The Middle Class are AWFLS (affluent white ladies) and
at best they will stand aside. Neither their husbands nor sons are
worth even asking.

The election in Virginia was simply a Basic lesson of
politics since 1965; our elites will not live as peasants. They live
conservative, affluent lives and govern over an ever spreading
progressive Detroit Hell.

They live Republican and govern Democrat.
They live Rumson or Montclair and govern Camden, Newark.
Respectfully Heaven and Hell, NJ.

Re: Assassination Politics

2022-10-28 Thread grarpamp

Assassination Politics: Government, The Bell Tolls For Thee

https://c4ss.org/content/1157

Thomas L. Knapp | October 1st, 2009

James Dalton Bell expects to be released from federal prison on December
20th, 2009. Given past events, however, that release may be short-lived,
or simply not occur at all.

The US government considers Bell a very dangerous man. So dangerous, in
fact, that during his last trial (if it can even be called that) the
entire court record was sealed, he was forbidden to subpoena witnesses,
and he was forcibly "represented" by a lawyer chosen by the government,
whom he was not allowed to fire.

What makes Bell so dangerous? He has an idea, and he's written about that
idea in detail and at length. His version of the idea is one that most
would probably classify as "extreme," but it's the nature, not the
extremity, of the idea which got government into a tizzy.

Bell's calls his idea "assassination politics:" An anonymous prediction
market in the deaths of political figures. In a prediction market,
participants place bets on events, and collect if their predictions are
correct (the players who aren't correct lose their money).

Simply put, Bell's idea is that anonymous, untraceable digital money will
allow the enforcement of "good behavior" on politicians. A politician who
pisses people off will find his or her name listed in the "assassination
market." Once enough money is in the pool under that politician's name to
make it worth the risk, someone will "bet" on when that politician is
going to die, kill (or arrange the killing of) the politician at the time
in question, and collect the pool money.

Actually, calling this Bell's idea is stretching things. He didn't invent
digital money, nor did he invent the concept of an "assassination market."
He just wrote about the political implications of both. He's now spent
more than a decade in the court system and in various prisons for doing
so.

Bell's essay took emerging technological developments to their theoretical
extreme, but government prosecutors couldn't try him for "felony
production of essays." Instead, they patched together a crazy quilt of
allegations, ranging from tax evasion to "stalking a federal employee" --
some possibly true, some probably false, most unworthy of being called
"crimes" even if true.

It would be easy to write off the Bell case as an outlier -- a rare case
of government overreaction -- if not for the fact that in the decade
following his initial prosecution, lots of other people have found
themselves confronted by police, and some have even gone to jail, for
implementing a non-extreme, but central, element of the package he put
together. That element? Outing and identifying bad actors in government.

With the advent of small, portable digital cameras, "gotcha" moments have
embarrassed "law enforcement" with public documentation of abuses on a
regular basis. The response has been a general crackdown -- not on bad
cops, but on those who expose them. Bloggers, "real journalists" and
regular citizens have been roughed up, and in some cases arrested on bogus
"disorderly conduct" charges, for nothing more than taking pictures of
public employees in action.

Post-9/11, the "global war on terror" has provided new excuses for
suppressing the urge to take photos or video footage. In America
"suspicious" behavior worthy of police attention now includes taking
photographs of buildings, an activity once considered a common pastime.
The United Kingdom's 2008 "anti-terror" law effectively makes it illegal
to photograph a police officer, a development no doubt looked upon with
approval by American "law enforcement."

The courts have generally upheld the power of a police officer to demand
identification from a citizen, but the trend has gone in the other
direction when it comes to the identities of police officers and other
government employees. Police departments routinely withhold the identities
of officers involved in shooting incidents. Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa
County, Arizona even subpoenaed and arrested two newspaper editors for
publishing his home address. Also in Arizona, Phoenix police raided the
home of a blogger who exposed bad cops, stealing his computers and
records.

http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/02/phoenix-police-raid-home-of-blogger-whose-writing-is-highly-critical-of-them/

The connection between the increasingly secretive attitude of "law
enforcement" and the writings of Jim Bell may seem tenuous, but it isn't.
Politicians desperately want you to not know, and to never learn, three
things: That you don't need them, that they do you more harm than good,
and that there might be something you can do about it.

Just as the music industry is losing its ongoing fight with peer-to-peer
file sharing tech, government is going to lose its fight with digital
photography and videography. And with Jim Bell.

Re: Assassination Politics

2022-11-03 Thread grarpamp

> Notable uptick...
> Stay out of the crossfire.

Two more...

Pelosi gets sordid attempted whack by DePape...

Khan feels the sting days later...

Imran Khan Undergoes Surgery After Surviving Assassination Attempt,
Shooter Confesses
Pakistan security services have confirmed an attempted assassination
against the country's ex-Prime Minister Imran Khan earlier in the day
at a political rally.

https://twitter.com/Samurai19801/status/1588192645116985345
CCTV camera footage of the shooter who shot Imran Khan. The shooter
was subsequently arrested by PTI members and handed over to Pakistani
Police. pic.twitter.com/zrHSs8kq4m
— Soviet -Afghan Wars Samurai 1980 (@Samurai19801) November 3, 2022

https://indianexpress.com/article/pakistan/imran-khans-shooter-on-camera-wanted-to-kill-him-because-he-was-misleading-people-8247925/

https://twitter.com/HassanAyub82/status/1588156758932889601
“I wanted to eliminate him because he (Imran Khan) was misleading the
people. I tried to shoot him and nobody else. I made the decision when
he left from Lahore. I acted alone, nobody else is involved,” the
alleged shooter was heard saying in a video uploaded by Pakistan
journalist Hamid Mir.

"Six others, including politician Faisal Javed Khan, were also
reportedly injured in the attack," the report adds.
Thus it appears a mass shooting and significant assassination attempt
on the former head of state and his top officials. As details are
emerging, it is not as yet clear who or what group was behind the
shooting.

https://twitter.com/iihtishamm/status/1588145363529105408
Footage of the firing. Assassination attempt on Imran Khan.
pic.twitter.com/fmSgI2E8jc
— Ihtisham Ul Haq (@iihtishamm) November 3, 2022

https://twitter.com/MusaNV18/status/1588140040529526789
Imran Khan was shot in the leg but was stable while being taken to
hospital.I saw the assassin while firing from top of container, he
fired a burst from his pistol & he was on the left side. He celebrated
after firing so it was a planned assassination attempt.
pic.twitter.com/OcNJhHTNcg

Re: Assassination Politics

2023-01-02 Thread grarpamp

> Notable uptick...
> Stay out of the crossfire.

Going after Figureheads always leaves the Pols from
which replacement Figureheads will continue to be drawn.
Yet another...


Man With Bomb & Knife Arrested Trying To Enter Lula's Inauguration Celebration

https://news.sky.com/story/lula-inauguration-man-carrying-explosive-device-and-knife-arrested-military-police-say-12777944

Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva was sworn in as Brazil's next president
Sunday, and was greeted to cheers by hundreds of thousands of
celebrating supporters packing the streets of the capital of Brasilia,
after he defeated far-right incumbent Jair Bolsonaro in what was the
tightest presidential race in over three decades.

"Our message to Brazil is one of hope and reconstruction," Lula said
in an inaugural speech to Congress’ Lower House as his first act as
president. "The great edifice of rights, sovereignty and development
that this nation built has been systematically demolished in recent
years. And to re-erect this edifice, we are going to direct all our
efforts."
Image via Associated Press

Thus he's vowing to heal a deeply divided nation, and at a moment many
of Bolsonaro's most die-hard supporters are still pushing for the Lula
victory to get overturned.

The Associated Press observed Sunday, "Many have gathered outside
military barracks since, questioning results and pleading with the
armed forces to prevent Lula from taking office."

And further, the Left is labelling some Bolsonaro supporters who
believe the election was fraudulent as 'terrorists':

His most die-hard backers resorted to what some authorities and
incoming members of Lula’s administration labeled acts of "terrorism"
– something the country had not seen since the early 1980s, and which
has prompted security concerns about inauguration day events.

Security was especially beefed up in response to a mid-week incident
wherein a man, now in custody, was believed plotting to assassinate
the president-elect.

But on Sunday, another potential assassination plot was foiled, the
military described, as a man was reportedly caught with a bomb trying
to gain entry to inauguration day celebration events.

President-elect @LulaOficial makes his constitutional commitment
in Congress and is sworn in as the 39th President of the Federative
Republic of #Brazil. pic.twitter.com/Kx22r2WhbF
— Gurbaksh Singh Chahal (@gchahal) January 1, 2023

As Sky News reports, "A man carrying an explosive device and a knife
has been arrested while attempting to enter the inauguration of
Brazil's new president, according to military police."

"The man was trying to enter Brasilia's esplanade for the inauguration
of President-elect Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, according to a
spokesperson from the city's military police force," the report
details.

Journalists present in the capital on Sunday estimated some 300,000
were gathered along the esplanade to take part in the party in
aftermath of Lula's swearing-in ceremony.

Re: Assassination Politics

2023-02-02 Thread grarpamp

What does OpenAI's ChatGPT oracle have to say
about Assassination Politics...

Surely some people can feed it some questions
on the matter and post the replies...

Re: Assassination Politics

2023-03-19 Thread grarpamp

Coinbase Delists Augur (REP)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Augur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Prize_Foundation

A political delisting attack may have just been activated against Augur
and Distributed General Prediction Markets... check news to confirm
any potential cancellation trend among such market projects.

Further development of these innovative DGPM markets is known
to enable beneficial and useful models for helping free societies
to post, choose among, validate, crowdfund, and fulfill predictions
towards efficiently accomplishing shared goals, such as building
and maintaining "the roads", fusion power, curing cancer, etc,
thereby eliminating the inefficient, slow, skimming, corrupt,
and unnecessary middlemen of Govts and Banks from the
process and ensuring that quality proposals are competitively
bid claimed and performed according to the crowdfunded
specification before payment.

Distributed General Prediction Markets (DGPM's) will become the
best "X Prize" mechanisms of the future, and for a free humanity.

DARPA Grand Challenge
Elevator:2010
Global Security Challenge
H-Prize
Hutter Prize
Inducement prize contest
L Prize
Methuselah prize
Orteig Prize

Re: Assassination Politics

2023-04-14 Thread grarpamp

> Notable uptick...
> Stay out of the crossfire.

Governments Politicians and Corporations around the world assassinate,
and plot to assassinate, directly or via proxy, many people every year,
some of whom are innocent civilians, journalists, demonstrators for causes,
competitors, etc. Such acts have been well documented by historians.
These entities have also written papers debating assassination markets,
including suggesting them for their own use.
A next generation of AI, and AI Chat-GPT Oracle Services, NetBots,
and 3D Drones, has recently appeared, and the entities are salivating
for their every potential use of it. Beware their crossfire.



A Computer Generated Swatting Service Is Causing Havoc Across America

https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7z8be/torswats-computer-generated-ai-voice-swatting
https://www.vice.com/oembed.vice.com/itnAcZa?playerjs=1
https://www.vice.com/oembed.vice.com/nKdrAAE?playerjs=1
https://www.vice.com/oembed.vice.com/qrqVHig?playerjs=1

by Joseph Cox April 13, 2023
Hacking. Disinformation. Surveillance. CYBER is Motherboard's podcast
and reporting on the dark underbelly of the internet.

As the U.S. deals with a nationwide swatting wave, Motherboard has traced
much of the activity to a particular swatting-as-a-service account on
Telegram. Torswats uses synthesized voices to pressure law enforcement
to specific locations.

"Hello, I just committed a crime and I want to confess," a panicked
sounding man said in a call to a police department in February. "I've
placed explosives inside a local school,' the man continued.

"You did what?!" the operator responded.

"I've placed explosives inside a local school," the man said again, before
specifying Hempstead High School in Dubuque, Iowa, and providing its
address. In response to the threat, the school went on lockdown, and
police searched the school but found nothing, according to a local media
report.

The bombs weren't real. But, crucially, neither was the man's voice. The
panicked man's lines sound artificially generated, according to recordings
of the swatting calls reviewed by Motherboard. It is unclear how exactly
the caller generated the voice, be that some form of artificial
intelligence tool or another speech synthesis program. The result, though,
is a voice that sounds very consistent across multiple calls.

In fact, Motherboard has found, this synthesized call and another against
Hempstead High School were just one small part of a months-long,
nationwide campaign of dozens, and potentially hundreds, of threats made
by one swatter in particular who has weaponized computer generated voices.
Known as "Torswats" on the messaging app Telegram, the swatter has been
calling in bomb and mass shooting threats against highschools and other
locations across the country. Torswat's connection to these wide ranging
swatting incidents has not been previously reported. The further
automation of swatting techniques threatens to make an already dangerous
harassment technique more prevalent.

Swatting is when someone calls in a bogus threat in an attempt to direct
law enforcement resources to a particular home, school, or other location.
Often, swatting calls result in heavily armed police raiding an innocent
victim's home. At least one case has resulted in police killing the
unsuspecting occupant.

Torswats carries out these threatening calls as part of a paid service
they offer. For $75, Torswats says they will close down a school. For $50,
Torswats says customers can buy "extreme swattings," in which authorities
will handcuff the victim and search the house. Torswats says they offer
discounts to returning customers, and can negotiate prices for "famous
people and targets such as Twitch streamers." Torswats says on their
Telegram channel that they take payment in cryptocurrency.

In the Hempstead High School case, authorities have charged a 16-year old
boy who allegedly ordered the threats with making a threat of terrorism.
But Torswats remains operational, publishing a steady stream of recordings
of their crimes as recently as last week. Arguably, Torswats' use of
synthetic voices allows them to carry out swatting threats at scale with
relatively little effort, while also protecting what their own voice
sounds like.

Motherboard has determined that Torswats` other targets include a CBD shop
in Florida; the corporate headquarters of a Bethesda, Maryland,
intelligence company that tracks extremism; and multiple private
residences across Virginia, Massachusetts, Texas, California, and more.

"The FBI takes swatting very seriously because it puts innocent people at
risk," Steve Bernd, public affairs at FBI Seattle, told Motherboard in an
email. Bernd said FBI Seattle was aware of the threats made against
Hempstead High School. "These calls are dangerous to first responders and
to the victims. The callers often tell tales of hostages about to be
executed or bombs about to go off. The community is placed in danger as
responders rush to the sc

Re: Assassination Politics

2023-05-25 Thread grarpamp

> Notable uptick...
> Stay out of the crossfire.

Ukrainian partner portal of "Spiegel" and BBC publicly calls for the
murder of Russians
Lord Bebo @MyLordBebo
https://t.me/myLordBebo
Big Ukrainian news portal UNIAN conducts a poll which Russian
journalist to kill next. -> This portal has a big audience and is in
partnership with the “who is who” of the MSM including BBC, The Times
and Bloomberg. 1/
The poll is still up and you can vote … -> Nazis don’t hide it … that
poll caused a backlash … they still keep it up 2/
https://t.me/
Soloviev 55%, Somonyan 16%, Krasovsky 13%, Pegov 8%, Mardan 5%, Kiselev 3%

Re: Assassination Politics

2023-06-19 Thread grarpamp

> Notable uptick...
> Stay out of the crossfire.

Two more violent SocComs expose themselves as such...

https://crypto.news/china-allegedly-offers-bitcoin-bounty-to-murder-australian-ccp-critic/

Del. Stacey Plaskett (D-Virgin Islands): "Trump needs to be shot."

Hey Chairman Xi aka Winnie the Pooh... go fuck yourself
with Stacey's strapon.

China allegedly offers bitcoin bounty to murder Australian CCP critic

According to an 60 Minutes Australia report, a so-called "bounty email"
surfaced that purportedly offers $50,000 bounty in bitcoin (BTC) for the
"termination" of Vanessa Pavlou, mother of outspoken Chinese Communist
Party (CCP) critic and human rights activist, Drew Pavlou.

The emails targeting Vanessa Pavlou were allegedly sent to major shopping
centers in Brisbane — in an alleged attempt to reach her employer. No
in-person aggression has been reported by 60 seconds.

The email, allegedly from CCP actors, also accuses Vanessa Pavlou of
running an illicit prostitution ring and being a cocaine addict. However,
it remains unverified if this email truly originated from CCP entities, or
if this is an intimidation tactic or an actual threat.

Bitcoin, a decentralized cryptocurrency, is favored in many illicit
activities due to its relative anonymity and lack of central authority
able to stop and reverse transactions.

Although each transaction is logged on a public ledger known as the
blockchain, the identities of those involved remain obscured by
pseudonymous addresses that expert users can cash in from without linking
them to their identities.

Thus, its use in this alleged bounty raises questions regarding the
sender's motives and identity, as tracing back such transactions is
difficult, but not impossible.

This event follows a string of accusations from Australians who criticize
China's government, with reports of harassment and threats of violence.

One such instance highlighted by Australian media involves a television
commentator critical of the CCP who was taken into custody and questioned,
following an erroneous accusation of him sending a threatening email to a
Chinese-Australian journalist.

Although he was released without charge, his case is purportedly
indicative of the alleged tactics used to suppress dissent, even outside
China's borders.

60 Minutes Australia's report brought attention to the allegations that
China is covertly operating a network of illegal outposts, labeled Chinese
Overseas Police Service Stations, in at least 53 countries with some
sources reporting more than double.

These stations, reportedly run out of private residences and small
businesses such as restaurants, are staffed by Chinese public security
agents and are suspected of tracking and intimidating critics who have
escaped China's jurisdiction.

Public documentation reportedly suggests that these overseas police
stations have been established without the consent of the host countries,
and are illegal.

The stations' defenders claim that those stations exist to provide
innocuous services like driver's license renewals, which critics argue is
a facade for China's international shadow police force that targets
dissidents who have fled the mainland and Chinese nationals and foreigners
who criticize the Chinese government.

The report also brought to light two alleged stations in Australia,
including one in suburban Sydney.

The 60 Minutes Australia report alleges that China's National Supervision
Commission established these stations, not only to enforce domestic
anti-corruption campaigns but also to monitor Chinese nationals abroad and
intimidate those who voice dissent against the CCP.

The Chinese embassy in Australia dismissed these claims as "malicious,"
and Australian federal police have denied the existence of such stations
in the country.

As tensions continue to mount, it remains to be seen how the Australian
government will respond to the growing concerns of its citizens who face
potential threats for their vocal criticism of the CCP.

Re: Assassination Politics

2023-06-26 Thread grarpamp

>> In fact, PM's are ideal for answering the remaining
>> age old question of "But who will build the roads?"
>> in a voluntary NAP preserving libertarian society.

> Will Prediction Markets be the answer to "But Who Will Build
> The Roads?", and other Questions of "Shared / Public" resources?

Not only do General Prediction Markets (GPM's) solve the
question of "What are the better 'public investments' to do?"...
as determined by the actual public, instead of by tyrannies
of (laughable "democratic") central authorities (which history
has proven always care more about themselves than the human
condition)... GPM's are also strictly better than "crowdfunding".
This is because fraudulent countless crowdfund recipients will
always popup to defraud the crowd at will, enabled by the fact
that the contracts of the fraudulent crowdfund proposer are
by nature setup as award-before-delivery mode, and even
worse, in a many-losses-sent-to-one-walkaway-scammer
payout mode. Whereas GPM's use award-upon-delivery to specification
mode, from whatever inputs back the trusted-by-history-of-example
payors (which predictors are free to choose from and predict or not),
to the claimant payee upon completion. Of course such payee will
need to have built up or secured via other methods the means
to complete the work (herein "The Roads", or whatever meter
or pothole of them) in order to claim the prediction and thus
earn the reward. However, even that can be parceled out
by the GPM's as piecewise rewards toward any larger goal...
anyone who can earn the smallest of monetary units by their human
labor, can spend that into claiming the next larger prediction, thus
also remaining consistent with fundamentals of economics.
Note also that GPM's rapidly advance human capabilities and
drive public costs lower by being claimed by the first competitor
that can arise do it profitably. No resources are wasted by any party,
and crony favoritism, roads and bridges to nowhere, etc, are all driven out.
Crowdfunds and Governments simply cannot match the performance
of GPM's in these regards. Yes, silly tycoons will fund art deco roads
to nowhere, but that is at their own loss and that of their investors, not
lossed forced upon and extracted from the public through inflation and
theft as all Govts immorally and criminally do today. Given the abject,
guaranteed, inefficient, oppressive, corrupt, and ruinous failure of all
Govt in history to do any such works...

GPM's should be explored, developed, and operated to
"Build the Roads", "Get to Mars", "Cure Cancer",
"Fusion Power", "Charity", etc... whatever humanity feels
needs done.

You might find the results to be pleasantly surprising.

Re: Assassination Politics

2023-09-12 Thread grarpamp

Various wrote:

> https://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/archive/1996/11/e64f667c278643deb58a45642d0f3ea6b64a01fab294b
cc9be681fd5656895f2/
> Message ID: v03007804aea877ef27a6

> How am I going to get paid?
> I don't mean some pseudoanonymous mechanism of payment,
> but who decides I get paid?
> Who do I complain to if I don't get paid?

> hash of a document describing the intended details
> you pseudonymously complain to the public
> If they cannot prove it ... they lose power.

An autonomous General Prediction Market (GPM) is expected
to morph those "human" problems away.

Such a system would have a reliable survivable uncensorable distributed
P2P VM node network executing a number of functions on its platform.
Most of the theoretical bits do exist as pieces today, with the
last piece being the AI language processors that have recently come
online. In effect, a form of p2p distributed computing environment.

- Oracle capable of searching and accurately assessing external
news sources, self updating its API's to them as it goes.
- Claims Processor that interprets formatted received claims
and feeds them as queries to the Oracle.
- Listing maintenance features, adding, refund on expiry, etc.
- A Cryptocurrency protocol to accumulate bids, send awards.

However it will be quite some time, probably more than a decade,
before people are able to stitch everything all together to create
the first truly autonomous GPM's.

And when that technological AI Singularity happens you will
probably have much bigger things to reckon with than a silly GPM.

Now in the intermediate time until autonomous GPM's appear,
there are some examples of non-autonomous PM's...

There are a few p2p GPM's being built such as Augur, but
all to date seem to have included the ability to cancel
"unconscionable" markets. Of course it is known that what
that really means is cancel culture censoring FreeSpeech,
protecting Power from inconvenient inquisition of FreeSpeech,
etc.

Users may freely fork those projects around such restrictions.

And they'll probably want to develop better resistant comms
and cryptocurrency networks to run everything over.

Then there may be a rise of DAO's to handle some of the needed
functions of a PM. DAO's and Governance and Voting and all that
are already well described elsewhere. Another set of problems.

The fully degenerate case of a Sanjuro style PM has already
been run at least a few times over the years. None proved out.

A more elegant development upon Sanjuro dispenses
with the "website" and uses the "blockchain" itself.

Today anyone can run their own Prediction Markets, over a "blockchain"
or any other cryptocurrency protocol used to transfer nominal value
between addresses. All that is required is that the cryptocurrency
(such as Ethereum ETH) supports the ability to send a message (the
announcement, and a claim, as an arbitrary txtbin, encrypted and
or signed as needed or not) to the same address which is serving
as the publicly visible bid accumulator, or to whatever addresses
the operator of the PM specifies. Today there are hundreds of such
cryptocurrencies to choose from upon which one could run a market.

It must be presumed that for all these non-autonomous forms of PM...

- The game operator is inclined, by nature of their posing or
selecting and running the questions, to have an interest in
seeing an accurate prediction as an answer to those questions.
- Any game operator that does not prove themselves, via starting
with trivially completable questions and increasing to difficult
questions, will now likely be ignored as a probable scammer.
Thus they will not receive accurate predictions.
- Bidders and Claimants will not patronize unproven operators.

... the anonymous drug markets have already proven that
those presumptions are working well enough to achieve
reasonably stable marketplaces capable of servicing users.

Of course Sanjuro's notoriety was notable, so directly running a
pertinent set of questions might still work today, but twice fooled
will be the last time anyone bids such an unproven operation.

It is also notable that the Ultimate Ponzi or Question, for which the
market might seem to require high levels of proven trust, does not
necessarily ever need to be posed, as in some cases that future
question may disappear via the impart of prior lesser predictions...
course of history already changed in that direction without ever
going there directly.

Though the talk of PM's have perhaps yet to be run entirely
within a cryptocurrency protocol, there are already hundreds
of PM's being run on websites to answer trivial standard fare
questions such as outcomes of sports, weather, elections, etc.

And there are lots of people coming up with genius methods to
use many of today's top-100 cryptocurrency protocols in ways
that weren't necessarily specified, forseen, or intended by their
original designers.

In short, it is possible for people to run PM's today.

Designs will grow

Re: Assassination Politics

2023-10-10 Thread grarpamp

Politicians, Elites, Govts, Corps, and their Military Complexes
will be the ones doing AP, against each other, their own
whitepapers proffer the subject and analysis.
Already have been centuries of their literal assassination of
people, both domestic and abroad, directly and contracted.
And more threats...


Six Ways From Sunday? Ex-CIA Director 'Jokes' About Assassinating US Senator

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden on Monday joked about assassinating
Sen. Tommy Tuberville.

Tuberville, who serves as the head of the Senate Armed Services
Committee, has been blocking bulk confirmations of hundreds of
military officers for key leadership roles in protest of a Pentagon
policy that pays for troops' abortions and other reproductive
services.

Tuberville’s blockade prevents the Senate Armed Services Committee
from quickly approving nominations by a unanimous vote, forcing Senate
Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) to send some promotions to the
full Senate floor for votes.

A spokesman for Tuberville told NBC News over the weekend that the
former Auburn University football coach isn’t planning on backing down
from his blockade even amid Hamas’ deadly attack on Israel. -NY Post

"Should Tommy Tuberville be removed from his committee?" asked
Democrat activist Nathalie Jacoby, to which Hayden replied: "How about
the human race?"

How about the human race? https://t.co/UCGCfF1lA3
— Gen Michael Hayden (@GenMhayden) October 10, 2023

The reactions to the ex-head of an agency that's been known to 'reach
out and touch' their enemies, suggesting Tuberville's assassination,
are about what one would expect:

Them: The media and the deep state are not out to get Republicans,
that’s a conspiracy theory

CNN National Security Analyst And Former Head Of The CIA Michael
Hayden: Tommy Tuberville should be assassinated
pic.twitter.com/mig8jma8Lg
— Logan Dobson (@LoganDobson) October 10, 2023

Dear Spoogemonger. Tuberville has done America a great service.
Questioning yours now.
— Larry Schweikart (@LarrySchweikart) October 10, 2023

He's likely a CIA operative! None of them respect their oath.
— Scott A McMillan (@scott4670) October 10, 2023

"Former CIA Director Michael Hayden calls for the assassination of
Sen. Tuberville because the senator is performing desperately needed
oversight of the U.S. Military," wrote The Federalist's Mollie
Hemmighway on X.

Truly sickening.
— Robby Starbuck (@robbystarbuck) October 10, 2023

As the Post notes, this isn't the first time Hayden has taken shots at
Tuberville.

"Tuberville absolutely is a racist," Hayden posted to "X" last month.

I have aphasia. Sometimes my meaning isn’t clear. What I meant to
say is Tuberville absolutely is a racist. Or, in other words, it is
not wrong to say he is a racist. https://t.co/bGHAhPJhQE
— Gen Michael Hayden (@GenMhayden) September 29, 2023

He also signed an open letter in August from retired military and
State Department officials slamming Tuberville's "reckless" protest.

"Risking our military’s planning and preparedness, and our national
security to make a political point is far out of bounds," reads the
letter. "The world is too dangerous to cede our leadership, which is
why we urge Senator Tuberville swiftly end his blockade and to respect
our nation’s service members and their families."

Re: Assassination Politics

2023-10-18 Thread grarpamp

Poll: Driven By Rage, Almost Half Of Young Democratic Men Say
Assassination Of Political Opponents Ok

https://www.tampafp.com/poll-driven-by-rage-almost-half-of-young-democratic-men-say-assassination-political-opponents-ok/

June 2, 2022 Liam Edgar

Democrats may be the most vocal, most rabid advocates for gun control.

But that doesn’t mean they are anti-violence. In fact, a new poll shows
an alarmingly high number of young Democrats are fine with assassinating
political rivals.

That was based on a newly released poll by the left-wing Southern Poverty
Law Center.

The SPLC, which has long routinely labeled its opponent's bigots or white
supremacists, surveyed 1,500 people in April.

True to form, the SPLC poll was intended to show how racism is alive and
well on the right.

The SPLC claimed in a press release that the poll indicated “the ideas
underpinning the white nationalist ‘great replacement’ narrative
recently cited by an alleged white supremacist terrorist in Buffalo, New
York, have become thoroughly mainstream on the political right.”

“Nearly 7 in 10 Republicans surveyed agree to at least some extent that
demographic changes in the United States are deliberately driven by
liberal and progressive politicians attempting to gain political power by
‘replacing more conservative white voters,’” the group noted.

Of course, the SPLC steered clear of how those same “liberal and
progressive politicians” and their media allies actually feed that
narrative.

They do so by cheering the decline of the white population, by openly and
loudly declaring that America must atone for its racist past with set
asides for blacks and other minorities in education and employment in the
name of “diversity, equity, and inclusion,” and by denouncing that
America as “systemically racist” and arguing that the path to racial
harmony lies in crowding whites out of political office, corporate
boardrooms, and other power centers.

Nonetheless, the SPLC said its intent of the poll was “to examine to
what degree people in certain groups feel threatened or persecuted by
members of a defined ‘outgroup.’”

The group said it uncovered among respondents “a great deal of hostility
for people on the other side of the political aisle.

“A majority of both Republicans and Democrats believe their political
opponents pose a threat to the country and want to harm their political
opponents. That kind of animosity could fuel partisan violence — a
possibility that our results suggest we should take seriously,” the SPLC
said.

The group noted that about 1 of 5 respondents “approved of threatening
or assassinating a politician.”

Buried at the bottom of its press release, the SPLC discussed its findings
on “partisanship and violence.”

It found that 67 percent of Democrats see Republicans as a “threat” to
the country, compared to 63 percent of Republicans who felt the same about
Democrats.

When asked to identify the top three threats to America, Democrats
answered with, in descending order, Russian dictator Vladimir Putin,
former President Donald Trump, and “extremists” in the Republican
Party.

The SPLC claimed, “Those on the right appear more likely to approve of
political violence.” That emerged from a question about whether “some
violence might be necessary to protect the country from radical
extremists.”

On that issue, 41 percent of Republicans agreed, compared to 34 percent of
Democrats and 29 percent of independents.

Yet when the SPLC asked if threaten or even assassinating is appropriate
for a politician who is “harming the country or our democracy,”
“levels of approval for both scenarios were slightly higher for
Democrats than Republicans, driven largely by the approval of younger
Democratic men.”

Overall, 44 percent of Democratic men who were “younger,” defined as
under 50, supported the idea of assassinating a politician they believed
was “harming the country or our democracy. Only 34 percent of younger
Republican men agreed, while just 6 percent of older GOP men did.

And, naturally, as the SPLC noted, this is the Republican Party’s fault.

“Not all of those who say they approve of violent actions are willing or
able to commit them personally. The decision to carry out political
violence depends on a multitude of factors, including opportunity, means
and the broader political environment,” the group said in the release.
“But we do currently live in a moment when political leaders are leaning
into violent rhetoric, meaning the social sanctions against violence could
be eroding and, in the process, creating an atmosphere more conducive to
acts of political violence.”

In conclusion, the SPLC added, “Our guard should be up, especially after
receiving yet another stark reminder of the immense pain and violence that
can come when far-right ideas are allowed to fester.”

Re: Assassination Politics

2023-10-18 Thread grarpamp

Acting Prime Minister Of Haiti To Resign Amid Post-Assassination
Political Crisis
https://dailycaller.com/2021/07/19/haiti-prime-minister-claude-joseph-jovenel-moise-ariel-henry/

Re: Assassination Politics

2023-10-18 Thread grarpamp

"
[this user's account deleted by social media censors]

re: AP

You mean like have a Neilson ratings device in every
home and if enough people hit the kill switch on one
politician at the same time, then, Zap! A lightning bolt
strikes them down? I'll buy that for a dollar.
"

Re: Assassination Politics

2023-11-05 Thread grarpamp

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Re: Assassination Politics

2021-03-20 Thread grarpamp

Consider that perhaps the only reason that this fabled system...
or more broadly a system capable of predicting generic
events and trends, allocating resources, whatever...
has apparently not yet been developed or deployed,
may indeed be that cryptocurrency itself has not yet
reached a sufficient level of entrenched global adoption and
widespread dependent usage such that say the bespoke
Govts/Corps would have at least as much difficulty banning
cryptocurrency as they might find in ignoring the predictions
of systems capable of producing such insights.

Therefore those who want better weather predictions
should first put more effort into creating cryptocurrencies suitable
for use as simply money, and thus among all money's uses,
for use with such prediction markets, and work on ensuring the
widespread and in-depth global adoption and use of such cryptos.

Question: Temperature in Paris will reach 45degC on?
Question: AES will be cracked on?
Question: Govt secrets will be disclosed on?
Question: Cancer will be cured on?
Question: War will end on?
Question: ...
Current reward: $1M
Prediction: ?

Many questions will enjoin formidible legacy forces that
will be opposed to any reward and predictions being lodged.

No   coin + adoption level   combination currently exists that can
sustain such questions up against such forces that will fight
to quash whichever coins are involved. And since adoption takes
time, tasking any coins prematurely can meet the same end.

Hardly any coins in development are even academically capable
of distributed, censorship and governance free, P2P, privacy,
non printable, wider adoption, 100 to 1000+ tps, not using endless
growth of disk space per transaction, etc... and aren't just simple
money. No features, apps, tokens, defi, compute, contracts, nft, etc.
A short message field in just money.

Create, adopt, money... then predict more sunny days :)


(nb ie: Bitcoin-BTC failed usability as money in at least: tps,
privacy, disk space based utxo model also resulting in sync
bandwidth required.)

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-03-20 Thread \0xDynamite

On 11/28/20, grarpamp  wrote:
>> https://augur.net

That platform looks very cool.  Just the kind of thing Jim Bell was
looking for.  Betting for anything you want.  I wonder how they
calculate the odds?

marxos

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-03-21 Thread grarpamp

On 3/21/21, \0xDynamite  wrote:
>> https://augur.net/
> calculate the odds?

Again, and before such details, you would have to research
augur's current design and operation status regarding these
quotes from the internet...

"
2 years ago
Last I heard, Augur actually had a mechanism in place to prevent this.
The outcome of a bet could either be true, false, or "immoral bet so
nullified."
That was back when they were still using Schelling points, so I don't
know whether it's changed.
Yes, indeed I have heard about the "immorality clause" in the nature
of the bets.
It will depend on what REP holders consider immoral, and believe most
other REP holders will consider immoral. My guess is that
assassination markets will pass that bar.
"

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-03-23 Thread grarpamp

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/mar/23/facebook-guidelines-allow-for-users-to-call-for-death-of-public-figures

Facebook's bullying and harassment policy explicitly allows for
"public figures" to be targeted in ways otherwise banned on the site,
including "calls for [their] death," according to a tranche of
internal moderator guidelines leaked to the Guardian. "Because we want
to allow discussion, which often includes critical commentary of
people who are featured in the news."

According to public figure Democrats, Trump recently
called for their death in the Capitol... via Facebook,
which is owned by Democrat Mark Zuckerberg,
who censored Trump for... discussion, critique,
commentary, and news.

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-03-29 Thread grarpamp

https://darknetdaily.com/?p=2050

In January 2020, Tampere police found the body of a 44-year-old man in his home
...
In 2019, Hytönen posted an ad on the Tor internet network—which
facilitates anonymous and encrypted online communication—offering his
services as a hit man, asking to be paid in Bitcoin.

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-06-20 Thread grarpamp

Decentralized protocols, oracles, for judging events,
JaaS (Justice As A Service)
https://kleros.io/
ChainLink

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-07-29 Thread grarpamp

Anarchist Vigilantes: An Idea for Real Justice (Part 1/2) (LUA Podcast #57)
https://libertyunderattack.com/anarchist-vigilantes-idea-real-justice-part-12-lua-podcast-57/
https://libertyunderattack.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/lua-10.22-show-image.jpg
https://libertyunderattack.com/wp-content/uploads/Documents/LUA171022final.mp3
https://media.blubrry.com/liberty_under_attack_radio/s/www.libertyunderattack.com/wp-content/uploads/Documents/LUA171022final.mp3
https://ad-store.sgp1.digitaloceanspaces.com/LUA/Documents/LUA171022final.mp3
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rKuIS-dRbj4/

On this episode of Liberty Under Attack Radio, Im joined once again
by our creative consultant, Kyle Rearden. In this part 1 of a 2-part
series, we discuss vigilantism; more specifically:

 The history of vigilantism in America
 The role comic books have played in its popularity
 How to fund a committee of vigilance or an individual vigilante
 How vigilantism could shift public perception of anarchist to a positive light
 What training is necessary for vigilantes

And much, much more. Next week, we will tie it all together with a
discussion on assassination politics and avenging angels, a concept
promoted by Rayo in the 1960s. Kyle and I believe weve put together
a plausible, rough outline for how real justice could be achieved
and how to further efforts towards a (utopian) free society.


Anarchist Vigilantes: Assassination Politics, and Avenging Angels
(Part 2/2) (LUA Podcast #58)
https://libertyunderattack.com/anarchist-vigilantes-assassination-politics-avenging-angels-part-22-lua-podcast-58/
https://libertyunderattack.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/lua-10.29-show-image.jpg
https://libertyunderattack.com/wp-content/uploads/Documents/LUA171029FINAL.mp3
https://media.blubrry.com/liberty_under_attack_radio/p/www.libertyunderattack.com/wp-content/uploads/Documents/LUA171029FINAL.mp3
https://ad-store.sgp1.digitaloceanspaces.com/LUA/Documents/LUA171029FINAL.mp3
https://www.bitchute.com/video/dsmIXa3Kno0/

On this episode of Liberty Under Attack Radio, Kyle Rearden joins
me to conclude this two-part series on anarchist vigilantes,
assassination politics, and avenging angels. Last week, we went in
depth into how anarchist vigilantes could be used to defend person
and property, drive public perception of anarchism in a positive
direction, and how it could be used as a way to eventually abolish
the State. This week, we tie all three of these things together and
attempt to answer these questions:

 How could an assassination market work? How could the security
 of the participants be ensured? Could assassination markets be
 used as a tool to abolish the State? Slow the parasitism of an
 existing State? And more

 What are avenging angels? Could this use of Pavlovian psychology
 on the State actually work? How does an avenging angel fund
 differ from a legal defense fund? And more

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-07-29 Thread jim bell

Thank you.  

On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 04:58:05 PM PDT, grarpamp  
wrote:  
 
 Anarchist Vigilantes: An Idea for Real Justice (Part 1/2) (LUA Podcast #57)
https://libertyunderattack.com/anarchist-vigilantes-idea-real-justice-part-12-lua-podcast-57/
https://libertyunderattack.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/lua-10.22-show-image.jpg
https://libertyunderattack.com/wp-content/uploads/Documents/LUA171022final.mp3
https://media.blubrry.com/liberty_under_attack_radio/s/www.libertyunderattack.com/wp-content/uploads/Documents/LUA171022final.mp3
https://ad-store.sgp1.digitaloceanspaces.com/LUA/Documents/LUA171022final.mp3
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rKuIS-dRbj4/

On this episode of Liberty Under Attack Radio, Im joined once again
by our creative consultant, Kyle Rearden. In this part 1 of a 2-part
series, we discuss vigilantism; more specifically:

 The history of vigilantism in America
 The role comic books have played in its popularity
 How to fund a committee of vigilance or an individual vigilante
 How vigilantism could shift public perception of anarchist to a positive light
 What training is necessary for vigilantes

And much, much more. Next week, we will tie it all together with a
discussion on assassination politics and avenging angels, a concept
promoted by Rayo in the 1960s. Kyle and I believe weve put together
a plausible, rough outline for how real justice could be achieved
and how to further efforts towards a (utopian) free society.


Anarchist Vigilantes: Assassination Politics, and Avenging Angels
(Part 2/2) (LUA Podcast #58)
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On this episode of Liberty Under Attack Radio, Kyle Rearden joins
me to conclude this two-part series on anarchist vigilantes,
assassination politics, and avenging angels. Last week, we went in
depth into how anarchist vigilantes could be used to defend person
and property, drive public perception of anarchism in a positive
direction, and how it could be used as a way to eventually abolish
the State. This week, we tie all three of these things together and
attempt to answer these questions:

 How could an assassination market work? How could the security
 of the participants be ensured? Could assassination markets be
 used as a tool to abolish the State? Slow the parasitism of an
 existing State? And more

 What are avenging angels? Could this use of Pavlovian psychology
 on the State actually work? How does an avenging angel fund
 differ from a legal defense fund? And more

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-07-29 Thread professor rat

You Austro-Libertarian, Paultards keep using that word ' anarchism ".

I don't think it means what you Randite MORONS think it means.  

But don't just listen to me.

https://mises.org/library/are-libertarians-anarchists

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-07-29 Thread grarpamp

On 7/30/21, professor rat  wrote:
> You Austro-Libertarian, Paultards keep using that word ' anarchism ".
> I don't think it means what you Randite MORONS think it means.

Perhaps then you should define and tell people here
what you think it means before accusing others
of whatever they freely do or don't think it means
in relation to what you think it means.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTRKCXC0JFg

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-01 Thread jim bell

 On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 04:58:05 PM PDT, grarpamp  
wrote:

>Anarchist Vigilantes: Assassination Politics, and Avenging Angels
>(Part 2/2) (LUA Podcast #58)
Anarchist Vigilantes, Assassination Politics, & Avenging Angels (Part 2/2) (LUA 
Podcast #58) | Liberty Under Attack

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  I'm now up to about 9 minutes listening to this matter.  I don't expect it to 
include references to digital cash, the Internet, encryption, etc, but it's 
clearly following the same line of reasoning.
And 
remember:https://nakamotoinstitute.org/static/docs/from-crossbows-to-cryptography.pdf

"From Crossbows To Cryptography:Techno-Thwarting The StateChuck 
Hammillweaponsrus@earthlink.netFuture of Freedom Conference, November 1987"
Chuck Hammill suggesting using cryptography as a weapon.  I believe I read 
Hammill's essay in 1988, and the 1992 issue of Scientific American magazine 
when it came out, and finally wrote my Assassination Politics essay beginning 
January 1995.  
         Jim Bell

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-01 Thread professor rat

Many great inventions were co-discoveries - calculus - evolution by 
natural-selections, etc.

I have to wonder if APster markets isn't another one.  Clearly Mongo knew about 
them though regarding them as a bug rather than a feature. 

Then STIFFS dotcom started sometime in the 1990's. 

Jim Bell's deathly silence every time they get mentioned is beginning to look 
suspicious.

Another claimant / pretender / carpetbagger is the libertarian moron, Robin 
Hanson. 

Claims he was hawking networked prediction marts around various corporations in 
the early-mid 90's.

WL dead-enders might want to claim him as a cypherpunk revolutionary.  If the 
hairpiece fits...

The Nazi-fag-Assmange-libertarian-moron credo is certainly clear enough by 
now...

" From each according to their gullibility - to each according to their greed "

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-01 Thread jim bell

 On Sunday, August 1, 2021, 10:09:43 PM PDT, professor rat 
 wrote:
 
 >Many great inventions were co-discoveries - calculus - evolution by 
 >natural-selections, etc.

>I have to wonder if APster markets isn't another one.  Clearly Mongo knew 
>about them though regarding them as a bug rather than a feature. 
I wasn't aware of the existence of the Cypherpunks list until 
early-mid-February 1995.  I had put Part 1 of my Assassination Politics essay 
on a mail list Digitaliberty, by Bill Frezza, in early February 1995.  Somebody 
(I don't recall who; perhaps I never knew) copied it to Cypherpunks about 
February 14, 1995, and I was invited to CP.    (Bill Frezza soon enough found 
my AP idea 'too hot to handle', and I understood that.)
That record does not seem to reliably exist, however:  A few years ago, I 
discovered that the 1995 archive of Cypherpunks had been enormously 
tampered-with, removing almost all references to me, or "AP", or "assassination 
politics", etc.  This should have been quite obvious to anybody who perused the 
list, at least anybody who remembered some of the list events of 1995.  Looking 
at the archive, there were extended periods (months!) in which no emails 
appeared, presumably because ALL of them were about AP.  
This is the first I've heard about Nick Roberts, and his "Libertarian Jackals". 
 I'll have to contact him...
If, in early January 1995, somebody said to me, "Tim May", I would have 
immediately remembered (only) his very famous (at least among electrical 
engineers!) work, discovering that alpha particles (helium nuclei) seemed to be 
the cause of 'soft errors', data retention errors in dynamic RAMs (DRAMs).  Tim 
May apparently worked at Intel at Santa Clara, California.  When I began 
working at Intel, it was in Aloha, Oregon, at "Aloha 3", an engineering 
facility attached to Fabs 4 and 5.  I never met or communicated with him; 
perhaps he never came to Oregon, and I never went to any other Intel facility 
than those in Aloha or Hillsboro Oregon.  
I later (mid-1995 or 1996) discovered that May and a few others had postulated 
the existence of 'assassination markets', about 1989 and 1990.  But, I didn't 
know about that until 1995.  And, my understanding was, their idea amounted to:
     "Anonymous person A anonymously hires anonymous person B to kill person C".
It was certainly a idea worth discussing.  What I "brought to the party", with 
my AP essay, were two concepts that only later were given these names:
1.  "Crowdfunding".   The idea that instead of only one person hiring to see a 
politican dead, thousands or more such people could pool their money and donate 
to a fund.  Without this idea, it would be extremely unlikely that only one 
person would be willing to donate 'enough' money to see someone else dead, 
especially a prominent politican or government employee.  
2.  "Crowdsourcing".  The idea that instead of hiring ONLY ONE potential 
assassin, in principle everybody in the world would be offered the prize.   One 
big advantage to this is that it would be an enormous advantage to the target 
to know that ONLY ONE person is coming for him.  Rather, why not let him know 
that everyone in the world might be interested in this bounty?  How would he 
protect himself against...everybody?

>Then STIFFS dotcom started sometime in the 1990's. 

>Jim Bell's deathly silence every time they get mentioned is beginning to look 
>suspicious.

I had, and have, nothing against your STIFFS idea.  Nor did I ever object to 
it.  Anything that works, I say.
                Jim Bell

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-01 Thread jim bell

 This is Nick Roberts' "Libertarian Jackals" essay, which I haven't read so far.
http://www.libertarian.co.uk/sites/default/lanotepdf/forep015.pdf

"How can free men and women defend themselves cheaplyand effectively against 
the depredations of tyrants? Howcan this result be achieved morally? These 
questions arevery important, I believe, to the cause of liberty. This isbecause 
they are among the “toughies” - those problemswhich seem insoluble when arguing 
for anarcho-capitalism.Take the scenario that anarcho-capitalism comes about in 
aspecific territorial area. Say that certain parts of HomeCounties England, and 
some areas of Highland Britain declare UDI. Let’s call them the “Free Shires”, 
where no government exists between Kent and the Fens, or fromLancaster to 
Berwick. How will the people in these placeskeep out the armies of pre-existing 
dictatorships?The reasons for a government to invade the Free Shires 
areobvious. They will contain new, profitable, highly advancedfactories. Their 
labour force will be excellently educatedthanks to competitive schooling. The 
Free Shires will provide havens of liberty and achievement for the most 
enterprising, the most productive and determined professionalsand businessmen. 
The people and property of a free societyare attractive prizes for any 
latterday Alexander to seize.Part-time militia and imported mercenaries may 
prove toofew or too expensive to resist determined statist assaults.Besides, 
who wants a war on their home territory?Yet the rump of the United Kingdom, (or 
the People’s Republic of Britain), the Soviet Union and even an expansionist 
France may threaten the newly liberated free British.What is to be done? The 
libertarians cannot rely upon conscription or tax-funded armies. Is defence 
possible?MORALITY AND DEFENCEThe answer is yes. Firstly, however, the moral 
values whichunderpin liberty must be applied to any question of policy 
-including defence. Morality and effectiveness, I believe,must be the 
justifications and the attractions of anarchism.Morality in this case means 
that the libertarians’ defence..."
[end of partial quote]



On Sunday, August 1, 2021, 10:53:54 PM PDT, jim bell  
wrote:  
 
  On Sunday, August 1, 2021, 10:09:43 PM PDT, professor rat 
 wrote:
 
 >Many great inventions were co-discoveries - calculus - evolution by 
 >natural-selections, etc.

>I have to wonder if APster markets isn't another one.  Clearly Mongo knew 
>about them though regarding them as a bug rather than a feature. 
I wasn't aware of the existence of the Cypherpunks list until 
early-mid-February 1995.  I had put Part 1 of my Assassination Politics essay 
on a mail list Digitaliberty, by Bill Frezza, in early February 1995.  Somebody 
(I don't recall who; perhaps I never knew) copied it to Cypherpunks about 
February 14, 1995, and I was invited to CP.    (Bill Frezza soon enough found 
my AP idea 'too hot to handle', and I understood that.)
That record does not seem to reliably exist, however:  A few years ago, I 
discovered that the 1995 archive of Cypherpunks had been enormously 
tampered-with, removing almost all references to me, or "AP", or "assassination 
politics", etc.  This should have been quite obvious to anybody who perused the 
list, at least anybody who remembered some of the list events of 1995.  Looking 
at the archive, there were extended periods (months!) in which no emails 
appeared, presumably because ALL of them were about AP.  
This is the first I've heard about Nick Roberts, and his "Libertarian Jackals". 
 I'll have to contact him...
If, in early January 1995, somebody said to me, "Tim May", I would have 
immediately remembered (only) his very famous (at least among electrical 
engineers!) work, discovering that alpha particles (helium nuclei) seemed to be 
the cause of 'soft errors', data retention errors in dynamic RAMs (DRAMs).  Tim 
May apparently worked at Intel at Santa Clara, California.  When I began 
working at Intel, it was in Aloha, Oregon, at "Aloha 3", an engineering 
facility attached to Fabs 4 and 5.  I never met or communicated with him; 
perhaps he never came to Oregon, and I never went to any other Intel facility 
than those in Aloha or Hillsboro Oregon.  
I later (mid-1995 or 1996) discovered that May and a few others had postulated 
the existence of 'assassination markets', about 1989 and 1990.  But, I didn't 
know about that until 1995.  And, my understanding was, their idea amounted to:
     "Anonymous person A anonymously hires anonymous person B to kill person C".
It was certainly a idea worth discussing.  What I "brought to the party", with 
my AP essay, were two concepts that only later were given these names:
1.  "Crowdfunding".   The idea that instead of only one person hiring to see a 
politican dead, thousands or more such people could pool their money and donate 
to a fund.  Without this idea, it would be extremely unlikely that only one 
person would be willing to donate 'enough' money

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-04 Thread grarpamp

he Pale Horse.

You place a bet with an unscrupulous bookmaker that a certain
person will live beyond the next month. When that doesn't happen, you
have to pay the bet.
Re:Assassination Politics (Score:2)
by bmo ( 77928 ) on Monday November 18, 2013 @07:38PM (#45459099)

You place a bet with an unscrupulous bookmaker that a
certain person will live beyond the next month. When that doesn't
happen, you have to pay the bet.

Isn't this called insurance?

"The good-hands people" around yer neck.

--
BMO
Re:Assassination Politics (Score:3)
by kill-1 ( 36256 ) on Monday November 18, 2013
@07:43PM (#45459129)

If you bet that your own house burns down, it's
insurance. If you bet that your neighbor's house burns down, it's a
credit default swap.
Re:Assassination Politics (Score:3)
by shentino ( 1139071 )  on Monday
November 18, 2013 @08:18PM (#45459369)

Actually with insurance you're betting that it WILL burn down.

The analogy back to the bookmaker would be a bet
AGAINST survival.
Re:Assassination Politics (Score:2)
by Sarten-X ( 1102295 ) on Monday November 18, 2013 @07:48PM
(#45459165) Homepage

...triggered in part by an 'unfavorable change in the
Administration' clause in some contracts...

Perhaps not in contracts, but in my time working in finance, I
have seen investment strategies planned heavily on the outcome of a
single election, considering ramifications for a few years in advance.

While I never saw anything as ridiculous as "sell all of
$SECURITY if $CANDIDATE wins", I did encounter plans like "if
$CANDIDATE wins, move into $SECURITY until $PROMISE happens, then move
out of $LOSER1 or $LOSER2 as appropriate".
Re: Assassination Politics (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 18, 2013 @10:43PM (#45460171)

Record market highs are unfavorable?
Re:Assassination Politics (Score:2)
by boorack ( 1345877 ) on Monday November 18, 2013 @06:49PM (#45458763)
This will be pretty good excuse for government thugs to shut down
Bitcoin and possibly jail anyone having some in his/her posession. I'm
not sure US government thugs did actually conceive such crap but I'm
perfectly sure they wouldn't be happier hearing this news.
Re:Assassination Politics (Score:1)
by ButchDeLoria ( 2772751 ) on Monday November 18, 2013
@06:54PM (#45458791)
Good luck, after the Congressional hearing today, they're
going to embrace it.
Re:Assassination Politics (Score:3)
by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Monday November 18, 2013 @09:18PM
(#45459737) Homepage

because it's not cratering like the US dollar, the
government has to put their money into something.
Re:Assassination Politics (Score:3)
by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2013
@06:01AM (#45461721) Journal
Bitcoins have experienced drops in value over the
course of a single day that are greater than the drop in value of the
US dollar over the entire great depression, or its total deflation
over the last 100 years. It's not cratering because it's value is
effectively a random number and it will keep going up for as long as
people are making money from the wild fluctuations in value of an
unregulated instrument. When the big speculators cash out and the rest
realise that they just own a magic number that no one with significant
assets has ever promised to accept in payment, you'll see what
cratering really means.
Re: Assassination Politics (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 18, 2013
@10:46PM (#45460183)

How is the dollar cratering again?
Re:Assassination Politics (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 18, 2013 @09:13PM (#45459705)

This will be pretty good excuse for government thugs to shut
down Bitcoin and possibly jail anyone having some in his/her
posession. I'm not sure US government thugs did actually conceive such
crap but I'm perfectly sure they wouldn't be happier hearing this
news.

So you're saying that if any other government were to shut
down a site hosting a "hit" on the Head of State, they would not be
thugs?
Good to know.
Re:Assassination Politics (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, 2013 @04:46PM (#45484693)

Good luck with that. Bitcoin users are harder to track than
torrenters, and slowly becoming as numerous. The only reason they got
Silk Road's is because they tracked down the site and grabbed the
physical boxes in the process. Remember kids, never keep what you want
to keep. Mea

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-04 Thread grarpamp

https://www.dailydot.com/crime/deep-web-murder-assassination-contract-killer/

Searching for a hitman in the Deep Web
Empowered by encrypted email programs and Bitcoin, hitmen (and -women)
are able to advertise their services with seeming impunity.
Aaron Sankin
Crime
Published Oct 10, 2013   Updated Jun 1, 2021, 4:34 am CDT

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Grosse_Pointe_Blank
http://weirderweb.com/2012/11/26/dont-lecture-me-about-contract-killing-weirder-web-1/
http://books.google.com/books?id=-L8B8ydtHZ4C

With the arrest of alleged Silk Road mastermind Ross Ulbricht in San
Francisco last week, there’s been a renewed spotlight on the shadowy
network of the Deep Web, the sites accessible only through the
encrypted Tor network. Granted the cover of anonymity, users there
engage in activities ranging from expressing political dissent to
selling massive amounts of marijuana. While most of the attention has
been paid to the trafficking of illegal narcotics, even a quick tour
through the Deep Web shows the prevalence of another type of
clandestine service: contract killers.
Featured Video

These sites, with URLs consisting of random sequences of alphanumeric
characters, can’t be viewed with traditional Web browsers. A Tor
browser, which routes users’ information through a system of nodes
around the world rendering people using the service effectively
anonymous, is required to obtain access. However, from there, finding
someone with a certain moral flexibility is as easy as searching
“assassin” or “hitman” on one of the many Deep Web forums or search
engines.
Advertisement

“Doing this over the TOR network is probably the safest way to do it
at all,” writes the operator of Unfriendly Solution on his or her
site.

“I do not know anything about you, you do not know anything about
me. The desired victim will pass away. No one will ever know why or
who did this. On top of that I always give my best to make it look
like an accident or suicide.”

“I have gained endless experience(s) in this [sic] 7 years. It has
changed me a lot. I don’t have any empathy for humans anymore,”
Unfriendly Solution boasts. “This makes me the perfect professional
for taking care of your problems and makes me better than other
hitmen. If you pay enough I’ll do ANYTHING to the desired victim. If I
say anything I mean anything.”


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Unfriendly Solution only accepts payment in Bitcoin, the standard
currency for Deep Web transactions. Bitcoins can be transferred
electronically between computers or smartphones without an
intermediary institution—making it a safe unit of exchange for people
who don’t want their financial activities monitored.

“It is of mutual interest to make everything anonymous,” explains a
post on the site of C’thulhu Resume, another murder-for-hire group.
“It means we don’t know you and you don’t know us. We can’t send you
to prison, and you can’t send us to prison.”

Claiming to be an “organized criminal group, former soldiers and
mercenaries from the [French Foreign Legion], highly-skilled, with
military experience of more than five years,” C’thulhu Resume takes
its name from a series of horror stories by fantasy writer H. P.
Lovecraft. Even in a corner of the Internet that revels in badass
machismo, there’s still room for a nod to nerd culture.


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One of the strangest facets of the entire ecosystem of Deep Web
murder-for-hire sites is in the way that many of them employ marketing
techniques considered fairly standard for sites selling legal
products. For example, C’thulhu Resume advertises itself with the mock
cheery slogan: “The best place to put your problems is in a grave!”

Hitman Network, which claims to be a trio of contract killers working
in the United States, Canada, and the European Union, offers people a
commission for referring their friends. “Tell others about this shop,
and earn 1% from every purchase they will make,” reads a message on
the site.

Unlike some of the other services, which hold up their lack of ethical
considerations as a selling point, Hitman Network does draw a line
between what it will and will not do: “no children under 16 and no top
10 politicians.”


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Quite possibly the strangest murder-for-hire Deep Web site is
Assassination Market, which bills itself as a system for crowdfunding
assassinations. It’s like Kickstarter, but for murder.

The system works like this: The name of a target is added to
Assassination Market’s list and the site’s users can add bitcoins to a
pool of funds associated with that individual. People can place
predictions on when the target will die and whoever makes the correct
prediction takes the pot home. The assumption here is that at least
some of the people making said predictions will actually carry out the
hit at the prescribed time to collect their winnings.

The site’s creator, who goes by the name Kuwabatake Sanjuro—the
moniker taken by the nameless wandering samurai

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-04 Thread grarpamp

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/18/meet-the-assassination-market-creator-whos-crowdfunding-murder-with-bitcoins/

Meet The 'Assassination Market' Creator Who's Crowdfunding Murder With Bitcoins
Andy Greenberg

http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html
http://cryptome.org/ap.htm

As Bitcoin becomes an increasingly popular form of digital cash, the
cryptocurrency is being accepted in exchange for everything from socks
to sushi to heroin. If one anarchist has his way, it'll soon be used
to buy murder, too.

Last month I received an encrypted email from someone calling himself
by the pseudonym Kuwabatake Sanjuro, who pointed me towards his recent
creation: The website Assassination Market, a crowdfunding service
that lets anyone anonymously contribute bitcoins towards a bounty on
the head of any government official--a kind of Kickstarter for
political assassinations. According to Assassination Market's rules,
if someone on its hit list is killed--and yes, Sanjuro hopes that many
targets will be--any hitman who can prove he or she was responsible
receives the collected funds.

For now, the site's rewards are small but not insignificant. In the
four months that Assassination Market has been online, six targets
have been submitted by users, and bounties have been collected ranging
from ten bitcoins for the murder of NSA director Keith Alexander and
40 bitcoins for the assassination of President Barack Obama to 124.14
bitcoins--the largest current bounty on the site--targeting Ben
Bernanke, chairman of the Federal Reserve and public enemy number one
for many of Bitcoin's anti-banking-system users. At Bitcoin's current
rapidly rising exchanges rate, that's nearly $75,000 for Bernanke's
would-be killer.

Sanjuro's grisly ambitions go beyond raising the funds to bankroll a
few political killings. He believes that if Assassination Market can
persist and gain enough users, it will eventually enable the
assassinations of enough politicians that no one would dare to hold
office. He says he intends Assassination Market to destroy "all
governments, everywhere."

"I believe it will change the world for the better," writes Sanjuro,
who shares his handle with the nameless samurai protagonist in the
Akira Kurosawa film "Yojimbo." (He tells me he chose it in homage to
the creator of the online black market Silk Road, who called himself
the Dread Pirate Roberts, as well Bitcoin inventor Satoshi Nakamoto.)
"Thanks to this system, a world without wars, dragnet panopticon-style
surveillance, nuclear weapons, armies, repression, money manipulation,
and limits to trade is firmly within our grasp for but a few bitcoins
per person. I also believe that as soon as a few politicians gets
offed and they realize they've lost the war on privacy, the killings
can stop and we can transition to a phase of peace, privacy and
laissez-faire."
The Forbes E-book On Bitcoin Secret Money: Living on Bitcoin in the
Real World, by Forbes staff writer Kashmir Hill, can be bought in
Bitcoin or legal tender.

I contacted the Secret Service and the FBI to ask if they're
investigating Assassination Market, and both declined to comment.

Like other so-called "dark web" sites, Assassination Market runs on
the anonymity network Tor, which is designed to prevent anyone from
identifying the site's users or Sanjuro himself. Sanjuro's decision to
accept only Bitcoins is also intended to protect users, Sanjuro, and
any potential assassins from being identified through their financial
transactions. Bitcoins, after all, can be sent and received without
necessarily tying them to any real-world identity. In the site's
instructions to users, Sanjuro suggests they run their funds through a
"laundry" service to make sure the coins are anonymized before
contributing them to anyone's murder fund.

As for technically proving that an assassin is responsible for a
target's death, Assassination Market asks its killers to create a text
file with the date of the death ahead of time, and to use a
cryptographic function known as a hash to convert it to a unique
string of characters. Before the murder, the killer then embeds that
data in a donation of one bitcoin or more to the victim's bounty. When
a target is successfully murdered, he or she can send Sanjuro the text
file, which Sanjuro hashes to check that the results match the data
sent before the target's death. If the text file is legitimate and
successfully predicted the date of the killing, the sender must have
been responsible for the murder, according to Sanjuro's logic. Sanjuro
says he'll keep one percent of the payout himself as a commission for
his services.

Just reading about that coldly calculative system of lethal violence
likely inspires queasy feelings or outrage. But Sanjuro says that the
public's abhorrence won't prevent the system from working. And as a
matter of ethics, he notes that he'll accept only user-suggested
targets "who have initiated force against other humans. More
spec

Re: Assassination Politics

The Ring of Gyges: Investigating the Future of Criminal Smart Contracts
https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/2976749.2978362
We show that CSCs ... are efficiently realizable in existing scripting
languages such as that in Ethereum. ... Our results highlight the
urgency of creating policy and technical safeguards against CSCs in
order to realize the promise of smart contracts for beneficial goals.

https://predictiontoken.github.io/
http://www.primitivism.com/assassination.htm
https://www.submergingmarkets.com/submerging_markets/2006/11/assassination_p.html
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm
http://www.anarcha.org/sallydarity/ArmedStruggleAgainsttheInstitutionsofPatriarchy.htm
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Internet_assassination
https://stottle.blogspot.com/2009/01/why-admit-war-crime-on-prime-time.html
https://www.hetknp.org/huurmoordenaars-via-internet/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations
https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-government-endorsed-assassinations.php
https://www.lawfareblog.com/age-open-assassination
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/inside-the-cias-kill-list/
https://www.economist.com/international/2018/03/15/states-are-finding-new-ways-of-killing-enemies-abroad
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrajudicial_killing
http://democraticpeace.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/democide-vs-other-causes-of-death/
https://truth11.com/2012/04/04/the-cias-history-of-assassinations-of-american-citizens/
https://healthresearchfunding.org/19-shocking-statistics-democide/
https://ivypanda.com/essays/assassination-moral-legal-political-and-practical-views/
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/04/the_cia_and_ass.html
https://www.jns.org/opinion/terminating-terrorists-and-assessing-assassinations/
https://thebitcoinnews.com/the-politics-of-destruction/
https://dailybitcoinreport.com/the-politics-of-destruction/
https://web.archive.org/web/20060505215440/http://zolatimes.com/v2.26/jimbell.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20060505215440/http://anti-state.com/vroman/vroman8.html
https://news.bitcoin.com/the-jim-bell-system/
https://news.bitcoin.com/the-jim-bell-system-revisited/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn15H__1FOk
http://detsorteregister.info/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidbirch/2021/04/14/new-digital-money-new-digital-crimes/
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https://deadyodafish.blogspot.com/


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Re: Assassination Politics

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When the man behind a popular website that ranks the world's most
corrupt individuals is voted number one on his own site, he becomes
the target of a killer who is out to murder every person named to the
top of "The List."


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Re: Assassination Politics

https://web.archive.org/web/20060505213244/http://www.anti-state.com/vroman/vroman8.html

The Jim Bell System

by Robert Vroman insanu...@aol.com

https://web.archive.org/web/20060505213244/http://www.no-treason.com/Kennedy/3.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20060505213244/http://zolatimes.com/v2.26/jimbell.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20060505213244/http://www.aci.net/kalliste
https://web.archive.org/web/20060505213244/http://www.anti-state.com/shirts.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20060505213244/http://www.lewrockwell.com/murphy/murphy57.html

Ed. note: This article reflects the views of the author ONLY, not the
editors. We have no official opinion whatsoever on the Jim Bell
System, aka Assassination Politics. Please see also Bob Murphy's
response to this article.

As I write this article on July 3rd 2002, I am already hearing out my
window the occasional pops of micro-explosives enthusiasts getting a
head start on their annual excuse to play with things that go bang and
supposedly celebrate their freedom. Tomorrow, libertarians across the
country will use the holiday as an opportunity to grouse to
disinterested relatives around the barbecue grill about how little
freedom we actually have left, or really ever had. LP lifers often say
there is no magic bullet to get the kind of society we want, and it
will take decades of hard work in the political trenches, and of
course many, many donations to the party, before we ever see progress.
Conversely, I propose that a nutty guy named Jim Bell has already
designed the magic bullet; it just needs to be forged and we will
start seeing dramatic positive change immediately.

Since this is a fairly controversial topic, I will start with a
psychological self-analysis as disclaimer.

My primary long-term goal is to live forever. I’m convinced that the
exponential improvements in medical technology will curve upwards to
infinity within the next century. This means surviving the relatively
primitive period between then and now is the major stumbling block. As
an atheist, I am faced with the conclusion that this is the only life
I have. Therefore I have an enormous incentive to minimize risks to my
health and well being, just as a Christian has incentive not to sin;
we both would be gambling our presumed eternal life, an unacceptable
wager. One such risk I will choose to decline is taking up arms
against the United States government. Thus the powers that be who may
read this article can rest assured that I will be exhibiting more or
less cowardly behavior for the next 75 years or so, and present no
security threat whatsoever.

I am simply predicting what will happen and am no more responsible for
the outcome than an astronomer who reveals that an asteroid is on
course to wipe out DC. Hopefully, the destruction of this particular
doomsday rock will be localized around the tyrants.

With that said, I present the following dangerous idea.

My secondary long-term goal is to live free. By that I mean living in
a stable, secure, anarcho-capitalist society. The obvious obstacle to
this goal is the existence of the State. The problems I face generally
in eradicating this persistent pest are that:

The State is actively retarding the progress of science, thus
making my immortality timetable more and more dicey.
There aren’t a whole lot of capital resources or individuals
enlightened enough to be on my side.
If I die in the process, either from fighting a revolution or from
allowing the state to last too long, stalling out science, it will all
be for naught (from my perspective anyway)

The challenge then is to devise a plan to remove this obstacle,
balancing the considerations of speed, cost and safety.

In a recent article John T. Kennedy made the excellent point, using
the example of a porcupine, that in order to avoid being eaten, one
need not necessarily be anywhere near as powerful as the predator,
only become an over priced meal. The historical example of Switzerland
in WWII comes to mind. Clearly, with a concentrated effort the Nazi
war machine could have decimated the small neutral country. In fact
Hitler boasted early on in the war that he would “be the butcher of
the Swiss.” However, the Swiss militia system was able to mobilize a
half million trained riflemen within 48 hours of that pronouncement.
Once entrenched in foreboding Alpine terrain, they were ordered to
defend the border “to the last cartridge.” The Fuhrer decided to pass
on that challenge and instead waltzed through Denmark and France,
countries with little to no civilian gun culture.

For our purposes, the State is the predator, and we are the prey.
Kennedy mentioned (with appropriate caveats) that Assassination
Politics would be one possible method to grow some quills, and raise
our price beyond the power monger’s ability to pay. Briefly, the AP
system, as I envision its probable implementation, would operate
something like this. You come across, say, "www.jimbellsystem.com" and
see a lon

Re: Assassination Politics

https://web.archive.org/web/20060505214123/http://www.anti-state.com/murphy/murphy17.html

The Politics of Destruction

by Bob Murphy robert_p_mur...@yahoo.com

https://web.archive.org/web/20060505214123/http://zolatimes.com/v2.26/jimbell.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20060505214123/http://anti-state.com/vroman/vroman8.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20060505214123/http://www.lewrockwell.com/murphy/murphy57.html

For some time now, I have been aware of a widespread fascination among
many libertarians with Jim Bell's "Assassination Politics" (AP). At my
request, Robert Vroman has defended the merits of AP. In this article,
I will argue that AP is just about the single worst idea that
libertarians could advocate. Despite my misgivings, I thank Vroman for
his article, so that AP sympathizers may be reassured that I am not
attacking a strawman.

Now, before I get going, let me offer a serious note: It's true, as
alluded to by Vroman's snide remark, that I have recently defended the
merits of (qualified) pacifism. I realize that many libertarians find
this stance hilarious and indicative of how much of a coward/wuss I
personally must be. For the purposes of this debate, let me be clear:
I am not at all relying on a pacifist philosophy, but merely the
values held dear to most libertarians. I believe that one of the chief
attractions of AP is that its proponents can sound like realpolitik
tough guys; indeed, I think many people want AP to be practical. But
such hopes must be put aside in a sober discussion over whether AP
will in fact give libertarians the society they desire.

THE JIM BELL SYSTEM

For those readers who have never heard of Jim Bell's proposal, and
because Vroman abstracted from details that Bell himself deemed
essential, let me summarize the original AP vision: (In the following
I draw on Parts 1 and 3 of the Bell article linked above, though I
have taken some liberties in the interest of clarity.)

There would be two groups of people, the predictors and the patrons.
The predictors would submit an untraceable (due to modern technology)
"guess" to the AP administrators. The guess would contain an encrypted
prediction of the exact date of the death of a certain individual.
(The contents of the prediction would be unreadable, not only by the
authorities but even by the AP administrators.) The patrons would send
(untraceable and anonymous) digital cash donations specifying only the
name of a certain individual.

The administrators would hold the donations and publicize the totals
accumulated next to each person's name. Then, after a person on the
list died, if anyone had sent in a correct prediction beforehand, he
could send in the key needed to decrypt his original guess. The
administrators would find that the key worked (i.e. the message would
be unscrambled), and they would at that time see that the predictor
had in fact correctly guessed the date of death of the deceased. The
successful predictor would also specify the public key to be used to
encrypt, as a digital cash payment, all of the accumulated donations
associated with the now-deceased person.

The appeal of AP is obvious: It would ostensibly allow people to pool
their money and finance assassinations of hated political figures. The
use of modern encryption techniques would make such financing
completely anonymous and risk-free. Because even the administrators
would never know the identity of the assassins, there would apparently
be no way for the government to crack down on the system.

* * *

Now, Vroman has defended AP on two major grounds: First, he claims
that it is inevitable; whether we like it or not, AP is coming.
Second, he claims that AP should be cheered by libertarians as the
source of their salvation.

I dispute both claims. Despite the arguments of Bell and Vroman, I
find the AP system completely impractical, and do not think anything
like it will ever operate. (This is not to deny that modern encryption
and e-currency trends will make traditional assassinations easier to
finance. But this will not lead to a mass market in hits placed by the
average consumer, which is the hallmark of AP.)

Moreover, I will argue that if AP could somehow be made to work, then
it would spell the downfall of modern civilization. The libertarian
dream of a free society, where people's property rights are respected,
would be impossible in a world with AP.

WHY AP WON'T WORK

Supply Side

Although the proponents of AP have done a good job defending it from
perhaps the most immediate objections, nonetheless I find the proposal
completely impractical. Now, I am no expert in the possibilities of
anonymous digital cash payments, so I will concede for the sake of
argument that this aspect of the system is as foolproof as Bell and
Vroman believe. Even so, I think there are tremendous flaws that would
prevent a workable AP system from arising.

My most fundamental practical objection is this: To the extent that AP
works as advertised, then no one c

Re: Assassination Politics

https://web.archive.org/web/20030212135325/http://www.anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=295

The Jim Bell System Revisited
by Robert Vroman

https://web.archive.org/web/20030213085418/http://www.antistate.com/
https://web.archive.org/web/20030212144431/http://www.anti-state.com/young/young2.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20030212135325/http://www.greenpanthers.org/
https://web.archive.org/web/20030212135325/http://www.awdal.com/
https://web.archive.org/web/20030212135325/http://www.stiffs.com/
https://web.archive.org/web/20030212135325/http://www.eeng.dcu.ie/%7Etcs

Ed. note: This article reflects the views of the author ONLY, not the
editors. We have no official opinion whatsoever on the Jim Bell
System, aka Assassination Politics.

Please see Robert Vroman's original AP article, as well as both Bob
Murphy's and Adam Young's response.

Let me re-emphasize that I have neither the knowledge nor the will to
implement this system. I certainly don�t like the State, but I would
rather concentrate my energies on constructive rather than destructive
solutions. That said, I still think governments everywhere are going
to be staring down the barrel of an encrypted gun in the near future,
and this article attempts to explain why, in response to numerous
objections received since my last article.

I also want to point out some areas where I think Jim Bell is
completely off base. First of all, his insistence that AP is somehow
residing in a loophole of the American legal system that only he is
aware of, is absurd, as rightly pointed out by many of his critics. I
have no delusions that AP would somehow survive its "day in court" or
that even if, due to some arcane technicality, AP is a legal
enterprise that that would stop the State from pursuing it
relentlessly. Furthermore, I am mystified by Bell�s fascination with
confrontation and martyrdom (as exemplified by his personal life) and
do not think AP will be started by the self sacrificing, or that it�s
even necessarily a good idea to have that mindset when designing the
system. Bell also overestimates the enthusiasm that ordinary people
will have for AP by a long shot. I still have reasons to believe there
will sufficient customers, but they are not going to be primarily
heartland regular Joes, who Bell envisions watching AP�s deadly
progress with amusement. Bell also gives some slightly cockeyed
responses to a number of the objections to his invention. In fact
really the main thing I take away from his writing is the system
itself, not necessarily any of his justifications.

My friend and business partner, Bob Murphy presented some powerhouse
arguments against my pet theory in our recent columnist debate over
the infamous Assassination Politics concept. I contend that under
closer examination, his insightful questions can be answered
satisfactorily.

Additionally, Adam Young has presented a thoroughly researched
historical analysis against AP, which I will address first.

Young has three main points. First, that assassination has been
ineffectual in the past for destroying states. Second, assassinations
will instead create a backlash against anarchism by government and
citizens alike. Third he does not like the moral implications of the
very likely possibility of collateral damage from sloppy AP
prize-hunters, given the relatively poor caliber of historical
attempts.

The first point, despite all its exhaustive research, is I�m afraid to
say, totally erroneous, because the mechanism by which AP kills its
victims is fundamentally different then assassination campaigns of the
past. I am not at all surprised to read that a handful of suicidal
ideologues gunning down a few unlucky aristocrats failed to exorcise
the nation state. Assume for the moment that AP�s basic functions
materialize (I will get to Murphy�s objections later). The pool of
assassins has instantaneously expanded from only insane political
extremists, to every single violent opportunist in the world who can
access a computer. AP represents a veritable full scale war against
the State, fought by the scum of society and funded by every partisan
malcontent across the political spectrum. A dozen assassinations per
century is certainly not going to give any politicians second thoughts
about their career choice, any more than the dozen or so plane
hijackings in the past 50 years makes me nervous seeing a turban in
business class. However, logically speaking there must be some tipping
point at which the body count is the most pressing statistic a
politician has in mind. AP will surpass this tipping point, where
history�s basket case revolutionaries were doomed to fail. The State
will of course respond in nasty ways, but inevitably these will prove
ineffective in the face of an impenetrable network supporting a
sustained and wide spread offensive.

Secondly, Young fears that AP will re-enforce the stereotype of
anarchists as the 19th century mad bomber and 20th century Starbucks
arsonist. This will then e

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-12 Thread grarpamp

On 6/23/21, jim bell  wrote:
> There is an "opportunity cost" to NOT implementing my 'Assassination 
> Politics' 1995 invention.
> http://jya.com/ap.htm
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost

 Radical Libertarianism: Applying Libertarian Principles
to Dealing with the Unjust Government
   Part I and II of II
  Walter Block
   Loyola University New Orleans
https://www.reasonpapers.com/pdf/27/rp_27_5.pdf
Reason Papers 27 (Fall 2004): 113-130.
https://www.reasonpapers.com/pdf/28/rp_28_7.pdf
Reason Papers 28 (Spring 2006): 85-109.

  Late one night in Washington, D.C. a mugger wearing a ski mask
jumped into the path of a well-dressed man and stuck a gun in his ribs.
  "Give me your money!" he demanded.
  Indignant, the affluent man replied, "You can't do this. I'm a United
States Congressman!"
  "In that case," replied the robber, "give me my money!"1

  1. Introduction
  The present paper attempts to trace out the implications of
the libertarian
philosophy for the proper relationship between an inhabitant of a
country, and its
unjust government.
  Part I of this paper includes section 2, in which the stage is set for
answering this challenging question, section 3, in which the essence
of the state is
discussed, section 4, in which libertarian punishment theory is
introduced and the
beginning of section 5, in which the concept of the libertarian
Nuremberg trial is
explored, and in 5a. the assumption that all citizens are guilty of
the crimes of the
unjust state is rejected.
  In Part II of this paper, we begin with section 5b. which
considers the
possibility that all and only minions of the unjust state are guilty
for its crimes, in
a continuation of our libertarian Nuremberg trial analysis, and 5c. introduces
libertarian ruling class theory. Section 6 traces out the proper
relations between
the subjects and the unjust government, section 7 asks if it is ever
legitimate to
disrupt such an institution, and we conclude in section 8.
1
  The present paper is an academic
study of the implications of the libertarian philosophy. It makes no
threats against
anyone. As the title implies, there is nothing in the present paper
that is inconsistent with
the existence of a just government.
...
7. Disrupting Government
a. Destruction
b. Seizure
c. Cheating
d. Political assassination
  We have seen that in the libertarian philosophy, the death penalty is
justified for those whose crimes rise to a sufficient degree of
severity. Surely,
there are heads of state whose evil deeds many times eclipse such a level.
Thus, it would altogether be justified to end their lives by violence.
  How many novels have been written with a motif of, What would
have happened had Hitler been assassinated, during different epochs of his
career? There is no doubt that the lives of Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Mao,
Castro, etc. were morally forfeit, that it would have been the highest form of
justice to end them.
  Were there a case in Nazi Germany equivalent to Ruby Ridge or
Waco and the Davidians, then, only those directly responsible for the murder
of innocent civilians would be liable for the death penalty, not their fellow
colleagues in arms.60 It is simply not the case, for example, that all U.S.
servicemen posted in Vietnam were responsible for the My Lai massacre.
This applies only to those who actually pulled the relevant triggers.
And, of course, this also applies to those who gave the orders, or "took
responsibility" for these outrages. The Nuremberg trials quite properly
focused attention on the generals who gave the orders, even in preference to
those closer to the ground who were more directly responsible. If there were a
Nazi German or Soviet Janet Reno who "took responsibility" for an
abomination of this sort, then that person, certainly, would also fall
under this
purview.
59
   See available online at http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/eight.htm.
60
   Needless to say at this point, we are limiting our focus on
countries such as the
U.S.S.R., North Korea, Cuba, and Nazi Germany. As the U.S. government is not on
this list, the cases in that country are mentioned for illustrative
purposes only.
...
8. Conclusion
...
 In my view, in order to answer this conundrum, we need to return to
basic libertarian principles of non-aggression against non-aggressors.
...

> How many tech people have been victimized by government in ways that would
> never have occurred had an AP-type system been functioning?   Edward
> Snowden. Ross Ulbricht. Now John McAfee.  Phil Zimmermann, author of PGP-1,
> was harassed for a few years. Even, dare I say, myself.
> The Internet has greatly changed the world in the last 25 years because
> people implemented ideas that hardly existed 30 years ago.  Facebook,
> Twitter, Amazon, Google.  Smartphones.  TOR.  Encrypte

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-23 Thread grarpamp

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2015/05/small-game-fallacies.html

Small-game fallacies
by Nick Szabo
Monday, May 25, 2015

A small-game fallacy occurs when game theorists, economists, or others
trying to apply game-theoretic or microeconomic techniques to
real-world problems, posit a simple, and thus cognizable, interaction,
under a very limited and precise set of rules, whereas real-world
analogous situations take place within longer-term and vastly more
complicated games with many more players: "the games of life".
Interactions between small games and large games infect most works of
game theory, and much of microeconomics, often rendering such analyses
useless or worse than useless as a guide for how the "players" will
behave in real circumstances. These fallacies tend to be particularly
egregious when "economic imperialists" try to apply the techniques of
economics to domains beyond the traditional efficient-markets domain
of economics, attempting to bring economic theory to bear to describe
law, politics, security protocols, or a wide variety of other
institutions that behave very differently from efficient markets.
However as we shall see, small-game fallacies can sometimes arise even
in the analysis of some very market-like institutions, such as
"prediction markets."

Most studies in experimental economics suffer from
small-game/large-game effects. Unless these experiments are very
securely anonymized, in a way the players actually trust, and in a way
the players have learned to adapt to, overriding their moral instincts
-- an extremely rare circumstance, despite many efforts to achieve
this -- large-game effects quickly creep in, rendering the results
often very misleading, sometimes practically the opposite of the
actual behavior of people in analogous real-life situations. A common
example: it may be narrowly rational and in accord with theory to
"cheat", "betray", or otherwise play a narrowly selfish game, but if
the players may be interacting with each other after the
experimenters' game is over, the perceived or actual reputational
effects in the larger "games of life", ongoing between the players in
subsequent weeks or years, may easily exceed the meager rewards doled
out by the experimenters to act selfishly in the small game. Even if
the players can somehow be convinced that they will remain complete
strangers to each other indefinitely into the future, our moral
instincts generally evolved to play larger "games of life", not
one-off games, nor anonymous games, nor games with pseudonyms of
strictly limited duration, with the result that behaving according to
theory must be learned: our default behavior is very different. (This
explains, why, for example, economics students typically play in a
more narrowly self-interested way, i.e. more according to the simple
theories of economics, than other kinds of students).

Small-game/large-game effects are not limited to reputational
incentives to play nicer: moral instincts and motivations learned in
larger games also include tribal unity against perceived opponents,
revenge, implied or actual threats of future coercion, and other
effects causing much behavior to be worse than selfish, and these too
can spill over between the larger and smaller games (when, for
example, teams from rival schools or nations are pitted against each
other in economic experiments). Moral instincts, though quite real,
should not be construed as necessarily or even usually being actually
morally superior to various kinds of learned morals, whether learned
in economics class or in the schools of religion or philosophy.

Small-game/large-game problems can also occur in auditing, when audits
look at a particular system and fail to take into account interactions
that can occur outside their system of financial controls, rendering
the net interactions very different from what simply auditing the
particular system would suggest. A common fraud is for trades to be
made outside the scope of the audit, "off the books", rendering the
books themselves very misleading as to the overall net state of
affairs.

Similarly, small-game/large-game problems often arise when software or
security architects focus on an economics methodology, focusing on the
interactions occurring within the defined architecture and failing to
properly take into account (often because it is prohibitively
difficult to do so) the wide variety of possible acts occurring
outside the system and the resulting changes, often radical, to
incentives within the system. For example, the incentive compatibility
of certain interactions within an architecture can quickly disappear
or reverse when opposite trades can be made outside the system (such
as hedging or even more-than-offsetting a position that by itself
would otherwise create a very different incentive within the system),
or when larger political or otherwise coercive motivations and threats
occur outside the analyzed incentive system, changing the incentives
of

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-29 Thread grarpamp

http://idsa.in/system/files/strategicanalysis_sukumaran_0604.pdf

Sukumaran, R. (2004). "Cryptology, digital assassination and the
terrorism futures markets" (PDF). Strategic Analysis. 28 (2): 219–236.
doi:10.1080/09700160408450129. S2CID 154847137.

 Cryptology, Digital Assassination and the
 Terrorism Futures Markets

R. Sukumaran
Abstract
 A recent news item indicated that the US Government had been planning
 a website that would enable people to place bets on the likelihood of
 terrorist events. It was hoped that a study of market trends would enable
 intelligence agencies to anticipate and prevent such events.
 The idea was mooted by Admiral John Poindexter, head of the Total
 Information Awareness Program and bears some resemblance to a
 scheme mooted by Jim Bell. Bell, an MIT graduate had proposed a
 scheme which uses cryptography and the Internet in order to eliminate
 corrupt public officials. His scheme rewards those who correctly predict
 the date of death of such officials. However, the identities of the
 successful predictors were to be kept secret by using public key
 encryption methods. Bell claims that his scheme, if universally adopted,
 would lead to the elimination of government itself. Society would
 regulate itself by the threat of assassination of those acting inimical to
 its interests. No other regulatory mechanism, he claims, would be
 required.
 This paper attempts to understand Jim Bell's concept which requires
 some knowledge of cryptology. It briefly discusses some concepts in
 cryptology and electronic banking which are essential to the working
 of the scheme. It also discusses the Iowa Electronic Markets which
 have been fairly successful in predicting US Presidential elections. It
 uses an approach similar to that proposed by Admiral Poindexter's
 group. The paper analyses the practicality of both Bell's and
 Poindexter's schemes.
 --*--
Introduction
 In late July 2003, the US media was rocked by news that the Pentagon was
planning to open a website that would enable investors to place bets on the
probability that a particular event -- a terrorist attack or
assassination -- would
Strategic Analysis, Vol. 28, No.2, Apr-Jun 2004
Revised paper received
© Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses on May 8, 2004
Cryptology, Digital Assassination and the Terrorism Futures Markets 219

take place.1 The programme, called the Futures Market Applied to Prediction
(FutureMAP), was part of the Total Information Awareness Program and was
coordinated by the Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).
The key figure in the plan was retired Admiral John Poindexter, a
prominent actor
in the Iran-Contra scandal that bedevilled the Reagan administration.
Its purported
aim was "to explore new ways to help analysts predict and thereby prevent the
use of futures market mechanisms."2
 The terrorism futures market bears a certain resemblance to a scheme called
`Assassination Politics', propounded by Jim Bell, a disgruntled
American cyberpunk
and MIT graduate.3 Jim Bell has used the ideas of cryptography and e-banking to
develop a concept he calls `Assassination Politics' or `DigitaLiberty'. He
conceives of an organisation that would assist in eliminating corrupt
officials and
oppressive politicians through a system of rewarding those who correctly predict
the date on which a particular official or leader will die. The
identities of the successful
predictors would be kept secret using encryption. Bell believed that
the successful
implementation of his system would result in the eventual abolition of
all forms of
state control and even war.
 Interestingly, Jim Bell was imprisoned in 1997 for threatening a US federal
agent following the publication of his scheme. This, coupled with his refusal to
pay tax demands he considers illegal, brought down on him the wrath of
the Internal
Revenue Service (the American equivalent of the Income Tax Department).4 The
apparent co-option of his scheme by the Pentagon therefore deserves
closer scrutiny.
The Basics of Cryptology
Codes, Ciphers and Frequency Analysis
 In order to understand Bell's system, we digress a little into
cryptology --
"the science of rendering signals secure and extracting information from them."5
This comprises both cryptography -- "rendering information unintelligible to
outsiders by various transformations of the alphabet", and cryptanalysis -- the
method of breaking down or extracting the message from the intercepted signal.6
 Technically, substitution at the word level is known as
encoding.7 Thus, if we
replace `I am here' by `1 2 3', where 1 represents `I', 2 represents `am' and 3
represents `here', we would have encoded the message. Substitution at letter
le

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-29 Thread jim bell


Yes, Sukumaran's essay is by far the most competent treatment of my 
Assassination Politics idea and essay.         Jim Bell 
 
  On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 11:45 AM, grarpamp wrote:   
http://idsa.in/system/files/strategicanalysis_sukumaran_0604.pdf

Sukumaran, R. (2004). "Cryptology, digital assassination and the
terrorism futures markets" (PDF). Strategic Analysis. 28 (2): 219–236.
doi:10.1080/09700160408450129. S2CID 154847137.

            Cryptology, Digital Assassination and the
                                        Terrorism Futures Markets

R. Sukumaran
                                            Abstract
    A recent news item indicated that the US Government had been planning
    a website that would enable people to place bets on the likelihood of
    terrorist events. It was hoped that a study of market trends would enable
    intelligence agencies to anticipate and prevent such events.
    The idea was mooted by Admiral John Poindexter, head of the Total
    Information Awareness Program and bears some resemblance to a
    scheme mooted by Jim Bell. Bell, an MIT graduate had proposed a
    scheme which uses cryptography and the Internet in order to eliminate
    corrupt public officials. His scheme rewards those who correctly predict
    the date of death of such officials. However, the identities of the
    successful predictors were to be kept secret by using public key
    encryption methods. Bell claims that his scheme, if universally adopted,
    would lead to the elimination of government itself. Society would
    regulate itself by the threat of assassination of those acting inimical to
    its interests. No other regulatory mechanism, he claims, would be
    required.
    This paper attempts to understand Jim Bell's concept which requires
    some knowledge of cryptology. It briefly discusses some concepts in
    cryptology and electronic banking which are essential to the working
    of the scheme. It also discusses the Iowa Electronic Markets which
    have been fairly successful in predicting US Presidential elections. It
    uses an approach similar to that proposed by Admiral Poindexter's
    group. The paper analyses the practicality of both Bell's and
    Poindexter's schemes.
                                            --*--
Introduction
    In late July 2003, the US media was rocked by news that the Pentagon was
planning to open a website that would enable investors to place bets on the
probability that a particular event -- a terrorist attack or
assassination -- would
Strategic Analysis, Vol. 28, No.2, Apr-Jun 2004
Revised paper received
© Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses                    on May 8, 2004
Cryptology, Digital Assassination and the Terrorism Futures Markets 219

take place.1 The programme, called the Futures Market Applied to Prediction
(FutureMAP), was part of the Total Information Awareness Program and was
coordinated by the Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).
The key figure in the plan was retired Admiral John Poindexter, a
prominent actor
in the Iran-Contra scandal that bedevilled the Reagan administration.
Its purported
aim was "to explore new ways to help analysts predict and thereby prevent the
use of futures market mechanisms."2
    The terrorism futures market bears a certain resemblance to a scheme called
`Assassination Politics', propounded by Jim Bell, a disgruntled
American cyberpunk
and MIT graduate.3 Jim Bell has used the ideas of cryptography and e-banking to
develop a concept he calls `Assassination Politics' or `DigitaLiberty'. He
conceives of an organisation that would assist in eliminating corrupt
officials and
oppressive politicians through a system of rewarding those who correctly predict
the date on which a particular official or leader will die. The
identities of the successful
predictors would be kept secret using encryption. Bell believed that
the successful
implementation of his system would result in the eventual abolition of
all forms of
state control and even war.
    Interestingly, Jim Bell was imprisoned in 1997 for threatening a US federal
agent following the publication of his scheme. This, coupled with his refusal to
pay tax demands he considers illegal, brought down on him the wrath of
the Internal
Revenue Service (the American equivalent of the Income Tax Department).4 The
apparent co-option of his scheme by the Pentagon therefore deserves
closer scrutiny.
The Basics of Cryptology
Codes, Ciphers and Frequency Analysis
    In order to understand Bell's system, we digress a little into
cryptology --
"the science of rendering signals secure and extracting information from them."5
This comprises both cryptography -- "rendering information unintelligible to
outsiders by various transformations of the alphabet", and cryptanalysis -- the
method of breaking down or extracting the message from the intercepted signal.6
    Technically, substitution at the word level is known as
encoding.7 Thus, if we
replace

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-29 Thread professor rat



Let the record reflect Jim Dumb-bell Dolton has now washed his hands of ' 
Section 10 ' of his 1995 Essay on Assassination Politics.  His idea now boils 
down to a technocratic ' Black Box ' scheme involving strict secrecy and a 
scheme to be promoted by elitist specialists and apparently enjoyed only by the 
far-libertarian Right. 
He is no longer an anarchist, and judging by the Neo-Nazi criminals he 
associates with in the last few years he really hates anarchism. 

On Monday, 30 August 2021, 05:09:43 am AEST, jim bell  
wrote: 






Yes, Sukumaran's essay is by far the most competent treatment of my 
Assassination Politics idea and essay.
         Jim Bell


>  
>  
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 11:45 AM, grarpamp
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> http://idsa.in/system/files/strategicanalysis_sukumaran_0604.pdf

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-29 Thread jim bell

I withdraw nothing of my Assassination Politics essay.
        Jim Bell


 
 
  On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 6:22 PM, professor rat wrote:   
Let the record reflect Jim Dumb-bell Dolton has now washed his hands of ' 
Section 10 ' of his 1995 Essay on Assassination Politics.  His idea now boils 
down to a technocratic ' Black Box ' scheme involving strict secrecy and a 
scheme to be promoted by elitist specialists and apparently enjoyed only by the 
far-libertarian Right. 
He is no longer an anarchist, and judging by the Neo-Nazi criminals he 
associates with in the last few years he really hates anarchism. 

On Monday, 30 August 2021, 05:09:43 am AEST, jim bell  
wrote: 






Yes, Sukumaran's essay is by far the most competent treatment of my 
Assassination Politics idea and essay.
         Jim Bell


>  
>  
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 11:45 AM, grarpamp
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> http://idsa.in/system/files/strategicanalysis_sukumaran_0604.pdf

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-29 Thread professor rat

Oh please. 
You just said this Suk paper was the best take you'd seen on your essay and it 
elided section 10 completely. 
You know you really sound brain-damaged ever since you talked to Jeff Berwick.
You could probably use some professional help.

On Monday, 30 August 2021, 12:12:37 pm AEST, jim bell  
wrote: 


I withdraw nothing of my Assassination Politics essay.

        Jim Bell




>  
>  
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 6:22 PM, professor rat
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Let the record reflect Jim Dumb-bell Dolton has now washed his hands of ' 
> Section 10 ' of his 1995 Essay on Assassination Politics.  His idea now boils 
> down to a technocratic ' Black Box ' scheme involving strict secrecy and a 
> scheme to be promoted by elitist specialists and apparently enjoyed only by 
> the far-libertarian Right. 
> He is no longer an anarchist, and judging by the Neo-Nazi criminals he 
> associates with in the last few years he really hates anarchism. 
> 
> On Monday, 30 August 2021, 05:09:43 am AEST, jim bell  
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, Sukumaran's essay is by far the most competent treatment of my 
> Assassination Politics idea and essay.
>          Jim Bell
> 
> 
>>  
>>  
>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 11:45 AM, grarpamp
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://idsa.in/system/files/strategicanalysis_sukumaran_0604.pdf
> 
>

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-08-29 Thread jim bell

To say it is "by far the best" treatment is obviously a comparison, not an 
absolute scale.
All in all, the public's handling of my AP essay has been atrociously 
incompetent.    For people who claim they love freedom and hate tyranny, I've 
described the solution.  People have had 26 years to disprove or just cast 
doubt on AP, and nobody has accomplished that.
AP will work, when tried.  
          Jim Bell 

  On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 7:25 PM, professor rat wrote:   
Oh please. 
You just said this Suk paper was the best take you'd seen on your essay and it 
elided section 10 completely. 
You know you really sound brain-damaged ever since you talked to Jeff Berwick.
You could probably use some professional help.

On Monday, 30 August 2021, 12:12:37 pm AEST, jim bell  
wrote: 

I withdraw nothing of my Assassination Politics essay.

        Jim Bell

>  
>  
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 6:22 PM, professor rat
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Let the record reflect Jim Dumb-bell Dolton has now washed his hands of ' 
> Section 10 ' of his 1995 Essay on Assassination Politics.  His idea now boils 
> down to a technocratic ' Black Box ' scheme involving strict secrecy and a 
> scheme to be promoted by elitist specialists and apparently enjoyed only by 
> the far-libertarian Right. 
> He is no longer an anarchist, and judging by the Neo-Nazi criminals he 
> associates with in the last few years he really hates anarchism. 
> 
> On Monday, 30 August 2021, 05:09:43 am AEST, jim bell  
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, Sukumaran's essay is by far the most competent treatment of my 
> Assassination Politics idea and essay.
>          Jim Bell
> 
> 
>>  
>>  
>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 11:45 AM, grarpamp
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://idsa.in/system/files/strategicanalysis_sukumaran_0604.pdf
> 
>

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-09-15 Thread grarpamp

> the promise of smart contracts for beneficial goals.

The future may soon be one of freedom, one without
today's legacy archy.

And Prediction Markets may answer one of the most
persistant questions held back by people [1] as only
being possible under the domain of the State...

Q: But but but... who will build and maintain the Roads?

A: Whoever answers the questions that are posed
to the market for funding.

System freely determining the validity of questions, level of funds
accumulating, eventually motivating the takers to make predictions...
fully distributed, no prime government contractors, no ownership
or authority in existing roads, open specification, for all.
(PM's often better than DAO's at least in the case of public roads,
since DAO's typically imply and assert themselves as owners,
leading to problems of anti-privacy/freedom/free-use of tracking/tolls,
enforcement, access control, fraud, theft, corruption, eventual shift from
"private in the public interest" to public nuisance, etc. DAO's often better
in private contexts such as business, or voluntarily
subscribed insurance choices, etc.)
Those wanting freedom-of-travel roads will see to it that
those general and particular questions will be posed and
funded and thus answered by predictors when valid...
no vehicle gps trackers or registration or taxes or
tollbooths or anything else needed but free markets.
Whether each single pothole, or all the roads of a region,
Prediction Markets have been noted as capable of
motivating maintainers to show up.

Now go propose, fund, and predict the fixing of that annoying pothole!

Peace, Love, Anarchy.



[1] Who are brainwashed in government indoctrination
camps (aka: public schools) to ignore that lots of roads
were and are done on volunteer/donor, communal shared,
or private interest basis.

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-09-15 Thread grarpamp

> the promise of smart contracts for beneficial goals.


Futarchy: Robin Hanson on How Prediction Markets Can Take over the World
Transcript of interview
Richard Hanania

https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/futarchy-robin-hanson-on-how-prediction
https://podtail.com/podcast/cspi-podcast/18-how-to-get-better-elites/
https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1438142657356656640
https://twitter.com/RobinHanson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WLg-y_gT0w  CSPI #18: Robin Hanson w
Richard Hanania

I recently had Robin Hanson on the CSPI podcast to talk about
futarchy. It’s one thing to spread knowledge on a particular issue,
it’s another to invent a new technology to create more knowledge in
the world, and help apply it where needed. That’s what I see Robin
doing. He convinced me that although it may take a very long time, one
day humanity will give less of a role to systems like peer review and
unaccountable bureaucracy in determining how we understand the world,
and more of a role to prediction markets. The logic is just too
compelling. But sooner is better than later, and if you want to be
involved, please reach out.
How it would work. Source.

The first step towards this glorious future is convincing people that
a world where more decisions are made based on prediction markets is
desirable and achievable. In that spirit, below is a transcript of our
conversation, lightly edited for clarity. To read more about futarchy,
see here.

(beginning of transcript)

Richard: Hi, everyone. Welcome to the CSPI Podcast. I’m here today
with Robin Hanson. Robin, How are you?

Robin: Happy to be here and ready to talk about a big topic.

Richard: We’re glad to have you. Before we get started, while a lot of
our audience is going to know who you are can you just give a brief
description of your background? What do you do? What are your research
interests?

Robin: I'm an associate professor of economics at George Mason
University. I do an excessively diverse range of things. I just had a
paper accepted in a astrophysics journal on the Grabby Aliens. I've
done information aggregation. I have two books, one called The Age of
Em: Work, Love, and Life When Robots Rule the Earth, and the other The
Elephant in the Brain: Hidden Motives in Everyday Life. I guess we'll
just find out more about my prediction market work in this talk.

Richard: Do you have a degree in economics?

Robin: No. I have a PhD in social science from Caltech. Caltech has a
pretty small social science department with say 20 faculty covering
all of social sciences. My degree was in social science. The first
time I went on the job market I actually did better in political
science, but second time I got this job offer in economics.

Richard: Okay. What are your interests? One of the things I think
we're going to spend the bulk of the time talking today is the idea of
a futarchy. Is that how you pronounce it?

Robin: Futarchy would be a fancy name for decision markets applied to
government. The larger topic would be what institutions can we all
share to argue and aggregate information so that we can form
collective beliefs that we can act on together? That’s a question in
academia.

Robin: It's a question in government. It's a question in business.
It’s a very fundamental, difficult problem. I think there's potential
for doing a lot better than we've done.

Richard: Yeah. What’s the problem? What do you see as the main issue
that this is trying to solve?

Robin: Well, you know most of you have been in conversations all your
life. You know that in conversations it’s very complicated. People
have all sorts of agendas. They aren't entirely honest all the time
and they aren't focused on particular tasks. It's not clear you know
that you can believe what they say.

A reporter calls up various expert people with credentials or whatever
and gets quotes for them, but they don't have a good incentive to tell
their best estimate of the truth in those interviews. They're often
incentivized to sound provocative, to ally with whatever political
tribe they're with, et cetera. We have these problems all over in all
the rest of the conversations we have in business, and government, and
academia et cetera.

The question is could we give people more direct, better incentives to
actually tell the truth and figure out the truth so that when we had a
meeting and people raised hands, and we made a decision what to do we
would be doing it on the best knowledge we could have?

Richard: Yeah. The way you answered that question, that made me think
of something. Do you see this as a matter of incentives in the sense
that whoever the experts are they just have to have better incentives,
or do you also see it as sort of a selection process in that there is
some trait, or collection of traits that humans vary on, and some
people are just better at getting at truth than others? Do you take
the first position?

Robin: Both of those factors are important, and so you want an
institution that rel

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-09-15 Thread grarpamp

> the promise of smart contracts for beneficial goals.

An Introduction to Futarchy
Vitalik Buterin
Research & Development

https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/08/21/introduction-futarchy/

One of the more interesting long-term practical benefits of the
technology and concept behind decentralized autonomous organizations
is that DAOs allow us to very quickly prototype and experiment with an
aspect of our social interactions that is so far arguably falling
behind our rapid advancements in information and social technology
elsewhere: organizational governance. Although our modern
communications technology is drastically augmenting individuals’
naturally limited ability to both interact and gather and process
information, the governance processes we have today are still
dependent on what may now be seen as centralized crutches and
arbitrary distinctions such as “member”, “employee”, “customer” and
“investor” - features that were arguably originally necessary because
of the inherent difficulties of managing large numbers of people up to
this point, but perhaps no longer. Now, it may be possible to create
systems that are more fluid and generalized that take advantage of the
full power law curve of people’s ability and desire to contribute.
There are a number of new governance models that try to take advantage
of our new tools to improve transparency and efficiency, including
liquid democracy and holacracy; the one that I will discuss and
dissect today is futarchy.

The idea behind futarchy was originally proposed by economist Robin
Hanson as a futuristic form of government, following the slogan: vote
values, but bet beliefs. Under this system, individuals would vote not
on whether or not to implement particular policies, but rather on a
metric to determine how well their country (or charity or company) is
doing, and then prediction markets would be used to pick the policies
that best optimize the metric. Given a proposal to approve or reject,
two prediction markets would be created each containing one asset, one
market corresponding to acceptance of the measure and one to
rejection. If the proposal is accepted, then all trades on the
rejection market would be reverted, but on the acceptance market after
some time everyone would be paid some amount per token based on the
futarchy’s chosen success metric, and vice versa if the proposal is
rejected. The market is allowed to run for some time, and then at the
end the policy with the higher average token price is chosen.

Our interest in futarchy, as explained above, is in a slightly
different form and use case of futarchy, governing decentralized
autonomous organizations and cryptographic protocols; however, I am
presenting the use of futarchy in a national government first because
it is a more familiar context. So to see how futarchy works, let’s go
through an example.

Suppose that the success metric chosen is GDP in trillions of dollars,
with a time delay of ten years, and there exists a proposed policy:
“bail out the banks”. Two assets are released, each of which promises
to pay $1 per token per trillion dollars of GDP after ten years. The
markets might be allowed to run for two weeks, during which the “yes”
token fetches an average price of $24.94 (meaning that the market
thinks that the GDP after ten years will be $24.94 trillion) and the
“no” token fetches an average price of $26.20. The banks are not
bailed out. All trades on the “yes” market are reverted, and after ten
years everyone holding the asset on the “no” market gets $26.20
apiece.

Typically, the assets in a futarchy are zero-supply assets, similar to
Ripple IOUs or BitAssets. This means that the only way the tokens can
be created is through a derivatives market; individuals can place
orders to buy or sell tokens, and if two orders match the tokens are
transferred from the buyer to the seller in exchange for USD. It’s
possible to sell tokens even if you do not have them; the only
requirement in that case is that the seller must put down some amount
of collateral to cover the eventual negative reward. An important
consequence of the zero-supply property is that because the positive
and negative quantities, and therefore rewards cancel each other out,
barring communication and consensus costs the market is actually free
to operate.
The Argument For

Futarchy has become a controversial subject since the idea was
originally proposed. The theoretical benefits are numerous. First of
all, futarchy fixes the “voter apathy” and “rational irrationality”
problem in democracy, where individuals do not have enough incentive
to even learn about potentially harmful policies because the
probability that their vote will have an effect is insignificant
(estimated at 1 in 10 million for a US government national election);
in futarchy, if you have or obtain information that others do not
have, you can personally substantially profit from it, and if you are
wrong you lose money. Essentially, you are literally putting your

Re: Assassination Politics

2021-09-23 Thread grarpamp

Elites, Politicians, Mafioso... waxing each other as usual...

See also...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jovenel_Moise
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome


Top Adviser To Ukrainian President Targeted In "Assassination Attempt"

Gunmen opened fire on a vehicle occupied by the top adviser to
President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine on Wednesday in what
authorities deemed an "assassination attempt," according to AFP.

Sergiy Shefir, 57, the first assistant advisor to Zelensky, was
unscathed this morning after a hail of 7.62 caliber rounds fired from
automatic weapons penetrated his unarmoured Audi A8L. However, his
driver was seriously injured.

Speaking with journalists after the incident, Shefir said the attack
was intended to spook senior policymakers. "All I can say is that the
assassination attempt was carried out to intimidate the highest
echelon of power," he said.

He explained more details about what happened: "We were driving when,
suddenly, shots rang out. They wounded the driver, who was amazing and
carried on driving. We sped up a bit. It was a scary moment. I
immediately called the police and the interior minister."

Shefir went on to say the incident will not intimidate the president,
calling him a "very strong-willed and decisive person."

Zelensky was in New York City at the time of the incident holding
meetings at the United Nations. Shortly after he was briefed on the
shooting, he issued a statement condemning the attack and said he
would fly back to Kiev this evening.

One of Zelensky's aides said the attack was an attempt to
"demonstrably kill a key member of the team."

Another presidential advisor, Mykhailo Podolyak, said the attack was
in response to "politics directed at limiting the traditional
influence of shadowy oligarchs."

So far, the assailants' identity is unknown, and there's a lot of
finger-pointing within Zelensky's party. Some have blamed Moscow,
smugglers, and crime bosses, while others have said it's too early to
blame who is responsible. However, there's agreement within the party
that the attack was meant to destabilize the country's political
situation.

Re: Assassination Politics

2020-09-11 Thread grarpamp

Quote some unrelated talk from "Campus Reform" around the
"justified greater good", "means to an end" debate re NAP and AP...


"
"What's so great about assassinating a rando fascist? And in the
absence of a sound affirmative justification, it should be easy to
envision the drawbacks."

"The problem with violence is that it usually, though not always,
is a bad idea. That I agree with,"
Loomis said in another comment, "Yes, sometimes violence is necessary,
say to avoid greater physical harm, i.e. self-defense, or to defeat
a literal army of fascists who are trying to kill people. But,
ideologically, I think the idea that violence is good if it's against
our political enemies is a core part of fascism, and so the ideological
opposition to that idea should be its opposite - that violence as
a general rule is bad, unless the specific context of that situation
requires a violent response."
"

Which may beg questions among AP analysts, debaters,
proponents, detractors, etc...
What exactly is the current situation?
What is the level of harmless moral or otherwise voluntary
freedom you can have without ultimately being killed
for resisting State's coercion?
What may be the situation's future trend and result upon peoples?
What from history may help predict various future trend paths
should they be left unchecked via any substantially influential
and even independantly equalizing manner?
What may be the right path for a free... or more importantly,
to free... humanity... and how do you get there, assuredly,
in a lifetime relavant timeframe?
When everything else has already been tried and failed.

Re: Assassination Politics

2020-09-15 Thread grarpamp

https://www.thedailybeast.com/michael-scheuer-hunted-bin-laden-for-cia-now-he-wants-americans-dead
https://gawker.com/georgetown-adjunct-professor-doubles-down-on-call-to-as-1501076906
https://www.non-intervention2.com/

Note the recent mercenary expedition to Venezuela, etc.
And other standing methods such as "reward, dead or alive or leading to".

AP surely by now not an unknown concept and of
some heady interest among global political apparatus,
such players likely being among first to explore
and roll its development further towards production.

Players already game of droning, antisat, cyber,
virus, and kinetic bombardment as (potentially
anonymous) plays, some being already used.

Given the risk of political blowback if such
typical contracts, rewards, and games exposed...
will they risk deploying an autonomous anonymous
true AP running outside respective players control.
And will the masses then use any deployment to
target such big players for fun and freedom.

Related...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Assured_Destruction

Re: Assassination Politics

2020-11-13 Thread grarpamp

https://mobile.twitter.com/stiffsdotcom
https://stiffs.com/
Domain continuously registered since 1997-08-06,
site claims 1994.

AP, PAM FutureMaps, Sanjuro, etc appear as subjects
on list once in a while.

Many potential technical components for a fully autonomous
gaming system are slowly appearing.

Indistinguishability Obfuscation / Homomorphic Encryption
could play roles in autonomous code operating within a network.

For example, if InOb allows for code to be invisible,
then the code might not need to be running multiple
uncensorable copies of itself that then need consensused
together like nonstop computing / space computers do...
plausible deniability allows any node to safely provide
cycles to the code.

A survivable distributed compute platform could be
useful for many realworld applications, wherein what
is surviving are the application code itself that are injected
into them and run thereafter without attendance, not
subject to censor or downtime so long as the network
remains up,  generating or receiving their own income to
pay their own cost of compute run cycles in the network.

Imagine an unkillable poker or chess bot, send a few
coin and a message to its address API, it wakes
up plays a few hands, moves some pieces, reports
the weather, etc. Then hibernates on the net / chain
till the next trigger. Multiple independant instances
of a game are just another injection and address away.

Hardest part of games such as sports betting is need to
draw consensus over inputs as to what the weather
was yesterday... perhaps easier than creating a [learning]
AI that can reliably scrape it from the real world on autopilot,
which it might need to do weekly for years on end given
the accumulators involved in longer larger bets.
Consensus based on input from oracles to crypto blockchain
prediction systems has been noted.

Pluggable portable updateable modularity of separate
yet interacting code components can reduce the need
to halt code or login for system maintenance. Yet that is not
ideal... a simple digital library core where users only add
and deposit/refund book orders should be capable of
operating fully autonomously.

Today gambling runs only on single centralized websites,
and is subject to various regulations, and to takedown
even by traffic analysis and other attacks to find such
sites... they work for a while but seem to die eventually.

Tomorrow's more advanced compute, blockchain, cryptocurrency,
overlay, RF, satcom, and distributed mesh networks may offer
more possibilities for gaming enthusiasts.
Even if it's only a nice game of chess with a bot.

Re: Assassination Politics

2020-11-13 Thread Karl

The point of AP is to save Jim B.  We do also need crypto markets that do
more than just let us actually prepare for our deaths.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 3:44 AM grarpamp  wrote:

> https://mobile.twitter.com/stiffsdotcom
> https://stiffs.com/
> Domain continuously registered since 1997-08-06,
> site claims 1994.
>
> AP, PAM FutureMaps, Sanjuro, etc appear as subjects
> on list once in a while.
>
> Many potential technical components for a fully autonomous
> gaming system are slowly appearing.
>
> Indistinguishability Obfuscation / Homomorphic Encryption
> could play roles in autonomous code operating within a network.
>
> For example, if InOb allows for code to be invisible,
> then the code might not need to be running multiple
> uncensorable copies of itself that then need consensused
> together like nonstop computing / space computers do...
> plausible deniability allows any node to safely provide
> cycles to the code.
>
> A survivable distributed compute platform could be
> useful for many realworld applications, wherein what
> is surviving are the application code itself that are injected
> into them and run thereafter without attendance, not
> subject to censor or downtime so long as the network
> remains up,  generating or receiving their own income to
> pay their own cost of compute run cycles in the network.
>
> Imagine an unkillable poker or chess bot, send a few
> coin and a message to its address API, it wakes
> up plays a few hands, moves some pieces, reports
> the weather, etc. Then hibernates on the net / chain
> till the next trigger. Multiple independant instances
> of a game are just another injection and address away.
>
> Hardest part of games such as sports betting is need to
> draw consensus over inputs as to what the weather
> was yesterday... perhaps easier than creating a [learning]
> AI that can reliably scrape it from the real world on autopilot,
> which it might need to do weekly for years on end given
> the accumulators involved in longer larger bets.
> Consensus based on input from oracles to crypto blockchain
> prediction systems has been noted.
>
> Pluggable portable updateable modularity of separate
> yet interacting code components can reduce the need
> to halt code or login for system maintenance. Yet that is not
> ideal... a simple digital library core where users only add
> and deposit/refund book orders should be capable of
> operating fully autonomously.
>
> Today gambling runs only on single centralized websites,
> and is subject to various regulations, and to takedown
> even by traffic analysis and other attacks to find such
> sites... they work for a while but seem to die eventually.
>
> Tomorrow's more advanced compute, blockchain, cryptocurrency,
> overlay, RF, satcom, and distributed mesh networks may offer
> more possibilities for gaming enthusiasts.
> Even if it's only a nice game of chess with a bot.
>

Re: Assassination Politics

2020-11-13 Thread grarpamp

On 11/13/20, Karl  wrote:
> The point of AP is to save Jim B.  We do also need crypto markets that do
> more than just let us actually prepare for our deaths.

Life is nothing more than process of preparing for death,
those embracing such reality are free to have more fun.

Now quit top posting and block quoting.

Re: Assassination Politics

2020-11-13 Thread Zenaan Harkness

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 04:36:30PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
> On 11/13/20, Karl  wrote:
> > The point of AP is to save Jim B.  We do also need crypto markets that do
> > more than just let us actually prepare for our deaths.
> 
> Life is nothing more than process of preparing for death,
> those embracing such reality are free to have more fun.
> 
> Now quit top posting and block quoting.

Ack, block quoting 7KiB for a 2 line (top posted!) reply is getting rather 
shitty ... very lazy.

Re: Assassination Politics

2020-11-28 Thread grarpamp

> https://augur.net

There was talk that Augur had some sort of moderation
that refuse to award certain controversial outcomes,
or refuse to list certain controversial wagers.
What is the status of that?
If a platform is corrupt, even guessing the score of the
next ball game can become a pointless play.

Re: Assassination Politics

2022-07-09 Thread grarpamp

> Assassination technologies

https://nypost.com/2022/07/08/shinzo-abe-assassin-used-homemade-gun/
Commercial factory produced? No.
3D-Printed? No.
Guns and ammo banned? Yes.
Homemade? Yes.
Pipe, wood, duct tape, zip ties, batteries, glow coils,
black powder, projectiles... crude, effective, unstoppable.
Models included a nine-barrelled zombie disruptor.

Re: Assassination Politics

> https://nypost.com/2022/07/08/shinzo-abe-assassin-used-homemade-gun/

Speaking of Assassins and Communism...

The 1960 Assassination of Inejirō Asanuma That Saved Japan From Communism

http://5qg6inrpkyipshsgmtitizxyc6cew6m6az4rkxqmm7lepjibvepme5yd.onion/2022/07/08/the-1960-assassination-of-inejiro-asanuma-that-saved-japan-from-communism/

Video: On 12 October 1960, Inejirō Asanuma (浅沼 稲次郎, Asanuma Inejirō),
chairman of the Japan Socialist Party, was assassinated at Hibiya
Public Hall in Tokyo. During a televised debate, a 17-year-old
right-wing ultranationalist named Otoya Yamaguchi charged onto the
stage and fatally stabbed Asanuma with a wakizashi (a type of
traditional short sword).

Re: Assassination Politics

2022-07-10 Thread Karl Semich

any thoughts on relevance of AP today given increased difficulty in
retaining anonymity when there is a significant power disparity?

Re: Assassination Politics

2022-07-10 Thread Karl Semich

Apologies that I have not been keeping up with this thread, so my
commentary may be disruptive. I've kind of been just using the list as a
notepad in spam threads, which might be disrespectful.

I'm thinking of anonymity and AP.

Democracies need anonymity, so if democracy sticks around, we'll need to
improve how information spreads from citizens, anyway.

In the meantime, murder is legal in many contexts such as self defense in
many areas, by government workers such as law enforcement, or probably with
support of a major group already participating in it in some way. I imagine
such things have been mentioned or thought of before. Seems like
"legitimate" assassination fould be a way to rebootstrap things in a
surveilled situation.

But really we need anonymity anyway. I wonder how targeted people could
support rebuilding common anonymity.

Re: Assassination Politics

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1546198627814498304
Apparently DC Democrat Operatives are paying $200 to anyone in
service industry (restaurant, retail, etc) calling out the realtime
locations of their political enemies (judges, probably soon to
be others) so they can target them for... harassment flashmobs.

Re: Assassination Politics

> If cypherpunks claim that their Prediction Markets and other ideas could
> solve some of the world's hard problems...

On 7/10/22, professor rat  wrote:
> Looking for Proactive Kill-Switch company
> ...
> I'm hoping just before - or around - CYPHERPUNK 2027

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market

It's been known likely since before the genesis of cryptocurrency,
and certainly thereafter, for at least a decade now, including since Sanjuro,
and since the debate over Augur's moderators ability to cancel awards
over "unconscionable" markets, and since many more now public examples...
that any crypto that can send a message along with the bid transaction
(such as lots of Ethereum ERC-20, and Craig Wright's BSV, and more)
could be used for Assassination Politics, or any Prediction Market in general.

In fact, games on outcomes have been running over trivial questions such
as the weather, sports, and elections for a while now on some PM platforms.

The Rat... apparently too tech-dumb, coward, cop, or fake to run
his own game, thus his grandstanding 2027 style posts.
And his failure to properly thread posts is just as immature,
and just as non-productive to the game he claims to sling.

Anyhow... like the cryptocurrencies they rely on,
Prediction Markets will change the world for the better.

See a pothole in the road? Put up a market to get it fixed, bidders
will concur, predictors will fix it to spec, no Government needed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market

Re: Assassination Politics

Meta Search: journals, whitepapers, etc...

"assassination+market"
"assassination+politics"
"market+for+assassination"
"prediction+market"
... etc

https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q="Assassination+market";
https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q="Assassination+market"+-wikipedia
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q="Assassination+market"+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q="Assassination+market";
https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q="Assassination+market"+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org
https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403:galkqgoksq0&cof=FORID:13;AH:left;CX:Wikipedia%20Reference%20Search&q="Assassination+market";
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources
https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query="Assassination+market"&acc=on&wc=on
https://www.nytimes.com/search/"Assassination+market";
https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q="Assassination+market";

Re: Assassination Politics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jim_Bell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:James_dalton_bell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:James_dalton_bell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/james_dalton_bell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jamesdbell8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jamesdbell8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jamesdbell8

Re: Assassination Politics