Re: Life Extension Research
On Thu, Aug 08, 2019 at 04:28:22PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > On 8/8/19, John Newman wrote: > > sci-fi > > sitting on ass > > Point is that sci-fi will always remain sci-fi > unless people put down the sci-fi book and > start getting up off their ass to make it happen, > or at least contribute directly to what they read. > > Humans have communication nets, space > probes, transplant surgery... all because they > put down that sci-fi book, ignored all the FUD > bullshit from their fakeass Rulers, and got it done. > > Then the next impossible sci-fi book came out, > and they got that done too. > > Now with private cryptocurrencies over > encrypted overlay networks, you're right, > people can in fact remain seated on their > ass and clickfund $10/month to whatever > [underground] sci-fi projects they read about > on their [darknet] screens :) I'd personally only click fund to folks with at least something of a public presence with which I have at least some familiarity - the grarpamps, John Youngs, Juans, Dukes and Anglins of the world. Nothing against anon contributions per se, just want to contribute to folks who are real to me and who stand in principles - even if not exactly aligned with my own, but at least overlapping. > The FUD in schools, government, religion, all > sorts of other weird control and power structures, > is a significant unnecessary artificial holdback on > progress, whether dreamed up in sci-fi or elsewhere. > And is another topic altogether. Indeed! > Live long and prosper.
Re: Life Extension Research
On 8/8/19, Michael Motes wrote: > Russia is way out ahead. See Kavinson's research, > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tK-orGlHFDM It is interesting to consider what countries, and or what private supporters, in the world would be more suitable for development of new research paradigms, starting new projects, to even speculating on why who where might get there first, via what means, and of course to what ends. Any new assessments beyond prior sci-fi books? "Nothing is permanent, but change!"
Re: Life Extension Research
On August 8, 2019 8:28:22 PM UTC, grarpamp wrote: >On 8/8/19, John Newman wrote: >> sci-fi >> sitting on ass > >Point is that sci-fi will always remain sci-fi >unless people put down the sci-fi book and >start getting up off their ass to make it happen, >or at least contribute directly to what they read. > This is a different phrasing, actually a different point, than I originally replied to. My point, and my only point, is that this shit makes for good sci-fi whether I sit on my ass or not, and whether any of it ever happens or not. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but the way you qualified my statement "it makes for good sci-fi" with "ONLY IF you sit on your ass doing nothing about it" is nonsense. It makes for good sci-fi, full stop. As to the statement about it always remaining sf unless people act, of course if all the engineers and coders and scientists in the world quit working en masse then progress will stop. But I don't see that happening. I know I need a fucking paycheck ;) (not that I'm working on the fountain of youth or anything) Anyway I think we started talking past each other. >Live long and prosper. Catch you later, in the dark near the Tannhauser gate, where the C-beams glitter ;) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Life Extension Research
On 8/8/19, John Newman wrote: > sci-fi > sitting on ass Point is that sci-fi will always remain sci-fi unless people put down the sci-fi book and start getting up off their ass to make it happen, or at least contribute directly to what they read. Humans have communication nets, space probes, transplant surgery... all because they put down that sci-fi book, ignored all the FUD bullshit from their fakeass Rulers, and got it done. Then the next impossible sci-fi book came out, and they got that done too. Now with private cryptocurrencies over encrypted overlay networks, you're right, people can in fact remain seated on their ass and clickfund $10/month to whatever [underground] sci-fi projects they read about on their [darknet] screens :) The FUD in schools, government, religion, all sorts of other weird control and power structures, is a significant unnecessary artificial holdback on progress, whether dreamed up in sci-fi or elsewhere. And is another topic altogether. Live long and prosper.
Re: Life Extension Research
Russia is way out ahead. See Kavinson's research, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tK-orGlHFDM
Re: Life Extension Research
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 11:16:50PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > On 8/7/19, John Newman wrote:> /* SNIP - I was being "semi-facetious" in my original reply, although this stuff does really interest me, and I basically agree with most of your reply & may craft a full reply, to your reply, at a later date :P */ > > It makes for good sci-fi. > > Only if you sit on your ass doing nothing about it. > Instead of reading it, ignore shit and try creating and living it. WHOA - I have to disagree, in fact I'd say you're wrong. Whether or not these tropes make for good sci-fi, which they most definitely do, is totally orthogonal to me sitting on my ass (with or without thumb inserted). cheers, John -- GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Life Extension Research
On 8/7/19, John Newman wrote:> > You think we'll be able to map the relevant structure of a > human brain and convert and run it on a different > substrate (e.g. a computer) BEFORE or AFTER we have > biological solutions that let us live forever Ignoring law, ethics, religion, risk, government, etc... Depends on the extent of what needs modeled, tooled, and solved, and in what domains, to reach one or the other first. Biological Forever... 1.1) Seems perhaps a matter of hacking in a patch to general aging symptom, or reengineering the root cause. It seems doable, especially on massively parallelizable early stage test platform such as at sperm meets egg... twiddling bits testing theories until something works. Together, 5 male and 5 female researchers could privately finance and quietly do it in a communal workspace if need be. 1.2) Rewiring any animal that has already hatched may be a harder task... viral, prion, etc. However the tooling and knowledge in 1.1 is likely to have general applicability. Digital Forever... 1.0) Even if you had a brain computer (whether digital or analog), which few are even suggesting any ideas yet how to do (even with digital being easy to test on emulator, FPGA, ASIC) 2.0) You need to upload the brain consciousness and memory to it, which no one has any idea yet how to do, certainly not while alive in nondestructive fashion. Answer: AFTER currently seems much more likely, and much sooner. > copies ... solar system > heat death > [external] disease (where not an as yet undiscovered cause of aging) > threats > accident (irrecoverable physical splattering) These all the same... off topic external to the problem of solving aging itself. And today other than disease, all are negligible causes of death before aging. At least until you get to 1000+ year spans, wherein accident rates start registering as taking their toll. > The Earth is being ravaged Solving life extension probably doesn't require 8 billion humans from which to draw odds of finding the right talent and odds at doing so. Nor likely does solving anything else. > other shit slows us down. > it's all a big race really. True. Which is why society needs to seriously start picking apart the legacy ignorables above, discarding the bullshit, and proceeding with what isn't. The chance that the bulk of it is some protective feedback circuit breaker built into the genome to prevent suiciding ourselves, as opposed to being utter bullshit FUD impediment, seems low. > It makes for good sci-fi. Only if you sit on your ass doing nothing about it. Instead of reading it, ignore shit and try creating and living it.
Re: Life Extension Research
I already feel like I need a vaycay, tnx but no tnx.. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Life Extension Research
On August 7, 2019 7:13:01 PM UTC, grarpamp wrote: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_extension > >https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/11/-sp-live-forever-extend-life-calico-google-longevity >https://newatlas.com/alkahest-young-blood-plasma-alzheimers-cognitive-decline/60927/ Gr>https://www.calicolabs.com/ >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetics_research_organizations >https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/nov/26/worlds-first-gene-edited-babies-created-in-china-claims-scientist >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Genomics_Institute >https://cdn1.sph.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/2012/10/China-Genetic-Resources-Guidance.docx > > >The basic science and technology needed to start >investigating large areas of the problem space >has been coming online over the last decade or so. >Another ten should start to see much larger >research efforts and distributed througout the world. > >The same as it chooses to eat and stitch up >its wounds to live, Humans are wired to forever >seek fixes to death where it can. And it now knows >that much much more lies beyond its former magic >and methods of bronze age scalpels and space age >nuclear radiation, that the entire field of bioscience >and bioengineering is still completely unexplored, that >any given year's brick walls therein are likely penetrable. >Thus it will do so, more and more now, at speed. You think we'll be able to map the relevant structure of a human brain and convert and run it on a different substrate (e.g. a computer) BEFORE or AFTER we have biological solutions that let us live forever (barring some accident) ? Until we have the former and can run a brain as a VM with copies stashed in data centers all over the world (solar system), then biological death is still a danger (a certainty over the right time scale, although heat death gets everything in the end). Of course, with all these advances we make, other shit slows us down. Antibiotic resistance (and other treatment resistant forms of disease) are becoming a serious problem. The Earth is being ravaged, various existential threats lurk around several corners, it's all a big race really. It makes for good sci-fi. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
