bbc cell phone tracking story

2000-08-15 Thread No User

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_874000/874419.stm

Video postcards can be sent with 3rd-Generation phones

By BBC News Online internet reporter Mark Ward 

The next generation of mobile phones will make it much easier for the police to carry 
out covert surveillance of citizens, say civil liberty campaigners. 

They warn that the combination of location revealing technology built into the phones 
and rights given to the police under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act mean 
the owners of such phones can be watched. 

They are advising people that using one of the new phones might make it hard for them 
to maintain their privacy. 

In recognition of the implications, phone companies are planning to let people conceal 
where they are at the touch of a button. 

Phone metre 

Although existing GSM handsets can be used as location devices, they typically only 
give a fix to within a couple of hundred meters. 

Future phones will direct you to the nearest Indian take away

While this is good enough to tell drivers about traffic problems on the roads ahead, 
mobile phone companies are not using the technology for much more than this. 

Accuracy can be improved if handsets are fitted with special software and the mobile 
phone operators adopt complementary software for their networks. 

Using this technology, handsets can be pinpointed to within 50 metres of their actual 
position. 

Newer mobile phone technologies such as the General Packet Radio Services and 
Universal Mobile Telecommunications Services have more accurate locating systems built 
in. 

GPRS services are due to become widely available later this year and UMTS telephone 
networks are due to be switched on in 2002. 

Timing triangle 

Both GPRS and UMTS can locate a handset to within 15 metres by timing how long it 
takes packets of data to travel from different base stations to the handset. 

The handset then uses this to calculate where the phone is in the area covered by the 
base stations. 

"Service providers are going to do that calculation routinely so they can sell the 
data to companies that want to send you mail and messages," said Caspar Bowden, 
director of the Foundation for Information Policy Research. 

Often people will be happy to reveal their location and who they are, particularly if 
they are looking for a cash point or a good restaurant in a town they are visiting. 

Many companies are keen to use this location data so they can send special offers, 
such as cut-price cinema tickets, to anyone walking past their doors. 

Others are planning to combine location data and personal information to target people 
with adverts customised to match their preferences. 

Privacy protection 

But, said Mr Bowden, the newly passed Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act could 
allow for the data to be used for a more sinister purpose. 

He said the RIP Act regards the information used to locate phones as "communications 
data" and says police do not need a warrant to obtain it. 

As a result, he said, the police could use this information to conduct covert 
surveillance of anyone using such a phone. 

Phone companies are planning to let people opt in and out of the location-based 
services to ensure privacy is not compromised and people are not bombarded with 
messages they do not want to read. 

"It has always been our aim to enable the customer to decide whether or not to have 
his or her location sent to the network," said a spokesman for mobile service provider 
Orange. 

But all this means is that the information is not being passed on to advertisers, said 
Mr Bowden. 

"Whether or not you want to receive ads, the location data will be collected," he 
said. 








Mail-order cat piss (was Re: Trolls)

2000-08-15 Thread David Honig

At 07:03 PM 8/14/00 -0400, Steven Furlong wrote:

I could probably come up with uses for cat pee if I set my mind to it.
I'm having considerable difficulty with the idea of commercially-
available cat pee. Is it sanitized? Are Dept of Health certificates
needed? How on earth can you make a profit selling cat pee by mail?
Who _thought_ of selling cat pee, let alone by mail?

The mind wobbles.

You can buy scents to attract and repel animals, e.g.
for hunting or gardening, respectively.  Since they are not
for internal (or topical, AFAIK) use, they are not regulated.
I don't imagine the market for say estrous deer butt-glands
is huge, but if you need that stuff, it'll cost ya.













  








Re: The Sound Of Security?

2000-08-15 Thread David Honig

At 04:25 AM 8/15/00 -0400, A. Melon wrote:
New credit-card technology uses
sound waves to enforce security

So now in addition to shoulder-surfing we worry about
ultrasonic tape recorders...








  








Mail-order cat piss (was Re: Trolls)

2000-08-15 Thread David Honig

At 09:36 PM 8/14/00 -0400, Eric Murray wrote:
  Horses are much more visual than
anything else

In that case the polihooligans should dress up in strange costumes.  Only
the horses that have worked the SF parades (or certain parts of Hollywood)
would be able to deal with the sights...












  








Mail-order cat piss (was Re: Trolls)

2000-08-15 Thread David Honig

At 12:56 AM 8/15/00 -0400, Reese wrote:
Horse manure accomplishes the same thing, if used instead of cattle manure
as a fertilizer.

Well just as the hoohah got started, someone from PETA dropped
a ton of horse manure on the hotel steps.  Didn't keep the pigs or
horses away. (The activist was dressed in a pig costume, which
made for a nice photo of his arrest.
http://www.latimes.com/news/state/2813/t75982.html)






  








Re: AOL and hate speech

2000-08-15 Thread Marcel Popescu

X-Loop: openpgp.net
From: "petro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   In any case, I never suggested that MenWithGuns should force AOL to
   modify its hate speech policy.
 
 It could have been easily interpreted as such (and it has been).

 Anyone who has been reading Mr. May's missives for any length
 of time would not interpret it so. Well, they wouldn't interpret it
 as MenWithGovermentGuns anyway.

It's funny, I would have said the same if I *wouldn't have* read The Moron's
"missives" for some length. However, once I saw "the government should go in
and kidnap Elian, and kill his US relatives while they're at it", I think
that "The Moron is a libertarian" has somehow lost any chance of being true,
at least for me.

Mark








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Re: Quantum Cryptography and resistance

2000-08-15 Thread David Honig

At 01:37 PM 8/15/00 -0400, Timothy Brown wrote:
Hey, folks -

Can anyone provide pointers for the layman to documents describing
theoretical cryptosystems resistant to quantum cryptanalysis?  The
assumption is made that those systems would be implemented on quantum
computing devices.

Essentially what i'm asking is:  How would cryptography evolve once a
quantum computer is available?


Simple.  Use bigger keys.  Bigger by the work-factor that quantum
computation gives you (see Grover's algorithm).  E.g., a 512-bit symmetric
block cipher should be good for a few more years, quantum computers
or not.  3-AES anyone?











  








Re: Quantum Cryptography and resistance

2000-08-15 Thread dmolnar



On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, David Honig wrote:

[original poster asks :]
 Essentially what i'm asking is:  How would cryptography evolve once a
 quantum computer is available?
 
 
 Simple.  Use bigger keys.  Bigger by the work-factor that quantum
 computation gives you (see Grover's algorithm).  E.g., a 512-bit symmetric
 block cipher should be good for a few more years, quantum computers
 or not.  3-AES anyone?

yup. but don't forget public key crypto...
what happens if quantum computers become practical :

symmetric crypto : barring specialised attacks for a cipher, 
brute force search goes from 2^n to 2^(n/2) steps. 
So 128 bit keys take 2^64 steps or so to break, 256 bit keys
take 2^128, 512 bit keys take 2^256 steps. So at 256 bits
or higher, you should be fine. 

public-key crypto : factoring and discrete log become "easy."
Thus RSA and Diffie-Hellman and all their cousins become broken.
Search begins in earnest for alternative one-way functions and public-key
cryptosystems. As far as I know,  NTRU doesn't have a quantum algorithm
for breaking it; there may be others. 

Actually, this brings up a point - what weird public-key cryptosystems
not based on factoring or discrete log are there? I can think of
Arithmetica's system and NTRU off the top of my head, but not much more. 

Thanks, 
-David





Re: user name and password?

2000-08-15 Thread Steven Furlong

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 http://cryptome.org/
 
 I tried to access the archives and got the attached  jpg.
 
 I wonder if fumble, bumble and inept is involved with this?


Use http://216.167.120.50/ instead. There were "problems" a few weeks
back, caused by asshole, jerkoff, and dickhead.

-- 
Steve Furlong, Computer Condottiere Have GNU, will travel
   518-374-4720 [EMAIL PROTECTED]





Mail-order cat piss (was Re: Trolls)

2000-08-15 Thread Richard Crisp

This is legitimate, the urine of foxes and bobcats is regularly used to keep
pests out of gardens such as squirrels, moles, voles, and other such
critters. I understand that Skunks can be kept away with such products too.
rdc

Harmon Seaver wrote:

  Heck, you can get some pretty nice scents from ads in the back of
 Fur-Fish-Game, the trapper's magazine. Also any place that sells
 trapping supplies (I know there are some web sites for trap supplies
 now, but don't have an URL) would carry scents. Cat, fox, coyote urine
 and gland scents, skunk, you betcha! And it's amazingly strong. And long
 lasting.





Mail-order cat piss (was Re: Trolls)

2000-08-15 Thread Reese

At 09:48 AM 15/08/00 -0400, David Honig wrote:
 At 12:56 AM 8/15/00 -0400, Reese wrote:
 Horse manure accomplishes the same thing, if used instead of cattle manure
 as a fertilizer.
 
 Well just as the hoohah got started, someone from PETA dropped
 a ton of horse manure on the hotel steps.  Didn't keep the pigs or
 horses away.

The original poster suggested cat piss to keep the deer away, horse manure
does the same trick - with regard to deer.

Reese