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IP: WATCHING YOU WATCHING THEM: Edupage, July 11, 2001 (fwd)
-- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/;leitl/a __ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:09:08 -0400 From: David Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IP: WATCHING YOU WATCHING THEM: Edupage, July 11, 2001 WATCHING YOU WATCHING THEM New tracking technology in cell phones, interactive TVs, and GPS-enabled rental cars is raising privacy concerns. Already, several companies are developing software to help track and make use of data collected from TV set-top boxes. The Center for Digital Democracy, an advocacy group for consumer privacy, is currently lobbying for regulations on the use of such technology that targets ads and gathers personal data. Aware of the possible government restrictions, the Association for Interactive Media is trying to outline privacy guidelines for interactive TV operations such as Microsoft's UltimateTV and the TiVo recorder. Currently, those companies are outside of cable regulations because they make use of phone lines. A host of companies are rushing to take advantage of a FCC deadline for wireless carriers to be able to pinpoint the location of cell phone users. Besides being able to locate users in 911-emergency cases, companies will be able to send location-specific wireless ads to subscribers of wireless Internet services. (Boston Globe, 9 July 2001) For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/
IP: WATCHING YOU WATCHING THEM: Edupage, July 11, 2001 (fwd)
-- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/;leitl/a __ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:09:08 -0400 From: David Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IP: WATCHING YOU WATCHING THEM: Edupage, July 11, 2001 WATCHING YOU WATCHING THEM New tracking technology in cell phones, interactive TVs, and GPS-enabled rental cars is raising privacy concerns. Already, several companies are developing software to help track and make use of data collected from TV set-top boxes. The Center for Digital Democracy, an advocacy group for consumer privacy, is currently lobbying for regulations on the use of such technology that targets ads and gathers personal data. Aware of the possible government restrictions, the Association for Interactive Media is trying to outline privacy guidelines for interactive TV operations such as Microsoft's UltimateTV and the TiVo recorder. Currently, those companies are outside of cable regulations because they make use of phone lines. A host of companies are rushing to take advantage of a FCC deadline for wireless carriers to be able to pinpoint the location of cell phone users. Besides being able to locate users in 911-emergency cases, companies will be able to send location-specific wireless ads to subscribers of wireless Internet services. (Boston Globe, 9 July 2001) For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/
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UK manufacturer launches stool sampling cyber-loo
I remember something like this already being done in Japan w/ regard to public toilets... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/20340.html James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Most of a nation on probation? (GPS convicts)
On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Aimee Farr wrote: Tim's comment about facial recognition (Smart CCTV on the signage) being a social mindgame does bring to mind predictions of a surveillance caste system and real-space criminal blocks or enclaves (i.e. Escape From New York). We're watching you = Don't come here, pragmatically forcing undesirables outside legitimate transactional and social systems. Bear wrote: Right. Between all the offender databases and surveillance for your (cough) protection and so on, anyone who's got a record winds up so completely frozen out of normal society that it becomes impossible for them to get by without continuing as a part of criminal society. Some of Florida's convicted criminals are under constant supervision without being housed in prisons, thanks to the use of Global Positioning System (GPS). The system, which is currently monitoring 600 convicts in Florida, uses a satellite, and can be programmed to alert authorities when a sex offender, for instance, is going near a schoolyard. GPS tracking is more effective than the old electronic monitoring system, which many states still employ. The new technology can locate the offender from room to room within a house, or on a street corner. However, probation officers will still have to physically check on persons who are on the program, which lasts about two years. The new system costs $9.17 per day, compared to $50 a day for an state prison-housed inmate, or $3 per day for conventional electronic monitoring. (www.sunsentinel.com) Source: NLECTC Law Enforcement Corrections Technology News Summary
General Ashcroft make his move
General Ashcroft has announce the Second Amendment applies to individuals. This will apparently affect the case of a Tim Emerson, a Texas physician accused of violating a 1994 law barring people under restraining orders from having guns. The DOJ is currently appealing the case claiming the Second Amendment does not extend to an individual the right to guns. http://www.bradycampaign.org has filed an ethics complaint against Ashcroft. WWW illiterate: http://usdoj.gov doesn't work.
Soon Big Brother will know your shit...
Spotted off Drudge: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1433000/1433904.stm Yes, sir, I sure want my toilet to decide that I need more roughage. The page describes a toilet with automated stool and urine analysis, which communicates over the net to a doctor or even a grocery store. Not much of a stretch to envision a remotely upgradeable system that can be instructed to run drug screens or collect DNA. Sure glad this is just a prototype. -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Big Brother the toilet troll
Um, what would the price premium be for a toilet that operates as a stoolie? 10X? 20X? Don't hold your breath waiting for it to become a standard. Ever seen the commodes in Japan with all sorts of knobs and switches? Reminds me of a joke I heard about same long ago. Rather than take serious risks leave the bells and whistles alone and use the compatibility mode. Poop jokes on CP. Jeesh. Mike
Re: Who can tax a satellite?
On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:19:51PM -1000, Reese wrote: I nub you too. Do the letters F O mean anything to you? Now this is certainly a new high point in cypherpunklian discourse. -Declan
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Re: Big Brother the toilet troll
Funny, I just read a piece in a medical journal about these. They were talking about a approx. $1500 price tag, which is not too outrageous. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, what would the price premium be for a toilet that operates as a stoolie? 10X? 20X? Don't hold your breath waiting for it to become a standard. Ever seen the commodes in Japan with all sorts of knobs and switches? Reminds me of a joke I heard about same long ago. Rather than take serious risks leave the bells and whistles alone and use the compatibility mode. Poop jokes on CP. Jeesh. Mike -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Big Brother the toilet troll
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, what would the price premium be for a toilet that operates as a stoolie? 10X? 20X? Don't hold your breath waiting for it to become a standard. The hell of it is, this provides a useful function. The only thing that makes it invasive is that it communicates with people OTHER than the one whose poop it's analyzing. I'd actually pay a substantial amount of money to have a health monitor system in place -- to alert *me* to any problems or parasites in my gut, so that *I* could take appropriate action (or not, as I choose). Why the hell does this guy want it to talk to people other than the one with the health interest? Bear
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Re: Most of a nation on probation (GPS convicts)
Bear saith: Right. Between all the offender databases and surveillance for your (cough) protection and so on, anyone who's got a record winds up so completely frozen out of normal society that it becomes impossible for them to get by without continuing as a part of criminal society. It's the twenty-first century. Nobody cares if you go straight anymore Which brings this to mind again. This and the Where to go thread. So where and what are the disenfranchised to go and do? I'm a middle aged IT professional, recently downsized from a very good job. I also have a felony conviction for selling pot back in the 60's -- big deal, eh? Well it is now -- I've been turned down for three jobs because they did a background check. I no longer even bother to apply if they mention background or drug checks -- which rules out one hell of a lot of places these days and it's on the increase. I never had a background check before this for any job. What does that have to do with my ability to write code? I'm seriously considering taking up robbing banks -- what the hell, my health isn't too good, I have no insurance, can't get a job -- and fuck no, I won't work at Hardees. Why should I? What does my record have to do with my productivity -- my work record is excellent. I've also thought a lot about suicide, but figure if I'm going that far, I might as well give bank robbery a try -- I can always blow my brains out if I get caught. I had a lot of time to think about this, and I'm not finding many answers -- and like Bear and others have said, the future looks pretty bleak. Another thing that set me off on this rant was May's comments about black hoes etc. I guess I've come to understand quite well what it means to be black. Fuck it -- why not welfare if you can, why not sell drugs or rob? If the other option is working at a fast food place? Fuck that and fuck anybody who thinks you should.
Proliferation of Surveillance Devices Threatens Privacy
Proliferation of Surveillance Devices Threatens Privacy Joint Statement of House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-TX, And The American Civil Liberties Union FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, July 11, 2001 WASHINGTON -- Over the past several days, a troubling expansion in the way technology is being used in the surveillance of ordinary Americans has come to light. In response, we are today joining together to call on all state and local governments to stop using these dangerous technologies now before privacy in America is so diminished that it becomes nothing more than a fond memory. Majority Leader Armey will ask the General Accounting Office to study the extent to which the federal government is funding facial-recognition technologies. In addition, he will ask the relevant House Committees to hold hearings on law enforcement use of surveillance technology. The ACLU supports these requests. Tampa, Florida drew attention to the importance of these issues with its highly publicized use of facial recognition technology during this year's snooperbowl. The city recently took the next step by using the software to scan individuals in an entertainment district. Virginia Beach announced this week that it will seek state funding to install similar facial-recognition cameras in its oceanfront areas. In Colorado, the Department of Motor Vehicles is moving ahead with a plan approved by the Legislature to create a database containing computerized three-dimensional facial maps of all those applying for driver's licenses. There is an alarming potential for misuse of all of these systems. Used in conjunction with facial-recognition software, for example, the Colorado database could allow the public movements of every citizen in the state to be identified, tracked, recorded and stored. These surveillance systems are ineffective and will lead the police to stop people who have done nothing wrong. According to the Los Angeles Times, a recent study by the National Institute of Standards and Technology found that digital comparisons of posed photos of the same person taken 18 months apart triggered false rejection by computers 43 percent of the time. Police relying on this technology will be led too often to stop and question the innocent instead of the suspect. These cameras do not generate suspicion adequate to trigger a law enforcement stop. Instead, they may lead to high-tech racial profiling should surveillance cameras be placed in areas populated primarily by members of ethnic and racial minority groups. We are extremely troubled by this unprecedented expansion in high-tech surveillance in the United States. We believe that technology should not be used to create a virtual line up of Americans who are not suspected of having done anything wrong. The threats to privacy in America are all too real. We believe the privacy risk outweighs any benefits that these devices may offer. It's time to take notice of what has happened to privacy in America today. The ACLU of Florida has asked Tampa city officials for additional information about what its facial recognition program. For more information, see: http://www.aclu.org/news/2001/n070601a.html Copyright 2001, The American Civil Liberties Union ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **
Re: General Ashcroft make his move
[Note from Matthew Gaylor: Richard Stevens is author of the recent book Dial 911 and Die published by the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. http://www.jpfo.org ] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:00:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Matt -- we must protest when our side errs To: Matthew Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Colleagues, The July 2001 Issue of NRA's America's First Freedom magazine featured a cover picture of John Ashcroft and highlighted the story of Ashcroft's letter indicating that the Constitution protects the private ownership of firearms for lawful purposes. The magazine (at pp. 35-37) exults in the reversal of Justice Department policy on the Second Amendment. That's great. On page 37, the NRA reprints Ashcroft's letter -- as though it were *in full* -- but omits the footnote that exists in Ashcroft's actual letter. As you know, Ashcroft also said in that footnote in his letter that the Constitution does not prohibit Congress from enacting laws restricting firearms ownership for compelling state interests, such as prohibiting firearms ownership by convicted felons. The NRA omitted a key element of Ashcroft's position -- and then published the letter as though it were complete. That omission is a terrible distortion -- and seriously damages NRA's credibility with those of us who know the whole truth. What else might the NRA choose to omit, where the omission serves a PR purpose? Are their reports from the UN correct? Their reports about lobbying efforts and the positions taken by NRA-backed candidates? I wonder who at the NRA thought it was a good idea to distort the facts, and conceal the somewhat negative truth, just to advance the appearance of NRA success? That's the conduct we came to expect from HCI Co. ... now it has infected the NRA. Members like me should demand the NRA publish an accounting of this mistake, fire the person who made the mistake, apologize and repent from such conduct. --Richard Stevens (my personal views only) ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **
Re: Most of a nation on probation (GPS convicts)
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, A. Melon wrote: Which brings this to mind again. This and the Where to go thread. So where and what are the disenfranchised to go and do? [Long sorry tale deleted] Start your own company doing some sort of consulting/IT/technical support for small to medium sized businesses. One aspect I've found very succesful is to do 'on site' and not have an 'office' per se. Unless you live in BFE you should be able to bring in enough cash through that to keep the table and lights working. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: General Ashcroft make his move
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Matthew Gaylor wrote: As you know, Ashcroft also said in that footnote in his letter that the Constitution does not prohibit Congress from enacting laws restricting firearms ownership for compelling state interests, such as prohibiting firearms ownership by convicted felons. Where is that boundary condition in the amendment? Saying felons may not own firearms is certainly an infringment. Rights don't come from the state after all (see 1st two para's of the DoI). Amendment II A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: General Ashcroft make his move
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, how pure and simple. Well see... What is your position on the First Amendment and: o obscenity What is 'obscene'? o child pornography What is 'pornography'? As to the 'child' part of that, any interaction with a minor in any way without parental consent should be grounds for immediate hanging (just kiddin'). o generated non-child child pornography What two or more consenting adults do is between them and nobody else. Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Now a couple of questions for you... Where in the Constitution does it say the fed's are supposed to regulate pornography or sex? Where in the Constitution does it draw a distinction with regard to 'the people' between adults and minors? The 10'th Amendment clearly makes these issues STATE issues, not federal ones. Simply because a bunch of religious fascist/socialist wanna do it don't make it right. See first two para's of the DoI. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: The Pulp Theorem (Re: Digital Cash)
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Morlock Elloi wrote: b) The competition (government) will pulp the pulpable mint. Not if they can't find it. So, n-way blind e-cash will never happen. It may be a nice thing to bullshit about and to do PhD thesis and patents on and thus attract chicks, but it will never happen. As long as we use the current OS and network models - yes. With other inherently distributed and anonymous models - maybe. http://plan9.bell-labs.com -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: General Ashcroft make his move
Jimminy Critic wrote: # #Where is that boundary condition in the amendment? Saying felons #may not own firearms is certainly an infringment. Rights don't #come from the state after all (see 1st two para's of the DoI). # #Amendment II # #A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of #a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, #shall not be infringed. Gee, how pure and simple. What is your position on the First Amendment and: o obscenity o child pornography o generated non-child child pornography
Re: General Ashcroft make his move
Jimminy Critic wrote: # #Now a couple of questions for you... Yabut you gave cryptic replies, like answering a question with a question. #Where in the Constitution does it say the fed's are supposed #to regulate pornography or sex? Interstate commerce? #Where in the Constitution does it draw a distinction with regard #to 'the people' between adults and minors? You're right! The Constitution only applies to white males! #The 10'th Amendment clearly makes these issues STATE issues, #not federal ones. So, the SCOTUS has no jurisdiction to claim jurisdiction? #Simply because a bunch of religious fascist/socialist wanna do #it don't make it right. SCOTUS or Congress?
CNN.com - Violence flares again in N.Ireland - July 12, 2001
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The Pulp Theorem (Re: Digital Cash)
Probably people would be willing to accept other issuers currencies even if they don't know the issuer so long as they had the reputation rating for the currency / issuer. But anonymous reptuations alone aren't any use as a rational issuer would refuse to redeem if the action didn't adversely affect his reputation -- you need to be assured that the rating of the anonymous issuer will be downrated if they refuse to redeem. So then perhaps you could proceed by having unlinkably anonymous credentials for reputation with a trap-door for the rating party so that the rating party can identify the pseudonym behind the unlinkable credential and downrate it. You also want the unlinkable rating credentials to need to be refreshed by the rating credential issuer in order to re-show. Brands' This just shifting the issue without actually solving it - instead of mint visibility now we have credential issuer visibility. There goes credential issuer. The basic point here is that: a) most public (including me and the few that I talked with) will not trust money that is pure math, without actual *people* (who can be pulped if something goes wrong) behind it. Pulpability (in this special meaning) is a key ingredient in trust - you trust someone that agrees to be hurt if she misuses the trust. Fuck the math, new advances happen and most do not understand it any way. b) The competition (government) will pulp the pulpable mint. So, n-way blind e-cash will never happen. It may be a nice thing to bullshit about and to do PhD thesis and patents on and thus attract chicks, but it will never happen. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: General Ashcroft make his move
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jimminy Critic wrote: # #Now a couple of questions for you... Yabut you gave cryptic replies, like answering a question with a question. Some answers are question, even if one doesn't recognize, like, or want to accept it. #Where in the Constitution does it say the fed's are supposed #to regulate pornography or sex? Interstate commerce? It has to cross a state boundary. Prove that ALL pornography crosses state boundaries. Prove that one mans 'pornography' is the same as every other mans 'pornography', otherwise you're breaking the 1st by supporting specific 'religions'. #Where in the Constitution does it draw a distinction with regard #to 'the people' between adults and minors? You're right! The Constitution only applies to white males! You're an ass. #The 10'th Amendment clearly makes these issues STATE issues, #not federal ones. So, the SCOTUS has no jurisdiction to claim jurisdiction? Where in the Constitution does it give the SCOTUS the job of claiming ANY jurisdiction outside of the 10th? #Simply because a bunch of religious fascist/socialist wanna do #it don't make it right. SCOTUS or Congress? ANY... -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: The Pulp Theorem (Re: Digital Cash)
On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 03:41:57PM -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote: Probably people would be willing to accept other issuers currencies even if they don't know the issuer so long as they had the reputation rating for the currency / issuer. But anonymous reptuations alone aren't any use as a rational issuer would refuse to redeem if the action didn't adversely affect his reputation -- you need to be assured that the rating of the anonymous issuer will be downrated if they refuse to redeem. So then perhaps you could proceed by having unlinkably anonymous credentials for reputation with a trap-door for the rating party so that the rating party can identify the pseudonym behind the unlinkable credential and downrate it. You also want the unlinkable rating credentials to need to be refreshed by the rating credential issuer in order to re-show. Brands' This just shifting the issue without actually solving it - instead of mint visibility now we have credential issuer visibility. There goes credential issuer. So I have two types of issuer. The currency issuer (let's call them mints to avoid confusion). Ray has every one a mint (potentially, some users may choose to use other peoples mints to avoid having to manage the reputation of their own). Floating exchange rates based on reptuation of the mint. Then we have an issuer of one use (and hence unlinkable) credentials representing the reputation of the mint. So these are reputation credential issuers. My thought was that there would similarly be reputation credential issuers -- (potentially) everyone a reputation credential issuer. Also Stubblebine et al have a paper about abuse control with unlinkable anonymous credentials. They way they do this is to have one unlinkable credential which you can show only once. Then you can trade it for a fresh unlinkable credential if there have been no complaints against the current credential. Because the fresh credential is freshly blinded it's not linkable. And yet you retain some scope for abuse control, if the proof of misconduct arrives before you've handed over the new credential. (The Stubblebine paper doesn't say much more than that. Do a web search if you want the paper. It was in the context of unlinkable subscriptions to services, where you want to renew, but the service operator wants the ability to cancel abusers of their AUP's subscriptions.) Seems like this might be usable here. The basic point here is that: a) most public (including me and the few that I talked with) will not trust money that is pure math, without actual *people* (who can be pulped if something goes wrong) behind it. Pulpability (in this special meaning) is a key ingredient in trust - you trust someone that agrees to be hurt if she misuses the trust. Fuck the math, new advances happen and most do not understand it any way. This seems like a technology trust issue. It seems just to do with branding, advertising and common acceptance. A mag-swipe card could fail, a bank could empty your acount, their security could fail and someone else empty your account via ATM. People trust the systems because their friends trust them and seem to use them without incident and they want to use the system because of convenience or some other useful attribute. b) The competition (government) will pulp the pulpable mint. So, n-way blind e-cash will never happen. It may be a nice thing to bullshit about and to do PhD thesis and patents on and thus attract chicks, but it will never happen. Ray's scheme sounds interesting because it's a computer mediated Letts scheme. Letts schemes seem to exist with manual book-keeping. Also trust levels needed to trust in something as a value store are much higher than purely as a immediately cleared payment mechanism. With the reputation system you could even have insurance. Adam
Re: The Pulp Theorem (Re: Digital Cash)
On 12 Jul 2001, at 15:41, Morlock Elloi wrote: The basic point here is that: a) most public (including me and the few that I talked with) will not trust money that is pure math, without actual *people* (who can be pulped if something goes wrong) behind it. You say that now, but what if the day comes when digital currency schemes have been in successful operation for years, and there are goods or services you desire that can be had far cheaper (or only) if you use digital currency? YOU won't dive in with the stuff, but assuming it can be made to work at all, there may be enough brave/foolhardy people to bootstrap the system to the point where it has been demonstrated safe. BTW, the usual term for what you call pupability is accountability. Usually one speaks of people being held accountable rather than pulped. I'm not criticizing your choice of terminology, but I think communication is facilitated if people stick tostandard terminology rather than making up their own. Also, bank officers caught defrauding their customers in the real world are more likely to be sent to minimum security prison rather than bludgeoned to death. b) The competition (government) will pulp the pulpable mint. Possibly. Or there's another possibility, that maybe the government officials who have pulping authority will become clients of digital cash systems themselves. So, n-way blind e-cash will never happen. It may be a nice thing to bullshit about and to do PhD thesis and patents on and thus attract chicks, but it will never happen. Seldom say never. BTW, a PhD helps you get chicks? Where? George __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
RE: Most of a nation on probation? (GPS convicts)
Whoops. :)
Re: Re: General Ashcroft make his move
I whole heartedly agree. In the article it berated Violence Policy center for excluding the quotes by the founding fathers, a mistake paltry in comparison to that statement alpha - Original Message - From: Matthew Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: CDR: Re: General Ashcroft make his move [Note from Matthew Gaylor: Richard Stevens is author of the recent book Dial 911 and Die published by the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. http://www.jpfo.org ] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:00:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Matt -- we must protest when our side errs To: Matthew Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Colleagues, The July 2001 Issue of NRA's America's First Freedom magazine featured a cover picture of John Ashcroft and highlighted the story of Ashcroft's letter indicating that the Constitution protects the private ownership of firearms for lawful purposes. The magazine (at pp. 35-37) exults in the reversal of Justice Department policy on the Second Amendment. That's great. On page 37, the NRA reprints Ashcroft's letter -- as though it were *in full* -- but omits the footnote that exists in Ashcroft's actual letter. As you know, Ashcroft also said in that footnote in his letter that the Constitution does not prohibit Congress from enacting laws restricting firearms ownership for compelling state interests, such as prohibiting firearms ownership by convicted felons. The NRA omitted a key element of Ashcroft's position -- and then published the letter as though it were complete. That omission is a terrible distortion -- and seriously damages NRA's credibility with those of us who know the whole truth. What else might the NRA choose to omit, where the omission serves a PR purpose? Are their reports from the UN correct? Their reports about lobbying efforts and the positions taken by NRA-backed candidates? I wonder who at the NRA thought it was a good idea to distort the facts, and conceal the somewhat negative truth, just to advance the appearance of NRA success? That's the conduct we came to expect from HCI Co. ... now it has infected the NRA. Members like me should demand the NRA publish an accounting of this mistake, fire the person who made the mistake, apologize and repent from such conduct. --Richard Stevens (my personal views only) ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **
Re: The Pulp Theorem (Re: Digital Cash)
You say that now, but what if the day comes when digital currency schemes have been in successful operation for years, and there are goods or services you desire that can be had far cheaper (or only) if you use digital currency? Hmmm ... this sounds like a dot-com business plan :-)) if people stick tostandard terminology rather than making up their own. Also, bank officers caught defrauding their customers in the real world are more likely to be sent to minimum security prison rather than bludgeoned to death. I am talking about ideal world. Pulpability is exactly what I meant to say, it deals away with euphemisms. Seldom say never. BTW, a PhD helps you get chicks? Where? Berkeley. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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Re: Most of a nation on probation (GPS convicts)
At 11:30 AM 7/12/01 -0700, A. Melon wrote: Bear saith: It's the twenty-first century. Nobody cares if you go straight anymore Which brings this to mind again. This and the Where to go thread. So where and what are the disenfranchised to go and do? I'm a middle aged IT professional, recently downsized from a very good job. I also have a felony conviction for selling pot back in the 60's -- big deal, eh? Well it is now -- I've been turned down for three jobs because they did a background check. Please list the companies. What state are you in? In some states the evil weed is more evil than others. If you were squeaky clean since, and your friends were too, you could work for the NSA, so its funny that you should run into that much trouble. Have you looked into having this removed from your record? Sometimes judges will do that. For Jah's sake, tossing a dog into traffic only gets you probation...
Re: General Ashcroft makes his move
Those 3 things you mentioned violate the First on at least two counts, free speech and press, and also the Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof part --- the obscenity and kid porn stuff is pure Judeo-Christian bigotry. Whose to say other religions wouldn't teach the opposite? Like the worship of Ishtar (Easter) for instance, whose scriptures have Her saying My father taught me the kissing of the phallus. Or read Coming of Age in Somoa by Margret Mead. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jimminy Critic wrote: # #Where is that boundary condition in the amendment? Saying felons #may not own firearms is certainly an infringment. Rights don't #come from the state after all (see 1st two para's of the DoI). # #Amendment II # #A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of #a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, #shall not be infringed. Gee, how pure and simple. What is your position on the First Amendment and: o obscenity o child pornography o generated non-child child pornography
RE: Most of a nation on probation? (GPS convicts)
At 07:34 PM 7/12/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: Hey Lyn, I know, I know actually, I'm a baby privacy, surveillance law/policy and investigative law lawyer. My kid is 21 months old. Would you still take him on as a baby privacy client? He's getting concerned about the number of baby pictures I've put up on the web, and was talking about getting a lawyer. He'd probably have to pursue a judgement, not just a restraining order, against me in order to pay you. Are you licenced in Calif? :-)
Re: General Ashcroft make his move
At 06:09 PM 7/12/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your position on the First Amendment and: o obscenity o child pornography o generated non-child child pornography And synthetic images depicting *cloned* children...
Re: General Ashcroft makes his move
Another observation about our 'implimentation' of the Constitution... Since we live in a democracy based on 'consent' (1st 2 para's DoI) and the concept of 'life, liberty, pursuit of happiness' coupled with 'shall not interfere with others expression' as axiomatic concepts of American democracy it isn't too hard to understand that we don't live there. What we have is a system that is focused on ways around the Constitution based on 'good of society' concepts. The base problem with them is the a priori assumption that the Constitution doesn't work and needs to be worked around in the first place. People don't believe that a 'free market' social system like American Democracy doesn't work. This is not a new character however, as Jefferson said; I am not one of those who fear the people. Anyone who talks of 'idiots', 'sheep', 'naive', 'just don't understand', 'minimal economic impact', etc. are typical examples of those who fundamentaly don't believe in a 'free market' concept (and not paradoxically who'll sell your rights for profit - to reword Jefferson a tad). American democracy predicates axiomatically that, yes there are some really stupid people out there but whatever their performance level it's going to be better than you making decisions for them. What we have today is a rampant rush to 'security' not through free market social mechanisms but through a 'control economy' sort of society. You'd have thought all these (supposedly) bright people could look at the CCCP, China, Cuba, etc. examples and put 2 and 2 together. Alas, Jefferson was right, there are no angels...just a bunch of predatory assholes. (and people wonder why othe people who feel abused riot in the streets, I wonder how their attitude would change when the mop handle was up their butthole?) 'the people' doesn't apply to the 'individual' indeed. What does that second para of the DoI say about a citizens duty? And on the topic of 'limiting felons rights', where in the Constitution does it give the federal government any regulatory action over rights? It gives them a bunch of jobs and directs them to comply with the laws and treaties made UNDER the Constitution (which has this nifty 9'th Amendment). Where in the Constitution is the word 'felon' (or a synonym thereof) even used? (if you can't find it, find the 10'th and ponder that baby for a moment) On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, A. Melon wrote: Those 3 things you mentioned violate the First on at least two counts, free speech and press, and also the Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof part --- the obscenity and kid porn stuff is pure Judeo-Christian bigotry. Whose to say other religions wouldn't teach the opposite? Like the worship of Ishtar (Easter) for instance, whose scriptures have Her saying My father taught me the kissing of the phallus. Or read Coming of Age in Somoa by Margret Mead. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jimminy Critic wrote: # #Where is that boundary condition in the amendment? Saying felons #may not own firearms is certainly an infringment. Rights don't #come from the state after all (see 1st two para's of the DoI). # #Amendment II # #A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of #a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, #shall not be infringed. Gee, how pure and simple. What is your position on the First Amendment and: o obscenity o child pornography o generated non-child child pornography -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
RE: Most of a nation on probation? (GPS convicts)
*laughter* You're a 'baby lawyer' for about 10-15 years. It's a permanent state of being if you are the offspring of a lawyer. :) ~Aimee David wrote: My kid is 21 months old. Would you still take him on as a baby privacy client? He's getting concerned about the number of baby pictures I've put up on the web, and was talking about getting a lawyer. He'd probably have to pursue a judgement, not just a restraining order, against me in order to pay you. Are you licenced in Calif? :-)
Re: Most of a nation on probation (GPS convicts)
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Alfred Qeada wrote: Please list the companies. What state are you in? In some states the evil weed is more evil than others. Thank you. We will now begin contacting these companys and asking whom they have turned down for due to drug related convictions. We hope to have you under surveilance within a week. This is PROTECTIVE surviellance, mind you. We just don't want you to make any mistakes that you may regret later. Big Bro
Re: General Ashcroft make his move
Matt, Thanks for posting this. I'm not sure why this should be a surprise. Groups that care about currying favor with Congress and the administration have a strong incentive to distort the truth to constitutents in hopes of persuading them that awful compromises are not. To use examples from the Net, the Center for Democracy and Technology circa 1995-1996 backed a bill that would criminalize harmful to minors material online. In part this was due to a desire to remain influential on Capitol Hill rather than taking a more extreme position. (http://www.epic.org/cda/hyde_letter.html) EFF cut a (bad) deal on CALEA and backed a flawed bill around the same time (http://cyberwerks.com/cyberwire/cwd/cwd.94.09.14.html). This is not to say those groups would do the same thing now, of course. The other approach is to hew to principle, with the understanding that you'll be less effective as a lobbyist. Deal-cutting is the currency of Washington politics, and if you don't do it you don't have much to spend. The ACLU's lobbyists take this approach. (So do groups like CEI, EPIC, and Cato, though they don't really lobby. I've seen Gun Owners of America take the same no-compromise stand.) The NRA doesn't see things the same way, and their approach does make them more influential. There may be other factors as well, but it should be no surprise that Fortune magazine's poll of Hill staffers reports that staffers from both major parties rank the NRA among the top five or so most influential groups. The no compromise groups don't make the list. Also, this issue may be part of a pretty complicated political analysis. For instance, the NRA may want the help of the Bush administration (a veto over a bad campaign finance bill) in one area so will laud them here even when the praise is undeserved. NRA lobbyists may be betting that a paean to Ashcroft now will let them bank political capital that can be spent against a gun bill later. Strategically, if the NRA takes the extreme step of later denouncing Ashcroft, this current pro-Ashcroft campaign will make the media take their later statements more seriously. Then again, it could be an honest mistake on the part of the NRA in leaving out that key footnote. Has anyone asked them? -Declan www.mccullagh.org On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 03:01:03PM -0400, Matthew Gaylor wrote: [Note from Matthew Gaylor: Richard Stevens is author of the recent book Dial 911 and Die published by the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. http://www.jpfo.org ] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:00:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Matt -- we must protest when our side errs To: Matthew Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Colleagues, The July 2001 Issue of NRA's America's First Freedom magazine featured a cover picture of John Ashcroft and highlighted the story of Ashcroft's letter indicating that the Constitution protects the private ownership of firearms for lawful purposes. The magazine (at pp. 35-37) exults in the reversal of Justice Department policy on the Second Amendment. That's great. On page 37, the NRA reprints Ashcroft's letter -- as though it were *in full* -- but omits the footnote that exists in Ashcroft's actual letter. As you know, Ashcroft also said in that footnote in his letter that the Constitution does not prohibit Congress from enacting laws restricting firearms ownership for compelling state interests, such as prohibiting firearms ownership by convicted felons. The NRA omitted a key element of Ashcroft's position -- and then published the letter as though it were complete. That omission is a terrible distortion -- and seriously damages NRA's credibility with those of us who know the whole truth. What else might the NRA choose to omit, where the omission serves a PR purpose? Are their reports from the UN correct? Their reports about lobbying efforts and the positions taken by NRA-backed candidates? I wonder who at the NRA thought it was a good idea to distort the facts, and conceal the somewhat negative truth, just to advance the appearance of NRA success? That's the conduct we came to expect from HCI Co. ... now it has infected the NRA. Members like me should demand the NRA publish an accounting of this mistake, fire the person who made the mistake, apologize and repent from such conduct. --Richard Stevens (my personal views only) ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **
