Focus On What's Important in the Sklyarov Case
Focus On What's Important in the Sklyarov Case If you want to get Sklyarov out of jail, you need to focus on how the FBI has handled the case and not on the merits of the DMCA or what Sklyarov allegedly did. http://securitygeeks.shmoo.com/article.php?story=20010719141720141
RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
--- Duncan Frissell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > defending according to your prior post. I thought they didn't really > believe in property? You are a ... "journalist" ??? Where, pray tell, did you divine that G8 protesters "don't believe in property" ? Or did you feel in your little brain that it's just the right thing to say ? > In any case, culture is something that exists in the minds of people and in > the choices those people make every day. One can only claim to "own" a This is nonsense. *All concepts* exist in minds of people, you don't mine for ethics or culture or modular algebra. > As for the planet, a bit big to be owned at this point though people will > be able to own them later when we're richer and have access to more of > them. Though why one would want to own a gravity well is beyond me. This is so deep. Did you ever had anything but wrong generalisations to say ? __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Re: Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime
At 10:18 PM -0400 7/20/01, Matthew Gaylor wrote: >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:04:21 -0400 (EDT) >From: Seth Finkelstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime > > Remember what I told you: "If you think Clinton was dismal, >you're going to find out what dismal *is*, during a Bush administration." > >[And Matt's reply is: They're both dismal.] > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/20010720/pl/ashcroft_cybercrime_1.html > > Friday July 20 5:24 PM ET > >Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime > > By BRIAN BERGSTEIN, Associated Press Writer > > MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (AP) - Calling computer security one of the > nation's top problems, Attorney General John Ashcroft said Friday that > the government is forming nine special units to prosecute hacking and > copyright violations. > > Ashcroft said the new specialists will bring to 48 the number of > prosecutors working on cybercrime in U.S. attorneys' offices. Gee, imagine that, the Attorney General wanting to enforce crimes. What *is* this world coming to? We still live in a country that has laws, and we *should* expect the LEAs to enforce all laws that are on the books. If you have a problem with the laws, it's not the LEAs fault, it's the legislature and the Executive branch.
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Re: Rallies on Monday
Reese, I know there are things about the U.S govt that you can't or aren't willing to understand. And if you really have such a small Brain that you can't see Condit is part of the murder then I really have nothing more to say to you.. once day you will learn more about the Media their filters, politics and Money... untill then continue to flame people for your ignorance. I won't respond to any more of you're flames.. I know the truth and if you really belelive that "me" calling into the D.C police or anyone for that matter is really going to mean anything you might want to reevaluate your understanding of how the "System" works... it is't as it seems not even close.. -- LinSys http://www.visi0n.net Unix / Security Online Info - When you die and your life flashes before your eyes does that include the part where your life flashes before your eyes? - On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Reese wrote: > At 02:23 PM 7/20/01, dumbGeEk wrote: > > >into blowing open the Gary Condit fuck up... ) > > > >I mean this ass hole fucked some Intern and then killed her... > > Your proof that he killed her? You've shared it with the D.C. police > I take it? Condit is in custody now? Or should we downgrade this > fantastically strong assertion to just your wild assed guess, and send > the nice young men in clean white coats after you, to check you out? > > >maybe I'm a > >little crazy here (which I have been told oftern that I am) but that seems > >a hell of a lot more important then some fucking Commie. > > Anyone who cannot distinguish between Russian citizens who were victims > under communism and Communists deserves to be treated like a Communist. > You need more than two clue pills. > > >Just my 2 cents (after about 12 beers...) > > A little crazy? No. A lot drunk. Take two aspirin with the handful of > clue pills, you'll need them. > > Oh, this is the last time I'm going to leave your To: and Cc: includes > intact. If you don't have the style, grace or courtesy to send separate > emails to different lists, you deserve the hangover you should wake up > with and 10,000 more all at once too. Fuckhead. > > Reese >
CNN.com - G8 leaders in no-win situation - July 20, 2001
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Re: Rallies on Monday
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, GeEk wrote: > Just wondering (because maybe you don't live in the US). But why are you > all gonna protest because some Russian got arrested for breaking the law?? An unconstitutional law. A law which limits freedom in a country which is ultimately governed by "Congress shall make no law..." If you can't catch that clue, there is no hope. > Don't you have anything better to do with you're time??? It isn't 'my time' in the above situation, I've gotta go ask my master before I can answer your question. It is however a nicely gilded cage. > (this isn't a flame but if that's how you want to take it be my guest, > just wondering why we are soo concerned about some russian.. the > principle?? If you want to protest something why not put you're effort > into blowing open the Gary Condit fuck up... ) No accounting for taste. > I mean this ass hole fucked some Intern and then killed her... maybe I'm a > little crazy here (which I have been told oftern that I am) but that seems > a hell of a lot more important then some fucking Commie. If you got proof, run with it...nobody else seems to have any proof. > Just my 2 cents (after about 12 beers...) ;) -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Slashdot | Dimitry's company sold password crackers to the FBI
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Re: Rallies on Monday
Just wondering (because maybe you don't live in the US). But why are you all gonna protest because some Russian got arrested for breaking the law?? Don't you have anything better to do with you're time??? (this isn't a flame but if that's how you want to take it be my guest, just wondering why we are soo concerned about some russian.. the principle?? If you want to protest something why not put you're effort into blowing open the Gary Condit fuck up... ) I mean this ass hole fucked some Intern and then killed her... maybe I'm a little crazy here (which I have been told oftern that I am) but that seems a hell of a lot more important then some fucking Commie. Just my 2 cents (after about 12 beers...) -- LinSys http://www.visi0n.net Unix / Security Online Info - When you die and your life flashes before your eyes does that include the part where your life flashes before your eyes? - On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Len Sassaman wrote: > > http://www.boycottadobe.com/pages/rallies.html > > is now the home for the rally announcements. If you're planning on > attending one, please visit this page for info. If you're holding one, > please let us know so we can add it to the page. > > Thanks! > > -- > > Len Sassaman > > Security Architect| > Technology Consultant | "Let be be finale of seem." > | > http://sion.quickie.net | --Wallace Stevens > > > > > > > > > >
Chandra Levy's Hard Disk
The DC police have apparently released the *generic* URLs of where she visited during a three hour tour of cyberspace. A three hour tour. ( couldn't help myself ;-) They apparently said "Lycos.com" etc, without releasing the search criteria (the rest of the URL). What gives? How is the base name of a search engine going to be of use to anyone? This could be called, "Clue-less."
Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:04:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Seth Finkelstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime Remember what I told you: "If you think Clinton was dismal, you're going to find out what dismal *is*, during a Bush administration." [And Matt's reply is: They're both dismal.] http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/20010720/pl/ashcroft_cybercrime_1.html Friday July 20 5:24 PM ET Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime By BRIAN BERGSTEIN, Associated Press Writer MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (AP) - Calling computer security one of the nation's top problems, Attorney General John Ashcroft said Friday that the government is forming nine special units to prosecute hacking and copyright violations. Ashcroft said the new specialists will bring to 48 the number of prosecutors working on cybercrime in U.S. attorneys' offices. ``There are many people of poor and evil motivations who are seeking to disrupt business and government and exploit any vulnerabilities in the digital universe,'' Ashcroft said after meeting with Silicon Valley executives and venture capitalists. When computer crimes go unpunished, he said, ``It impairs the ability of the United States of America to remain in its position of priority in leading the world in the digital age.'' The new prosecutors will work in cities with relatively high levels of cybercrime: Los Angeles, San Diego, Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, Seattle, New York, Brooklyn, N.Y., and Alexandria, Va. The units will be modeled on the nation's first Computer Hacking and Intellectual Property squad, which began working out of the U.S. Attorney's office in San Francisco several years ago. That unit was created by U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller, whom President Bush has nominated for FBI director. Mueller attended Friday's news conference at the headquarters of VeriSign Inc., but did not comment. Ashcroft cited a study by PriceWaterhouseCoopers LLC that said businesses spent $300 billion fighting hackers and computer viruses last year. He said the government must be careful to help secure the Internet without hindering its development. ``There is perhaps nothing quite as distressing as the unintended consequences of well-intentioned government,'' Ashcroft said. While cybercrime is an expensive problem for the private sector, companies are often reluctant to report computer attacks to law enforcement authorities out of fear of negative publicity and concern that prosecutors don't have the technical savvy to solve the cases. Prosecutors in the nine units will try to forge relationships within the technology community, provide training for state and local prosecutors and encourage companies to come forward when they are hit by hackers, Justice Department officials said. Ashcroft would not comment on the case of Dmitry Sklyarov, a 26-year-old Russian arrested this week in Las Vegas and charged with writing a program that unlocked encrypted software designed by Adobe Systems Inc. (NasdaqNM:ADBE - news) to protect electronic books. The FBI contends that is a violation of the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Critics of the case say Sklyarov works for a legitimate company in Moscow that merely has a business dispute with Adobe. ``Taxpayer dollars are basically being used to do Adobe's dirty work,'' said Richard Smith, chief technology officer for the Privacy Foundation at the University of Denver. ``Frankly, I think they should be spending their time fixing the security problems he pointed out.'' - On the Net: Justice Department: http://www.usdoj.gov Copyright © 2001 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. __ Distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. --- ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **
Geek Profiling Upheld by Appeals Court
The 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals has just upheld the right of schools to suspend or expel any student who speaks or writes about fictional violence, dresses differently, has a "disturbing" background, or "fits the profile" of a "homicidal student." The 9th circuit is supposed to be the liberal one, right? - SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A Washington state school district acted appropriately when it suspended a student for submitting a poem about a fictitious campus mass murder, a federal appeals court ruled Friday. The decision from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned a lower court's ruling that the high school was wrong to suspend James LaVine, a 16-year-old junior, for 17 school days in 1998. LaVine submitted his poem, ''Last Words,'' to be critiqued by his English instructor at his school about 100 miles north of Seattle. Among the violent imagery was the phrase, ''I drew my gun and . . . Bang, Bang, Bang-Bang. When it was all over, 28 were, dead.'' In ordering the suspension, the school district had said LaVine had a ''disturbing'' background, dressed differently and ''fit the profile'' of a homicidal student. The student's attorney, Breean Beggs, said the court's decision could chill students' First Amendment right to free speech and give educators leverage to punish students for their ideas. ''I was hoping to have it made clear that students cannot be punished for the content of their work,'' Beggs said. The appeals panel said while the poem viewed by itself is protected speech, the school district had a right to suspend LaVine on fears he may have carried out what he had written. ''Parents and the public expect schools to protect their children and that is getting more and more difficult in modern times,'' said Tyna Ek, the lawyer for school district. ''This says that schools can act when there are danger signals.'' The circuit panel noted that, in hindsight, it may not have been necessary to expel the student -- given that it was later determined he had no violent intentions. Still, the court said, schools need to react to the potential for such violence. LaVine, who is now 19 and graduated last year, said he didn't know why he wrote the poem. ''When I write, I just get a feeling. Whatever comes out, comes out,'' LaVine said. ''There's not really any reason behind why I wrote it.'' -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
Inferno: Fw: [free-sklyarov] bay area sign-making party on Sunday (fwd)
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Subject: [free-sklyarov] bay area sign-making party on Sunday
> Some Berkeley people will be gathering on Sunday at about 4pm to make
> signs, and "miscellaneous props", for the Monday protest in San Jose.
> Anyone in the area is welcome to join us. The location is in the Wozniak
> Lounge of Soda Hall on the UC Berkeley Campus.
>
> Bring your own materials, tools, and cool ideas (and certainly feel free
> to bring extra stuff). We plan on being there until about 8pm.
>
> Directions to Soda Hall can be found at
> http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Campus/Directions/#soda. It's a big ugly
> greenish building at the intersection of Hearst and Le Roy. You'll need to
> approach the building from the Le Roy Ave side, and enter from the back
> (from the patio above the volleyball court).
>
> Please drop me an email if you're planning on attending, just so I know
> how many people to expect.
>
> This event is officially under the aegis of the Berkeley CSUA (Computer
> Science Undergraduate Association).
>
> --
> Alex Fabrikant
> alexf at {csua,hkn}.berkeley.edu
>
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The Story of the "8" in Jennifer 8. Lee
[Note from Matthew Gaylor: Several people asked me why New York Times reporter Jennifer 8. Lee had an "8" as her middle initial when I sent her story on Seth Finkelstein at: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/19/technology/circuits/19HACK.html. I didn't know so I asked Seth and here is the answer.] Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:43:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Seth Finkelstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Story of the "8" in Jennifer 8. Lee http://www.girlhacker.com/2001_01_01_archive.html#1991206 Has the NY Times developed a quirky sense of humor? Or is the author of this article really named Jennifer 8. Lee? The article is about the demand for phone numbers with lucky digits in China. A man paid $2,500 for 8889988 at a charity auction. Cell phone stores advertise their best numbers. Discounted numbers (ending with unlucky 4s) are sold below cost. But there are customers who refuse to pay more for lucky numbers. At any rate, Jennifer 8. Lee is looking for prosperity in her byline, and it seems The Old Grey Lady is happy to play along. It's not so grey anymore anyway with the color photos that still take me by surprise. (Update: Turns out Jennifer just has very cool parents! They wanted to give her a unique name, Jennifer Lee being very popular. So 8. it was. I had done a search in the NY Times archives for "Jennifer Lee" when I wrote the post to see if she usually used the 8, but the search engine was too smart and didn't return any "Jennifer 8. Lee"s, just "Jennifer Lee" in a few places. But I should have searched for "Jennifer 8. Lee" to begin with. Actually I should have remembered I've read plenty of her 8. bylined articles already. Thanks for the info, Seth Gordon!) a http://members.aol.com/ogit1/eight.html NATE PARSONS, ANNAPOLIS, MD Some people have ask what is the deal with the Washinton Post's Metro reporter Jennifer 8 Lee. Well here it is... Jennifer's parents are from China, where there about 200 million people have the last name "Lee." To impart a sense of individuality they gave her the middle name "8," which has special meaning to the Chinese. It means luck, good fortune, security and strength. ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **
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Rallies on Monday
http://www.boycottadobe.com/pages/rallies.html is now the home for the rally announcements. If you're planning on attending one, please visit this page for info. If you're holding one, please let us know so we can add it to the page. Thanks! -- Len Sassaman Security Architect| Technology Consultant | "Let be be finale of seem." | http://sion.quickie.net | --Wallace Stevens
RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Duncan Frissell wrote: > At 04:56 PM 7/20/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > >Just as much as these protesters object to having their cultures and > >planet raped and pillaged for the God $ Fascist good (and not their own). > > Presumably "their cultures" and "their planet" are the "property" they are > defending according to your prior post. I thought they didn't really > believe in property? Yes, property they have an interest in. An interest that is not measurable in economic metrics. Who didn't believe in property? Which group didn't believe in property. As a journalist who is supposedly well versed in this area it's surprising that you would try to attempt to show the many groups involved as having a single agenda or theme, when you know that isn't so. Some don't believe in a world government. Some don't believe in trans-national economics becoming the primary force in government. Some object to a combining of the two. Some object to the crass commercialism that has ravaged Afria with AIDS. Some object to the belief that pledging a $1B to 'fight AIDS' isn't sufficient when what is needed and what is required (though they don't want to do it) is to 'end AIDS', without turning the people into chatels of the state in some eco-socialist wet dream. No, there are many views and you're trying to lump them all into one category is nothing more than evidence to the strength (really complete lack thereof) of your case. > In any case, culture is something that exists in the minds of people and in > the choices those people make every day. Provided they're given the opportunity to even make that choice. This is another of the bitches. > One can only claim to "own" a culture if one claims to own the minds and > choices of others. One does not claim to own a culture (demonstrating your lack thereof), one IS a culture. To have a culture destroyed, especially for nothing more than profit, is rape. > A bit totalitarian and impossible for commie thugs to do these days since > even governments with nukes are having trouble controlling the minds and > choices of others. It's not just 'commie', again your single mindset reveals your shallow understanding. The lack of 'control' is exactly why they're so upset. Why they're so worried. It's exactly why they don't want it to get larger. It's why they don't want people to know what's going on. These are the same people, who when they want to search your home, who ask "what have you got to hide?" What have they got to hide? > As for the planet, a bit big to be owned at this point though people will > be able to own them later when we're richer and have access to more of > them. Though why one would want to own a gravity well is beyond me. You have a shallow sense of ownership if you believe it must be 1-to-1. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Rallies on Monday
Note: Adobe- owing to the kidnapping of its big wig some time ago- is very paranoid. Please be aware and be cautious as they may be prone to overreact to taunting. (Do not taunt happy-fun-acrobat). - Original Message - From: "Len Sassaman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 6:39 PM Subject: Rallies on Monday > http://www.boycottadobe.com/pages/rallies.html > > is now the home for the rally announcements. If you're planning on > attending one, please visit this page for info. If you're holding one, > please let us know so we can add it to the page. > > Thanks! > > -- > > Len Sassaman > > Security Architect| > Technology Consultant | "Let be be finale of seem." > | > http://sion.quickie.net | --Wallace Stevens >
Rallies on Monday
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RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
At 04:56 PM 7/20/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >Just as much as these protesters object to having their cultures and >planet raped and pillaged for the God $ Fascist good (and not their own). Presumably "their cultures" and "their planet" are the "property" they are defending according to your prior post. I thought they didn't really believe in property? In any case, culture is something that exists in the minds of people and in the choices those people make every day. One can only claim to "own" a culture if one claims to own the minds and choices of others. A bit totalitarian and impossible for commie thugs to do these days since even governments with nukes are having trouble controlling the minds and choices of others. As for the planet, a bit big to be owned at this point though people will be able to own them later when we're richer and have access to more of them. Though why one would want to own a gravity well is beyond me. DCF --- Statism, gravity, and death -- Mankind's three greatest enemies.
RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists (fwd)
I assume from the tone that Msr. Sandfort meant to send it to the list... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:53:52 -0700 From: Sandy Sandfort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jim Choate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists Inchoate sputtered: > ...The real reason they're not > sensitive to these particular > 'anarchist' is that they aren't > motivated by the alure of money. > They aspire to a higher calling > than crass commercialism or > puritanical ego fulfillment... Oh boy! If Jim REALLY believes this crap (where does he get this stuff?), I have some great seaside property in Florida, I think he should invest in. ;-D "Save the whales." (We'll eat them later.) S a n d y
RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
At 04:56 PM 7/20/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >Just as much as these protesters object to having their cultures and >planet raped and pillaged for the God $ Fascist good (and not their own). Presumably "their cultures" and "their planet" are the "property" they are defending according to your prior post. I thought they didn't really believe in property? In any case, culture is something that exists in the minds of people and in the choices those people make every day. One can only claim to "own" a culture if one claims to own the minds and choices of others. A bit totalitarian and impossible for commie thugs to do these days since even governments with nukes are having trouble controlling the minds and choices of others. As for the planet, a bit big to be owned at this point though people will be able to own them later when we're richer and have access to more of them. Though why one would want to own a gravity well is beyond me. DCF --- Statism, gravity, and death -- Mankind's three greatest enemies.
Re: Killing the 8 Swiss Anarchists
Ghoat wrote: #One of the points that Tim is missing is that these demonstraters #are only protecting their property, in their view. In which case Bush just poked them in the eye, with the response to the demonstrators that they are hurting the very poor they claim to represent. He's as anti-green as you get. I wouldn't be surprised if there's an assassination attempt sometime. I'll be it'll happen on August... Oh, sorry, there are Feds listening with no sense of humor. >Sandman wrote: ># >#The part I like is that the wording suggests that the writer >#is surprises that a population can have a lot of guns and "yet >#maintains a remarkably low homicide and armed crime rate." Duh. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >A different society. > >It wouldn't work here. Bear wrote: #People are surprising. Even the most idiotic can show a grain #of common sense once they realize that their accustomed prey is #carrying. I'd bet that, after an initial few killings, an #amazingly polite and civil society would develop. No. A heat wave would be like a deadly jiffy-pop affair here. I'm sure Tim would envision that as a cool thing.
RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote: > Speaking for myself, I'm not "owned" by anyone. I obey state and federal > laws though, if that's what you mean. Even when they're unconstitutional I bet... Some American. > You don't need a gun to enforce > ownership, what do you think contract and property law is all about. Which is worthless without the explicit and well advertised threat of violence. See G8 demonstrations today for a explicit example. > Sometimes words or a fist do just as well... What any of this has to do > with supporting the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms is totally unclear. See G8 today. > By the way, why don't you think people have a right to defend their own > lives and property? Don't the people demonstrating have a right to defend their lives and properoty? Their claim is it is being abused and destroyed. Where is their spokesperson at the G8? Where is there forum? > When I'm attacked, why shouldn't I fight back? Hypocrite. Freedom for me, not for thee... -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
Someone behind a remailer wrote: >You stupid american fuck, So it's an insult to be American, is it? Who's being bigoted now. If you really have something interesting to contribute, why not bypass the namecalling and stick to the issues. > ownership is very relative term and enforced by guns, like you are owned >by state of california and USG at the same time, and you do complain about >that, don't you? Huh? Speaking for myself, I'm not "owned" by anyone. I obey state and federal laws though, if that's what you mean. You don't need a gun to enforce ownership, what do you think contract and property law is all about. Sometimes words or a fist do just as well... What any of this has to do with supporting the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms is totally unclear. By the way, why don't you think people have a right to defend their own lives and property? When I'm attacked, why shouldn't I fight back? A nation state that adopted a foreign policy based on "turning the other cheek" wouldn't last a month. So why should I as an individual citizen? Nobody said you have to relish the idea of mowing people down to believe in the principle of defending yourself. In fact, I don't think it's going too far to say that if you don't take reasonable measures to provide for your own safety, you're a contemptible fool and a coward. What would you do in a situation where no one from the state is around to help you? Run? Pray? Roll over and die? If you can't or won't defend yourself, those are about the only options you'll have. In my case, I'm lucky enough to be able to decide that "providing for my own safety" doesn't involve owning a gun at all. But who am I to make that decision for anyone else? Who are you? >You really whine only because you are not on top - Define "on top". No matter where you are intellectually or financially, the botttom line is that you deserve to defend yourself when people are trying to harm you. >you do not really have problem with those below you (I understand you live >on a farm .. must have some pigs there) suffering because they don't have >guns. Define "below". Let's see, who's "below" me, criminals? I think criminals realize better than most the advantages of superior firepower. So why not wake up, take the hint, and quit living like a lamb waiting for the slaughter. But go ahead, it's entirely your choice. ~Faustine.
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RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
Inchoate sputtered: > ...The real reason they're not > sensitive to these particular > 'anarchist' is that they aren't > motivated by the alure of money. > They aspire to a higher calling > than crass commercialism or > puritanical ego fulfillment... Oh boy! If Jim REALLY believes this crap (where does he get this stuff?), I have some great seaside property in Florida, I think he should invest in. ;-D "Save the whales." (We'll eat them later.) S a n d y
Re: WHAT THE SWISS HAVE
"Shoot twice" - the caption on a Swiss postcard of 1914, depicting a Swiss militia man being asked by the Kaiser what the Swiss would do if he sent an army of half a million Germans against the quarter million Swiss Army. I like the attitude though. -- "It's not brave, if you're not scared."
Re: What the Swiss have
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Sandman wrote: ># >#The part I like is that the wording suggests that the writer >#is surprises that a population can have a lot of guns and "yet >#maintains a remarkably low homicide and armed crime rate." Duh. > >A different society. > >It wouldn't work here. People are surprising. Even the most idiotic can show a grain of common sense once they realize that their accustomed prey is carrying. I'd bet that, after an initial few killings, an amazingly polite and civil society would develop. Bear
Re: Killing the G8 Anarchists
>WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR PROPERTY? > >Why are't shop owners spraying the looters with automatic weapons fire? Your bigotry got some boost this morning (cypherpunk readers may be amused to know what nazi methods you advocate for homeless). You stupid american fuck, ownership is very relative term and enforced by guns, like you are owned by state of california and USG at the same time, and you do complain about that, don't you ? You really whine only because you are not on top - you do not really have problem with those below you (I understand you live on a farm .. must have some pigs there) suffering because they don't have guns.
RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Petro wrote: > >Just as much as these protesters object to having their cultures and > >planet raped and pillaged for the God $ Fascist good (and not their own). > > Most of those protesters are white Europeans. The only thing they are > protesting is their own lack of understanding. Perhaps, this is a clear demonstration of your own lack however. It's interesting (and something I've commented on before, check the archives :) that the 'leaders' of the C-A-C-L viewpoint are always ready to bitch about how 'terrible' the government is and how it degrades their profits. And then when somebody actually gets up and acts on it they're the first ones to bail. The real reason they're not sensitive to these particular 'anarchist' is that they aren't motivated by the alure of money. They aspire to a higher calling than crass commercialism or puritanical ego fulfillment. I've said it before, I'll say it again. The majority of the C-A-C-L contingent, in particular their 'leaders', are a bunch of money hungry hypocrites. God $ Fascism. Just more of the same. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: What the Swiss have
At 5:18 PM -0400 7/20/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Sandman wrote: ># >#I'm not sure where George's "here" is... > >New York City, Third Planet From the Sun. Try moving out of a socialist third-world country.
RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
At 4:56 PM -0500 7/20/01, Jim Choate wrote: >On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > >> Tim May wrote: >> >> > WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE >> > PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR >> > PROPERTY? >> > >> > Why are't shop owners spraying the >> > looters with automatic weapons fire? >> > >> > Because, of course, Europeans are >> > disarmed. >> >> Not entirely true. If the G8 folks really wanted to avoid "collateral >> damage" they'd hold their meetings in Switzerland or maybe Finland. I'm >> sure the store and gas station owners would take a VERY dim view of having >> their livelihoods sacrificed to these so-called "anarchists." > >Just as much as these protesters object to having their cultures and >planet raped and pillaged for the God $ Fascist good (and not their own). Most of those protesters are white Europeans. The only thing they are protesting is their own lack of understanding.
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RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > Fortunately for the Swiss, Tim has it pretty much wrong. Switzerland and > pretty much universal mandatory military service for males. The mandatory > part is offensive, Just another example of why the C-A-C-L contingent doesn't have a clue, no concept of 'citizen' and 'responsibility' (outside of personal wealth). -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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Re: Killing the G8 Anarchists
One of the points that Tim is missing is that these demonstraters are only protecting their property, in their view. As usual, Tim confuses 'God $ Fascist' with 'Anarchist'. On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote: > I've watched this list with bemusement as several of you have cheered > on the G8 "Anti-Globalist" black-shirted twentysomethings. > > Watching the street riots in Genoa on CNN, watching the supermarkets > and gas stations being torched and vandalized, all I can think is > this: > > WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR PROPERTY? > > Why are't shop owners spraying the looters with automatic weapons fire? > > Because, of course, Europeans are disarmed. Not like our Korean and > white merchants in L.A., who used shotguns and AR-15s to kill the > blacks and Mexicans who tried to burn down their stores. > > The property-destroying "anarchists" are giving anarchy a bad name. > Seems to me that killing several dozen of them would send a good > message. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > Tim May wrote: > > > WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE > > PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR > > PROPERTY? > > > > Why are't shop owners spraying the > > looters with automatic weapons fire? > > > > Because, of course, Europeans are > > disarmed. > > Not entirely true. If the G8 folks really wanted to avoid "collateral > damage" they'd hold their meetings in Switzerland or maybe Finland. I'm > sure the store and gas station owners would take a VERY dim view of having > their livelihoods sacrificed to these so-called "anarchists." Just as much as these protesters object to having their cultures and planet raped and pillaged for the God $ Fascist good (and not their own). -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Killing the G8 Anarchists
where did you here that they had SMG's I was told they had Sig 551's (an assault rifle) alpha - Original Message - From: "Sandy Sandfort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 11:41 AM Subject: RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists > Tim May wrote: > > > And even in Switzerland, my > > understanding is that the rifles > > issued to each male head of > > household (maybe single moms, but > > I doubt it) are kept IN THE HOUSES, > > not in shops and businesses and > > factories. Some of them might have > > carried their rifles to their > > businesses, though. > > Fortunately for the Swiss, Tim has it pretty much wrong. Switzerland and > pretty much universal mandatory military service for males. The mandatory > part is offensive, but the result is that military personnel are usually > issued submachine guns which they keep--along with ammo and the rest of > their gear--in their home so that they can be called up quickly if > necessary. > > In addition, the Swiss have a high level of ownership of personal weapons. > Kids regularly take their .22 rifles to school for approved shooting > activities and business owners are often armed to the teeth. (Ask Duncan > about an eye-opening visit to the back room of a Swiss restaurant. > > Have you ever hear of a bank robbery in Switzerland? In most Swiss banks, > tellers are armed. They consider it their duty to chase down any bank > robbers that make it out of the bank alive. Don't fuck with the Swiss. > > > S a n d y
RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
Tim May wrote: > And even in Switzerland, my > understanding is that the rifles > issued to each male head of > household (maybe single moms, but > I doubt it) are kept IN THE HOUSES, > not in shops and businesses and > factories. Some of them might have > carried their rifles to their > businesses, though. Fortunately for the Swiss, Tim has it pretty much wrong. Switzerland and pretty much universal mandatory military service for males. The mandatory part is offensive, but the result is that military personnel are usually issued submachine guns which they keep--along with ammo and the rest of their gear--in their home so that they can be called up quickly if necessary. In addition, the Swiss have a high level of ownership of personal weapons. Kids regularly take their .22 rifles to school for approved shooting activities and business owners are often armed to the teeth. (Ask Duncan about an eye-opening visit to the back room of a Swiss restaurant. Have you ever hear of a bank robbery in Switzerland? In most Swiss banks, tellers are armed. They consider it their duty to chase down any bank robbers that make it out of the bank alive. Don't fuck with the Swiss. S a n d y
Re: MY THREE SONS
At 11:13 AM -0700 7/20/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >Isn't it interesting that all three of the Condit boys went bad? One's a >freelance criminal, one's a cop and one's a congressman. Bad parenting or >heredity? You be the judge. The cop is also, from news reports, a dirty cop, using his position of power in ways that citizen-units would be sent to jail for. According to news reports out of Modesto, the big brother (tm) Condit was involved in taking handguns out of the Modesto P.D. and selling them on the street to the usual suspects. As for the direction they all took, they all got into the same basic line of work. Shakedowns and rent-seeking. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
At 11:01 AM -0700 7/20/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >Tim May wrote: > >> WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE >> PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR >> PROPERTY? >> >> Why are't shop owners spraying the >> looters with automatic weapons fire? >> >> Because, of course, Europeans are >> disarmed. > >Not entirely true. If the G8 folks really wanted to avoid "collateral >damage" they'd hold their meetings in Switzerland or maybe Finland. I'm >sure the store and gas station owners would take a VERY dim view of having >their livelihoods sacrificed to these so-called "anarchists." True enough, though this in some sense is a quibble. I mean "nearly all Europeans." There are a few pockets where gun ownership is still permitted, but the trend in most of Europe is to disarmament of the citizen-units. (And as Declan pointed out in his message, the cops do what cops usually do: they pulled back, abandoned the citizen-units to the mobs, and munched on the Italian version of doughnuts (biscotti?). And even in Switzerland, my understanding is that the rifles issued to each male head of household (maybe single moms, but I doubt it) are kept IN THE HOUSES, not in shops and businesses and factories. Some of them might have carried their rifles to their businesses, though. (This is what the Korean merchants mostly did. They camped out in their stores all night and shot from rooftops as looters and arsonists approached. Interestingly, though t.v. cameras captured footage of rioters being shot by Koreans, even killed, there were no attempted prosecutions of these Koreans. Realpolitik meant the dead rioters were just part of the "57 killed in the L.A. riots." Which is as it should be.) I assume this will be the last such Public G8 Extravaganza held in a major city. Between Seattle, Gothenburg, and now Genoa, the costs are too high. The taxpayers of Genoa and Italy are stuck with a $110 million security bill, according to CNN. Probably higher. And the city has been shut down by the preparations. Probably not even much restaurant business, certainly nothing to compensate the actual taxpayers. Having these meetings in "securable" locations, like Davos, makes a lot more sense. "Twenty thousand blackshirt "Warriors Against Capitalism" caught in blizzard on march up to Davos...thousands feared frozen!" Of course, there is really no need for these kinds of meetings. Putin is there to beg for more handouts from the G7, the Gay Lobby is simpering about committing a billion dollars to AIDS research and needle exchange programs, and the corporate interests are seeking ways to reduce competition by upstart companies. The more things change --Tim May -- Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
Tim May wrote: > WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE > PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR > PROPERTY? > > Why are't shop owners spraying the > looters with automatic weapons fire? > > Because, of course, Europeans are > disarmed. Not entirely true. If the G8 folks really wanted to avoid "collateral damage" they'd hold their meetings in Switzerland or maybe Finland. I'm sure the store and gas station owners would take a VERY dim view of having their livelihoods sacrificed to these so-called "anarchists." S a n d y
MY THREE SONS
Isn't it interesting that all three of the Condit boys went bad? One's a freelance criminal, one's a cop and one's a congressman. Bad parenting or heredity? You be the judge. S a n d y
Re: "SPY" REALITY TV SHOW
Kind of like Snowcrash... [This is a sig file] On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > Any Cypherpunks interested in being "spies" for glory and cash prizes?: > > http://abc.go.com/primetime/spy/spy_casting.html > > > S a n d y
Protestor dies in G8 Summit clash
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/07/20/genoa.protests/index.html James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Killing the G8 Anarchists
On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 09:58:10AM -0700, Tim May wrote: > Because, of course, Europeans are disarmed. Not like our Korean and > white merchants in L.A., who used shotguns and AR-15s to kill the > blacks and Mexicans who tried to burn down their stores. Worse yet, apparently the shopkeepers of Genoa were strongly encouraged by the government to head out of town. Then the barricades went up around the "red zone" and shops and businesses not inside it seem to be receiving minimal, if any, police protection. In other words, the Europeans are disarmed, pressured to leave town, and then they can watch CNN with us as their shops are looted and smashed and the cops hunker down inside the red zone. -Declan
Re: FW: FW:Read this...
>- Original Message - >From: Teja Yalgi >To: VaniJayanthi ; CSN ; Deepta ; BV Ramakrishna ; >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 2:16 PM >Subject: FW:Read this... > > >Hi > > This is Jitendra Vaidya today I was visiting the > > official website of the > > government of the USA with a good intention of > > wishing them a happy > > independence day. While reading the profile of the > > president Bush, I could > > read that He has a cat & he has named it INDIA. > > > > Visit this URL to see this > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/ > > > > This is disgusting He must have done it on purpose, No he did it accidently. > > because nobody names > > their dogs or cats in the name of any country even > > by remote chance. Don't be so sure. I know several people who have named their dogs after locations. Wasn't "Indiana Jones" revealed as the name of the dog, by Sean Connery's character, in "The Last Crusade"? >I > > specially wanted to point it out to show that this > > does show what George > > Bush actually thinks of India What you really want to know is if he kicks the dog. steve
Killing the G8 Anarchists
I've watched this list with bemusement as several of you have cheered on the G8 "Anti-Globalist" black-shirted twentysomethings. Watching the street riots in Genoa on CNN, watching the supermarkets and gas stations being torched and vandalized, all I can think is this: WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR PROPERTY? Why are't shop owners spraying the looters with automatic weapons fire? Because, of course, Europeans are disarmed. Not like our Korean and white merchants in L.A., who used shotguns and AR-15s to kill the blacks and Mexicans who tried to burn down their stores. The property-destroying "anarchists" are giving anarchy a bad name. Seems to me that killing several dozen of them would send a good message. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
Indian Cats - was: "Read this..."
You stated: > [President Bush] has a cat & he has named it INDIA. > This is disgusting He must have done it on purpose, > because nobody names their dogs or cats in the name > of any country even by remote chance. I specially > wanted to point it out to show that this does show > what George Bush actually thinks of India. > Over & above this, look at their arrogance that they > post it on official website of Whitehouse. This is > really an insult of a country like us which has > history & civilisation of thousands of years as compared > to that of a nation born out of criminals like USA. [stuff] > Post a protest message... be a True Indian. > JITENDRA VAIDYA I am shocked and amazed! At first I thought Bush had named his cat for "India Crude" which is a kind of oil, since he was in the oil business. I see now how wrong I was! You are right of course, about the superiority of India. I recognize India's greatness in the cause of world water conservation as well, particularly the sacrifices Indians have made in the area of personal hygiene by showering only once every 15 days- all for the cause of world thirst! As such I am moved- near tears- to support your efforts. As a statement of dedication to your cause I have decided to rename my own cat, who I used to call "dothead" to "Jitendra" in your honor. Since that's pretty hard to say every time I want the cat to stop pissing on something I'm going to call him "Jizz" for short! Thanks for helping to keep this kind of country bashing under control! Hey, by the way, did you know that the British call bathrooms "the loo" ? I think Lulu's of the world need to unite and stop this kind of intentional slander! I know you Indians, who can't stand the colonialist scum who tried to build some kind of modern infrastructure in your country at their own expense and spoiled the natural state of the population in the process, will want to do anything you can to stick it to the Brits. How can we let this stand? I know I can count on your support by sending protest letters to the British Embassy! Thanks!
City council splits on Ybor cameras, Greco to have last word
http://24.94.156.250/newsstory.asp?storyname=2001/July/19/ybor James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Genoa Summit: Anti-aircraft guns and 150,000 protestors await worldleaders
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As widely discussed here, Joe Sixpack just doesn't use crypto enough. But as Joe spies on his kids, his kids will learn the value of spending a little time to learn the tech. Private diaries, correspondence, browsing. Even non-deliquent teens crave privacy. And Joe *does* spy on his kids, as this irritating article shows: ... http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/19/technology/circuits/19PARE.html July 19, 2001 Looking For Clues In Junior's Keystrokes By LISA GUERNSEY T was in the spring of last year when a divorced mother of two teenagers in Livingston, N.J., realized that her 14-year-old son's online habits called for drastic steps. For months he had been glued to the family computer at all hours, getting into online quarrels. His grades were sinking, and letters from America Online were piling up, citing violations of its policy against vulgar language in its forums. His mother tried parental-control software, but he circumvented it within minutes. She tried closing the family's America Online account several times; feigning her voice, he had it reopened. She installed hardware requiring a password to be entered to start the computer; he reconfigured the circuitry to get back in. One night, in desperation, she slept with the power cord under her pillow. So the mother who asked not to be identified for this article out of concern that her son's activities could affect custody arrangements took the computer away. For seven months she hid the computer tower in the trunk of her car, covered with blankets. In August, she said, "he got it back, with the explicit understanding that I have the passwords to all his screen names." Since then she has been vigilant in inspecting the cache of Web sites he has visited, checking the Recycle Bin for signs of trouble. "He certainly improved my computer skills," she said. Teenagers, the moment you have been dreading has arrived: Parents are starting to get a clue about the Internet, and they are more and more determined to gain control of where you go, what you read, whom you talk to and how you behave online. The Internet age is ushering in a new mode of parental oversight, one in which Mom and Dad draw Web-based boundaries, issue computer curfews and worry about whether their hack-happy youngsters are making trouble. Granted, many parents would still not know a motherboard from Mother Hubbard, but that doesn't mean they are not trying. In a recent survey by the Pew Internet and American Life Project, a nonprofit research center, more than 60 percent of parents reported that they checked to see which Web sites their teenagers had visited. About 60 percent of the 754 parents surveyed also said that they had set time limits for Internet use. In a survey of 774 parents conducted for Disney Online, 71 percent said they had set rules about what kinds of content their children could see online, and 88 percent said they had forbidden Internet access in the bedroom (a rule that the mother in Livingston swears by). In interviews for this article, some parents said they had no qualms about reading their children's e-mail by logging in under their screen names. Others reported that they had learned to distinguish between the pause-laden typing patterns that signal that their children are doing homework and the frenetic tap-tap-tap of instant messaging. It is the modern equivalent of listening furtively at the bathroom door after the teenager drags the phone in there for a private conversation. Roni Murillo, a mother in Syosset, N.Y., said she has "sneak-in times" when she tries to read the instant messages sent and received by her 15-year-old son, who once received a citation from AOL for posting a note containing profanity in a professional- wrestling forum. "I have to do it," she said, though abashedly. "I've seen other kids answer him with all these curses. There is no way to monitor that unless you are right there." The snooping, needless to say, does not sit well with those snooped upon. Checking e- mail In boxes is considered the most flagrant priv
China shuts down 2,000 net cafes
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Tear gas fired in G8 clashes
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FC: China can use Net for control; response from Adam Powell (fwd)
-- Eugen* Leitl http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/";>leitl __ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:29:58 -0400 From: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: China can use Net for control; response from Adam Powell *** From: "Lokman Tsui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: thesis 'internet control and the chinese government' Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:05:49 +0200 hi declan, i wanted to point you to my thesis about 'internet control and the chinese government'. The final draft of my thesis is available at http://www.lokman.nu/thesis it is in pdf format and about 800kb. The abstract is below. Abstract Initially, the internet was an open medium with certain characteristics that made it hard to control. According to Western journalists and politicians, the efforts of the Chinese government to control the internet are doomed to fail. This study attempts to counter this view and discusses to what degree the Chinese government can control the internet in China and, more than that, to what degree the internet can be used as a means for control. Methodologically, the four modalities of control (the law, architecture, social norms and the market), set forth by Lessig will be used. As a result, this study will offer a legal, technical, social and economical perspective in discussing the degree of internet control in China. Lessig further argues that the architecture of the internet is undergoing changes that continue to enable control. A prime example of using architecture as a means of control is the concept of the Panopticon prison, invented by Bentham and mediated by Foucault. The concept of the Panopticon will be used to show how the internet can be used as a means for control. The conclusions are that the Chinese government are quite capable of controlling the internet in China and that China has the perfect ingredients for deploying a digital Panopticon. This digital Panopticon will continue to improve and develop, driven by the market. These conclusions show that the internet, to contrary belief, can be controlled and even be used as a means for control. Keywords internet regulation, internet control, social control, political control, censorship, privacy, surveillance, panopticon, Lessig, internet in China, Chinese Internet, media. -- "The lure of imaginary totality is momentarily frozen before the dialectic of desire hastens on within symbolic chains." http://www.lokman.nu[-silent dreams-] http://www.wongkarwai.net Because We Have Taste ** [Adam is replying to this, and the Subject: line was mine, I admit: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02275.html --DBM] From: Adam Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Paul McMasters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Arnold Zeitlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Internet helps brutal governments retain control, paper says Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:12:57 -0400 The subject line of this message is not supported by the paper. The full paper, posted at http://www.ceip.org/files/pdf/21KalathilBoas.pdf, says the Internet is not necessarily "an insurmountable threat to authoritarian rule." That is different from saying the Internet "helps brutal governments retain control." The paper begins by noting recent scholarship that has found a positive correlation between Net penetration and democratization -- and correctly noting that does not imply causality, any more than the crowing of a rooster causes the sun to rise. But by relying on official government data on computer *ownership* and on *registered* email accounts, the authors may have encountered a methodological problem that has skewed data for many countries around the world -- including the US. Throughout Asia and Africa and especially in China (I don't have first-hand knowledge of Cuba), relying on such data means you miss the vast majority of the online community that uses hotmail accounts, proxy servers and cybercafes or other non-owned machines for Net access. For every registered user we met in China, we met several who were not registered. So instead of the official Beijing number of 26.5 million people on line (that's the *official* number from China Internet Network Information Center reported today, up 56.8% from last year - details at http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=14423) most experts we contacted said the ratio of unregistered to registered users is 4:1, yielding a total of well over 100 million. That's still a small percentage in a country of billions, but it is different from the paper's 17 million. Why lower than the official numbers? The citation in a footnote takes you to www.chinaoline.com, a Web site in Chicago
FC: China can use Net for control; response from Adam Powell (fwd)
-- Eugen* Leitl http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/";>leitl __ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:29:58 -0400 From: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: China can use Net for control; response from Adam Powell *** From: "Lokman Tsui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: thesis 'internet control and the chinese government' Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:05:49 +0200 hi declan, i wanted to point you to my thesis about 'internet control and the chinese government'. The final draft of my thesis is available at http://www.lokman.nu/thesis it is in pdf format and about 800kb. The abstract is below. Abstract Initially, the internet was an open medium with certain characteristics that made it hard to control. According to Western journalists and politicians, the efforts of the Chinese government to control the internet are doomed to fail. This study attempts to counter this view and discusses to what degree the Chinese government can control the internet in China and, more than that, to what degree the internet can be used as a means for control. Methodologically, the four modalities of control (the law, architecture, social norms and the market), set forth by Lessig will be used. As a result, this study will offer a legal, technical, social and economical perspective in discussing the degree of internet control in China. Lessig further argues that the architecture of the internet is undergoing changes that continue to enable control. A prime example of using architecture as a means of control is the concept of the Panopticon prison, invented by Bentham and mediated by Foucault. The concept of the Panopticon will be used to show how the internet can be used as a means for control. The conclusions are that the Chinese government are quite capable of controlling the internet in China and that China has the perfect ingredients for deploying a digital Panopticon. This digital Panopticon will continue to improve and develop, driven by the market. These conclusions show that the internet, to contrary belief, can be controlled and even be used as a means for control. Keywords internet regulation, internet control, social control, political control, censorship, privacy, surveillance, panopticon, Lessig, internet in China, Chinese Internet, media. -- "The lure of imaginary totality is momentarily frozen before the dialectic of desire hastens on within symbolic chains." http://www.lokman.nu[-silent dreams-] http://www.wongkarwai.net Because We Have Taste ** [Adam is replying to this, and the Subject: line was mine, I admit: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02275.html --DBM] From: Adam Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Paul McMasters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Arnold Zeitlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Internet helps brutal governments retain control, paper says Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:12:57 -0400 The subject line of this message is not supported by the paper. The full paper, posted at http://www.ceip.org/files/pdf/21KalathilBoas.pdf, says the Internet is not necessarily "an insurmountable threat to authoritarian rule." That is different from saying the Internet "helps brutal governments retain control." The paper begins by noting recent scholarship that has found a positive correlation between Net penetration and democratization -- and correctly noting that does not imply causality, any more than the crowing of a rooster causes the sun to rise. But by relying on official government data on computer *ownership* and on *registered* email accounts, the authors may have encountered a methodological problem that has skewed data for many countries around the world -- including the US. Throughout Asia and Africa and especially in China (I don't have first-hand knowledge of Cuba), relying on such data means you miss the vast majority of the online community that uses hotmail accounts, proxy servers and cybercafes or other non-owned machines for Net access. For every registered user we met in China, we met several who were not registered. So instead of the official Beijing number of 26.5 million people on line (that's the *official* number from China Internet Network Information Center reported today, up 56.8% from last year - details at http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=14423) most experts we contacted said the ratio of unregistered to registered users is 4:1, yielding a total of well over 100 million. That's still a small percentage in a country of billions, but it is different from the paper's 17 million. Why lower than the official numbers? The citation in a footnote takes you to www.chinaoline.com, a Web site in Chicago.
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Re: FW: FW:Read this...(India)
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