Re: Russian Programmer Not Eager to be Celebrity
On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 09:06:48PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot express how fed up I am with this type of tunnel-vision HYPOCRISY. The same folks who are screaming that writing public crypto code must be covered by the 1st because it is good are screaming that Sklyarov is now bad because he writes spamware. One idiot went so far as to call for Sklyarov's *execution* because he may have written the program that was once used to send UCE/UBE to the miscreant whiner! There are two obvious ways to defend Sklyarov: * This person is a great guy, wife, two kids, smart, grad student, academic, researcher, programmer, cryptologist, etc. He didn't do anything except piss off Adobe, and the DMCA is unconstitional anyway, so let him go free. * Okay, Sklyarov may be a spamware writer and we may worry about his poor sense of ethics and in fact he's not someone we'd want to spend any time with in person, but he should go free since the DMCA is unconstitutional and spamware, though we hate it, is 1A-protected. I think the antispammers are taking position #2. Nobody I have read says he should be locked up because of writing spamware. -Declan
8-CALL FOR REVIEWERS: Draft NRC report on Tools and Strategies for Protecting Kids from Pornography and Their Applicability to Other Inappropriate Internet Content.
Apologies if you get more than one copy of this note - we are sending this to many parties to generate the broadest possible universe from which to select reviewers. CALL FOR REVIEWERS - PLEASE POST WIDELY The National Research Council seeks reviewers for a draft report on its project on Tools and Strategies for Protecting Kids from Pornography and Their Applicability to Other Inappropriate Internet Content. More information on this project, including a list of committee members, can be found at http://www.itasnrc.org. Purpose of review Every report of the National Research Council must be reviewed by a diverse group of experts other than its authors before it may be released outside the institution. This independent, rigorous review is a hallmark that distinguishes the NRC from many other organizations offering scientific and technical advice on issues of national importance. The purpose of such review is to assist the authors in making their report as accurate and effective as possible, and to enhance the clarity, cogency, and credibility of the final document. Responsibilities of reviewers Reviewers are asked to consider whether in their judgment the evidence and arguments presented are sound and the report is fully responsive to the study charge, not whether they concur with the findings. Reviewers provide written comments on any and all aspects of the draft report, and the authoring committee is expected to consider all review comments and to provide written responses to those comments, either modifying the report accordingly or explaining why the report was not modified. The committee's responses are themselves evaluated by the National Research Council for adequacy and completeness. Note that NRC reports have a history of changing significantly between draft and final versions as the result of reviewer comments. Qualifications of reviewers Reviewers of NRC reports are selected on the basis of personal expertise in a field or fields relevant to the subject matter of the report; a dedication to drawing conclusions based on the analysis of data and information; sufficiently seniority in their fields to warrant broad respect for their intellect, fairness, and stature. Names of reviewers are made public at the time of the report's final publication, but during the review process they are anonymous to the committee and staff. Confidentiality of report Because NRC reports change as the result of review, reviewers must be willing to keep the draft report absolutely confidential and otherwise abide by the NRC's guidelines for reviewing of reports. Procedure for submitting names Please forward nominations for reviewers (self-nominations acceptable) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The subject line of the e-mail should say reviewer nomination. Submitted nominations should include contact information, biographies (including relevant published works, public statements, and current or former positions of relevance), and indications of relevant expertise and the perspective on the subject that the nominee will bring. Note that while the NRC seeks nominations from a wide variety of sources, it reserves the exclusive right to determine reviewers of its reports. Deadline for Nominations While nominations may be submitted at any time, nominations without the information described above, or received after September 15, 2001, may not be fully considered. More information is available from the Web site of this project at http://www.itasnrc.org or from Herb Lin (Study Director), at 202-334-2605.
RE: Products Liability and Innovation. Was: ...
It's been interesting seeing the back and forth on this, especially since I kicked off this subthread. I've found the anti-liability arguments quite persuasive. Peter Trei
RE: Products Liability and Innovation. Was: ...
It's been interesting seeing the back and forth on this, especially since I kicked off this subthread. I've found the anti-liability arguments quite persuasive. Peter Trei
RE: Terrorist [was: and....]
[EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Eric Cordian wrote: Regarding terrorists. Our government conveniently defines a terrorist as any sub-national group that breaks the law in order to influence opinion. Note under such a definition, no recognized government can commit a terrorist act, even if it firebombs nuns and orphans holding kittens. Close, but not quite. It does not require the breaking of law, only actions which are in some way offensive. Yours, J.A. Terranson You also forget another critical condition: It's OK if your sub-national group opposes a government which the US dislikes; therefore those trying to overthrow Saadam are 'freedom fighters'., rather than terrorists. The same group can easily flip from one status to another as outside conditions change - many of the Afghanis the USG now labels 'terrorists' were started on their careers as US sponsored 'freedom fighters'. Another example: Kurds striving to establish Kurdistan are regarded by the US as either freedom fighters or terrorists, depending which side of the Turkish/Iraqi border they are on. Of course, by the US Governments definition, George Washington and the other Founding Fathers were terrorists. 'We have always been at war with EastAsia'. Peter Trei
RE: Terrorist [was: and....]
[EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Eric Cordian wrote: Regarding terrorists. Our government conveniently defines a terrorist as any sub-national group that breaks the law in order to influence opinion. Note under such a definition, no recognized government can commit a terrorist act, even if it firebombs nuns and orphans holding kittens. Close, but not quite. It does not require the breaking of law, only actions which are in some way offensive. Yours, J.A. Terranson You also forget another critical condition: It's OK if your sub-national group opposes a government which the US dislikes; therefore those trying to overthrow Saadam are 'freedom fighters'., rather than terrorists. The same group can easily flip from one status to another as outside conditions change - many of the Afghanis the USG now labels 'terrorists' were started on their careers as US sponsored 'freedom fighters'. Another example: Kurds striving to establish Kurdistan are regarded by the US as either freedom fighters or terrorists, depending which side of the Turkish/Iraqi border they are on. Of course, by the US Governments definition, George Washington and the other Founding Fathers were terrorists. 'We have always been at war with EastAsia'. Peter Trei
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Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting
On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 11:33:36PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Jared Mauch wrote: No, I'm not talking about the spammers who were caught in maps, I'm referring to the INNOCENTS who were caught in MAPS. If the LEO community acted like MAPS does, there would have been armed revolution in the streets *years ago*. MAPS never gave a shit about facts, they cared only about their agenda - no matter who got hurt in the way. Fuckem. Vixie is a netnazi who would do us all a favor if he just blew what little brains he has left out of his left ear. I think you are confused and talking about ORBS. the MAPS people have not acted with any agenda that I've ever seen. I assure you I am not confused. ORBS was intolerably worse, but MAPS is still not something I am looking forward to seeing survive. The best way to do that is to produce a solution that's better than MAPS. If you strongly beleive in end-user filtering, then make a better end-user filter. In fact you can start with mine (see web page) and make it user-friendly enough that your Mom can use it. Then it might see significant use. MAPS might not have been perfect, and ORBS was overly agressive, but they were actually doing something. It was simple, just add a couple lines to your sendmail.cf and much of your spam would go away. Great for ISPs with users complaining about spam. (that's a hint about how your better-than-MAPS system might work). [stuff deleted] It's easier to write a rant than it is to write code, but code is what counts. Eric
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NRC asks for reviewers for forthcoming Internet porn report
- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: NRC asks for reviewers for forthcoming Internet porn report To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:37:21 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ Background from Politech archives: Net-sex NRC panel asks for testimony, will hold regional mtgs http://www.politechbot.com/p-01852.html Patricia Nell Warren's comments to NAS porn panel http://www.politechbot.com/p-01615.html National Academy of Sciences panel hears about porn kids http://www.politechbot.com/p-01571.html Free speech advocates fret about NAS Net-porn commission http://www.politechbot.com/p-01567.html From: Herb Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:03:30 -0400 Subject: 8-CALL FOR REVIEWERS: Draft NRC report on Tools and Strategies for Protecting Kids from Pornography and Their Applicability to Other Inappropriate Internet Content. CALL FOR REVIEWERS - PLEASE POST WIDELY The National Research Council seeks reviewers for a draft report on its project on Tools and Strategies for Protecting Kids from Pornography and Their Applicability to Other Inappropriate Internet Content. More information on this project, including a list of committee members, can be found at http://www.itasnrc.org. Purpose of review Every report of the National Research Council must be reviewed by a diverse group of experts other than its authors before it may be released outside the institution. This independent, rigorous review is a hallmark that distinguishes the NRC from many other organizations offering scientific and technical advice on issues of national importance. The purpose of such review is to assist the authors in making their report as accurate and effective as possible, and to enhance the clarity, cogency, and credibility of the final document. Responsibilities of reviewers Reviewers are asked to consider whether in their judgment the evidence and arguments presented are sound and the report is fully responsive to the study charge, not whether they concur with the findings. Reviewers provide written comments on any and all aspects of the draft report, and the authoring committee is expected to consider all review comments and to provide written responses to those comments, either modifying the report accordingly or explaining why the report was not modified. The committee's responses are themselves evaluated by the National Research Council for adequacy and completeness. Note that NRC reports have a history of changing significantly between draft and final versions as the result of reviewer comments. Qualifications of reviewers Reviewers of NRC reports are selected on the basis of personal expertise in a field or fields relevant to the subject matter of the report; a dedication to drawing conclusions based on the analysis of data and information; sufficiently seniority in their fields to warrant broad respect for their intellect, fairness, and stature. Names of reviewers are made public at the time of the report's final publication, but during the review process they are anonymous to the committee and staff. Confidentiality of report Because NRC reports change as the result of review, reviewers must be willing to keep the draft report absolutely confidential and otherwise abide by the NRC's guidelines for reviewing of reports. Procedure for submitting names Please forward nominations for reviewers (self-nominations acceptable) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The subject line of the e-mail should say reviewer nomination. Submitted nominations should include contact information, biographies (including relevant published works, public statements, and current or former positions of relevance), and indications of relevant expertise and the perspective on the subject that the nominee will bring. Note that while the NRC seeks nominations from a wide variety of sources, it reserves the exclusive right to determine reviewers of its reports. Deadline for Nominations While nominations may be submitted at any time, nominations without the information described above, or received after September 15, 2001, may not be fully considered. More information is available from the Web site of this project at http://www.itasnrc.org or from Herb Lin (Study Director), at 202-334-2605. - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - - End forwarded message -
Organized crime groups going online, report says -- beware!
- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: Organized crime groups going online, report says -- beware! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:30:46 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ Excerpts: Indeed, it is possible that some jurisdictions will increasingly seek to exploit a permissive attitude to attract business, creating information safe havens (paralleling offshore tax havens and bank secrecy jurisdictions) that make it difficult for law enforcement to follow information trails, and offering insulated cyber-business operations from which illicit businesses can operate with a minimum of interference. In addition, of course, organized crime groups use the Internet for communications (usually encrypted) and for any other purposes when they see it as useful and profitable. Indeed, organized crime is proving as flexible and adaptable in its exploitation of cyberopportunities as it is in any other opportunities for illegal activity. The implications are far-reaching and require a response from government that is strategic, multi-level, multilateral, and transnational in nature. The Council of Europe Convention on Cybercrime, largely supported by the United States, is the first major step in this direction and can be understood as the beginning of the process of setting norms and standards that national governments ultimately will be expected to meet in their legislative, regulatory, and enforcement efforts. Background on Council of Europe treaty: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02173.html -Declan ** Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:01:41 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Organized Crime and Cybercrime: Synergies, Trends, and Responses http://usinfo.state.gov/cgi-bin/washfile/display.pl?p=/products/washfile/latestf=01081304.gltt=/products/washfile/newsitem.shtml Byliner: Internet Is Likely New Target of Crime, Expert Warns (Criminal Organizations find new opportunities in cyberspace) (2850) (The following originally appeared in the Global Issues Aug. 8 Electronic Journal Arresting Transnational Crime.) Organized Crime and Cybercrime: Synergies, Trends, and Responses By Phil Williams (Professor of International Security Studies, University of Pittsburgh and 2001-2002 Visiting Scientist at CERT/CC, a center of Internet security expertise at Carnegie Mellon University. Williams is also the editor of the journal Transnational Organized Crime at http://www.pitt.edu/~rcss/toc.html) The capabilities and opportunities provided by the Internet have transformed many legitimate business activities, augmenting the speed, ease, and range with which transactions can be conducted while also lowering many of the costs. Criminals have also discovered that the Internet can provide new opportunities and multiplier benefits for illicit business. The dark side of the Internet involves not only fraud and theft, pervasive pornography, and pedophile rings, but also drug trafficking and criminal organizations that are more intent upon exploitation than the disruption that is the focus of the hacking community. In the virtual world, as in the real world, most criminal activities are initiated by individuals or small groups and can best be understood as disorganized crime. Yet there is growing evidence that organized crime groups are exploiting the new opportunities offered by the Internet. Organized crime and cybercrime will never be synonymous. Most organized crime will continue to operate in the real world rather than the cyberworld and most cybercrime will be perpetrated by individuals rather than criminal organizations per se. Nevertheless, the degree of overlap between the two phenomena is likely to increase considerably in the next few years. Organized Crime and Cybercrime Organized crime is primarily about the pursuit of profit and can be understood in Clausewitzian (1) terms as a continuation of business by criminal means. Consequently, just as brick-and-mortar companies move their enterprises on to the Worldwide Web seeking new opportunities for profits, criminal enterprises are doing the same thing. Criminal organizations are not the only players in illicit markets, but they are often the most important, not least because of the added competitiveness that is provided by the threat of organized violence. Moreover, criminal organizations tend to be exceptionally good at identifying and seizing opportunities for new illegal enterprises and activities. In this context, the Internet and the continuing growth of electronic commerce offer enormous new prospects for illicit profits. In recent years, there has been a significant increase in the sophistication of organized crime and drug trafficking groups. Colombian drug trafficking organizations, for
Re: NRC asks for reviewers for forthcoming Internet porn report
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: - Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: NRC asks for reviewers for forthcoming Internet porn report To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:37:21 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ Background from Politech archives: Net-sex NRC panel asks for testimony, will hold regional mtgs http://www.politechbot.com/p-01852.html Patricia Nell Warren's comments to NAS porn panel http://www.politechbot.com/p-01615.html National Academy of Sciences panel hears about porn kids http://www.politechbot.com/p-01571.html Free speech advocates fret about NAS Net-porn commission http://www.politechbot.com/p-01567.html This is science??? What I want to know is: what color should the pantaloons on the piano legs be? jbdigriz
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Re: NRC asks for reviewers for forthcoming Internet pornreport
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, James B. DiGriz wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: - Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: NRC asks for reviewers for forthcoming Internet porn report To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:37:21 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ Background from Politech archives: Net-sex NRC panel asks for testimony, will hold regional mtgs http://www.politechbot.com/p-01852.html Patricia Nell Warren's comments to NAS porn panel http://www.politechbot.com/p-01615.html National Academy of Sciences panel hears about porn kids http://www.politechbot.com/p-01571.html Free speech advocates fret about NAS Net-porn commission http://www.politechbot.com/p-01567.html This is science??? What I want to know is: what color should the pantaloons on the piano legs be? jbdigriz Let me elaborate: Panels, meetings, testimony...where's the research? What is even being studied here? This sounds like a problem fumbling around until it reaches a critical consensus of definition. The opportunities for shenanigans, for good or ill, should be evident. Personally, I was a horny little fucker as a kid. I won't say when exactly, but the the lurid pulp covers at my eye level at the time tended to focus on Ilsa the she-bitch of the SS SM type themes. I DID find this somewhat disturbing, if fascinating. It was not till sometime later that a friend and I discovered his father's Playboy collection (my old man kept his stash a lot better hidden) and I was exposed to more gratifyingly wholesome images. I can't say that any of it did me any harm, though. Anecdotal, to be sure, but it tallies with my observations of children in recent years, whether watching cable, surfing, or whatever. I know there are folks who won't abide it, but they will be better served by Consumer Reports. And so I've said my say, jbdigriz
Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting
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Re: NRC asks for reviewers for forthcoming Internet porn report
On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 01:53:58PM -0700, Tim May wrote: Third, the issue of online porn, the CDA, the Amateur Action case, etc. have been discussed many times here. The NRC study will be very important in Washington DC circles (less important than the Meese commission, more important than the COPA Commission). While it may be of passing interest to cypherpunks, many of these topics have been discussed before, as Tim says, which explains why there's little reaction. -Declan
Re: NRC asks for reviewers for forthcoming Internet porn report
On Tuesday, August 14, 2001, at 01:22 PM, James B. DiGriz wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, James B. DiGriz wrote: And so I've said my say, jbdigriz Uh, ya'll don't all respond at once now. Seriously, I know I'm not a regular poster, but don't leave me twisting in the wind here. I haven't heard this kind of deafening silence since the time I told my lawyer the church job was a frame up and who did the framing. He didn't believe me, but he found out I was right. (I think his point then was yeah, so?, but he got us off without a trial. Damn sharp attorney, that one.) First, people are less likely to respond to whimsical nyms, even a stainless steel rat. Second, you comment on Declan's forwarding of a forwarding of a Herb Lin call for reviewers for some study his group is doing. Ho hum. Third, the issue of online porn, the CDA, the Amateur Action case, etc. have been discussed many times here. Fourth, Cypherpunks are probably more interested in making sure Big Bro can't block porn, via technical means, than in advising Herb Lin on yet another study. Fifth, you expressed your view of Herb's study. Absent some point, what is there is to discuss? Sixth, you're always welcome to post more. Some things generate interest, some don't. Don't sweat the posts that don't. I don't. --Tim May
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The Washington Post finally catches on to the fact that the Scarfo case exists, a few weeks after everyone else wrote about the hearing in Newark. The front-page story today by Jonathan Krim contains this memorable passage: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55606-2001Aug9.html Encryption is virtually unbreakable by police today, with programs that can be bought for $15, said Stewart Baker, former general counsel of the National Security Agency and now partner at the Washington law firm Steptoe Johnson. Although agreeing that surveillance should be done under strict guidelines, Baker said that to a degree, the privacy groups got us into this by arguing that there should be no limits on encryption, and the police have to deal with it. -Declan
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Tim wrote: On Sunday, August 12, 2001, at 02:41 PM, Faustine wrote: Cryptographically speaking, *yawn*. Fairly impressive in that it's better than what I've got in my basement right now. And for me, part of the appeal lies in the satisfaction of putting something like that together entirely yourself out of components other people considered worthless and discarded. Not to mention being able to use it for whatever you want, whenever you want, without depending on anyone else's machine: a wonderful blend of self-sufficiency, ingenuity and megalomania, ha. So, are you now claiming you plan to build one? Why else the part of the appeal lies in the satisfaction of bit? As a way to address the implicit question why would anybody ever want to build a thing like that. For what it's worth, at one point I was tantalizingly close to getting my hands on a donation of 53 G3s. Unfortunately it fell through, but if an offer like that ever happens to come my way again, I can't really say I'd turn it down. If someone else is convinced it's interesting enough to be willing to foot the power bill (as I had anticipated would be the case), where's the downside? Nobody thinks strategically enough to see why they'd be better off buying me a few shiny new G4s instead. Since I know that's 100% out of the realm of possiblity, it's better to be resourceful and take whatever I can get: more CPU power than I have now (or am likely to get adequate access to in the near future). I might have even been able to turn around and share/rent time on it to other low-priority people like myself who're just out to further their own research without getting underfoot elsewhere. Not a bad idea, at any rate. I still maintain that the lure of tinkering and scavaging is a large part of the appeal anyway. If it leaves you flat and, being rich and retired, have far better ways to spend your time, to each his own. ~Faustine.
Re: If we had key escrow, Scarfo wouldn't be a problem
On Tuesday, August 14, 2001, at 03:03 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote: The Washington Post finally catches on to the fact that the Scarfo case exists, a few weeks after everyone else wrote about the hearing in Newark. The front-page story today by Jonathan Krim contains this memorable passage: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55606-2001Aug9.html Encryption is virtually unbreakable by police today, with programs that can be bought for $15, said Stewart Baker, former general counsel of the National Security Agency and now partner at the Washington law firm Steptoe Johnson. Although agreeing that surveillance should be done under strict guidelines, Baker said that to a degree, the privacy groups got us into this by arguing that there should be no limits on encryption, and the police have to deal with it. Not that anyone had any doubts about the ultimate intentions of the key escrow people, but it's useful to remember what the _ostensible_ goals were, and then compare it with what Stewart Baker is saying above. Item: the key escrow controversy arose with Clipper, the _telephone_ system to be sold by ATT containing the Clipper chip made by Mykotronx. Item: anyone think Scafo or his pals would have bought such a Clipperphone? Item: even a few years later, when the key escrow issue surfaced with _software_, there was no plausible way that the horses already out of the barn (*) could have been herded back into the barn and made to incorporate Skipjack or any other key escrow features. (* The horses being: a vast number of already-deployed laptops, PCs, modems, cellphones, cable modems, satellite phones, PDAs, etc. What was the government to do, tell people to turn in their laptops? Banning crypto use, and enforcing such a ban in the face of millions of users of unskipjacked machines, would be very difficult. Stego would make it even harder to detect and enforce.) Item: the key escrow thing never got out of the NSA dreaming stages. No legislation was ever introduced (nothing serious, at least...one can never count out bizarre fliers). The massive logistical and technical and _CONSTITUTIONAL_ issues were the reason a key escrow law never got proposed. The privacy groups pointed out that the Emperor has no clothes, but a real proposed law never would've gotten anywhere. Only a police state could ban unescrowed crypto. Only places like Russia, South Africa, and Britain. (And they will find enforcement and what it does to their communications infrastructures to be daunting problems.) --Tim May
Re: NRC asks for reviewers for forthcoming Internet pornreport
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, August 14, 2001, at 01:22 PM, James B. DiGriz wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, James B. DiGriz wrote: And so I've said my say, jbdigriz Uh, ya'll don't all respond at once now. Seriously, I know I'm not a regular poster, but don't leave me twisting in the wind here. I haven't heard this kind of deafening silence since the time I told my lawyer the church job was a frame up and who did the framing. He didn't believe me, but he found out I was right. (I think his point then was yeah, so?, but he got us off without a trial. Damn sharp attorney, that one.) First, people are less likely to respond to whimsical nyms, even a stainless steel rat. Ouch, whimsical. Let's just say that keeping the character in mind tempers my comments. Believe it or not. Second, you comment on Declan's forwarding of a forwarding of a Herb Lin call for reviewers for some study his group is doing. Ho hum. Be nice if it actually said what it was about, rather than eliciting projections and interpretations on the part of the reader. But, as you say, ho hum. Presumably it is to give scientific backing to whatever position Congress wants to take on upcoming issues and legislation, and to couch various, no doubt conflicting, agendas in scientific doublespeak. Excuse my cynicism, but that's the way it looks to me. Third, the issue of online porn, the CDA, the Amateur Action case, etc. have been discussed many times here. No doubt everyone is tired of it, then. No problem. Fourth, Cypherpunks are probably more interested in making sure Big Bro can't block porn, via technical means, than in advising Herb Lin on yet another study. Or blocking anything else in particular. I concur. Fifth, you expressed your view of Herb's study. Absent some point, what is there is to discuss? Mainly I was wondering if others were as dubious as I am at moment about the apparent level of integrity of the NAS. I should research this matter more myself, I admit. If I'm not giving Herb proper credit, even if I remain skeptical of the institution, I'll be the first to say so. Sixth, you're always welcome to post more. Some things generate interest, some don't. Don't sweat the posts that don't. I don't. Point taken. Thanks for the response. jbdigriz
Re: NRC asks for reviewers for forthcoming Internet porn report
On Tuesday, August 14, 2001, at 02:36 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 01:53:58PM -0700, Tim May wrote: Third, the issue of online porn, the CDA, the Amateur Action case, etc. have been discussed many times here. The NRC study will be very important in Washington DC circles (less important than the Meese commission, more important than the COPA Commission). While it may be of passing interest to cypherpunks, many of these topics have been discussed before, as Tim says, which explains why there's little reaction. And there is, after all, VERY LITTLE that such a study should do. Some people don't like porn, some people like it. Some subscribe to porn sites, some surf for free, some even generate online and other porn. Some people don't want their husbands to access porn. Some don't mind. Some don't want their children to access porn. Some don't mind. Some people don't want bookstores to carry To Kill a Mockingbird, some people don't want them to carry Lolita. Some don't mind. However, in a free society with protections similar to the First Amendment, what people like or dislike is not germane to what government may pass laws about. There is nothing in the First which allows government to regulate speech or music or any other such form of expression based on its offensiveness to some. Nothing. (The landmark Supreme Court cases on obscenity, like Miller, have to do with fairly gross obscenity. Not that I agree they were justified, but the online decency issue is a long way from what the Supremes have said may be banned.) For the children! is no more a reason to trump the First for Web sites than it would be to trump the First for bookstores, for example, by requiring that Lolita be kept in an adult's only section. Or that children not be allowed to enter bookstore's containing images and text deemed unaccepable by some. Nor is self labelling acceptable under the First. My words are my words, my pages are my pages. I don't have to rate them for how a Muslim might feel about them, or how Donna Rice might react, or whether I included material offensive to Creationists. Nothing in the First Whether the technology yet exists to allow parents (or wives) to block certain sites is neither here nor there, and it's a shame something called The National Research Council is getting involved in this. By the way, this is an area which is ideal for an analysis using Larry Lessig's tripod of Custom vs. Law vs. Technology. I wrote about Lessig's model a few years ago. (I haven't read his latest book, Code, so I don't how he fleshes out the ideaI have combined it with my own models. Maybe I'll write up some thoughts. (Not for Herb Lin, of course. Nothing against him, but these studies are usually just opinion polls and are crushingly boring reads. I tried to read the NRC's Crypto report...even went to the Palo Alto unveiling. B-o-r-i-n-g!) --Tim May
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Re: NRC asks for reviewers for forthcoming Internet pornreport
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 01:53:58PM -0700, Tim May wrote: Third, the issue of online porn, the CDA, the Amateur Action case, etc. have been discussed many times here. The NRC study will be very important in Washington DC circles (less important than the Meese commission, more important than the COPA Commission). While it may be of passing interest to cypherpunks, many of these topics have been discussed before, as Tim says, which explains why there's little reaction. -Declan Gotcha. jbdigriz
Re: NRC asks for reviewers for forthcoming Internet porn report
On Tuesday, August 14, 2001, at 04:17 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 03:32:06PM -0700, Tim May wrote: Whether the technology yet exists to allow parents (or wives) to block certain sites is neither here nor there, and it's a shame something called The National Research Council is getting involved in this. The NRC is very prestigious. It is part of the even more prestigious National Academies, which includes the Nataional Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine. I doubt the prestigious part, at least out here in the boondocks of Silicon Valley. Herb Lin may be a nice enough droid, but he certainly wouldn't be an attractive hire to the Intels, Ciscos, Ebays, Oracles, and others in the Valley. The last Washington insider hired by a Valley company was, IIRC, Joe Lockhart, former press secretary to Clinton. Larry Ellison hired him to do something vice presidential at Oracle. He lasted several months, then left to spend more time with his family or somesuch. (If I'm wrong about it being Lockhart, I'm definitely right about it being Oracle. A search should turn up the details.) The National Research Council is inconsequential, which is why they are now carrying water for the anti=porn crusaders. --Tim May
Re: Organized crime groups going online, report says -- beware!
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: - Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In addition, of course, organized crime groups use the Internet for communications (usually encrypted) and for any other purposes when they see it as useful and profitable. Indeed, organized crime is proving as flexible and adaptable in its exploitation of cyberopportunities as it is in any other opportunities for illegal activity. Just a note here, but this is one of the most common stereotypes about organized crime figures, and it's just not true. These guys are businessmen -- they won't turn down a deal just because it happens to be legal. Organized crime figures are proving flexible and adaptable in their exploitation of opportunities to make a profit -- they are not interested in illegal activity exclusively, they just don't give a damn whether a given opportunity happens to be legal or not. Bear
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