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[psychohistory] Designing a Legal System (fwd)

2001-08-23 Thread Jim Choate

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Subject: [psychohistory] Designing a Legal System

The legal system consists of the set of rules that determine apporiate and 
non-apporiate behaviour in a society, as well as its the people which enforce it. (For 
this discussion we will only include the rules portion.) It must make (sometimes 
conflicting) decisions that affect the lives of those it has justification over.

A poorly designed legal system, in the worst case scenerio, can wreak a society as 
much as, or worse than, an outbreak of war or uncontrollable disease. Less extreme 
cases can usually result in, but not limited, to the following:
1) bureaucratic inefficiency processing legal cases
2) the conviction of innocent parties
3) the non-remedy or incorrect remedy of undisireable behaviour
4) the inability to implement the rules and remedies
5) in the inefficient method of settlements between the wronged parties and the guilty 
ones.

One would also find it difficult to comply with a poorly designed legal system, for a 
legal system exists to reduce undesirable behavior against the values of society, and 
not to make as many things as undisireable as possible thus increasing the cost of 
participating in that society unneccessarily.

Our current legal systems operates much like an expert system, with thick rule books 
and lots of lawyers. The assumption behind this seems that, you can patch all the 
holes on the legal system if you have enough rules. However, according to Gödel's 
Incompleteness Theorm, such an undertaking would prove furtile because no one set of a 
system of rules can provide both a consistent structure nor a complete one.

This means, if you want a "fair" (as in consistent) laws and yet want these laws to 
cover everything, then dream on. Yet, the legal system continues, apparently unaware 
of this contradiction.

We had not also figured out the problem of having to learn and memorise such huge rule 
sets. Who (other than people working directly in the legal system and those with 
photographic memory, of course) can reasonably remember an encyclopedia's worth of 
such rules? Yet common law clearly states that ignorance of the law cannot excuse one 
from legal liability.

With each day, as new developments appear in our world that never existed previously 
which create new legal implications, the rule book only gets deeper. We also have a 
corresponding book of case laws that get even thicker still. Somehow, it would seem 
redicious to expect everyone to know all these rules.

Hence, I propose using the following systems in combination:

- Heuristic System

A heuristically based legal system would operate based on objectives instead of rules. 
First, we have to start from what we want to achieve. We may want to ensure our 
freedom (such as of the ability to publish freely (i.e. right of free speech)), or we 
may simply want to prevent overcrowding on buses that could increase accident rates.

Firstly, we must determine the fundemental objectives a society wishes to achieve, 
which we may call a society's value. These should not have too large a number or they 
will introduce additional complexities and perhaps inconsistents to the legal system. 
These principles will definitely create ambigulities, because of the "complete" nature.

We could include the following varieties:
1) Certain Freedom(s) (e.g. to publish freely, to self-actualise)
2) Persuit of Happiness
3) Preservation of the status quo

For each of those we choose or all of them, we must describe a vivid, accurate vision 
of how a society implementing these rules will look like. We cannot merely declare 
that one has the "right" to life, or liberty, or happiness, but we must describe and 
show our vision of a future society operate on these principles to clarify what we 
mean.

Going a step further, we then create a counter-vision, a dystrophic society that 
implements the opposite rules that we have. We also create a third vision, of someone 
managing to twist the principles of our society to their opposities, and what 
syndromes and problems will arrive with this. With this, we fight ambiguity with 
ambiguity which will hopefully tell us if we had made the right choice.

One (usually the founding members) must choose these principles carefully, for to 
change them would actually mean a change in the entire society and the systems of 
rules, introducing great instabilities. The same goes for the vision of the society, 
which one may update in accordance with future technology but not change.

Secondly, we have to state our objectives, and then we derive a set of general rules 
to prevent that. For instance, we could specify a certain formula for the vehicle 
overloading and allo

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Re: Shielding, Van Eck, and Faraday Cages

2001-08-23 Thread Adam Shostack


On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 08:05:52AM -0700, Tim May wrote:
| On Thursday, August 23, 2001, at 01:43 AM, Eugene Leitl wrote:
| 
| > On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Faustine wrote:
| >
| >> Have you happened to have seen any good papers on constructing do-it-
| >> yourself cheap, effective, portable shielding? Probably might as well
| >> ask for the moon too while I'm at it, but it's worth a shot!
| >
| > Using cast aluminum cases, copper foil shielding, tight glands which
| > preferably transport only optical signals or coax, using low power parts
| > which don't clock too many Hz, and the like.
| >
| > Even if you don't have access to a testing facility, careful work and 
| > some
| > thinking will eventually make you very, very silent.
| >
| 
| 
| Even without spectrum analyzers and the like, it's relatively easy to 
| test shielding: use a portable radio. Tune it to a couple of stations, 
| loud. Put in inside the Faraday cage. If you can still hear it, not very 
| effective. (Sound muffling should be second-order, but easy to take into 
| account.)

Theres an IEEE standard on doing this work, 299-1997, thats very
good, easy to understand and follow.

Adam



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Testing RF shielding

2001-08-23 Thread Tim May

On Thursday, August 23, 2001, at 05:32 AM, Eugene Leitl wrote:

>>
>> Testing is key.  If you don't measure, you don't know.
>
> Renting time in HF testing facilities is expensive. Do you have
> suggestions for a simple sniffer type of instrument, that detects the
> amplitude of a radiated field? Do FETs pick up HF fine?

See my other post.

Radios work fine. Even the leakage of a computer at much higher than 
radio frequencies still causes interference (beat frequencies, emissions 
at the lower frequencies). A blaring radio that becomes dead quiet when 
placed inside an enclosure is a pretty good indicator of good shielding.

There are also readily available things that operate at multi-gigahertz 
frequencies. 802.11, if I recall correctly. A simple test with Wavelan 
or Airport could be rigged. (The protocol will likely fail long before 
the signal fades out by enough db to be interesting, so you may have to 
put some metering on an analog output somewhere. )

Renting a spectrum analzyer is another choice, if you're serious about 
this. (Or buying one on the surplus market.)

But, like I said, we used a portable radio to test our Faraday cages.

> I intend to build me a wearable based on a LART type of board
>   http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/
>

A minor note. Your English is excellent, but  "I intend to build me 
a..." is not ideal grammar. "I intend to build myself a..." is the 
correct form. Your form is used by some native English speakers, though. 
Usually in the American south or rural west.

--Tim May

Shielding, Van Eck, and Faraday Cages

2001-08-23 Thread Tim May

On Thursday, August 23, 2001, at 01:43 AM, Eugene Leitl wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Faustine wrote:
>
>> Have you happened to have seen any good papers on constructing do-it-
>> yourself cheap, effective, portable shielding? Probably might as well
>> ask for the moon too while I'm at it, but it's worth a shot!
>
> Using cast aluminum cases, copper foil shielding, tight glands which
> preferably transport only optical signals or coax, using low power parts
> which don't clock too many Hz, and the like.
>
> Even if you don't have access to a testing facility, careful work and 
> some
> thinking will eventually make you very, very silent.
>

Even without spectrum analyzers and the like, it's relatively easy to 
test shielding: use a portable radio. Tune it to a couple of stations, 
loud. Put in inside the Faraday cage. If you can still hear it, not very 
effective. (Sound muffling should be second-order, but easy to take into 
account.)

To get fancier, instrument the radio. Put a meter on the speaker 
outputs.  Tune to several frequencies.

What can't get in can't get out. Though this RF method is mostly working 
in the RF spectrum, it gives a good indication of overall shielding. Can 
push this up in frequency in the obvious ways.

We used this method to test the Faraday cage I worked in when I was 
doing Josephson Junction stuff.

And using the same principle, one can listen to equipment with radios 
and t.v.s and gauge the effectiveness of shielding. (A signal that is 
attenuated by 90 db a few inches away will of course be hard for even 
trucks with large antennas to pick up a block away.)

There is much out there on building Faraday cages, either large ones or 
small ones. Search engines will turn up suppliers and papers.

The "heads up" displays of a couple of vendors are the likely long-term 
solution to a lot of supposed Van Eck radiation snooping.

--Tim May

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Re: Bomb Law Reporter - special edition

2001-08-23 Thread Eugene Leitl

On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, David Honig wrote:

> Just because you're German doesn't mean you can say 'tight glands'
> without a snicker.  'Highly conductive gaskets' is perhaps less likely

Um, how do you know I wrote it without a snicker? ;)

Actually, I was referring to cable ducts which can act as a waveguide.
Of course, a fiber is rather thin, and it can be wrapped with adhesive
copper strips, so that it wouldn't be just a hole.

> to amuse the more adolescent among us.
>
> Testing is key.  If you don't measure, you don't know.

Renting time in HF testing facilities is expensive. Do you have
suggestions for a simple sniffer type of instrument, that detects the
amplitude of a radiated field? Do FETs pick up HF fine?

I intend to build me a wearable based on a LART type of board
http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/

which will also house the crypto setup. Tempest proofing the rig will be
definitely part of the considerations. I see most problems with the
twiddler and the hud.

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Re: Testing RF Shielding

2001-08-23 Thread mmotyka


http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/avcom/psa-65Cspecanal.htm 

Not cheap but within reach. If someone gets serious I could get advice
about equipment and methods from a friend who did this sort of testing
for years.

If you don't have a Faraday cage and a spectrum analyzer and you still
want a rough idea of how noisy your device is you can tune an AM radio
to a vacant space between stations, crank up the volume, and listen for
your device's noise. Turn it on and off, press some buttons, you can
actually make some pretty good correlations between what you hear and
what your equipment is doing. 

There will probably be some nice configurable SW radios soon. I don't
know about sensitivity or noise problems that might go along with this
but it seems pretty interesting. Maybe someone who knows more could
comment.

Mike

RE: "Space War"

2001-08-23 Thread Bill Stewart


Bamford's book "Body of Secrets" has a lot of good discussion on
moon-bounce work by the NSA.  As Phillip wrote, two of the main
applications were passive eavesdropping on Soviet communucations
(though satellites later did a *much* better job) and
very non-directional communications to/from spy ships.

At 04:03 PM 08/06/2001 -0400, Phillip H. Zakas wrote:
> > John Young Wrote: [...]
> > What else is being done there remains to be disclosed.
>
>Two applications I've heard of:
>
>1.  Here's an excerpt from a US Navy press release:
>"Jim Trexler was Lorenzen's project engineer for PAMOR (PAssive MOon Relay,
>a.k.a. 'Moon Bounce'), which collected interior Soviet electronics and
>communication signals reflected from the moon."
>URL: http://www.pao.nrl.navy.mil/rel-00/32-00r.html
>
>2.  On another site: "...The new Liberty was a 455-foot-long spy ship
>crammed with listening equipment and specialists to operate it. The vessel's
>most distinctive piece of hardware was a sixteen-foot-wide dish antenna that
>could bounce intercepted intelligence off the moon to a receiving station in
>Maryland in a ten-thousand-watt microwave signal that enabled it to transmit
>large quantities of information without giving away the Liberty's location.*
>*The system, known as TRSSCOMM, for Technical Research Ship Special
>Communications, had to be pointed at a particular spot on the moon while a
>computer compensated for the ship's rolling and pitching. The computers and
>the antenna s hydraulic steering mechanism did not work well together,
>creating frequent problems."
>URL: http://www.euronet.nl/~rembert/echelon/db08.htm
>
>phillip

Re: 10'th Anniversary

2001-08-23 Thread Bill Stewart


At 04:17 PM 08/04/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>What would be the 'official' crank-up date on the Cypherpunks mailing list
>in 1992? Time for a 10 year anniversary.


Cranks have been up on the list since pretty near the beginning

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Re: Bomb Law Reporter - special edition

2001-08-23 Thread Faustine

david wrote:

> Faustine, look up Faraday cages, TEMPEST, and search the archives. As
> if you didn't know. 

I know, I was just hoping for a few meaningful shortcuts to achieving the 
full combination of "do-it-yourself" (because tinkering is more satisfying 
than COTS), "cheap"(limited funds; low on my priority 
list), "effective"(too much hokum floating around the subject), 
and "portable" (obvious). It's still a tall order, but I've found the 
discussion so far quite helpful. There you go!

~Faustine.

Re: Bomb Law Reporter - special TEMPEST edition

2001-08-23 Thread Bill Stewart

At 04:45 AM 08/23/2001 -0700, David Honig wrote:
>Faustine, look up Faraday cages, TEMPEST, and search the archives.
>As if you didn't know.  Succinctly, the electron gas in metals shields you
>from the electromagnetic antics of distant, radiating electrons, by
>shorting the
>ripples in the aether they make -and this shielding makes it harder to listen
>to your emissions, too.  The problem is that cables and ventilation vents
>are antennae,
>for sending and receiving both.
>
>Testing is key.  If you don't measure, you don't know.

This stuff was a *lot* easier when computers were slower.
I used to test my TEMPEST room at 450MHz, since that was high enough frequency
to cover any realistic level of emissions from the upper harmonics from the 
VAX,
and it was also a short enough wavelength that leaks were pretty detectable.
It doesn't take much to get a leak - copper foil on a joint wearing out,
or the copper mesh we'd stuff inside gaskets getting set unevenly.
The waveguides we used for fiber or air vents were typically 1/8 inch wide
and an inch or two deep - and if you pushed a paperclip halfway through you'd
twang the leak meter.

Well, that was fine for computers that were around 10MHz.
These days, when 1GHz is slow, there's tons of stray energy above that,
and that stuff is much more penetrating, plus you've got all the
100 and 133MHz memory and disk bus stuff.
Fortunately, the equipment runs at much lower power levels;
you can run on batteries instead of 208-volt 3-phase (:-),
but I'm still glad I don't have to design a room or even a box
for that level of tightness.

That room was still in active use with a VAX 8650; we retired it
about when we put in the Sparcstation 1 or 1+ - were those 25MHz?

Re: Top Firms Retreat Into Bunker To Ward Off 'Anarchists'

2001-08-23 Thread Bill Stewart

That's rather old news, and was even rather old news when the newspapers
discovered it; the "anarchist protestors" PR spin was just taking advantage
of current events to hook an article on.
Ben Laurie and thebunker.net are well known in cypherpunks circles,
and you'll find a fair bit of discussion in the cypherpunks archives.
IIRC, they were even bidding on a second bunker for expansion space,
though given the last 3 months' transition in the US internet hosting space 
market
(from "We're all building like mad!" to "Ohhh, n!  What a glut!")
I hope they're able to make the right financial choices.
The UK is probably not flooded with the things yet, and
while a nuclear-proof bunker may be overkill for offsite backup space,
you do need a certain level of security and reliable power
if you're in a business like banking that can't afford to lose data.

Also see the last month's worth of userfriendly.org/static cartoons

At 12:21 PM 08/22/2001 -0400, Matthew Gaylor wrote:
>From: "Moon Kat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Top firms retreat into bunker to ward off 'Anarchists'
>Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:46:41 +
>
>Hi Matt
>
>Not sure if you've seen this one already but here goes.  Quite where the 
>anti-capitalists are going to get a thermonuclear bomb from isn't 
>explained in the article but surely such a device would compromise their 
>"Neo-Luddite" principles anyway?
>
>Yours, in a fallout shelter, somewhere west of London
>
>dK
>
>
>
>
>TOP FIRMS RETREAT INTO BUNKER TO WARD OFF 'ANARCHISTS'
>
>"Some of Britain's biggest companies are running their Internet operations 
>on systems installed in a 300ft-deep nuclear blast-proof bunker to protect 
>customers from violent anti-capitalist campaigners. They are renting space 
>in hermetically sealed rooms capable of withstanding a one Kiloton 
>explosion, electro-magnetic 'pulse bombs', electronic eavesdropping and 
>chemical and biological warfare."

Shielding

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Re: Gnutella scanning instead of service providers.

2001-08-23 Thread Steve Mynott


"Gary Jeffers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Would it be possible to write some kind of scanner that would look
> at an ISP, say for example, htc.net and display all the Gnutella users
> there? We seem to be over the "fax effect" (a Snelling point?)

It's a one liner with the fairly standard UNIX tools that ship with
OpenBSD and at least SuSE Linux.

$ for i in `host -a -l -vv htc.net | grep ppp | awk '{print $5}'`; do nc -w 2 -z $i 
6346; done

(you can of course run gnutella on ports other than 6346)

-- 
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Shielding

2001-08-23 Thread mmotyka


One simple comment.

Below.

Bill Stewart wrote :
>At 04:45 AM 08/23/2001 -0700, David Honig wrote:
>>Faustine, look up Faraday cages, TEMPEST, and search the archives.
>>As if you didn't know.  Succinctly, the electron gas in metals shields you
>>from the electromagnetic antics of distant, radiating electrons, by
>>shorting the
>>ripples in the aether they make -and this shielding makes it harder to listen
>>to your emissions, too.  The problem is that cables and ventilation vents
>>are antennae,
>>for sending and receiving both.
>>
>>Testing is key.  If you don't measure, you don't know.
>
>This stuff was a *lot* easier when computers were slower.
>I used to test my TEMPEST room at 450MHz, since that was high enough frequency
>to cover any realistic level of emissions from the upper harmonics from the 
>VAX,
>and it was also a short enough wavelength that leaks were pretty detectable.
>It doesn't take much to get a leak - copper foil on a joint wearing out,
>or the copper mesh we'd stuff inside gaskets getting set unevenly.
>The waveguides we used for fiber or air vents were typically 1/8 inch wide
>and an inch or two deep - and if you pushed a paperclip halfway through you'd
>twang the leak meter.
>
>Well, that was fine for computers that were around 10MHz.
>These days, when 1GHz is slow, there's tons of stray energy above that,
>and that stuff is much more penetrating, plus you've got all the
>
The skin depth is proportional to f^(-0.5).

The skin depth for Cu at 100MHz is about 0.00026". 
At 1600MHZ it should be ~0.65

I think maybe 'sneakier' ( because of its smaller wavelength ) is closer
than 'more penetrating' ( it is actually less penetrating in a conductor
).

Mike

>100 and 133MHz memory and disk bus stuff.
>Fortunately, the equipment runs at much lower power levels;
>you can run on batteries instead of 208-volt 3-phase (:-),
>but I'm still glad I don't have to design a room or even a box
>for that level of tightness.

Airwave Anarchy: The revolution will not be texted

2001-08-23 Thread Anonymous Coredump


The revolution will not be texted

http://www.channel4news.co.uk/home/20010821/4text.ram
(It's the last article, check Wed 21st Aug, Special Reports for more
details)

The Philippines claim they used text messages to help bring down the
last government. Their lack of respect for the present government has
led to demands controlling the use of text messages - a task Ian
Williams discovers is easier said than done

--

Channel 4 News ran this story on the SMS craze engulfing the
Philippines (oh those crazy Filipinos!) and the uncontrollable
rumourmongering(TM) of the new technological generation.

Spreading like wildfire from handset to handset, sex scandals about
leading party members (including one accused of being chased naked
through the Manila Hilton by an angry husband) have caused calls for
clampdowns by the afore mentioned.

Exaggerated reports of the Pope's demise even brought the Church into
the fray, calling for sanity (or "sanity") on the MISinformation Super
Highway.

"Bob", who was expelled from college for spreading rumours about a
teacher, revealed that he sometimes sends upwards of 100 rumours a day
(but only when he has a _really bad_ day).  He operates using 3
unregistered SIM cards, buys pay-as-you-go credits and spends up to 6
hours a day tapping out messages.  Cellphones have been implicated in
organising the rallies that brought about the end of the last
government, and now the new government is feeling a cold breeze on its
testicles...

One interviewed government official has called for mandatory ID when
you buy phone credits, likening this to "requiring a prescription when
you buy Viagra".  (Obviously he has his reputation to think of.)

This has relevance to those cellphone-mixmasters (WalkMasters? For
WalkerPunks?) that were discussed a few weeks ago.  What are the
chances of coding CypherSaber/RC4 for Java enabled cellphones (and I
don't mean for voice data!) and a little forwarding app?  We now have
a proven market.

--
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Re: Send Law Students, Idealists and Grant Proposals. Was: Re: Lawyers, Guns, and Money

2001-08-23 Thread r . duke

At 18:07 22/08/2001 -0400, dmolnar wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > the Internet & law? There are a few such groups, I think. I'm pretty sure
> > Harvard has
> > one. Do things like that only make a difference if you manage to publish
>
>The Berkman Center for Internet and Society.
>
>http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/

Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of. I've had a look around, and can't 
actually find many other similar groups. Mind you, most of the lawyers I've 
spoken to seem feel that the Internet is nothing new, legally. This leads 
me to think that lawyers on the whole, are not particularly imaginative or 
attentive people.

>They also have a newsletter, "The Filter," which is sometimes interesting.
>This year they started running a 5-day "Internet Law Program of
>Instruction,"  if you happen to have a spare $2500.

Oh hurrah. A bargain.

>(Tangentially, who attends MIT's 6.87s? and what do they do
>with it afterwards? I've received solicitations to attend via mail for the
>past couple of years; I suspect because I am an ACM SIGSAC member.
>http://web.mit.edu/professional/summer/courses/computer/6.87s.html
>If *anyone* could get the material across in 4 days, it would be those two
>-- but I'm not sure that this is possible...)

Four days for all that? Perhaps it involves time travel.

++rd

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OPT: Inferno: Fw: [nycwireless] Seattle Weekly - "The revolution may be wireless" (fwd)

2001-08-23 Thread Jim Choate



-- Forwarded message --

- Original Message -
From: "Anthony Townsend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Telecom-Cities" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:33 AM
Subject: [nycwireless] Seattle Weekly - "The revolution may be wireless"


> http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0129/tech-fleishman.shtml
>
> Published July 19 - 25, 2001
>
> The revolution may be wireless: Northwest networkers work toward a
complete
> communications grid, minus the corporate interest.
>
> BY GLENN FLEISHMAN
>
> WHEN I WAS A KID, before I discovered theater and girls, a friendly
amateur
> radio operator (a "ham") took me under his wing, helped me learn Morse
code,
> and introduced me to the joys of talking to people all over the world
using
> a transmitter.
>
> Fade quickly into adolescence, acting, and acne, and I could barely
remember
> the dits and dahs--ham slang for dots and dashes--to tap out an SOS.
>
> But those days return vividly when I speak with techie sophisticates who
are
> building their own free community wireless networks, networks which,
> coincidentally, share some open radio frequencies with hams.
>
> These networkers string their tin-can network--sans string but including
> some real cans--from apartment to storefront to rooftop for no better
reason
> than because they can and because it's cool. The fact that it's useful,
> helps the public good by expanding free access, lets them meet their
> neighbors ("Hi, I'm running a free network"), and might even put the
screws
> to cell companies and telco giants--these are but lagniappe.
>
> Adam Shand, the organizer of a late June summit in Portland, Ore., of
these
> network builders and advocates, thinks that the interest stems from it
being
> a "fun geek problem." As to the upshot of it all, he says, "No one's quite
> sure yet; we don't know what our ending goal is."
>
> Seattle finds itself with a growing group of enthusiasts led, as much as
any
> group of this kind can be led, by Matt Westervelt under the rubric Seattle
> Wireless (www.seattlewireless.net). Matt and others have collected a few
> dozen geographically dispersed nodes in homes and places like Aurafice
Cafe
> on Capitol Hill. They are nearing the point where they stitch these points
> into a sprawling, mostly seamless grid using cheap, off-the-shelf, and
even
> homemade equipment.
>
> The Seattle crew and dozens of similar networks around the world rely on
> IEEE 802.11b (or Wi-Fi), the industry standard for high-speed, low-power
> wireless. It doesn't require a license to broadcast on the frequencies it
> uses in the 2.4 gigahertz band; Wi-Fi uses some of the thinly apportioned,
> unlicensed free public spectrum.
>
> Wi-Fi runs at very low power due to FCC limits, but it can still span
dozens
> to hundreds of feet indoors through walls and floors; the high frequency
> allows the radio waves to pass through. Outdoors, however, the distance
> expands dramatically. Twenty-mile line-of-sight tests using cheap
equipment
> were successful, and I've heard of many working multiple-mile links.
>
> The 802.11b protocol allows central access points (APs) to coordinate
> networks of machines or to connect multiple wired networks. Dozens of
> manufacturers make APs, as well as PC cards for laptops, PCI cards for
> desktops, USB and Ethernet adapters for older machines, and special
modules
> for handhelds like the Handspring Visor.
>
> With enough density of APs, you can build a seamless network allowing both
> indoor and outdoor use at speeds of megabits per second. You could walk
> around with a laptop streaming video off the Net with nary an
interruption.
> (A Wall Street Journal story earlier this year followed someone doing just
> that around London.)
>
> Most volunteers' nodes have a high-speed DSL or cable modem connection to
> the Internet. The volunteers are engaging in anarchic enlightened
> self-interest: By freely sharing their bandwidth, they're increasing the
> value and coverage of the entire network, making it more likely for others
> to join and share as well. (It warms my heart, reminding me strongly of
the
> 1994-vintage barely commercial Internet.)
>
> These volunteers typically also have the advantage of access to their own
> roofs and windows, where they mount cheap, sometimes homemade high-gain
> antennas that extend the range and sensitivity of a network.
>
> This is where the free networkers believe they have an advantage over
> commercial services, such as MobileStar (www.mobilestar.com), Starbucks'
> wireless networking partner (see "Wired But Wireless," May 31). Commercial
> outfits would have to make their own, presumably fee-based arrangements to
> locate and service antennas and high-speed network connections.
>
> It's hard to call free wireless networking a movement, because the dozens
of
> organizations and thousands of individuals involved are scattered around
the
> globe. But a loose affiliation has started to devel

Re: Lawyers, Guns, and Money

2001-08-23 Thread Greg Broiles


>I just don't see spending 3-4 years in law school as being very exciting. 
>And I don't mean my personal opinion of whether I'd go to law school or 
>not: I mean that not much exciting work is being done by lawyers. Most are 
>tucked-away in cubicles, in government offices, in small one-person 
>offices scattered hither and yon. Processing wills. Forwarding escrow 
>documents. Reviewing divorce papers. Ugh.
>
>But people should do what really drives them. Anyone going into law this 
>late in the boom just to make money is probably going to be in for a rude 
>awakening. Ditto for anyone going into it in order to do pro bono work on 
>Cypherpunks issues.

Yeah. People thinking about law school should spend some time talking with 
currently practicing (or non-practicing) attorneys and validate their 
assumptions and expectations before investing years of their lives and tens 
of thousands of dollars. The practice of law isn't what it looks like from 
the movies and TV - mostly what people don't understand is that the 
practice of law is a business, and it's a service business, where revenue 
is directly linked to hours of human effort applied to market demand. If 
the demand's not there, or the human effort's not there, there's no revenue 
- nor if the clients can't pay. Attorneys who make a lot of money do so 
only by leveraging the efforts of junior attorneys and support staff, just 
like any other service business, and consequently spend a significant 
amount of time managaing and marketing instead of lawyering.

None of the prominent Cypherpunk trials have featured defendants with the 
budget to hire defense counsel, nor the inclination to turn over strategic 
or tactical decisions to their attorneys. Those trials weren't 
opportunities to make lots of money, or show off one's learned skills - 
they were tar pits of malpractice and resentment.

(That doesn't mean the prosecutions or convictions were necessarily 
reasonable, nor that the defendants deserved what happened to them, but 
they weren't situations where some Legal Lone Ranger was needed to ride 
onto the scene and save the day.)

Even the current prosecution of Dmitri Sklyarov is being handled in a 
non-cypherpunk way (and that's good for him) - e.g., no full-court-press on 
Constitutional grounds, his attorney is talking quietly with his colleagues 
in the US Attorney's office, likely to positive results for Sklyarov. 
Firebreathing, Stallman-quoting Disney-DMCA-Adobe-hating activist-lawyers 
wouldn't make things better here.

People who want to make money or privacy should look to technology long 
before they look to law - law is slow, conservative, and full of fussy 
rules. Just write code.

I find that Oliver Wendell Holmes' commentary "The Path of the Law", 
written in 1897, is still incredibly insightful and on-topic regarding the 
relationship between law, morality, and the utility of a legal education, 
especially as discussed on the list. It's available (following a ridiculous 
amount of Project Gutenberg legal and marketing horseshit) at 
.


--
Greg Broiles
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"We have found and closed the thing you watch us with." -- New Delhi street kids

Re: Quantum Computation/Cryptography at Los Alamos

2001-08-23 Thread Tim May

On Thursday, August 23, 2001, at 03:17 PM, Faustine wrote:

> Los Alamos develops quantum crypto system
> By Chappell Brown
> Electrical Engineering Times
> (08/23/01, 1:06 p.m. EST)
>
>
> LOS ALAMOS, N.M.  Engineers at Los Alamos National Laboratory have
> developed what they believe is a practical quantum cryptographic system.
> The system features two portable units that can encrypt and decrypt
> information transmitted via photons. Experiments have shown that 
> encryption
> keys can be sent via free-space transmission at distances of up to 6 
> miles.
> The system could be used to ensure safe communications between 
> satellites.
>
> Quantum cryptography uses the fundamental law of quantum mechanics: Any
> observation of a system changes its state. Since photons are elementary
> particles, they are subject to the law. If a third party attempts to 
> "tune
> in" to the encrypted transmission, the quantum state of the photons will
> change, allowing the eavesdropping to be detected.
>

Faustine is becoming the new Jim Choate, regurgitating old topics, 
lecturing us on what she/he/it thinks we don't know, and forwarding 
items which were stale years ago.

Clue: This list is not just a dumping ground for anything with the word 
"crypto" in it.

Metaclue: get a clue.

ObFaustineWhine/Predictable: "Some of us are Important Researchers, 
being paid to sit in our cubicles and surf the Net. Just because we 
learned about this list last month does not mean we don't have the 
_right_ to forward everything we learn about crypto to this list!"

--Tim May

Re: Send Law Students, Idealists and Grant Proposals. Was: Re: Lawyers, Guns, and Money

2001-08-23 Thread r . duke

At 15:32 23/08/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>At 09:48 PM 8/23/2001 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Mind you, most of the lawyers I've spoken to seem feel that the Internet 
>>is nothing new, legally. This leads me to think that lawyers on the 
>>whole, are not particularly imaginative or attentive people.
>
>An alternate explanation might be that our legal tradition goes back, in 
>some cases, to Roman times, and has already proven flexible and adaptable 
>enough to encompass whatever flavor-of-the-week technologists are excited 
>about now. It's not like technological change, in itself, is unheard of.

Often true, but new technologies can necessitate new interpretations of 
laws which were not written well enough to translate smoothly to the newest 
"flavour or the week" technology.

>What exactly is it that you think is new about the Internet, legally speaking?

I would have thought that new interpretations of things like federal and 
state jurisdictions would be needed. Given the arguments over the recent 
decision on Yahoo from France, I'd say there are questions to be answered. 
Is a company under your jurisdiction as soon as you can see its servers? 
Are ISPs carriers, or providers? What about their webservers, which store 
and provide, as opposed to simply carrying?

Tell me if I'm wildly off base - I don't mind, but it seems to me that at 
the moment, these issues are not obvious and written in stone.

>>>They also have a newsletter, "The Filter," which is sometimes interesting.
>>>This year they started running a 5-day "Internet Law Program of
>>>Instruction,"  if you happen to have a spare $2500.
>>
>>Oh hurrah. A bargain.
>
>That's not bad, as things go, for a week of classes, if they're giving 
>MCLE credits and have a nice continental breakfast. It's not like the 
>attendees are expected to pay for this out of their own pockets.

Actually, I stand corrected - it's no more than your average technical 
training course (Sun, etc). Given that it's something I'd have to pay for, 
instead of my employer, it seemed expensive. Things always look more 
affordable when you can get your manager to sign them off.

++rd

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Re: Top Firms Retreat Into Bunker To Ward Off 'Anarchists'

2001-08-23 Thread David Honig

At 09:26 AM 8/23/01 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:
>while a nuclear-proof bunker may be overkill for offsite backup space,
>you do need a certain level of security and reliable power

Also the bunkers have excellent ventilation systems and a cool
ambient temp.  The "3-phase" boxes like that.

Might suck to be in an underground bunker if the Halon systems go off,
though...

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