Re: NOTAM: GA prohibited w/in 10 miles of nuke plants

2001-10-30 Thread John Young

Sure. Don't go for the hard-headed containment structure,
knock out the soft-shelled control facility which regulates
cooling pumps. The reactor will do the rest just as effectively
as planes weakened the towers so they would self-destruct.

It is truely strange that the Pentagon was hit rather than
the soft-shells downtown. Probably a feint or a blunder
by a pilot nearly insane.

Nuclear power plants are likely a feint as well, with so
many soft-shells ready to eat -- refineries, airports,
seaports, suspension bridges, most domestic military
bases, universities, national labs, mega-malls, on and
on, look around you where all the gov-terrified people 
bunch for safety in numbers.

The experts here predict a mid-West target just to freak
the true interior homeland which everyone believes they
can retreat to. Draw a half dozen vectors connecting
the publicized targets and see where they intersect.
That point won't be far from Cheyenne Mountain, not the
hardened bunker but its vulnerable support system -- 
most of which remains identifiable on the Net because 
it is not military or government, you know, the collaterals.




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[ISN] Commentary: The Threat Of Microsofts .Net (fwd)

2001-10-30 Thread Jim Choate



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http://www.kingpublishing.com/fc/new_technology/commentary.htm

BY WHITFIELD DIFFIE AND SUSAN LANDAU

For more than two centuries Americans have prided themselves on
protecting their freedom by limiting the concentration of power. With
its famous balance of power, the U.S. Constitution divides federal
power among the three branches of government, while the Bill of Rights
provides other checks all of which have served the country well.

With new threats have come new protections. In the nineteenth century,
corporations grew and multiplied, and some amassed the kind of power
we had always sought to limit in our own government. Anti-trust laws
were passed to guarantee that commercial power would be distributed
among competing companies in every sector of business.

These protections have also served us well.

But now a new threat has arisen that may be less obvious but more
dangerous.

While computer and communication technology have enhanced our lives in
many ways, they have also caused fundamental changes that make
protecting ourselves from the concentration of power more
difficult--in part because these technologies have made it feasible to
build organizations that are larger and more globally-distributed than
ever before. The result: we need to be more alert to potential abuses
of power.

The fact that everything is interconnected makes it possible to
concentrate power in a new way. A business that holds a monopoly in
one area may be able to use its influence to extend its monopoly in
entirely new ways. This is what is happening as Microsoft attempts to
extend its monopoly over personal computer operating systems into the
Internet world.

Microsoft .NET (pronounced dot net') is a far-reaching project to
channel the personal information of all customers who browse, shop,
and congregate on the Internet into Microsoft or Microsoft-controlled
companies. It is made up of components: Passport establishes an
individual's identity on the Internet .NET My Services collects

various pieces of private information--including .NET Contacts, .NET
Location, .NET Inbox, .NET Documents, .NET Devices, and .NET Wallet.

The control over computer software that Microsoft has achieved through
its dominance of operating systems has limited competition and
innovation throughout the computer field.  Through .NET, it is
attempting to exert the same control over all Internet commerce. Just
as kings got to grant or deny royal charters to businesses, the
Redmond giant, if successful, may be able to say who can do business
on the Net and who can't.

But there is another and more immediate problem with .NET--something
that could evolve from a problem to a national crisis even if
Microsoft is well behaved or well regulated in the use of its new
powers.  That is the problem of security, as opposed to privacy.

What is the difference? If Microsoft knows everything about
everyone--and the information being collected by Passport and My
Services make that look quite likely--the company could still be
constrained in how it uses that information by laws or corporate
privacy policies. That presupposes, however, that Microsoft is
actually in control of the information it has collected.

Microsofts security record is nothing to brag about. Windows is the
most widely used yet one of the least secure operating systems around.
Microsoft programs have shown themselves vulnerable to worms, viruses,
and break-ins, on Microsoft's own computers and on everybody else's.
The Melissa virus spread through Microsoft's word processing and
e-mail programs, sending itself to the first 50 people in each of the
infected machine's address lists. A year later the ILOVEYOU virus
infected the Web through a different part of Microsofts e-mail
package. More recently Microsoft's own internal systems were hacked,
and the intruders spent over a month accessing system source code,
likened to Microsoft's crown jewels, before their unlawful entry was
discovered.

Why should Passport be any different? Early security analyses show
that compromises made for the sake of universal availability make
Passport less secure than it might have been, less secure than it
should be, and perhaps just plain insecure. The My Services databases
will be a particularly ripe target for hackers. (Since all users of
Microsoft's free Hotmail service have Passports, many unknowingly,
there are already 160 million Passpo

NOTAM: GA prohibited w/in 10 miles of nuke plants

2001-10-30 Thread Karsten M. Self

Copied from a friend, generally reliable.  NOTAMs are eventually posted
to a few publicly available sites:

!FDC 1/1763 FDC PART 1 OF 6 TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS OVER
NUCLEAR SITES. FOR REASONS OF NATIONAL SECURITY. EFFECTIVE
IMMEDIATELY UNTIL NOVEMBER 07, 2001 0500 UTC. PURSUANT TO TITLE 14
CFR SECTIONS 91.139, EMERGENCY AIR TRAFFIC RULES AND 99.7 SPECIAL
SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS. ALL GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE
PROHIBITED WITHIN A 10 NAUTICAL MILES RADIUS OF AND BELOW 18000 FEET
MSL OVER THE BELOW LISTED NUCLEAR SITES EXCEPT FOR MEDEVAC, LAW
ENFORCEMENT, RESCUE/RECOVERY, EMERGENCY EVACUATION AND FIRE FIGHTING
OPERATIONS WHEN AUTHORIZED BY ATC:

He continues:

I've got no idea what the hell they're doing, but damn, a GA plane
wouldn't do more than scratch the friggen concrete on a nuke plant.

(It was wondered what a plane crash would do, so a F-4 Phantom II
was rammed into a containment wall at 600+ MPH, it penetrated 2.5
inches. (Its a 6 foot wall).

G. Insane restrictions. Bullyboys in uniforms pushing around,
people held illegally.

Sounds like the feds are treating the current "credible threat" as broad
and shutting down all options.  Anyone care to posit a scenario in which
GA could threaten a nuke?

Peace.

--
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RE: Transperancy Spray?

2001-10-30 Thread Reese

At 06:05 PM 10/30/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :

>>I think freon is incredibly inert, that's why it's used.
>>
>Since there are so many ways to protect the contents of the message the
>freon topic is not all that interesting. It would be mildly amusing if
>there were a way to detect that freon had been used on a piece of paper.
>I would guess that it could be done by either finding an "ink" that was
>dissolved by freon or some other material that would sit happily in
>place until lifted and dispersed.
>
>http://solvdb.ncms.org/syn01.htm a fun solvents database - not too
>useful here
>
>http://www.redwop.com/technotes.asp?ID=107 not really relevant but
>interesting
>
>Freon seems to be ( or have been ) used mostly for degreasing.

It was, now it is being phased out because freon is damaging to the
ozone layer.  Try locating some R-12 for your automotive a/c system,
time was you could buy little 12 oz bottles in do-it-yourself kits
at every corner parts store.

Reese






RE: Transperancy Spray?

2001-10-30 Thread Reese

At 04:52 PM 10/30/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On 30 Oct 2001, at 14:51, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
>
>> Mike [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
>> 
>> > I would bet that there is SOMETHING that
>> > is dissolved by liquid freon. Just mark
>> > your letters with the stuff and look for
>> > the integrity of the mark at the other end.
>> 
>> Or... is there something that REACTS to freon in an interesting way...?
>> 
>> 
>>  S a n d y
>> 
>> 
>I think freon is incredibly inert, that's why it's used.

Heat freon up enough, it turns into phosgene gas (as it breaks down
into simpler components).  The CBR types call that Blood Agent.  
Just think of how carbon monoxide supplants oxygen in your red blood 
cells, that's what phosgene gas does.  I do not seem to remember the 
critical temperature but a lit cigarette will do it.

Reese




RE: Transperancy Spray?

2001-10-30 Thread mmotyka

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
>On 30 Oct 2001, at 14:51, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
>
>> Mike [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
>> 
>> > I would bet that there is SOMETHING that
>> > is dissolved by liquid freon. Just mark
>> > your letters with the stuff and look for
>> > the integrity of the mark at the other end.
>> 
>> Or... is there something that REACTS to freon in an interesting way...?
>> 
>> 
>>  S a n d y
>> 
>> 
>I think freon is incredibly inert, that's why it's used.
>
Since there are so many ways to protect the contents of the message the
freon topic is not all that interesting. It would be mildly amusing if
there were a way to detect that freon had been used on a piece of paper.
I would guess that it could be done by either finding an "ink" that was
dissolved by freon or some other material that would sit happily in
place until lifted and dispersed.

http://solvdb.ncms.org/syn01.htm a fun solvents database - not too
useful here

http://www.redwop.com/technotes.asp?ID=107 not really relevant but
interesting

Freon seems to be ( or have been ) used mostly for degreasing. Could you
make some sort of nondrying oil-based marker that would blur or weaken
when drenched with freon? Probably. Buy some raw artist's pigment and
mill it with a non-drying grease that is too thick to migrate
appreciably over the time period of interest when applied to paper.
Wetting with solvent would probably cause damage to a mark.

Mike


>My impression is that virtually any transparent
>liquid will do a reasonable job of making the envelope transparent,
>but the considerations are that you'd want something that doesn't
>leave a residue and won'tr make the ink run.  
>
>I believe that paper is white for the reason that snow is (as opposed 
>to the reason that titanium oxide is), that is, you've got a bunch of 
>surfaces where the index of refraction changes significantly from 
>that of air and there's a chance of reflection at each surface, but the
>actual paper fibers are transparent.  The liquid you spray on is
>filling in the gaps with something with an index of refraction much
>closer to that of the paper fibers. 
>
>Pretty sure that's more or less how they work.  Definately there's
>no chemical reaction going on.
>
Sounds like a good explanation.

>George  




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Dear Future Millionaire:

I'll make you a promise. READ THIS E-MAIL TO THE END! - follow what it
says to the letter - and you will not worry whether a RECESSION is 
coming
or not, who is President, or whether you keep your current job or not. 
Yes, I know
what you are thinking. I never responded to one of these before either. 
One day
though, something just said "you throw away $25.00 going to a movie for 
2
hours with your wife". "What the heck." Believe me, no matter where you 
believe
"those feelings" come from, I thank goodness every day that I had that 
feeling.
I cannot imagine where I would be or what I would be doing had I not. 
Read
on. It's true. Every word of it. It is legal. I checked. Simply 
because
you are buying and selling something of value.

AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV:

Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home.

THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET!
==
BE AN INTERNET MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!!

Before you say ''Bull'', please read the following. This is the letter
you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity 
of
this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently 
devoted
an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to 
see if it
really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not 
the
program was legal.

Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO
Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can 
"follow
the simple instruction" they are bound to make some mega bucks with 
only
$25 out of pocket cost''.
DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS
PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER.

This is what one had to say: '' Thanks to this profitable opportunity". 
I
was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so 
glad
I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the
minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received a 
total $
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==
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believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I
decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and
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only made $240.00
but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, 
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and I am
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and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, ===

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If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily
and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and 
AGAIN
!!!



FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS
WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED!

INSTRUCTIONS:

=Order all 5 reports shown on the list below =

For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU
ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears
ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON
YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems.

===WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER, MAKE SURE ===
===YOU ORDER EACH OF THE 5 REPORTS! ===
You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer
and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5 = $25.00.

Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports
from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they 
will
be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order 
them
from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk 
in case
something happens to your computer.

IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to
each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what 
is
instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on the
majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you 
will also see how
it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been 
tested, and
if you alter it, it will NOT work !!! People have tried to put their
friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the 
money.
But it does not work this way. Believe us, some have tried to be greedy 
and then nothing
happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is 
instructed.
Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps 
the reward!!!
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RE: Transperancy Spray?

2001-10-30 Thread georgemw

On 30 Oct 2001, at 14:51, Sandy Sandfort wrote:

> Mike [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> 
> > I would bet that there is SOMETHING that
> > is dissolved by liquid freon. Just mark
> > your letters with the stuff and look for
> > the integrity of the mark at the other end.
> 
> Or... is there something that REACTS to freon in an interesting way...?
> 
> 
>  S a n d y
> 
> 
I think freon is incredibly inert, that's why it's used.

My impression is that virtually any transparent
liquid will do a reasonable job of making the envelope transparent,
but the considerations are that you'd want something that doesn't
leave a residue and won'tr make the ink run.  

I believe that paper is white for the reason that snow is (as opposed 
to the reason that titanium oxide is), that is, you've got a bunch of 
surfaces where the index of refraction changes significantly from 
that of air and there's a chance of reflection at each surface, but the
actual paper fibers are transparent.  The liquid you spray on is
filling in the gaps with something with an index of refraction much
closer to that of the paper fibers. 

Pretty sure that's more or less how they work.  Definately there's
no chemical reaction going on.

George  




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2001-10-30 Thread Netwebs

AMERICANS: BreakFree from Government Control/Interference!
==
The GOVERNMENT thinks it OWNS you! 
It thinks YOU are its PROPERTY!

You can BREAK their grip on you, and TAKE CONTROL of 
yourself and your property (including earnings) -- so 
they can NEVER confiscate ANY of it, ever again! You 
can learn how to:

* FORCE the IRS to pay any tax liabilities FOR you!
* HALT Mortgage Foreclosures!
* STOP Credit Card liens!
* KILL Lawsuits!
* TAKE CONTROL of any trial and force the Judge to give 
  YOU the Order of the Court.
* and, much, much more!

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Re: Napster execs needing culling

2001-10-30 Thread Declan McCullagh

On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 02:59:26PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 06:31:49AM -0800, Khoder bin Hakkin ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> wrote:
> 
> > Compulsory licensing = theft, buddy.
> 
> Misappropriation, not theft.  These aren't material goods.  You might
> also read the Wind Done Gone ruling and reexamine exlusive rights to see
> what you own under copyright in a work -- hint:  it's not the work.

It all depends on your view of intellectual property.

I license photos to news organizations and other publishers. I've
licensed about $250 worth of them in three (admittedly relatively
low-value each) transactions today. If forced by the government to
license my photos at a certain rate, in principle I wouldn't be
thrilled. In practice it would depend on the per-photo rate, but
somehow I think I can do a better job of negotiating on my own. Also I
would not expect to be able to influence the Copyright Office to see
things my way in the first place.

-Declan




Re: Napster execs needing culling

2001-10-30 Thread Jim Choate


On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Adam Shostack wrote:

> Perhaps you should expand your analysis to non-excludable goods (those 
> things which, like air, don't get used up).

Air (O2) does get used up. Kill the algea and the trees and see how long
you can breath.


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Re: Transperancy Spray?

2001-10-30 Thread Dr. Evil

> Or... is there something that REACTS to freon in an interesting way...?

Freon (chloro difloromethane) is pretty inert stuff, as far as I know.
According to the MSDS (Dupont:
http://www.dupont.com/msds/40_37_2008fr.html), it is stable but
"Incompatible with alkali or alkaline earth metals--powdered Al, Zn,
Be, etc."  I'm not sure what "incompatible" means here.  Finely
powdered Al can be pretty reactive stuff, with many things besides
freon.

It's a pretty good organic solvent I would think, so you could easily
find some dye which would disolve in it.  If it disolves easily in
gasoline (or tricholormethane, even better), it would probably also
disolve easily in freon, so you could test some things.  In fact, a
smudge of light grease in the right shape might be able to indicate
that freon has been used.

Maybe we should just stick with email?  Anyway, how often do you think
this stuff is actually used in real life?  Interesting to talk about,
but hardly relevant to anything, I would think.

Btw, are we sure that this spray is just plain old freon?  I looked
around and I couldn't see any hints about the composition of this
spray.




Re: Transperancy Spray?

2001-10-30 Thread mmotyka

>> Well, I was watching CNN and it looks like the Postal workers now are
>> armed with a new weapon.. Against terror of course.  THe whole cant read
>> someone elses mail thing is out the window it looks like, they can spray
>> this go on the letter and read through the envelope..  It seems
>> implausable but its CNN, they dont lie right? well ANYWAYS, I now have a
>> nice stash of black construction paper...
>
Yes, that would work nicely as the outside sheet.

>"You spray it on and it temporarily makes the envelope clear," said
>Robert Schlegel, vice-president of the makers, Mistral Security, of
>Maryland. "It leaves an odor for 10 to 15 minutes, but there is no
>smudging of ink, no stain, no evidence at all. The envelope is
>transparent for a few minutes and you can respray it hundreds of
>times without leaving any stain."
>
I would bet that there is SOMETHING that is dissolved by liquid freon.
Just mark your letters with the stuff and look for the integrity of the
mark at the other end.

The USPS won't be checking mail this way anytime soon. If they were they
would use some sort of freon recovery system to contain costs.

Oh, well, it will soon be time to go buy $2.95 stamps to pay for UV,
E-beam, freon and zoot suits.

Mike




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Re: Transparency Spray

2001-10-30 Thread Incognito Innominatus

...is nothing more than liquid freon.
Save yourself the 10x markup and buy
your own from an Optics type store.
Daub it on an envelope and trip out.


gatton




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2001-10-30 Thread Roy M. Silvernail

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unrelated search.  The first hit for googling "spy serial connection" 
is:

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Think the fibbies used this on that gangsta guy? ;)

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Re: Napster execs needing culling

2001-10-30 Thread Adam Shostack

On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 06:31:49AM -0800, Khoder bin Hakkin wrote:
| Napster Wants License to License
| By Michael Stroud
| LOS ANGELES -- Napster CEO Konrad Hilbers says the
| government should consider
| compulsory standards requiring music labels to license music
| at a fair price if they
| don't close deals with Napster and other independent
| distributors.
[...]
| Compulsory licensing = theft, buddy.

Perhaps you should expand your analysis to non-excludable goods (those 
things which, like air, don't get used up).

The government grants people who've created stories, songs, and other
works certain rights in those works.  The set of rights that they've
been granted has changed dramatically over time, usually driven by new 
technology, such as the printing press, the radio, or the internet.

Compulsory licensing of something that the government gave you is very 
different from compulsory licensing of something you created.
Further, compulsory licensing of a non-excludable good (such as TV
broadcasts) is very different from compulsory licensing of an
excludable good, such as your computer.



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Re: Singing The War Prayer

2001-10-30 Thread Incognito Innominatus

measley,
-I- am an idiot?
Wow, that sorta hurts. 
I am an idiot because I believe to 
a great degree that the USA in danger
thats nice. Thanks for making me feel at
home.

Cant effectively rebut my statement,
so you insult me, and not even creatively!
which causes more hurt feelings. I really do
feel hurt, its weird. Maybe its because I 
am normally sleeping right now and I feel 
out of it, or perhaps I am excited that 
my beloved Knicks are going to break 
Jordans ass open tonight... right there at MSG. 
Perhaps I am extra touchy because I havent been 
laid since saturday, and thats what I consider a 
dry spell.

Well, you are an insensitive, uncreative jerk.


fascism-
A system of government marked by centralization of authority 
under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression 
of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically 
a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. 
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating 
such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control. 


Where do you see my advocation of any of these?
You simply dont and wont ever. 

Does a fascist state encompass all of those listed traits? Or
just one, or shades of one and none of the other, or perhaps
bits of all?
Define your terms before you use them, not knowing what they are.
I am all for guns, but shit, dont wave one around if you dont
know how to use it, it may go off in your face. If you wave around
your proud lexicon like that, I am amazed that you still have a 
face and that someone hasnt shot it off for you.



gatton




Napster execs needing culling

2001-10-30 Thread Khoder bin Hakkin

Napster Wants License to License
By Michael Stroud

2:00 a.m. Oct. 30, 2001 PST

 LOS ANGELES -- Napster CEO Konrad Hilbers says the
government should consider
compulsory standards requiring music labels to license music
at a fair price if they
don't close deals with Napster and other independent
distributors.

"Like any other business person, I'm hesitant to bring
government in," Hilbers said.
"But government has an obligation to set standards. If
there's no agreement, the
government should consider compulsory licensing."

 http://wired.com/news/mp3/0,1285,47977,00.html

Compulsory licensing = theft, buddy.




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2001-10-30 Thread Jim Choate

http://slashdot.org/articles/01/10/30/0910244.shtml
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Re: CDR: Ashcroft prepares for martial law

2001-10-30 Thread measl



On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Unlike America's Most Wanted the new dire but vague warnings are
> unlikely to cause citizens to uncover a massive new plot, I doubt they
> would have uncovered the 911 even if predictions of impending trouble
> have been announced a few days prior.  Since Congress gave him
> virtually everything he asked for the next step is martial law, though
> how that might help uncover any new plots is beyond me.

Like we have "rule of law" now, with Shrub telling us to pass laws he
wants, or have them installed anyway via executive order.

I've long wavered over whether to fight these things or encourage them, as
the encouraging may prove to be the more useful (i.e., be sufficiently
infuriating to wake some sheeple up).  I think Shrub and Friends have
provided the perfect vehicle to help us return the US to it's
*Constitutional* roots.  We just give them *everything* they ask for, then
sit back and see how long it takes for some "recently awoken" to provide a
little high velocity lead poisoning party - bringing his beer-gut buddies
of course (revolution wouldn't be any fun without beer and bullets,
right?).

Long live the Reich!  Hail whoeverthefuck!

 -- 
Yours, 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and 
elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate...
This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
first place...






Ashcroft prepares for martial law

2001-10-30 Thread keyser-soze

Unlike America's Most Wanted the new dire but vague warnings are unlikely to cause 
citizens to uncover a massive new plot, I doubt they would have uncovered the 911 even 
if predictions of impending trouble have been announced a few days prior.  Since 
Congress gave him virtually everything he asked for the next step is martial law, 
though how that might help uncover any new plots is beyond me.




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WSJ Flaunt Clever 'Crumbs' Pun For Cookies

2001-10-30 Thread graham . nash

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Proof that our great industry leaders still don't quite get this Internet thing (and 
secretly probably wish it'll just go away now, thank you very much).

>From the WSJ, reprinted by the Financial Times:

Following the crumbs
US Abstracts;  Oct 29, 2001

:- 'Cookies' are small programs fitted to Web
:- sites that are designed to look into your
:- computer and monitor the way in which you
:- use it. [...] However, other cookies can
:- send private information back to their home
:- sites.

http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalarchive/article.html?id=011029004735

How can we ever expect suits and corporate warriots to understand the social 
implications of privacy and encryption if they still can't get their heads around 
cookies?

GNash.
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Re: Transperancy Spray?

2001-10-30 Thread Karsten M. Self

on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 10:23:55PM -0800, Max Inux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
> Well, I was watching CNN and it looks like the Postal workers now are
> armed with a new weapon.. Against terror of course.  THe whole cant read
> someone elses mail thing is out the window it looks like, they can spray
> this go on the letter and read through the envelope..  It seems
> implausable but its CNN, they dont lie right? well ANYWAYS, I now have a
> nice stash of black construction paper...

That's been around quite the while:

http://www.google.com/search?q=envelope%20transparent%20spray

http://www.countdown.org/end/big_brother_13.htm

Source: Robert Uhlig, Electronic Telegraph
Date: 3rd March, 2001

[We've got mail] An aerosol spray that makes unopened envelopes
transparent so that the contents can be read has been invented.

"You spray it on and it temporarily makes the envelope clear," said
Robert Schlegel, vice-president of the makers, Mistral Security, of
Maryland. "It leaves an odor for 10 to 15 minutes, but there is no
smudging of ink, no stain, no evidence at all. The envelope is
transparent for a few minutes and you can respray it hundreds of
times without leaving any stain."

I'd heard of use of same by CIA going back maybe ten years, if not
longer.

Peace.

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