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Re: Applied Digital pushes microchip to plant in foreigners for tracking

[Steve Schear]

At 08:14 PM 1/2/2002 -0800, Petro wrote:
>On Saturday, December 22, 2001, at 04:18 PM, Jei wrote:
>>"Man today is more than ever converging with technology," said
>>Sullivan, who is CEO of the Palm Beach-based tech company Applied Digital
>>Solutions (Nasdaq: ADSX, 45 cents). "I think the positives overwhelmingly
>^^
>
> Mostly just trying to boost stock price I'd imagine. Doesn't 
> Nasdaq de-list companies who stay under a dollar for a certain length of time?

They did but suspended the practice, at least for a few quarters, when all 
the .com failures threatened to significantly shrink their listing base.

steve

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NSW Senior Deputy Police Commissioner Ken Moroney yesterday confirmed that 
homemade bombs had been found.
One of the devices is suspected of starting a fierce bushfire that raged 
near houses at West Pennant Hills, northwest of Sydney yesterday.
A second device was found intact in the Galston area, also in the city's 
northwest, but it did not spark a fire there.
Mr Moroney would not describe the devices in detail because of fears of 
copycat firebugs.
as arsonists use home-made bombs to keep NSW under siege.
Two devices have been found in devastated areas.
One of them might have lit a fire that threatened hundreds of homes in 
Sydney's suburbs.
Police fear there may be a number of serial arsonists at work and are 
hunting a motorcyclist suspected of setting fires in the Blue Mountains.

Mueller badly needs Killing

[mattd]

FBI Director Robert Mueller reports his bureau has no plans to investigate
the chief suspect in the international anthrax mailings case.
FBI Implicated in Anthrax Mailings Cover-up: Mueller Reports No Intention
to Investigate Chief Suspect
Sandpoint, ID FBI officials may be implicated in a conspiracy to impede
justice in the anthrax mailings case, if not treasonous dereliction of
duty, according to a growing number of scientists and consumer advocates.
After officials cited the likeliest origin of the powdered anthrax was the
U.S. Armys Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah, or its Ohio-based supplier and
CIA-contractor, Battelle Memorial Instititue (BMI), FBI Director Robert
Mueller announced the bureau has no intention of investigating anyone with,
or formerly with, their chief suspectBMI.
Just weeks ago, major progress in the FBIs investigation seemed
forthcoming. The New York Times and Washington Post revealed that BMI,
Dugways anthrax facility supplier and chief administrator had contracted
with the CIA (in project Clear Vision) to produce, albeit illegally, the
1 trillion spore-per-gram strain of anthrax under investigation. BMI, while
heading the U.S. militarys Joint Vaccine Acquisitions Program worth more
than $1 billion in vaccine contracts, commissioned Americas top anthrax
expert, William C. Patrick, III, to deliver a report on the powdered
anthraxs prospects for being spread through the mail.
Thus, by mid-December, the public, including health scientists urged to
help federal officials identify suspects, realized that someone with high
level security clearance, a black-op budget, access to the BMI/Dugway
anthrax labs, and vaccine sales incentive, most likely took BMIs powdered
anthrax, and prepared it for mailing from Trenton, NJ; St. Petersburg, FL;
Atlanta, GA; and Malaysia.
For the first time since the 1975 Frank Church congressional investigation
of the CIA for illegally stockpiling anthrax and other biological weapons,
the public learned that the CIA had been violating the international Geneva
Accord moratorium on biological weapons developmenta revelation somewhat
embarrassing to American diplomats engaged in the global War on Terrorism.
The day before Christmas, an Op Ed piece in the Wall Street Journal
additionally implicated BMI, and potentially the FBI, along with rogue
elements within the CIA, in an international conspiracy to commit and
cover-up the anthrax mailings crime.
BMI and Bioport, a Michigan-based offshoot of Britains leading biological
weapons organization at Porton Down, were previously reported to be
collaborating on the manufacture and supply of Americas only anthrax
vaccine. Dr. Robert C. Myers, Chief Operating Officer of BioPort, told a
Senate Appropriations Committee in 1996 that he was part of a team of
organizations, led by Battelle Memorial Institute . . .  The Journal
writer Edward Jay Epstein cited the testimony of U.S. Army bioweapons
official David Franz concerning Americas reliance on British intelligence
provided by Porton Down officials regarding the development and use of the
powdered Ames strain of anthrax.
Thus, the FBIs disregard of foreign suspects, especially Porton Down, with
direct links to Bioport and BMIs anthrax vaccine, vaccine contracts, and
BMIs and Dugways anthrax experiments, was criticized by Epstein as it was
days earlier in the Washington Post.
More evidence of the FBIs intentional ineptitude came from the Columbus
Dispatch. Though the Washington Post reported that the FBI was allegedly
pursuing the possibility that financial gain was the motive behind the
anthrax mailings, and that two laboratories were especially implicated,
that is, BMI and Dugway, a contradictory announcement was relayed the same
day (Dec. 21, 2001) by Ohio Senator Mike DeWine. Based on an ABC News
report concerning a BMI employee who had been under FBI investigation for
an anthrax threat, FBI Director Robert Mueller had, according to The
Dispatch, assured Senator DeWine that the bureau was not investigating, nor
intending to investigate, anyone with, or formerly with, BMI.
Currently then, the FBI has no intention of investigating its chief
suspect, despite the grave likelihood that the remaining mystery will
continue to exact massive economic and socio-political tolls.
These proceedings have bewildered and even outraged many scientists and
public health professionals from whom the FBI requested assistance.
In defending the FBIs position, the Washington Post reported that the
bureau only learned of a BMI-administered CIA defensive biowarfare
contract involving the Ames-strain of anthrax in recent weeks. The CIA
program was [allegedly] designed to develop defenses to a vaccine-resistant
strain of anthrax reportedly created by the former Soviet Union, officials
defended. CIA spokespersons expressed certainty that the anthrax used in
the mailings did not come from their work.
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Re: Illusional delusions

[Declan McCullagh]

Just skimming the list after coming back from vacation... 

Dan Klein has written a nice book titled "Reputation" which I frequently
recommend. Looks at some of these examples in detail from a self-
regulatory, free-market perspective.

-Declan

On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 05:51:01PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
> I didn't read far enough into BU's piece to see him asking such a silly 
> question, or I would have also offered S&P and D&B as examples. 
> "Foobarcorp's rating has been lowered from AAA to AA." Like it or not, 
> they are in the business of reputation rating.
> 
> So is a Notary Public. So is a restaurant reviewer in a newspaper. So 
> are Siskel and Ebert, er, Ebert and That New Guy.
> 
> So are the kosher meat dudes who stamp "Kosher" on food approved for 
> consumption by Jews.
> 
> So are the "PC Labs" and other reviewers of new PC hardware.
> 
> We are swimming in a sea of such reputation services, just as we are 
> swimming in what is basically an anarchic ocean.
> 
> --Tim May
> "Ben Franklin warned us that those who would trade liberty for a little 
> bit of temporary security deserve neither. This is the path we are now 
> racing down, with American flags fluttering."-- Tim May, on events 
> following 9/11/2001

CP flix

[Incognito Innominatus]

At 09:35 AM 1/2/02 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote:
>> Nomen Nescio[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
>> 
>> There was once an effort here to list CP relevent prose.
>> How about a list of CP relevent moving pictures (and why
>> relevent)? 
>> 
>> Enemy of the State ---for surveillance and conspiracy
>> GATTACA ---for biometrics, identity fraud, surveillance
>> 
>> more? 
>> 
>Why has no one mentioned '1984'? I've only seen the
>1956 version with Edmond O'Brien, not the 1984 version
>with John Hurt.
>
>If we're going to proceed down the 'state as evil' axis, 
>there's a rich vein of content, such as 'Brazil', 'The
>President's Analyst' (very funny, and highly 
>reccomended), and many others. 

I was specifically trying to avoid such mentally-unnourishing
but visually tasty scifi candy as "Matrix" etc.   Mostly Choate polluted the list,
what a surprise.  1984, because of the televisors and surveillance
is ok; Brazil (although brilliant) isn't CP though fantastic
in many other respects.  If I'm wrong, its because it been
years, and I welcome correction.  

Re: Fiat justitia et ruat caelum

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 10:55 PM -0500 on 1/2/02, An Metet wrote:


>>"Fiat justitia et ruat caelum" (Let justice be done though the heavens
>>fall.) --legal maxim originating with the Senate of Rome.

My favorite is "Lex vincula justitiae", myself...

Cheers,
RAH

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Re: Applied Digital pushes microchip to plant in foreigners for tracking

[Petro]

On Saturday, December 22, 2001, at 04:18 PM, Jei wrote:
>"Man today is more than ever converging with technology," said
> Sullivan, who is CEO of the Palm Beach-based tech company Applied 
> Digital
> Solutions (Nasdaq: ADSX, 45 cents). "I think the positives 
> overwhelmingly
^^

Mostly just trying to boost stock price I'd imagine. Doesn't Nasdaq 
de-list companies who stay under a dollar for a certain length of time?

--
"Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course
welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use
a GUI to take my order, too."
- Tom Christiansen

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Magic Lantern - The FBI's viral key-logger (fwd)

[Eugene Leitl]

Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:08:38 -0600
From: nnburk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: Planetscape Enterprises
X-Accept-Language: en,ru
To: Matthew Gaylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Magic Lantern - The FBI's viral key-logger

Please feel free to distribute this far and wide:
Magic Lantern - The FBI's viral key-logger


- The Latest -

[ISN] FBI confirms
"Magic Lantern" project exists

[ISN] Infamous hacker
group helps the Feds

Re: [ISN] Infamous
hacker group helps the Feds - cDc calls announcement "satire"

Re: [ISN] Infamous
hacker group helps the Feds

[ISN] DIRT-Magic
Lantern Firm Barred from Gov Work

FBI may be getting
full benefit of Magic Lantern... from BadTrans.B
[ISN] FBI surveillance bonanza in BadTrans.B worm

From the "We don't need no
stinkin' oversight" dept.:
Politech: FBI refuses to tell Congress aide about "classified" Magic Lantern

Homeland
Security, Homeland Profits
Technology Already in the Hands of Law Enforcement

FBI Software
Records Each Keystroke

Software Firms
Object to FBI Eavesdropping


Scarfo, Phase 2: a.k.a. "Magic Lantern"
CYBERSECURITY - Threat of Terrorism on U.S. Infrastructure (nytimes.com)




What is Magic Lantern?

FBI software cracks encryption wall
‘Magic Lantern’ part of new ‘Enhanced Carnivore Project’

EPIC
Carnivore (and 'Enhanced Carnivore') FOIA Documents

ZDNet
News: FBI's magic revealed as old tricks

FB
I Is Building a 'Magic Lantern' (washingtonpost.com)

FB
I Develops Eavesdropping Tools (washingtonpost.com)
McAfee sides with FBI against customers on "Magic Lantern"

Declan McCullagh's Politech
FBI reportedly creating "Magic Lantern" anti-crypto virus

Declan McCullagh's Politech
McAfee sides with FBI against customers on "Magic Lantern"

The Spy in Your Computer? (.mp3)
from Fact Squad Radio

Declan McCullagh's Politech
Has McAfee sided with FBI on "Magic Lantern" detection?

Spokesman
for NAI in Germany disputes the Washington Post article
from the German news site "Heise Online"

Declan McCullagh's Politech
McAfee replies -- by denying any FBI contacts of any sort

"Magic Lantern" Discussion
from Dave Farber's Interesting-People elist

Declan
McCullagh's Politech
Background on McAfee/NAI

Wired News Summary
'Lantern' Backdoor Flap Rages, By Declan McCullagh

Declan McCullagh's Politech
AP's Ted Bridis replies to McAfee: "I stand by my reporting"

Declan McCullagh's Politech
McAfee broadens denial: No contact with government of any sort

AV vendors split
over FBI Trojan snoops

Declan McCullagh's Politech
Symantec pledges to acquiese to FBI backdoor demands

Politech
Summary re: "Magic Lantern"

FBI 'Magic
Lantern' reality check (original article picked up by ISN, below)

[ISN] Magic Lantern
reality check

FBI
snoop tool old hat for hackers

Warn
ing - The FBI knows what you're typing

Antivir
us firms: FBI loophole is out of line

Antiv
irus Firms Say They Won't Create FBI Loophole

Politech: Symantec, McAfee
backpedal furio

Re: Choices of small handguns

[Matthew Gaylor]

At 1:05 AM -0800 1/2/02, Petro wrote:
>   The squeeze cock is activated as you draw/grasp the weapon. 
>If the burglar is close enough to hear that he is going to notice 
>your movement.

Right...like in a darkened bedroom as you crouch down waiting for 
your attacker... The squeeze cocker is a solution for a non-existent 
problem.  Do you really think a P7 is intrinsically safer than a 
Sig226 which has no operator manipulated safety?

Having a weapon that goes click clack is a detriment.

Regards,  Matt-


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Re: Scarfo Phase 2

[Michael Motyka]

John Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>
> John Schwartz writes in the December 31 New York Times:
> 
> "A controversial system installed on a criminal suspect's 
> computer by the government to capture the encryption 
> passwords of a criminal suspect is nearing its second 
> phase." 
> 
> Anybody have info or leads on the "second phase" of 
> what appears to be the keylogging technology used 
> by the FBI in the Scarfo case?
> 
Phase   I : Prototype development
Field Test
Establish Legal Precedent
 
Phase  II : Mass deployment as a standard tool

Phase III : Legislative inclusion in consumer systems

Or something along those lines.

Mike

Air force one renamed "lady fanny of Omaha"

[mattd]

COME ON NOW MR. PRESIDENT!

Wayne Madsen

I am the last person to defend airlines, especially considering the number
of bumped flights, lost luggage, and discourteous flight attendants I've
put up with over the years. However, when it comes to a feud between George
W. Bush and the American Airlines pilot who refused to allow a member of
the president's Secret Service personal detail to board a flight in
Baltimore because something "didn't seem right with his paperwork," my vote
goes to the pilot.

Okay, so the Secret Service agent was an Arab American. I bet that American
Airlines pilot knew a number of the American Airline pilots who died on
September 11, and maybe the one who died in a still unexplained crash of
Flight 587, another American Airline plane, near JFK Airport, and probably
also the pilot who could have easily lost his life when Richard Reid tried
to blow up his plastic explosive-laden sneakers on an American flight from
Paris to Miami. Radical Arab Islamists have a penchant for hijacking and
blowing up planes and they seem to have a certain predilection for American
Airlines. So what did the pilot do wrong?

The pilot is informed by airport security that the Secret Service guy is
traveling with a gun. The pilot doesn't believe his papers are in order (I
bet the Secret Service doesn't like it very much when they are on the
receiving end of that missive). And here's the question I would have asked
were I that pilot: Why the hell is a Secret Service agent assigned to the
president traveling commercial air to the Texas ranch? What happened? Did
he miss his flight on Air Force One? Too much to drink over the holidays?
Yes, that pilot had a lot of reasonable questions. And considering how
American Airlines seems to be the target du jour for Al Qaeda, he did the
right thing in refusing him passage.

So Dubya vents his spleen at that scruffy-looking Crawford ranch and says
if it turns out that his Secret Service man was not allowed to fly because
of his ethnicity, "that would make me mad as heck." Hey Dubya, you know
what would have made me mad as heck? A passenger with possible phony Secret
Service credentials steering another plane into another building. Could
never happen? Well, let's see, on September 11 you ran out to hide at the
headquarters of the Strategic Air Command in Nebraska because, according to
William Safire quoting high-level White House officials, including head
gauleiter Karl Rove, someone was able to break the code word security of
White House communications and relay the message, "Air Force One is next."
If someone could have done that (and every commercial pilot worth a salt
knows about that incident), they could probably also obtain fake White
House credentials and alter information in the Secret Service and FAA data
bases.

Mr. President, that pilot certainly does not deserve or require any
lectures from you. If you had been a real Air Force pilot and not a weekend
warrior who took back seat rides, chalking up questionable "flight time"
with the senior arm of the Texas Civil Air Patrol, you might realize as
does that American Airlines pilot and your "good friend" John McCain and
other real pilots, that pilots are responsible for the lives of their crew
and passengers. The pilot who flew you around Texas on weekends extended
that protection to you. Please extend the same courtesy to our commercial
airline pilots. Your Secret Service agent will get over the insult but
families who lose loved ones in terrorist attacks never get over it. But
here's the deal. Next time one of your more questionable-acting Secret
Service agents gets into it with an airline pilot, would you personally
guarantee the security of the aircraft with two armed sky marshals?
 From ... http://www.spiescafe.com/wm/wayne.htm and while your there,check
out ... What?? Are You Serious!
They could be just more conspiracy theories, but many investigative
journalists are coming up with some interesting connections:
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7   7   The Smoking Gun
7   7   Guilty for 9/11 - Part 1
7   7   Guilty for 9/11 - Part 2
7   7   Gaping Holes in CIA-v-Bin Laden Story

RE: CP movies?

[Trei, Peter]

> Nomen Nescio[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> 
> There was once an effort here to list CP relevent prose.
> How about a list of CP relevent moving pictures (and why
> relevent)? 
> 
> Enemy of the State ---for surveillance and conspiracy
> GATTACA ---for biometrics, identity fraud, surveillance
> 
> more? 
> 
Why has no one mentioned '1984'? I've only seen the
1956 version with Edmond O'Brien, not the 1984 version
with John Hurt.

If we're going to proceed down the 'state as evil' axis, 
there's a rich vein of content, such as 'Brazil', 'The
President's Analyst' (very funny, and highly 
reccomended), and many others. 

Peter Trei







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RE: End-to-end encrypting US GSM phones?

[Lucky Green]

Ryan wrote:
> Key management would tax a palm a bit, depending on how you 
> handle public key crypto, primarily on the battery side.  I 
> suppose if you do key generation on the palm when docked, 
> it's not as much of a concern.

Being rather familiar with cryptographic implementations for the Palm
platform, I would strongly recommend against attempting to use Palm as a
voice encryption device. The platform simply lacks the horsepower to do
so. This won't change until Palm starts rolling out their next
generation ARM based devices late this year. Of course since the current
underpowered Palm platform is continuing to lose the adoption rate fight
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next-generation Palm devices places the software developer's business
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Infinite justice..

[mattd]

The fame of Asimov's Foundation and Robot series has tended to steal the 
limelight from some of his other masterpieces, chief among them, The End of 
Eternity, a book that is hard to find. In this book, Asimov consciously set 
out to explore the limits of the classic paradox of time travel that has 
bedeviled so many works of science fiction. As a result, this is a "bare 
bones" novel; no robots or empires or any other such distractions. Its 
strength lies in imagination. Asimov looks at our world as it has evolved, 
and then introduces the organization called Eternity, whose mission is to 
protect humanity from its own mistakes, by making deft changes in key 
events over time (past and future). Along the way, he has fun making digs 
at the unchanging fundamentals of human nature (competition, drive, love) 
amid centuries of changing social mores. At the heart of the book is the 
love story of Andrew Harlan and Noyes Lambent, but this tale is just a 
framework for Asimov to build on. In the final analysis, Asimov is making 
the point that just as a child learns to walk by repeated falls, humanity's 
ultimate characteristic is the Schumpeterian desire and ability to innovate 
through risks. If we are protected from ever making mistakes, we may avoid 
tragedies, but the human race itself will vegetate and die. As with many of 
his earlier works, the dialog can be jarring and characters often 
one-dimensional. For all that however, The End of Eternity ranks among 
Asimov's finest in the field of science fiction and makes it all the more 
strange why this book is so difficult to find. Do take the time to lay your 
hands on it; you will not be disappointed.

FW: arabic <-> english translation page

[Lucky Green]

I didn't see this on the list, though I may have missed the post due to
mail server migration issues.

--Lucky Green

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 3:04 PM
To: [elided]
Subject: arabic <-> english translation page


Some rogue element at cnn.com posted this on their website.. from now on
i'm reading al-jazeera ;-)

http://europe.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/12/31/arabic.software.ap/index.htm
l
In October, Cairo-based Sakhr Software released its Arabic-to-English
translation software -- free for the world to use -- on the company's
Arabic language Web portal at Ajeeb.com

http://english.ajeeb.com/
http://edalilc.ajeeb.com/data/66187.asp-> listing of arab news
sources
http://tarjim.ajeeb.com/ajeeb/Tarjimtrans.asp?ol=1&url=http://www.al-jaz
eera.net&lang=1&interface=0&sentence=
  -> al-jazeera in english

Re: cell phone guns

[Harmon Seaver]

Petro wrote:

> 
> > Since 9mm is .36 caliber,
> 
> .38
> 
Nope, it's .357 -- in fact, many are .355. So are all ".38",
including .380, .38 short, .38 long, .38 special, etc. except for the
.38-40 which is actually .401. 

-- 
Harmon Seaver
CyberShamanix
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Foundation and empire

[mattd]

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0102.html

Hari seldon informs me that a new era in pscho-hirstory is about to 
start.The crypto-anarchic milleneum.
The game ranges from the prehistoric era up to and beyond the present day, 
and includes some sci-fi-inspired futuristic combat.
Empire Earth is the brainchild of Rick Goodman, one of the key developers 
behind the Age of Empires games, and this pedigree is immediately apparent.
Indeed, Empire Earth takes some of the most enjoyable aspects of the Age 
series and tosses in a lot more.
The resource model and gathering system, in which you use villagers to 
collect wood, food, stone and gold, is almost identical to that in Age of 
Empires. There is also farming and the use of logical collection points 
such as the town centre.
But the game adds so much more to this basic framework that it would be a 
huge injustice to simply call it an Age clone.
A comprehensive editor lets you create all sorts of scenarios, and there 
are four narrative-driven missions that take you through historical epochs, 
often introducing you to well-known figures who need your help.
The 3D visuals are also brilliant, even though the game is a bit of a 
resource hog and slows down on lesser machines.
There are some great smoke and explosion effects, and the sight of massive 
battleships cruising the seas is extremely impressive.
You also get to define your civilization and choose the bonuses and special 
abilities your people will develop, tweaking them so they are good with 
airborne units, great with cavalry and good at managing their production in 
a specific way.
The options are very comprehensive, which gives you a real sense of 
ownership, as your people can be developed during the campaign to suit your 
style of play.
Empire Earth is a very challenging game, and the computer can be a very 
adept opponent.

[silk] airport iris scan (fwd)

[Eugene Leitl]

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:06:06 +0100
From: Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [silk] airport iris scan

what i mentioned earlier.
http://www.schiphol.nl/schiphol/privium/privium_home.jsp

as usual, the dutch govt is the first to try out new things. interestingly,
though the card+iris scan allows you to bypass immigration, your iris
records are not (they claim) stored anywhere other than on your card. it's
not as expensive as i thought, only 99 euro till oct 2002.

-rishab

Re: Choices of small handguns

[Petro]

On Monday, December 31, 2001, at 02:15 PM, Faustine wrote:

> Thanks to all for the excellent advice and recommendations. I'm sure 
> it's
> worth taking the time to try them all before deciding, thanks again for 
> a more
> solid place to start.

How much time do you have?

There are a *lot* of pistols out there.

--
"Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course
welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use
a GUI to take my order, too."
- Tom Christiansen

Re: Choices of small handguns

[Petro]

On Monday, December 31, 2001, at 07:13 AM, Matthew Gaylor wrote:
>
>> It loves being dirty and will shoot on and on
>> regardless of what its been through.  (Fluted chamber helps here).
>
> You bring up one of my other objections to the design- The fluted 
> chamber is tough on the brass.  If you don't reload it isn't a problem 
> however, but the fluting puts striations on the brass that weakens it 
> for subsequent use.  I've heard that certain loads (Silvertips) foul up 
> the gas system on the P7 quicker than other designs.  If the P7 works 
> and if your particular gun works for you and your happy with it that's 
> great.  Personally I'd stack up my Sig226 or Beretta 92FS against the 
> P7 anytime.

IMO 9mm is too cheap to bother reloading.

--
"Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course
welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use
a GUI to take my order, too."
- Tom Christiansen

Re: Choices of small handguns

[Petro]

On Monday, December 31, 2001, at 12:01 AM, Black Unicorn wrote:
> Ancient German P7 secret:
>
> You can decock the pistol silently by disengaging the squeeze cock 
> mechanism
> under the trigger guard and flush with the depressed squeeze-cocker 
> with the
> thumb on your free hand and slowly releasing pressure on the cocker.  
> It's
> pretty easy to engage the cocker silently as well, but why bother?  I

Could you elaborate on this please? I'm trying it right now, and 
I'm not understand how to make it any quieter than just letting go.

As to the initial squeeze, it's actually so quiet as to be 
unnoticeable beyond arms length.

> consider it like a set trigger.  It only gets cocked when the target is
> acquired, identified and in the sights anyhow.  If you really need that

I disagree, it gets cocked when it gets picked up. The finger 
doesn't get to the trigger until the sites are lined up.


> They are one of the few well manufactured pistols that have properly
> balanced tolerances with a fixed barrel and still aren't subject to a 
> lot of

One more point about the barrel--it sits a lot lower in the frame 
than most pistols, modifying the recoil to more of a push than a 
flip--this leads to a quicker followup shots.

> jamming or ammo pickiness.  It loves being dirty and will shoot on and 
> on
> regardless of what its been through.  (Fluted chamber helps here).  
> Combined
> with good ammo, like say Golden Saber, the gun, if not the user, will
> outshoot about anything that isn't designed specifically for competition
> (i.e. impractical for real use).

However, do not get oil in the gas-tube. This will lead to problems.

> More importantly it is simply the fastest, most accurate handgun from 
> draw
> to target to fire that I've ever used.  Best concealed carry around, in 
> my
> view.

While I won't disagree, I will note that if you live in a cold 
climate, and use a very close to the body carry (IWB etc) the steel 
against your skin can get a little cold, while some of the polymer 
pistols won't have this problem (any metal bodied pistol will).

> Like I said, I don't bother with anything else anymore.

Hell, they're all fun to shoot.

--
"Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course
welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use
a GUI to take my order, too."
- Tom Christiansen

Re: Choices of small handguns

[Petro]

On Sunday, December 30, 2001, at 09:11 PM, Matthew Gaylor wrote:

> At 2:53 PM -0800 12/30/01, Tim May wrote:
>> * H&K P7, the famous "squeeze-cocker." I had wanted one of these since 
>> reading about them in 1980, so when H&K was selling a bunch of 
>> reworked and remarket P7s at a good price ($550 or so), I bought one. 
>> Very elegant, very unusual. Mine is in 9mm. Very safe, but takes a bit 
>> of getting used to.
>
> Click, clack is how I describe the P7.  I wouldn't want to reveal my 
> position to say a burglar with such a pistol-  Any of the other pistols 
> mentioned along with other conventional DA/SA pistols seem to be a 
> better choice.

The squeeze cock is activated as you draw/grasp the weapon. If the 
burglar is close enough to hear that he is going to notice your movement.

>> * I have one Glock, a 1986-vintage Model 17, the first ones they 
>> imported into the U.S. 9mm, 17-18 shots. It does the job, is safe, and 
>> is a reliable standby. Many people swear by them. A Glock 19 is 
>> slightly smaller. And then there are the aforementioned Model 26s and 
>> 27s (.40, I recall).
>
> Keep in mind that Glocks, while excellent, reliable and accurate do 
> lead the pack in accidental discharges, even among "trained" police. 
> I'd not recommend the Glock to a beginner or to someone who wouldn't 
> put in the necessary practice.

Most of the ADs are from either not taking their fingers off the 
trigger, or from having the trigger snag on something.

Not that this takes away from what you have written.
>
>> I like my Kahr, followed by my H&K P7, followed by my SIGs.
>> (I also have a full-sized H&K USP .45, and other handguns, of course.)
>
> The Kahr's are excellent firearms-  Especially if your primary purpose 
> is to conceal it.  However as a general purpose pistol a higher 
> magazine capacity model with better longer range accuracy is better-

Not for civilian use. The vast majority of defensive pistol 
engagements are under IIRC 7 feet, and are over in 1-3 shots.

--
"Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course
welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use
a GUI to take my order, too."
- Tom Christiansen

Re: Choices of small handguns

[Petro]

On Sunday, December 30, 2001, at 02:53 PM, Tim May wrote:
> * H&K P7, the famous "squeeze-cocker." I had wanted one of these since 
> reading about them in 1980, so when H&K was selling a bunch of reworked 
> and remarket P7s at a good price ($550 or so), I bought one. Very 
> elegant, very unusual. Mine is in 9mm. Very safe, but takes a bit of 
> getting used to.

It also takes some thinking about to transition out of.

The squeeze cocker also acts as the slide release release, so you 
get real used to just squeezing and going.
>
> The Glock 26 would probably be a good choice for a woman, due to the 
> smaller hands most women have. 9mm is more than adequate, especially 
> when loaded with something like Hydra-Shok or Golden Saber or the like.

My wife, who has small hands, has a CZ75, which is a wonderful 
mid-sized pistol. They are well made, reliable, and fairly inexpensive.

> I like my Kahr, followed by my H&K P7, followed by my SIGs.

I didn't much care for the Kahr I fired, the trigger was really 
stiff, and the recoil was a lot sharper. Of course, this was on one of 
their smaller products.

>
> (I also have a full-sized H&K USP .45, and other handguns, of course.)
>
>
> --Tim May
> "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can 
> only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves 
> money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority 
> always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the 
> Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over 
> loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship." --Alexander 
> Fraser Tyler
>
>
--
"Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course
welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use
a GUI to take my order, too."
- Tom Christiansen

Re: CDR: Re: cell phone guns

[Petro]

On Saturday, December 29, 2001, at 06:26 PM, david wrote:

> On Saturday 29 December 2001 05:00 pm, Faustine wrote:
>
>> Hm, whatever works, I guess. Sheer stealth isn't as much a factor for 
>> me as
>> is accuracy, reliability and being able to avoid the "woman with a
>> peashooter" image. All rhetoric aside (but with all that in mind) I've
>> actually been thinking of getting a 9mm, something along the lines of a
>> Glock 26, a Kahr P9 or maybe a Sig-Sauer P239. Any thoughts?
>
> I have a Glock M17 and M21.  They are both extremely accurate and 
> reliable.
> Glocks are serious gun fighter's weapons because they have no extra 
> bells and
> whistles like external safeties and hammer decockers. They also don't 
> have

Um. No, they are serious fighters weapons because they are simple, 
robust and reliable.

But mostly robust and reliable.

If you're looking for a firearm, after reliability the most 
important thing is ergonomics. I've owned a Beretta 92, a Tanfoglio (eaa 
witness) .45, and a HK P7. I've fired glocks, Sigs, Browning Hi-powers 
(and clones/redesigns) and a wide variety of 1911s.

I can't stand the way the glocks and most of the 1911s fit my hand, 
they don't feel "right", while the browning Hi-power, the HK P7, Beretta 
etc. all felt good. The P7 being the best IMO.

Just about any contemporary pistol is going to be robust and 
reliable as long as you don't make too many modifications to it.

> I suggest that you consider a .40 instead of a 9mm.  You should always 
> carry
> the largest gun in the in the biggest caliber you can control and 
> conceal.

The real world energy difference between a .40 and a 9mm is not 
worth talking about.

The most important thing with a pistol is accuracy. There are two 
ways to achieve good accuracy, one is to be born with a natural talent. 
The other is to practice practice, practice. With 9mm being 
significantly cheaper than .40, you can practice a lot more for the same 
dollar.

9mm has been killing and wounding people for many years.

> The bigger the gun the easier and faster it is to shoot accurately.  The
> bigger the caliber the more stopping power.  The reason the US military
> switched to .45 caliber handguns is becuause .38 caliber handguns were 
> so
> ineffective against the Moros in the Phillipines.

Then again, we don't have many scientific studies on the 
effectiveness of the .45 against them either.

> Since 9mm is .36 caliber,

.38

> the military has basicially returned to a caliber proven to be not up 
> to the
> task.  Glock offers .40 in each of the frame sizes it offers 9mm in.

--
"Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course
welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use
a GUI to take my order, too."
- Tom Christiansen

Re: cell phone guns

[Petro]

On Sunday, December 30, 2001, at 06:01 PM, david wrote:

> On Sunday 30 December 2001 07:37 pm, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>
>>  Nobody, but nobody, walks around with an empty chamber, whatever
>> the caliber.
>
> Last I heard the Isreali military still did.  An empty chamber was US
> military standard carry until the switch from 1911 the Beretta.  The 
> military
> was the last to hear about the Modern Technique of the Pistol.

Many European police departments also insist on condition 2 carry. 
In fact if you look at the slide on a CZ100, there is an odd "dongle" or 
lump between the rear sight and the ejection port. Rumor has it that 
this dongle is intended to be used to engage the slide on the pistol 
belt to rack the first round into the chamber enabling a patrol officer 
to bring his pistol into action single handed (apparently many European 
officers also tend to work with police dogs, and having one hand on the 
leash means it can't be used to rack the slide).

--
"Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course
welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use
a GUI to take my order, too."
- Tom Christiansen

Death to the State.

[mattd]

A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E http://www.ainfos.ca/
 This text is a translated
part from a statement issued by the Croce Nera Anarchica and the Gruppo
Anarchico per lAzione Diretta Globale on dec. 25th. Wednesday, december
19th : 2 guys are arrested in the area of the + banca di Bologna ; and are
accused of planning a robbery. They are arrested while driving 2 bikes and
allegedly had latex gloves, knives and tights on them. Their names are
Carlo Tesseri and Horst Fantazzini. A few hours later, the cops searched
their houses and confiscated books, magazines, flyers, stickers as well as
a computer, agendas, mail and money. After 32 years of prison, Horst had
since a few months been in partial release (until 2019) and Carlo had been
freed in july after 7 years of prison. The same day the public prosecutor
from Bologna confirmed their arrest. The two used their right to refuse to
declare anything. December 24th : Horst is found dead in the prison of
Dozza. The official explanation is that he died of a heartattack while
under his shower. But then what the fuck is the reason for this heartattack
? Who stopped his heart ? His children noticed he had several bruises on
his body. The only thing we are sure of is that this is another state
murder that striked an anarchist who intended to live free, to struggle
against any kind of authority and against the prisons in which he spent
half of his life. The death of Horst in prison has been planned for long.
His sentence was supposed to end in 2019. He already has been seriously
wounded by prison guards when he tried to escape earlier. On dec. 24th our
comrade died while in their hands, locked in the cage of the state. We
consider as particulary responsible for this death the public prosecutors
from Bologna, Orso and Pescatore, but also the Dozza prison director and
the whole staff working within its walls. Murderers, we are not gonna
forget you ! Our thought go to Carlo, also locked in this same prison, old
friend and comrade of Horst, to whom the visit from family members was
denied. His girlfriend asked for a visit of urgency, and was denied this
right. One director said that Horsts death was not important enough to let
her visit Carlo. Lets stay in solidarity with Carlo in this difficult
period, lets remind him that he is not alone. Freedom for all ! Burn all
prisons ! Prison address : C. Dozza, via del Gomito, 40136 Bologna
Statement from Croce Nera Anarchica and Gruppo Anarchico per lAzione
Diretta Globale from dec. 27th. Dying in prison. Everytime a human being
dies behind bars, the state commits a murder, because prison kills, and all
those who, in one way or another, support this institution of pain and
death are murderers. Prison kills, hour after hour, month after month, year
after year. Horst, who spent at least 32 years in prison, has been
literally slaughtered. This is the only certainty we have and this is the
only truth no doctors would write in his report : killed by prison, state
murder !! We think with love and rage about the comrade and friend Horst
Fantazzini, and we swear him that his life full of revolt has not been
lived in vain. Last minute (dec. 29th) A gathering in solidarity with Carlo
Tesseri has been called. About 80 people are gathering in front of the
prison of Dozza and they will go to Horst Fantazzinis funeral later.
-- Alter-EE
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Re: handgun carry

[Petro]

On Tuesday, January 1, 2002, at 06:18 PM, david wrote:

> The next step is to learn how to get your handgun into action as 
> rapidly as
> possible without shooting yourself in the ass or the foot (which wastes 
> ammo
> and and impairs your ability to survive a shootout).  Ideally you should
> attend course where you can learn the correct skills and tactics from 
> the
> start.  I took personal handgun courses from the American Small Arms 
> Academy
> and Front Sight.  Other well known schools are Gunsight, Thunder Ranch, 
> and
> Lethal Force Institute.

If any body in the bay area is interested in taking these sorts of 
classes, I know a local instructor who is fairly good, and a lot cheaper 
than going to many of these.
>
--
"Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course
welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use
a GUI to take my order, too."
- Tom Christiansen

Re: Reg - Linotype copyright action on Adobe-format fonts

[Petro]

(Yes, a late reply)

On Wednesday, December 19, 2001, at 08:40 AM, David Honig wrote:

> At 11:47 PM 12/18/01 -0800, Petro wrote:
>>  That would be utterly pointless (no pun intended). The value of
>> Postscript is that it *isn't* a set of pixels.
>
> No, it wouldn't be pointless.  Postscript is not the only way
> to print.

What I was responding to was talking about shipping fonts as 
bitmaps. Bitmaps are not functions, they are not line descriptions.

You know this.

>
> It is the equivalent of using a function that approximates the sine()
> function to generate a table of trig values.  The function's code
> is copyrighted, but the table of values isn't.  And yes, there
> are still uses for tables of trig values.
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--
"Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course
welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use
a GUI to take my order, too."
- Tom Christiansen