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Cypherpunks and Irish Travellers

2002-09-21 Thread Anonymous

Terrific article below about the "Irish Travellers", an inbred gypsy-like
society which has decades of practice in anonymity, multiple identities,
secret languages, fake IDs, and other cypherpunk-like practices.  They
live in trailer parks and make their living with home improvement scams
and various frauds, just like many cypherpunks.  They even reside in towns
with names like White Settlement.  I thought that was Tim May's house!

Read on for a glimpse of the future of cypherpunk culture...



Woman videotaped hitting child has local ties
By MELODY McDONALD
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

FORT WORTH - The woman captured on videotape beating a child in an Indiana
department store parking lot last week is believed to be an Irish Traveller
with ties to the Fort Worth area.

Madelyne Gorman, 25, also known as Madelyn Toogood, has been the subject of
a nationwide search since Indiana law enforcement authorities distributed
copies of the videotape to the media earlier this week.

Gorman, who is believed to be affiliated with a Traveller group in White
Settlement and Fort Worth known as the Greenhorn Carrolls, is also wanted on
unrelated warrants in White Settlement and Fort Worth, authorities said.

Irish Travellers are descendants of a nomadic ethinic group that came to the
U.S. in the 1800s to escape the potato famine, roaming the country by horse
and wagon in search of itinerant work. Shiny trucks and travel-trailers now
carry them to the nation's distant corners and unassuming places like White
Settlement.

They are devout Roman Catholics who share biblical names, marry within the
group and speak their own dialect. Most of the men make their living in
home-improvement and business-repair work, such as paving, painting and
roofing.

Law enforcement authorities said some scam their clients in the process.

Joe Livingston, a senior agent with the South Carolina Law Enformcemnt
Division who has investigated Travellers for 18 years, said there are
various subclans of Irish Travellers around the cournty.

"In Texas, they are the Greenhorn Carrolls. The South Carolina Travellers
are known as the Georgia Boys. In Memphis, they are known as the Mississippi
travellers. This girl appears to be a branch of Texas."

"How many are there?" he asked. "Who knows."

The Greenhorn Travellers -- the Carrolls, Gormans, McDonalds, Daleys and
Jennings -- found themselves in the spotlight in January 2000 when five of
their young members were killed in a wreck on Interstate 30 in Fort Worth.

The accident -- one of the worst in city history -- shocked the public.
Questions arose when authorities learned that none of the boys was older
than 14 and four of them were carrying false driver's licenses
misrepresenting their ages.

After the accident, some Traveller families withdrew their children from
area schools. Victims' families met with investigators only once.

Livingston, who is researching the Madelyne Gorman case, said he has
discovered that Gorman has driver's licenses in Indiana, Missiouri, Texas
and New Jersey. Computer searches reveal she has listed addresses in Mission
and Fort Worth; Elkhart, Ind.; and Independence, Mo., among others.

"This again, shows the transiency of these people," said Livingston, who
said he received a call from an informant Friday morning about the case. "My
guy says they've gone underground. They're not going to find this girl." In
addition to the arrest warrant out of Indiana, Gorman is wanted in White
Settlement and Fort Worth for unrelated crimes.

In White Settlement, a warrant was issued for Gorman's arrest on April 9
after she failed to pay a $202 traffic ticket. According to the city's
municipal court clerk, Gorman received a citation for no driver's license on
Dec. 12, 2001, in the 1400 block of south Cherry Lane.

The following month, Fort Worth police issued a warrant for Gorman's arrest
after she failed to appear in court to face theft charges, said Lt. Mack
West, of the Tarrant County Sheriff's Department.

According to a computer records and a Fort Worth police report, Gorman and
another woman, Rose Ann Carroll, were arrested March 27 at a Kohls
department store in Fort Worth on charges of theft $50 to $500.




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2002-09-21 Thread carctol

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Re: All your canadians are belong to us

2002-09-21 Thread Harmon Seaver

On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 01:23:21PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
> At 11:08 AM 9/21/02 -0400, Greg Vassie wrote:
> >> says Dr Ann Coavoukian, the commissioner of information and privacy
> in
> >> Ontario, U.S.A. "People are lying and vendors don't know what is
> false [or
> >
> >As a resident of Ontario, Canada, I'm quite surprised to learn that
> >Ontario has been annexed by the United States.
> 
> Ontario, California?

   No, Ontario, WI. I used to live near there once upon a time.


-- 
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CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com




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2002-09-21 Thread Femi854nut98


[HereticalCode] DeCSS Redux: DVDSynth

2002-09-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)

Summary

DVDSynth is an open platform for developing various "virtual devices,"
particularly virtual CD/DVD-ROM drives and virtual discs to put in them.
One of the most
interesting things it can do is apply filters to physical devices in the
system. Filters can change the contents of a CD or DVD in arbitrary ways
on the fly. This early
release of DVDSynth contains only the filtering support together with
the following three filters:

 DVD subtitler: This filter effectively adds a new subtitle track to
a DVD, by inserting new data into the MPEG stream and updating the
various navigation
 pointers on the fly. Since it works at the device-driver level,
it's compatible with all software and hardware DVD players. It comes
with a fairly sophisticated
 subtitle rendering engine which supports asynchronous overlapping
subtitles in multiple fonts and colors, fade-in and fade-out, the full
Unicode character set,
 vertical Japanese "sidetitles," etc.

 Unrestrict DVD: This filter removes various usage restrictions from
a DVD, including region lockout, APS (Macrovision), and disabled
fast-forwarding,
 menu call, angle change, and so forth.

 SCSI protocol spy: This lets you monitor the SCSI commands and data
passing to and from your drive, in the tradition of such utilities as
FileMon, RegMon
 and Spy++. It's useful for debugging, and interesting to watch if
you're curious.

http://www.roundelay.net/dvdsynth/prerelease.html#download




all your .gov netadmins are belong to us

2002-09-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)

Wouldn't it be cool if a paki gunman shows up at a .gov NOC, just like
he did at the CIA some years back?

http://www.securitynewsportal.com/cgi-bin/cgi-script/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=JanR.db&command=viewone&id=122&op=t

VeriSign Inc has stopped providing access to
information about the .gov internet domain, which is restricted to
US government bodies, over concerns the data could
be used in planning internet attacks, ComputerWire has
learned. On September 16, the company posted a
notice on its web site saying that from September 13 (three
days earlier) it would no longer provide FTP access
to the so-called "zone file" for .gov, which contains the IP
addresses of all the name servers that point to .gov
domains. Ken Silva, VeriSign's director of networks and
security, told ComputerWire the company had removed
access to information "of potential value to hackers", and
that the decision was made "in conjunction with" the
General Services Administration, which administers the .gov
zone file.

Silva pointed out that while VeriSign manages the
.com, .org and .net zone files, and continues to make those
available to those willing to enter a no-cost
agreement with the company, it does not run .gov, and merely made
the data available as a free informational service.
Malicious hackers wanting to take down government web sites
would hypothetically be able to do so by
denial-of-service attacking the name servers associated with .gov
domains. It was not immediately clear if the .gov
zone file data is made available in bulk from other sources, but
the GSA does not seem to do so. Also removed from
the FTP site was the zone file for in-addr.arpa, which is
used for reverse-DNS lookups (when somebody wants to
find out what domain is associated with an IP address,
rather than the other way around)

It seems so logical to take that .gov WHOIS info
offline that you have to wonder why it wasn't done
last year. After all, who really needs to do WHOIS
look ups on government sites except hackers, mail
spammers that are harvesting government email
addresses and fearful folks who like checking where
the IP's of mysterious visitors to their web sites
originate from... I wonder whether the same will be
done for the .edu and .mil which also are prime
targets..




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[BrinWorld] precrime squad in Del: more pigs needing killing

2002-09-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)

WILMINGTON, Del. -- The city police department's Corner Deployment Unit
is known as the "jump-out squad" for bursting out of vehicles to
question and search suspects. Its officers also are known for something
else: snapping photos of suspects they stop, even those they don't
arrest.

City officials defend the practice as a legal and effective part of
fighting drug dealing and street crime.

Critics say it violates the constitutional rights of innocent people.

In an era when surveillance cameras peer from buildings and parking
lots, courts have ruled that people can't expect privacy in public
places. Civil libertarians argue that police photographing people they
don't arrest is a different matter.

"There's no authority to forcibly photograph someone and enter them into
a database when they have committed no crime," said Barry Steinhardt,
associate director of the American Civil Liberties Union.

"I'm not aware of any other municipal police department that has engaged
in this type of behavior," he said.

Wilmington Mayor James Baker describes such criticism as "blithering
idiocy," saying police take pains to protect the rights of law-abiding
citizens while targeting people "who are killing our neighborhoods, who
are killing our people."

City officials deny police are photographing individuals they believe
are likely to commit crimes. Some media reports have compared the
technique to "Minority Report," a recent science fiction movie in which
police identify criminals before they commit crimes.

"It's not a Gestapo technique, it's not anything other than a
progressive means of policing an urban environment," said police
spokesman Cpl. Stephen Martelli.

Among other things, the photos can serve as proof that a person arrested
for loitering received other warnings. They also are kept as "possible
evidence for ongoing investigations," authorities said.

Police Chief Michael Szczerba said his department has taken photographs
of suspects for years without complaints.

It's "highly improbable" that innocent people were caught up in the
stops, he said.

According to city officials, 658 people were stopped and questioned
between June, when the jump-out squad's "Operation Bold Eagle" began,
and last week. Among them, 546 were arrested, and 708 charges were
filed.

Police believe the other 112 are involved in criminal activity, even if
officers didn't find enough evidence that day to arrest them.

Drewry Fennell, executive director of the ACLU's Delaware chapter,
argues that shouldn't matter.

"Their criminal histories are not relevant to their rights to move
freely about on the street," Fennell said.

The ACLU is considering a lawsuit but, so far, no one has come forward
with a formal complaint, he said.

City officials have met with ACLU, NAACP and Urban League
representatives to hear their concerns, and another meeting is scheduled
Wednesday.

In crime-troubled neighborhoods, some residents have welcomed the
camera-toting police.

"I would rather have innocent people's pictures taken than innocent
people shot," said Barbara Washam, who joined a rally last week to
support the police.

Mayor Baker said the photo policy doesn't violate the Constitution or
the U.S. Supreme Court's 1968 decision in Terry v. Ohio that police may
stop and frisk people if they have reasonable suspicion they are engaged
in criminal activity.

The state attorney general and chief federal prosecutor for Delaware
agreed that Wilmington police appear to be acting within the law.

But others disagree, saying the Terry decision allows police only to
briefly detain and question suspects.

"They can't use Terry as a pretext to go out and gather a photographic
database of suspects," said professor Phyllis Bookspan, who teaches
constitutional criminal procedure at Widener University.

City officials say officers exercise discretion.

On a recent Friday night at a corner reeking of alcohol, the squad
frisked and questioned six men while investigating suspected drug
dealing.

Patrol Officer George Collins questioned one of the men, then pulled a
digital camera from his pocket and asked if he could take his picture.

"Can I ask why you're doing this to me?" replied the man, who showed
identification and told police he just was walking to the store.

"If you're not a criminal, you don't have anything to worry about,"
Collins answered. "It's for future reference."

Satisfied with the identification, Collins pocketed his camera without
snapping a photo.

"He was a resident, so I gave him the option," Collins explained.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-police-photos0921sep21(0,7774923).story?coll=sns%2Dap%2Dnationworld%2Dheadlines

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2002-09-21 Thread Investor Insights




 



 
 

  
 
   
   


  

News 
  Alert

  
 
  Janel 
World Trade Ltd. (OTCBB: JLWT)
  Six 
Month Target Price: $5.33

  



  
 
  Shares 
Outstanding 
  15 
million 

 
  Approx. 
Float 
  4 
million 

 
  6 
Month Proj.
  $5.33

  

 

 
A 
Few Reasons to Own JLWT: 
  
 
  1.
  Potential 
opportunity to get in at the beginning.

 
  2.
  This 
past July 25th, JLWT successfully completed a reverse 
merger, and opened for trading as a publicly traded company.

 
  3.
  JLWT 
is a 27 year old company, with 55 employees, of which 
half of them have been with JLWT for 15 years or more.

 
  4.
  JLWT 
has averaged $50 million in sales over the past three 
fiscal years, and is profitable.

 
  5.
  JLWT 
handles approximately 25,000 shipments annually for their 
customers.

 
  6.
  JLWT’s 
largest clients include Blue Chip names such as, Colgate 
Palmolive, Ralph Lauren, Nicole Miller, ConAir Corp. and 
many others.

 
  7.
  JLWT 
projects gross revenues for fiscal 2003 (which begins 
October 1,2002) of $80 Million Dollars will be significantly 
greater than projected revenues for fiscal 2002.

  




 


 
  UPDATE

 
   Since 
  JLWT’s last press release on August 15,2002 we have not 
  heard a word from them. With concerns regarding 
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  else negative one can think of, has certainly contributed to 
  a lack of enthusiasm and declining markets. History has shown 
  that in times of uncertainty, winners can still be found in 
  the stock market. Not all stocks continually go down. 
Although 
  JLWT has followed this pattern in the short period of time they 
  have traded publicly (about 5 weeks). In our opinion, lack of 
  news and sponsorship could be contributing factors to JLWT’s 
  decline.
Hopefully 
  with today’s press release (read below), an investor can 
  recognize that Rome wasn’t built in a day, and JLWT will 
  only release news that they feel is material to the company, 
  and not promotional. Clearly, this press release is fundamental 
  and puts JLWT on target towards executing their growth strategy 
  for fiscal 2003 (which begins Oct.1).
At 
  these current levels JLWT trades at .37 times trailing 12 month 
  sales, compared to the sector, which trades at 1.64 times. Hopefully 
  with additional fundamental news towards executing their growth 
  strategy, and additional sponsorship on Wall Street, JLWT could 
  achieve our price projections. 
Remember 
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1000 pts for offing humorless, proactive DC pigs

2002-09-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)

Anarchist 'Scavenger Hunt' Raises D.C. Police Ire
Sat Sep 21, 3:37 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An online "anarchist scavenger hunt" proposed for
next week's annual meeting of the International
Monetary Fund ( news - web sites) and World Bank ( news - web sites)
here has raised the ire of police, who fear demonstrators
could damage property and wreak havoc.

Break a McDonald's window, get 300 points. Puncture a Washington D.C.
police car tire to win 75
points. Score 400 points for a pie in the face of a corporate executive
or World Bank delegate.

D.C. Assistant Police Chief Terrance Gainer told a congressional hearing
on Friday that law authorities
were in talks to decide whether planned protests were, "so deleterious
to security efforts that we ought
to take proactive action."

Several thousand people are expected to demonstrate outside the IMF and
World Bank headquarters
next weekend.

The Anti-Capitalist Convergence, a D.C.-based anarchist group, is also
planning a day-long traffic
blockade, banner-drops and protests against major corporations in the
downtown core.

Chuck, the 37 year-old webmaster of the anarchist site www.infoshop.org
who declined to give his last name, told Reuters his
scavenger hunt was meant as a joke.

"People were asking for things to do when they come to D.C. We made the
list to get people thinking, so they don't do the boring, standard
stuff," he said. "I doubt people will actually keep track of what they
do for points."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=578&u=/nm/20020921/ts_nm/economy_protests_game_dc&printer=1




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Re: Random Privacy

2002-09-21 Thread Adam Shostack

On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 01:15:18PM -0700, AARG!Anonymous wrote:
| Greg Broiles wrote about randomizing survey answers:
| 
| > That doesn't sound like a solution to me - they haven't provided anything
| > to motivate people to answer honestly, nor do they address the basic
| > problem, which is relying on the good will and good behavior of the
| > marketers - if a website visitor is unwilling to trust a privacy policy
| > which says "We'll never use this data to annoy or harm you", they're
| > likely to be unimpressed with a privacy policy which says "We'll use
| > fancy math tricks to hide the information you give us from ourselves."
| >
| > That's not going to change unless they move the randomizing behavior
| > off of the marketer's machine and onto the visitor's machine,
| > allowing the visitor to observe and verify the correct operation of
| > the privacy technology .. which is about as likely as a real audit of
| > security-sensitive source code, where that likelihood is tiny now and
| > shrinking rapidly the closer we get to the TCPA/Palladium nirvana.
| 
| 
| On the contrary, TCPA/Palladium can solve exactly this problem.  It allows
| the marketers to *prove* that they are running a software package that
| will randomize the data before storing it.  And because Palladium works
| in opposition to their (narrowly defined) interests, they can't defraud
| the user by claiming to randomize the data while actually storing it
| for marketing purposes.

No, it allows security geeks to talk about proof.  My mom stil won't
get it.

Pd doesn't allow you to prove that there's no sniffer doing other
things with the data, that nothing is logged at the wrong time, etc

If you really want to randomize the data, do it close to me.  Or
better yet, run some software from Credentica and accept a proof of
whatever data is in question.

But the reality is that people hand over most of their data now.

So why would I invest in this expensive technology?  (Mike Freedman,
Joan Feigenbaum, Tomas Sander and I did a paper which touches on the
power imbalance between the companies that offer DRM technology and
their customers...same analysis applies
here... http://www.homeport.org/~adam/privacyeng-wspdrm01.pdf )

Adam


-- 
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once."
   -Hume




Re: All your canadians are belong to us

2002-09-21 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim

On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

> At 11:08 AM 9/21/02 -0400, Greg Vassie wrote:
> >> says Dr Ann Coavoukian, the commissioner of information and privacy
> in
> >> Ontario, U.S.A. "People are lying and vendors don't know what is
> false [or
> >
> >As a resident of Ontario, Canada, I'm quite surprised to learn that
> >Ontario has been annexed by the United States.
>
> Ontario, California?

No, Ontario, Canada:

http://www.ipc.on.ca/
http://www.cfp2002.org/advisoryboard/cavoukian.shtml


-MW-




Re: Random Privacy

2002-09-21 Thread AARG! Anonymous

Greg Broiles wrote about randomizing survey answers:

> That doesn't sound like a solution to me - they haven't provided anything
> to motivate people to answer honestly, nor do they address the basic
> problem, which is relying on the good will and good behavior of the
> marketers - if a website visitor is unwilling to trust a privacy policy
> which says "We'll never use this data to annoy or harm you", they're
> likely to be unimpressed with a privacy policy which says "We'll use
> fancy math tricks to hide the information you give us from ourselves."
>
> That's not going to change unless they move the randomizing behavior
> off of the marketer's machine and onto the visitor's machine,
> allowing the visitor to observe and verify the correct operation of
> the privacy technology .. which is about as likely as a real audit of
> security-sensitive source code, where that likelihood is tiny now and
> shrinking rapidly the closer we get to the TCPA/Palladium nirvana.


On the contrary, TCPA/Palladium can solve exactly this problem.  It allows
the marketers to *prove* that they are running a software package that
will randomize the data before storing it.  And because Palladium works
in opposition to their (narrowly defined) interests, they can't defraud
the user by claiming to randomize the data while actually storing it
for marketing purposes.

Ironically, those who like to say that Palladium "gives away root on your
computer" would have to say in this example that the marketers are giving
away root to private individuals.  In answering their survey questions,
you in effect have root privileges on the surveyor's computers, by this
simplistic analysis.  This further illustrates how misleading is this
characterization of Palladium technology in terms of root privileges.




Re: Random Privacy

2002-09-21 Thread Eugen Leitl

On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote:

> Ontario, California?

You will laugh, but some unattentive air travellers sometimes confuse 
these two :)
 
> Of course, California is another country. :-).




All your canadians are belong to us

2002-09-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)

At 11:08 AM 9/21/02 -0400, Greg Vassie wrote:
>> says Dr Ann Coavoukian, the commissioner of information and privacy
in
>> Ontario, U.S.A. "People are lying and vendors don't know what is
false [or
>
>As a resident of Ontario, Canada, I'm quite surprised to learn that
>Ontario has been annexed by the United States.

Ontario, California?




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Re: Random Privacy

2002-09-21 Thread Greg Broiles

At 02:16 AM 9/21/2002 -0700, Blanc wrote:
>But researchers at IBM think they have the solution. They have developed an
>ingenious method to protect our privacy, while still giving companies the
>information they crave.

That doesn't sound like a solution to me - they haven't provided anything 
to motivate
people to answer honestly, nor do they address the basic problem, which is 
relying on
the good will and good behavior of the marketers - if a website visitor is 
unwilling
to trust a privacy policy which says "We'll never use this data to annoy or 
harm you",
they're likely to be unimpressed with a privacy policy which says "We'll 
use fancy
math tricks to hide the information you give us from ourselves."

That's not going to change unless they move the randomizing behavior off of 
the marketer's machine and
onto the visitor's machine, allowing the visitor to observe and verify the 
correct
operation of the privacy technology .. which is about as likely as a real 
audit of security-sensitive source code, where that likelihood is tiny now 
and shrinking rapidly the closer we get to the TCPA/Palladium nirvana.

So, no, fancy tricks won't solve the basic problem, which is that once you 
give information to other people, you've got no control over what they do 
with it.

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2002-09-21 Thread Matthew X

Trader loses $285m in minutes
An error by a City of London share trader is reported to have cost his bank 
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The Guardian newspaper says the mistake also caused massive fluctuations on 
the stock market on Friday.
The paper quoted unnamed market insiders as saying that the mistake was 
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Re: Random Privacy

2002-09-21 Thread Adam Shostack

On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 11:08:54AM -0400, Greg Vassie wrote:
| > Interesting little article from
| > http://pass.maths.org.uk/issue21/news/random_privacy/index.html:
| > 
| > Excerpt:
| > "Right now, the rate of falsification on Web surveys is extremely high,"
| > says Dr Ann Coavoukian, the commissioner of information and privacy in
| > Ontario, U.S.A. "People are lying and vendors don't know what is false [or
| > what is] accurate, so the information is useless."
| 
| As a resident of Ontario, Canada, I'm quite surprised to learn that
| Ontario has been annexed by the United States.

Randomized geography.  :)

Adam

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Re: Random Privacy

2002-09-21 Thread Tim May

On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 02:16  AM, Blanc wrote:

> Interesting little article from
> http://pass.maths.org.uk/issue21/news/random_privacy/index.html:
>
> Excerpt:
> How old are you? How much do you earn?
>

Not a new idea. Ted Nelson (IIRC) wrote about using coin flips to 
randomize AIDS poll questions. ("Have you engaged in unprotected sex?" 
Flip a coin and XOR it with your actual answer.) I remember talking to 
Eric Hughes, Phil Salin, and others around 1990-91 about this.

(However, IBM is probably busily copyrighting their new invention, just 
as Intel copyright their recent "invention" of the anonymous remailer.)

Of course, both the IBM approach and the Nelson approach are unworkable 
for 98% of the population, who neither understand such abstractions nor 
are willing to trust them.

BTW, folks should be careful not to click on or clip the part of the 
URL line that includes the colon.

I just did some Web spelunking, looking for the above-referenced 
connection. Couldn't find it, but found my own references from around 
1994 (in the Cyphernomicon, natch). Here's a more recent item I sent to 
the list, an excerpt:

"

(BTW, as you probably know or can imagine, there have been crypto
methods proposed for safeguarding certain kinds of data collection,
e.g., schemes using "random coin flip protocols" for answering questions
like "Are you homosexual?" (supposedly "useful" for public health
planners trying to deal with HIV/AIDS issues. The idea is that the
pollee XORs his answer with a random bit. His answer then doesn't
_implicate_ him, but overall statistics can still be deduced from a
large enough sample. Ho hum. Better to simply tell the poller "None of
your fucking business...get off my property.")

The core point is the familiar one: we are coming to, or have reached, a
fork in the road. Down one path lies the Surveillance State, the
Panopticon, with ubiquitous cameras, intrusive questions, restrictions
on untraceable spending, and other detritus of the police state. Down
the other path lies a universe of strong crypto with a web of "opaque
pipes" linking "opaque objects."

Technologists can make the second path the reality. Lawyers and
lawmakers will try to take us down the first path.
"



--Tim May
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a 
monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also 
into you." -- Nietzsche




RE: Random Privacy

2002-09-21 Thread Blanc

Said Greg Vassie:

>> "Right now, the rate of falsification on Web surveys is extremely high,"
>> says Dr Ann Coavoukian, the commissioner of information and privacy in
>> Ontario, U.S.A. "People are lying and vendors don't know what is 
>>false [or what is] accurate, so the information is useless."
>
>As a resident of Ontario, Canada, I'm quite surprised to learn that
>Ontario has been annexed by the United States.

..


Heh-heh:  the author must be lying.

  ..
Blanc




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Re: Random Privacy

2002-09-21 Thread Greg Vassie

> Interesting little article from
> http://pass.maths.org.uk/issue21/news/random_privacy/index.html:
> 
> Excerpt:
> "Right now, the rate of falsification on Web surveys is extremely high,"
> says Dr Ann Coavoukian, the commissioner of information and privacy in
> Ontario, U.S.A. "People are lying and vendors don't know what is false [or
> what is] accurate, so the information is useless."

As a resident of Ontario, Canada, I'm quite surprised to learn that
Ontario has been annexed by the United States.


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Random Privacy

2002-09-21 Thread Blanc

Interesting little article from
http://pass.maths.org.uk/issue21/news/random_privacy/index.html:

Excerpt:
How old are you? How much do you earn?

What would you answer if asked asked these questions at website when you
were buying your next TV or ordering groceries online? A lot of us would
lie, and for a very good reason - to protect our privacy.

But the companies posing these questions also think they have a good reason.
Information about customer profiles is becoming increasingly important in
business, both for marketing and for development and improvement of
services.

"Right now, the rate of falsification on Web surveys is extremely high,"
says Dr Ann Coavoukian, the commissioner of information and privacy in
Ontario, U.S.A. "People are lying and vendors don't know what is false [or
what is] accurate, so the information is useless."

But researchers at IBM think they have the solution. They have developed an
ingenious method to protect our privacy, while still giving companies the
information they crave.
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