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Santa Cruz deputizes medical marijuana distributers
Anonymously forwarded. http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/14/thread14945.shtml Cannabis News DrugSense Medicinal Pot Farmers Deputized in Santa Cruz Posted by CN Staff on December 11, 2002 at 09:15:41 PT By Ken McLaughlin, Mercury News Source: San Jose Mercury News medical Valerie and Michael Corral, the founders of a medicinal marijuana farm that was busted in early September, are now Deputy Valerie Corral and Deputy Michael Corral by order of the Santa Cruz City Council. Taking another pot shot at the federal Drug Enforcement Administration, the council voted 7- 0 Tuesday to give the Corrals the ``authority to cultivate, distribute and possess medical marijuana.'' The Corrals' attorney, Ben Rice, maintains that the ``deputy'' status allows the Corrals to carry a controlled substance because they are enforcing local drug laws -- in this case, the city of Santa Cruz's ordinance regulating the way medicinal marijuana can be distributed. But the DEA indicated it wasn't amused by the Corrals' new ``deputy'' status. ``No one in the United States is allowed to distribute illegal drugs -- period,'' Richard Meyer, a DEA spokesman, said after the council's vote. Valerie Corral said Santa Cruz is the third city in California to deputize medicinal marijuana providers. One person has been deputized in Oakland and two in San Francisco, she said. Though the council action is largely symbolic, the Corrals carry the official title of Santa Cruz city deputy. Tuesday's action follows a highly publicized pot giveaway on the steps of City Hall on Sept. 17, 12 days after the raid on the farm in the hills near Davenport. The farm was operated by the Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana, better known as WAMM. The rally and giveaway, attended by six council members and about 1,000 other people, tried to send a message to the federal government that it needs to acknowledge that states should be able to decide for themselves whether marijuana can be used as medicine. No arrests were made, although a mysterious helicopter hovered overhead as politicians, prominent attorneys, physicians and numerous AIDS and cancer patients pledged to prod Washington lawmakers to preserve medicinal marijuana laws. The council acted Tuesday at the request of the Corrals, who are still waiting to see if federal prosecutors will charge them with anything. Their attorneys have advised them that the new ``deputy'' status will help them in their legal battle because it indicates overwhelming community support. ``Democracy is very important to me,'' said Michael Corral, referring to the 1996 passage of Proposition 215, a measure that state residents thought would result in the legal distribution of medicinal marijuana. The federal government, however, has taken the position that states can't allow the possession and distribution of a controlled substance. Meyer said the controversy has not affected the cooperation with the Santa Cruz Police Department, which has been put in an awkward position of having to work with the DEA and ignore its medicinal pot edict at the same time. ``We have great respect for Santa Cruz police officers,'' Meyer said. ``And we are committed to protecting Santa Cruz citizens.'' The Corrals' fight has gained some heavyweight legal help, including Santa Clara University law Professor Gerald Uelmen, a noted constitutional law expert. Only a ``twisted and perverted bureaucrat'' could approve sending in agents with automatic weapons to wipe out WAMM's tiny farm, Uelmen has said. He has joined Rice in a legal effort to force a legal showdown aimed at preserving states' rights on the marijuana front. Since the bust, Valerie Corral said, WAMM has been able to continue to provide marijuana at an undisclosed Santa Cruz location to about 235 members, 83 percent of whom are considered terminal. Three have died since the raid, and one is in critical condition, she said. The marijuana comes from donations. ``We live in an extremely generous community,'' she said. Mike Rotkin, who just returned to the council after a two-year hiatus, said he was upset by national press coverage that portrayed Santa Cruz as the town that wants to ``get everyone stoned.'' WAMM, he said, has been an exemplary organization that has shown it is ``serious about treating terminally ill people.'' Source: San Jose Mercury News (CA) Author: Ken McLaughlin, Mercury News Published: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 Copyright: 2002 San Jose Mercury News Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.sjmercury.com/ Related Articles Web Sites: WAMM http://www.wamm.org/
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Re: Bruce Schneier Hullabaloo
On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:07:34 -0800 (PST), you wrote: Michael Cardenas wrote: (Begin Quote) I'm curious as to what makes you, or anyone on this list, think that these technologies by themselves will cause any sort of political upheaval...What's to say that these technologies are not going to be shaped to meet the needs and wants of the transnational corporations that run our government? (End Quote) The high ranking for power concentration you implicity give to transnationals is undeserved and you are fearful of the wrong threat. The humblest meter maid can commence a process against you with consequences far greater than those that can be directed your way by the CEO of the most loathsome transnational company. That meter maid can write you a ticket. If unpaid, you will be fined. If unpaid again, your property will be seized. If you resist having your property seized, you will be beaten. If you resist being beaten, you will be shot until dead. Your most dreaded CEO can only dream for the power of a meter maid. It's governments, stupid.
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-- On 20 Dec 2002 at 19:26, William Warren wrote: voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. No matter who you vote for, a politician always gets elected. Those who do not exercise this duty do not deserve to complain about what goes on. By voting, you give the appearance of consent to what the government does to you. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG xmBBW56MrvFmh7U6fPSMDbyYqa+PTDPhTlRLmwmD 4cHSTvSFFo32sjmnBGPqe0vLtp3CfQhXyVLccQaXm
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-- William Warren voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. In http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Price_Theory/PThy_Chapter_19/PT hy_Chap_19.html David Friedman explains why democracy does not work. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG EE2kJk6NPO8w6BAmEjpZ3C4Ebd+deCFguLnVxSim 4l1W1bAjtNXV2/66RWaY7NrrWziR17QbWSWW4V9Ib
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Frist and Shrub Animal Torturers.
An Ethical Man? (english) Washington Post 6:38am Sat Dec 21 '02 (Modified on 7:56am Sat Dec 21 '02) address: Gardnerville, NV US GOP Senate Leader-to-be, Dr. Bill Frist, confessed to the killing of cats whch he took from animal shelters under the pretense of giving them homes... This is an ethical man? ...Though Frist invested from an early age in HCA stock-the basis of his multimillion- dollar fortune-he decided that he would never play a role in the company that his father and brother, Thomas Frist Jr., built into the largest chain of for-profit hospitals in the country. Instead, Frist threw himself with consuming intensity into becoming a transplant surgeon. In an episode that he now says he deeply regrets, Frist toured animal shelters around Boston, offering to care for stray cats that he then killed for medical experiments. 'Medical school,' he wrote, 'was in the business of stripping human beings of everything but the raw, almost insane, ambition you must have simply to get through.'... -from: The Doctor as Dealmaker? -WP The Doctor as Dealmaker? -WP add your own comments SIGN OF PSYCHOPATHY. Jordan Thornton 7:27am Check out the research into Psychopathy at the university of Vancouver, and the book Psychopaths In Suits written by the head researcher, which explains how our present both rewards and encourages psychopathic traits and behaviours, and for that reaseon, many of our leaders, and CEO's, are certifiable Psychopaths. Might explain the direction in which we're being led. Indeed, we have seen this kind of evil before ... A Welcomed Element Vish Varnay Frist will be a welcomed element into this federal mafia which consists of recycled criminals, demons, perverts, murderers, and sociopaths! Frist and BU$H*T have alot in common when it comes to being sick, and cruel towards the treatment of animals. Here is a piece that ran in the New York Times May 21, 2000 during an interview with a childhood friend of GW BU$H*T. We were terrible to animals; recalled Mr. Throckmorton, laughing. A dip behind the Bush home turned into a small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs would come out. 'Everybody would get B.B. guns and shoot them, 'Mr.Throckmorton said. 'Or we'd put firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow them up!' See-Bush isn't a moron, he's a cunning sociopath http:www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/Conover120502/conover120502.html Maybe BU$H*T and Frist will get together for a B.B.Q. at the ranch, laugh and play together mutilating and shooting frogs and cats, as their weapons of mass destruction mutilate and kill, Iraqi citizens! http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=224392group=webcast
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This is the second installment of a paper by Max Kolskegg. The first section has now been archived in the 'analysis and polemic' section and may be accessed here. Max writes: Those Anarchists! Although the New World Order is presented as a harmonious cross of Democracy and the Market, its underlying reality is quite the reverse. An accurate characterization would be something along the lines of State-Imposed Corporate Oligarchy (SICKO), that is, tyrannical rule of a tiny elite maintained by the brutal physical force of states and the total penetration of psychological control mechanisms. Genoa and its aftermath provide a clear and succinct snapshot of its operations: ruthless crackdown on dissent, pathological application of torture, and a continuous blitz of defamation and denunciation, while behind the scenes the state planners develop new levels of integration and surveillance to suppress future resistance. Now let's ask ourselves again, what exactly do we hope to achieve by pleading with the sickos to let up on us a bit? One image says it all: helpless people at the Diaz school raid, raising their empty hands in signal of total submission, yelling pacifist, pacifist as their skulls were mercilessly cracked open by the Fascist foot-soldiers of capitalism. Anarchists have been warning us about the state for a long time, and trying, rather ineffectively, to keep it at bay. In the past they tended to focus on it almost exclusively, as the hypertrophied form of social hierarchy and institutional coercion. But nowadays many anarchists are savvy to the context in which states operate, and recognize with Marx that the state's modern role includes more than simple suppression of rebellion. Under the conditions of modern capitalism the state is the principal organ for planning capitalism's predations, both against people and the planet, where all capitalists have common interest and the goal is maximal exploitation, as well as the ever- present tendency of the different private concentrations of capital to devour one another wherever possible, a process that requires some overarching control if the anarchy of capital (Marx's term) is not to result in imbalances and undermine the profitability of capital as a whole and the security of its rule. The nation-state is the dominant form historically, but we may be witnessing the growth of new supranational states at present, such as, potentially, the World Trade Organization. It looks like the obvious candidate for this distinctive role, the United Nations, can't serve this function on behalf of capital, as it no doubt would be willing to do, because its structure permits too much sunlight. The new supranational state(s) will be highly secretive. Their task is not an easy one. Global coordination of capital will have to find a way to control the excessive ambitions of individual capitals and regional blocs which are in a condition of perpetual competition. The largest multinational corporations, despite their far-flung operations, still, for historical reasons, maintain strong ties to their nations of origin and have supported regional planning efforts (NAFTA, the FTAA, the European Union, etc.) to increase the physical territory over which they can maintain uncontested control. Unfortunately this raises the competition to the regional level as well, with the development of contending blocs, mainly the Americas (under the domination of the United States), Europe (with Germany in the driver's seat), and East Asia (where Japan seems to have an edge over China). This breakup of the globe into regional factions was accurately foreseen by George Orwell in *Nineteen Eighty-Four*. The reformists in the anti-globalization movement are, whether they admit it or recognize it or not, statists. The solutions they propose and the reforms they seek all presuppose an increase in the interventions of states into social life. They operate with a false analysis of the state as essentially distinct from and potentially opposed to corporations and capital. But in fact the state, in all its modern forms, is a *function* of capitalism. This is perfectly obvious with sickos like George W. Bush or Silvio Berlusconi, but is no less true of Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Vladimir Putin, Fidel Castro, Lionel Jospin or Hugo Chavez. Right or Left, the heads of state are dedicated to capital heart and soul. It's not like these individuals have a choice; they merely supervise the inherent functions of the state, above all the maximizing of profit. All over the world, wherever a leftist party is in power, it is assiduously enforcing the structural adjustments (what an Orwellian term!) of the IMF or World Bank. In this regard the historical Left has been a racket every bit as criminal as the Right. Only the anarchists and a few genuinely revolutionary currents of Marxians have held out against the state as the only possible
Policing Bioterror Research
http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2002/1217/1 Policing Bioterror Research One of science's hottest fields is now becoming one of its most heavily regulated, too. The U.S. government last week unveiled sweeping new bioterror research regulations that will require 20,000 scientists at nearly 1000 laboratories to beef up security--or face hefty fines and jail sentences. The interim rules, due to go into effect early next year, could also force scientists to get prior approval for a growing list of sensitive experiments. Select experts. CDC's Larry Sparks (right) and other government officials answer questions about the new rules. CREDIT: D. MALAKOFF/SCIENCE The 13 December announcements in the Federal Register, which ran nearly 50 pages, are a response to the 2001 anthrax letter attacks. Alarmed by reports of weak security in labs that study deadly viruses, bacteria, and other potential bioweapons, Congress this summer passed a bioterror bill that called for stricter controls on dozens of select agents that could imperil people, farm animals, and crops (Science, 31 May, p. 1585). The new rules, issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta, in conjunction with the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), mete out responsibilities among universities, private companies, and government laboratories. All must agree to unannounced inspections. Labs that handle any of nearly 100 select agents must register with the government, submit detailed physical security and training plans, and provide the names--and probably fingerprints--of all workers for background checks. Moreover, prior approval from the Department of Health and Human Services will be needed for experiments that might make a select agent more toxic or more resistant to known drugs, as well as similar studies that could be added to a restricted list. Some researchers think the list is a good idea. Biochemist Richard Ebright of Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey, says it should include experiments that could lead to better methods for making or spreading bioweapons. It's common sense that such work get stricter scrutiny, he says. But Ron Atlas, a bioterrorism expert at the University of Louisville in Kentucky and president of the American Society for Microbiology, says he's not sure the government should start proscribing experiments . and locking rules into regulations which can be difficult to adjust, he says. He'd rather have the government issue less legalistic guidelines, which better evolve with the times. --DAVID MALAKOFF Related sites CDC and USDA rules http://www.asm.org/ CDC select agent FAQ http://www.cdc.gov/od/sap/docs/faq.pdf FAQ for New Select Agent Regulation (42 CFR 73) General Questions Concerning Select Biological and Toxins 1. What is the Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Act of 2002 and how do I find a copy? On June 12, 2002, President Bush signed the .Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness Response Act of 2002. (Public Law 107-188). The law is designed to improve the ability of the United States to prevent, prepare for, and respond to bioterrorism and other public health emergencies. Section 202(a) of the Law requires that all persons possessing biological agents or toxins deemed a threat to public health to notify the Secretary, Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). Section 213(b) of Law requires all persons possessing biological agents or toxins deemed a threat to animal or plant health and to animal or plant products notify the Secretary, United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). The Law also requires that both Secretaries be notified when a person possesses agents that appear on both the HHS and the USDA list of agents and toxins. These agents and toxins have been designated HHS/USDA overlap agents. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been designated as the HHS agency responsible for providing guidance on this notification. The Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) has been designated as the USDA agency responsible for providing guidance on this notification. For more information on the Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Act of 2002 (Public Law 107-188) see: http://www.cdc.gov/od/sap/bioterro.htm Subsequent to the enactment of Public Law 107-188, requirements for facilities or entities that possess, use, or transfer select agents and toxins have been published by HHS (42 CFR 73; December 13, 2002) and by USDA (9 CFR 121 and 7 CFR 331; December 13, 2002). 2. What is the USA PATRIOT Act and how does it relate to the new select agent regulation? Where can I find a copy? The USA PATRIOT Act is a law signed by President Bush on October 26, 2001, that places restrictions on persons who possess select agents and provides criminal penalties for possession of such agents that cannot be justified for
How robust is SpeakFreely?
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Re: How robust is SpeakFreely?
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First SC Marcos,now Weird Al and the Arschloch Nessie monster are dissing anarchism and anarchists...I dunno what we did to deserve it but it may indicate an outbreak of real anarchy south of the border. Deconstructing the Al and Nessie Show Trial by profrv@etc Saturday December 21, 2002 at 10:54 AM profrv@(nospam)fuckmicrosoft.com This is a longish response to the 'interview' between 'Nessie' and weird Al Giordano,where both insult anarchists and the readers intelligence. When anarchist frauds Nessie and Al Giordano get together the bs runs free.Please enjoy my take on their mendacity. Longish piece from a longer one at SF Indy. SF-IMC Interviews Al Giordano About Venezuela, the Media and Anarchism, by Nessie Full Article: http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1552703.php Subject: You can call me Al. Alarm bells...Nessie consults an 'expert',okay,fine,lets rely on 'experts' all our lives. Expert Al Quotes old Karl Marx and Negri...mmm,some expert,those guys need armies of experts to translate. The guy with the pipe and the pen is beginning to speak again. Whoopty Doo,did you hear HIM on anarchists lately.What are we Masochists all of a sudden? The third big event of 2002 was November's surprise election of Colonel Lucio Gutiérrez in Ecuador. Again, the positive military symbol, exorcising, like Marcos and Chávez before him, the ghosts of the military juntas of the late 20th century. More alarm bells,does anyone remember Castro,Che? HELLO! ...Al Giordano: Somebody claims to be an anarchist and we have to take them seriously? What have they ever done?... Indeed.What anarchists has big Al quoted in this interview up till then? a true-to-life anarcho-syndicalist of strong Situationist tendencies. One moribund tendency,one stone dead. ...This libertario group is nothing more than a few dilettantes who have never accomplished anything. Serious revolutionaries and anarchists down here laugh at them, and suspect their motives. I don't think this group is showing any leadership, intelligence, or analysis, at this hour of moral crisis and I can't help but wonder about their motives. If you're in the White House situation room and watching your coup in Venezuela fall apart, in part because of actions on IndyMedia like the hundreds of signatures adding up on DC IndyMedia against the Bush coup plot, what do you do? If you're the White House, and you've failed to divide the left from the right, you try to divide it from the left. Don't you? It seems very transparent to me. If you'll recall, the same kind of group pops up from time to time to attack the Zapatistas in Mexico. It's a standard element of disinfo campaigns. It pisses me off, too. How dare these non-entities use the word anarchist to try and divide us on a basic issue: Are we for a coup d'etat or not? Once one makes the decision that, no, we're not for a coup d'etat, whatever differences in shades we have with the elected government - and of course you, I, and most other people have differences with any government! - become irrelevant... Denounce the deviationists,accuse them of being dillettantes AND counterrevolutionaries and then attempt to stampede the masses.This guy Al is good.You are with us,or you are with the terrorists. ...The issue right now is the coup: yes or no. I distrust protagonists like those in this libertarios group who want to confuse people right now... And I distrust those who say absolutely,YES or NO as a demand,don't you? I also worry less everyday about people being confused...unless it's by experts. ...In many ways, they are worse than the overt coup-mongers, because they are less honest about their true agenda... Now wouldn't a real gonzo journalist check his sources before saying stuff like this? Maybe they are a the CIA but we'll never know from this 'expert' commentary. ...Al Giordano: I think the post by these so-called anarchists, and their timing, is a cowardly act of aggression against the progress of all Latin American social movements right now... This is like the Marcos Committe response to 'Ted Kascinski.'Over the top hyperbole that does little to inspire confidence. ...Al Giordano: If you put aside some of the personal bile in Murray Bookchin's dialectic of lifestyle anarchism vs. social anarchism, he in fact made a very good point. There is this kind of incoherent version of anarchism that relates more to punk rock (and I like punk rock, but that is an aesthetic, not a political, taste), nose rings, dyed hair and other superficial fashion statements than it does to Workers Councils or Bolivarian Circles. I mean, I recently got an email from a colleague, the economic libertarian Boston Globe columnist Alex Beam who addressed me as fellow anarchist. And Alex of course was joking because he's not an anarchist and certainly not an anarcho-syndicalist. The word 'anarchist' is often poorly used. Some other prominent left intellectuals have gotten into problems by
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Re: BigBrotherWare
Tim May wrote: Speculation: I expect the battles over cyberspace to shift to the OS, with the leading private (non open source) OS makers enlisted in the War Against Illegal Thoughts. The easiest initial front in this war, one the OS companies like Apple and Microsoft have a corporate interest in, is for the OS to more aggressively check for hacks or products not approved. Software registration and signatures will of course not be granted to DVD hacks. This is exactly what Palladium is all about, forcing people to use only approved software. Maybe they'll be md5summing websites for version 2 of palladium and only letting you read approved content. (Much has been made of how the Microsoft- and Intel-backed security regimes will be opt in or voluntary. This seems dubious. It is precisely the non-volunteers who these companies, and Hollywood, and the Nation States, will be most concerned about. So I would expect this opt in approach to not be the full picture.) Microsoft is pushing hard to get palladium into the silicon, with intel and amd happy to comply. It's hard to imagine how it will be voluntary after that happens. -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer, lindows.com hyperpoem.net | GNU/Linux software developer people.debian.org/~mbc | encrypted mail preferred Be the change you wish to see in the world -Mahatma Gandhi
Re: Constant Encrypted Stream
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main problem to solve as I see it would be for legitimate recipients to be able to determine when a message is real and not trash, without letting an adversary know. Access such page via http. Sometimes it's a streamed webcam, sometimes it's an image with a stegano payload. html head titlemystery cam/title meta HTTP-EQUIV=REFRESH CONTENT=1 /head body img src=./blahblah.jpeg alt=sT3g4n0 border=0 /body /html
Snort
My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than, for example, Disney. That's just a guess, though. Bruce With an emphasis on slightly I might tend to agree but it looks more like the difference between liver cancer and kidney failure than it does the difference between perfect health and a cardiac arrest. Disney doesn't have the power to tell me what I may eat or smoke, except in their parks and on their property. Disney doesn't have the power to come to my house and search it (except when they collude with the police or other state-sanctioned actors, such as the SPA). Disney can go bankrupt and vanish if they make the wrong decisions or anger too many people. Disney cannot draft men into their armies and send them to die in foreign wars. Disney cannot establish death camps to liquidate Jews, gypsies, Ukrainians, intellectuals, and capitalist roaders. And so on, for thousands of examples. Other than these examples, yeah, you and Bruce are right that government is slightly fairer than Disney. Snort. Gurgle. Did you overlook the analogy? A miniscule difference in relative measure is irrelevant. --Tim May, Citizen-unit of of the once free United States The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots tyrants. --Thomas Jefferson, 1787
Constant Encrypted Stream
Nothing serious, just throwing a quick thought out... It has been mentioned that you should always use crypto. If you wait until you actually have something private to send, then an adversary will know exactly which message is important. Encrypting everything gives equal suspicion to each message and nobody has the resources to attack all of your mail. So, I was thinking that rather than just encrypt each message, why not just keep a constant encrypted stream open? So, even when you are asleep, computers at each node are bombarding each other with encrypted junk files. Your noise to signal ratio would be phenomenal. The main problem to solve as I see it would be for legitimate recipients to be able to determine when a message is real and not trash, without letting an adversary know. Erle Subscribe to The Gann Letter if you are interested in: varying levels of humor/jokes/quotes, parody/satire, science/space/technology items, cool news, games, programs, pics, and other interesting stuff. subscribe #1: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe #2: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGannLetter/join subscribe #3: gann (at) ganns.com read online : http://ganns.com/TheGannLetter
Re: Constant encrypted stream
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote: And I wonder...with international companies now cracking down on Power-Users of networks like Gnutella, one would think that building-in some crypto capabilities (say into Kazaa) could be something regular people might be willing to pay for. (Or, at the very least, if the Kazaa crypto add-on itself became a shared file, why it would spread like wildfire!) You're misunderstanding things here. If I'm a member of a file sharing network I can quite easily prove violations by pulling up copyrighted content from a given user's IP. The user can more or less plausibly deny responsibility by claiming she's been h4x0red, or that he's running an adaptive swarm delivery p2p client which uses encryption that no one but the end user who knows the document's cryptohash is commiting the (c) violation by assembling scattered content slivers on his system. The technical issues are clear enough -- so it's how your local legislation (and the individual reptile-tailed judge) are seeing it. Clearly you can make it illegal, so users will rely on more hardened prestige-based designs, and packaging delivey infrastructure into semistealthy worms. I hear China is getting plenty of DSL now.
Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 10:35:06AM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: onto the radar of U.S. legislators, who see the danger it poses to the traditional power structures. Unless all those free software programmers are prepared for armed rebellion when their right to share code is taken away, I'm not sure its all going to mean much. It's an absolute last resort that nobody really wants to get into. Nobody like the idea of getting shot at. So as long as they don't have to, they won't. Nobody? There are plenty of people *waiting* for the justification to start shooting. -- It is not the function of our government to keep the| Quit smoking: citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the | 242d, 9h ago citizen to keep the government from falling into error. | petro@ -- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson, | bounty.org
Re: Constant encrypted stream
At 03:01 PM 12/20/02 -0600, Anonymous wrote: Or, alternatively, if Crypto use by everyday folks was as common as, saying, Gnutella file sharing, then it would be a HELL of a lot harder for invisible ears to pick out potentially interesting encrypted files (how many Gnutella files are shared each day?). That's simply hiding in a crowd. What you want is to wear a disguise, too. Kazaa + stego, dude. -- Intended only for lawful uses. -HP Computer Advert
Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002
From: Vincent Penquerc'h [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disney doesn't have the power to tell me what I may eat or smoke, except in their parks and on their property. [snip] Now, imagine a Disney owning the whole of the land of the USA, and having armed forces the size of the USA. At least, the govt has a structure that makes it more likely to be less effective at oppression. There is still a judiciary, who, when it's not bought out, can act as a kind of counter power. Yes, it's not much at all, and mostly crooked, but I still prefer that than Disney with the aforementionned assets. Damn, and I find myself arguing for the state *washes mouth* When I say state, I am not saying Bush, or any other specific person. I am saying an institution having the monopolies I mentioned earlier. Any such institution is a state - whether called the government of the US or Disney. Any such institution has all the flaws I mentioned - like the impossibility of being fair. Your at least, the govt argument is wrong, because such a Disney IS the govt. (I don't consider the Disney owning the whole USA part, because the US gov't doesn't do that. Disney owning a galaxy wouldn't be inherently wrong. Disney using force to control a small town which it doesn't own is.) Mark
Re: Constant Encrypted Stream
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 10:10:25PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Nothing serious, just throwing a quick thought out... | | It has been mentioned that you should always use crypto. If you wait until | you actually have something private to send, then an adversary will know | exactly which message is important. Encrypting everything gives equal | suspicion to each message and nobody has the resources to attack all of your | mail. | | So, I was thinking that rather than just encrypt each message, why not just | keep a constant encrypted stream open? So, even when you are asleep, | computers at each node are bombarding each other with encrypted junk | files. Your noise to signal ratio would be phenomenal. | | The main problem to solve as I see it would be for legitimate recipients to | be able to determine when a message is real and not trash, without letting | an adversary know. And then there's economics. Someone has to pay for that noise to signal ratio. Adam -- It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. -Hume
Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002
voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. Those who do not exercise this duty do not deserve to complain about what goes on. I used to be in the non-voting category..then i stopped and stepped out of life and looked at hte gov't..and did not like it..i now vote...that is the way it should be..:) James A. Donald wrote: -- Disney doesn't have the power to tell me what I may eat or smoke, except in their parks and on their property. On 20 Dec 2002 at 10:24, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: Now, imagine a Disney owning the whole of the land of the USA, and having armed forces the size of the USA. If a single corporation owned everything, then it would be a socialist government. If the US government was socialist, if it owned all or nearly all of the means of production. it would behave the same way all other socialist governments have acted -- it would engage in terror and mass murder. The fact that Disney, and lots of other groups own various small things makes me free. Voting does not make me free. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG qikI/Zvu3HswGlLSZkKaevQ3pU6OY28ELljC0Jbd 4cAxIRdESGs/ZREaCsKc0sn3T8IF21aiD8Wwoy3Os -- May God Bless you and everything you touch. My foundation verse: Isiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
Re: Constant Encrypted Stream
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Very good, sir. Your next assignment is to read about Mixmaster anonymous remailer networks. Generally sending uniformly-sized (padded or fragmented or noise) blocks at regular intervals is preferable (and equivalent) to your suggestion of keeping connections open all the time. Also check out The Art of War where Sun Tzu describes using signals to confuse the enemy. We're not doing anything new here, the toys are just more fun to play with is all :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote: I'm not advocating armed rebellion. I'm saying that the current political structures in power have massive political might and are willing to use it to stay in power, as we are witnessing more everyday, and anything that challenges that might will eventually have to face it. Nothing has changed in the past 10,000 years. There are more people now, more toys to play with and things happen faster. I don't see Nero as that much different than W, other than W's mom isn't gonna get offed like Nero's was. She's smarter than her son is :-) As the massive political powers become more corrupt, they make more mistakes. They don't have to think too hard any more because they are massive political powers. That's their weakness, and it's a damn good thing too. Getting them to destroy themselves becomes easier - like the Medici. The Berrata family is still around, mostly because they never decided to be a _political_ power. They have stayed as an economic one. Political structures have to die just like living ones for things to change. I think we'll see things change. But I won't bet how :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
RE: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere
At 6:11 PM -0800 on 12/12/02, Lucky Green wrote: Agreed. A few years ago, some would advocate that on the Internet, no national laws apply. This was, of course, nonsense. Instead, every single national, regional, and local law in effect today anywhere in the world applies to anything you do to the extent that said law can be enforced. Yup. At least until the internet boycott against Australia succeeds, we're closer to Tim May's signatures about ~~this posting void where prohibited by law, may offend local sensibilities, etc~~ than to just speedbumps on the information superhighway. Or at best, they're the kind of speedbumps designed to generate extra business for the local car-repair shops... At 11:10 PM 12/12/2002 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: The next trick will be to drive a stake into the heart of modern society's present mystification of identity and is-a-person credentials by moving money and financial assets, significantly cheaper than we do now, using systems that don't require identity at all to clear and settle transactions. Systems which are, paradoxically, cheaper *because* they're anonymous, or at least, identity agnostic, just like physics is religiously agnostic. It was nice to believe this for a while. Is there any evidence that it's actually becoming practical or even possible to have identity-less systems that are less expensive than current processes? Moore's Law is making it easier to afford fast crypto, but it and the similar effects in networking costs are making identity-based settlement systems progressively cheaper, to the extent that it may not be worth switching. Or is that just because the companies that have the critical patents keep going nowhere while they keep the technology locked down? I'm reminded somewhat of the IP telephony situation - it's east to get ham-radio-quality VOIP to talk to your friends, and building a whole new infrastructure based on VOIP would be radically cheaper than building it with old technology, and replacing the whole antique structure at once would be impossible, but would also be much cheaper than doing it piecemeal, because the interconnections between the old and new sides are ugly. It's easy to get incremental 0.1 cent minutes, instead of 2-cent minutes, but there's enough fixed startup cost that it's not worth it for most business applications (though it would be worth it to replace 29-cent minutes.)
Status of SMS encryption project?
Ultimately, what we need is encrypted voice. Al Quaida sure do.Dragon speaking has some Drs and lawyers packages,so maybe they have a crypto option.A local Dr here had his laptop seized recently so I imagine there is at least a small market. http://www.dragontalk.com/ORDERINFO.htm I'll write and ask. Eric Blossom's Starium is busy working on providing that feature for both land line telephones and mobiles. How to purchase and forward? This could be lucrative line of business for the Soprano waste management Firm. However, no add-on crypto will defend against the location escrow universally employed by cellular providers. As long as your mobile is turned on, your movement will be tracked and stored, Is that why the freedom fighters have a lot of throwaways? SMS is huge down here,I have a program to send them from the PC.SMS Sender 1.01. Cutting and pasting,attack at dawn,in PGP/GPG should be possible,yes? File Transit Inc. - Freeware, Shareware and Demo Software ... ... Smart Sender 1.01, 38, Mail Senders for Windows. ... SmartSound® Movie Maestro 1.01, 2, Macintosh Software. ... SMS Demon 1.1, 25, SMS Utilities for Windows. ... www.filetransit.com/ alphaindex.php?offset=400letter=s - 53k - 20 Dec 2002 - Cached - Similar pages Welcome to FileHungry ... Smart Sender 1.01 Smart Sender is designed to make your E-Mail Marketing ... SMS-it 1.1 SMS-it allows you to send SMS to a mobile phone using your computer. ... The assassinphone of the future looks more and more like a,'one time pad.'
Constant encrypted stream
It has been mentioned that you should always use crypto. If you wait until you actually have something private to send, then an adversary will know exactly which message is important. Or, alternatively, if Crypto use by everyday folks was as common as, saying, Gnutella file sharing, then it would be a HELL of a lot harder for invisible ears to pick out potentially interesting encrypted files (how many Gnutella files are shared each day?). And I wonder...with international companies now cracking down on Power-Users of networks like Gnutella, one would think that building-in some crypto capabilities (say into Kazaa) could be something regular people might be willing to pay for. (Or, at the very least, if the Kazaa crypto add-on itself became a shared file, why it would spread like wildfire!) TD
Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo
Anonymous wrote: Like I said before, P2P, Crypto, WiFi and cheap chips will turn everything upside down. I'm curious as to what makes you, or anyone on this list, think that these technologies by themselves will cause any sort of political upheaval. Lawrence Lessig has talked about how technologies, as long as they're created and controlled by people and corporations operating within the laws and boundaries of some country, can be regulated to express the will of governments. Your MAC address is already sent out in every packet that your machine generates, so with that, a snoop could tell a whole hell of a lot about what you're doing. What's to say that these technologies are not going to be shaped to meet the needs and wants of the transnational corporations that run our government? I think that Bruce Schneier's terse comment just illustrates the flippant attitude that lots of geeks have towards politics, and that lots of people have also. Just because geeks know a lot about technology, doesn't mean that they're impervious to the massive propaganda and mind control that goes on in democratic societies to keep the rabble out of the political process. I just have a hard time seeing the bridge between armed rebellion against the largest military power the world has ever known, the U.S., and some new networking technologies that are being designed for cisco to make more money. Even beautiful open source efforts like p2p and linux that actually express the will of the people are starting to get onto the radar of U.S. legislators, who see the danger it poses to the traditional power structures. Unless all those free software programmers are prepared for armed rebellion when their right to share code is taken away, I'm not sure its all going to mean much. -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer, lindows.com hyperpoem.net | GNU/Linux software developer people.debian.org/~mbc | encrypted mail preferred Be the change you wish to see in the world -Mahatma Gandhi
Re: Constant Encrypted Stream
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: The moral equivalent of the pre-telegraph French semaphore soldiers doing the macarena... :-) To the tune of I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok. :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
status of SMS encryption project?
All (esp. lucky) - I was curious what the status of the SMS encryption project quoted in the below post is? I did some googling and saw almost nothing on the subject. thanks * To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Subject: Re: AUCRYPTO: RE: Cellular Phone Anonymity/Privacy (was Israli cellphone) * From: Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:22:01 -0400 * Old-Subject: Re: AUCRYPTO: RE: Cellular Phone Anonymity/Privacy (was Israli cellphone) * Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Tim K wrote: [quoting somebody] Of course they can always track who you call. They can listen in on the conversation. Thats what gpg-phone is for. As far as anonymity with the person your dialing I'm not sure. Maybe Lucky can comment. I know he had a Nokia Project going a while ago. Certainly nothing seems to be no new ideas under the cryto sun. Seems the original post never made it to me. Anyway, the project I was thinking of related to encrypting SMS messages. I discovered that while it was possible to modify Nokia firmware to support SMS encryption, there were easier solutions by running the SMS through a PC. There are other projects underway that provide encrypted SMS messages using a Basic STAMP computer. Sorry, I am not in a position to disclose details at this time. Ultimately, what we need is encrypted voice. Eric Blossom's Starium is busy working on providing that feature for both land line telephones and mobiles. However, no add-on crypto will defend against the location escrow universally employed by cellular providers. As long as your mobile is turned on, your movement will be tracked and stored, ready to be retrieved at any time in the future upon request by law enforcement or parties willing to incentivise the $10/hour guy with access to the database. There seem to be few automated profiling systems in place today, but that will change over the next few years. -- Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP v5 encrypted email preferred.
Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote: I think that Bruce Schneier's terse comment just illustrates the flippant attitude that lots of geeks have towards politics, and that lots of people have also. Just because geeks know a lot about technology, doesn't mean that they're impervious to the massive propaganda and mind control that goes on in democratic societies to keep the rabble out of the political process. Group think isn't qute the same a mind control. Nobody actually controls the masses, but smart and dangerous folks know how to ride them. Sitting back and watching the mob can give you a clue where not to stand I just have a hard time seeing the bridge between armed rebellion against the largest military power the world has ever known, the U.S., and some new networking technologies that are being designed for cisco to make more money. Even beautiful open source efforts like p2p and linux that actually express the will of the people are starting to get onto the radar of U.S. legislators, who see the danger it poses to the traditional power structures. Unless all those free software programmers are prepared for armed rebellion when their right to share code is taken away, I'm not sure its all going to mean much. It's an absolute last resort that nobody really wants to get into. Nobody like the idea of getting shot at. So as long as they don't have to, they won't. Be the change you wish to see in the world -Mahatma Gandhi So how we gonna change the world dude? Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo
Mike Rosing wrote: On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote: I just have a hard time seeing the bridge between armed rebellion against the largest military power the world has ever known, the U.S., and some new networking technologies that are being designed for cisco to make more money. Even beautiful open source efforts like p2p and linux that actually express the will of the people are starting to get onto the radar of U.S. legislators, who see the danger it poses to the traditional power structures. Unless all those free software programmers are prepared for armed rebellion when their right to share code is taken away, I'm not sure its all going to mean much. It's an absolute last resort that nobody really wants to get into. Nobody like the idea of getting shot at. So as long as they don't have to, they won't. Be the change you wish to see in the world -Mahatma Gandhi So how we gonna change the world dude? I'm not advocating armed rebellion. I'm saying that the current political structures in power have massive political might and are willing to use it to stay in power, as we are witnessing more everyday, and anything that challenges that might will eventually have to face it. -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer, lindows.com hyperpoem.net | GNU/Linux software developer people.debian.org/~mbc | encrypted mail preferred Be the change you wish to see in the world -Mahatma Gandhi
Re: BigBrotherWare
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 12:50:57PM -0800, Michael Cardenas wrote: Tim May wrote: (Much has been made of how the Microsoft- and Intel-backed security regimes will be opt in or voluntary. This seems dubious. It is precisely the non-volunteers who these companies, and Hollywood, and the Nation States, will be most concerned about. So I would expect this opt in approach to not be the full picture.) Microsoft is pushing hard to get palladium into the silicon, with intel and amd happy to comply. It's hard to imagine how it will be voluntary after that happens. S. Jobs isn't all that hip on Palladium style stuff (although he'll do what he's told), and linux runs on anything. The Europeans will be incredibly dubious of any chip/os level security after what the NSA has done to them over the years, so they'll probably form a committee to design something similar but incompatible. Being that it'll come out of a committee, it'll take 10 years to get a spec, and drive development of single-die multi-cpu chip architecture, which will get us cheap SMP boxes. I'm not all that worried about it, after all, outside of graphic design software Linux already does everything I need, and more than most people need. Sure, it's not as polished, as integrated etc. But it's about at the level of Windows95, if you use something like KDE or GNOME. -- I stand on principle, because it's the only place where I| Quit smoking: don't get shit on my boots. | 242d, 9h ago | petro@ | bounty.org
RE: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002
-- Disney doesn't have the power to tell me what I may eat or smoke, except in their parks and on their property. On 20 Dec 2002 at 10:24, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: Now, imagine a Disney owning the whole of the land of the USA, and having armed forces the size of the USA. If a single corporation owned everything, then it would be a socialist government. If the US government was socialist, if it owned all or nearly all of the means of production. it would behave the same way all other socialist governments have acted -- it would engage in terror and mass murder. The fact that Disney, and lots of other groups own various small things makes me free. Voting does not make me free. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG qikI/Zvu3HswGlLSZkKaevQ3pU6OY28ELljC0Jbd 4cAxIRdESGs/ZREaCsKc0sn3T8IF21aiD8Wwoy3Os
Misconceptions about how remailers work
On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 12:34 PM, Michael Cardenas wrote: Anonymous wrote: Like I said before, P2P, Crypto, WiFi and cheap chips will turn everything upside down. I'm curious as to what makes you, or anyone on this list, think that these technologies by themselves will cause any sort of political upheaval. Lawrence Lessig has talked about how technologies, as long as they're created and controlled by people and corporations operating within the laws and boundaries of some country, can be regulated to express the will of governments. Your MAC address is already sent out in every packet that your machine generates, so with that, a snoop could tell a whole hell of a lot about what you're doing. What's to say that these technologies are not going to be shaped to meet the needs and wants of the transnational corporations that run our government? Remailers and Web proxies work in ways that skirt this transparency of MACs and routing that you are referring to. These are the types of technologies we are discussing. The fact that Disney or Lockheed may be using Carnivore- and Echelon-vulnerable technologies does not challenge the points about how better technologies will turn everything upside down. You need to take a look at how anonymous remailers work. Nothing in the incoming packet is sent on to the next node except the encrypted (multiply) payload. For a nested message sent to the chain Alice -- Hans -- Vito -- Fred -- Chen -- Bob -- Zak to be tracked through the remailer chain, a TLA who has access to the packet entering the Alice node must convinced/force Alice to reveal her mappings between inputs and outputs, then convince the next link to do the same, and so on. There are three obvious reasons why this is likely to be very, very difficult to do: 0. As the zeroth item, recall (because this is important), that the canonical Cypherpunks remailer uses a nested chain of encrypted messages. The message from Alice to Zak is first encrypted to Zak's public key. Then this message is encrypted to Bob's public key. And so on. Symbolically, Alice (Hans (Vito (Fred (Chen (Bob (Zak)) What is in each pair of these LISP-style parentheses is a payload. In the Zak payload, a classical ASCII message, for example. Attack at dawn. No MACs, no remnants of the path through the nodes. Just the payload. And inside the Bob payload is the encrypted form of the Zak payload plus the routing instructions, e.g., ::Request-remailing-to: Zak So, talk of MACs and other routing labels is missing the whole point of remailers, that the serial numbers get filed off at each stage. No one anywhere along the chain knows anything more than which node he received a particular message from and which node it is to be sent to. Granted, if all or even most nodes get together to compare mappings they can of course trace a message through the labyrinth. This is the collusion problem, discussed in many papers and often here. The Dining Cryptographer's approach also has a collusion problem, which Chaum, Pfitzmann, etc. deal with in various ways. There is no indication this has ever been a problem, as most remailer operators will not disclose even their logs, let alone routinely compare logs with other remailers. Reputations are important in this problem. On to the difficulties: 1. At least some of the nodes may keep no logs whatsoever of mappings between inputs and outputs. For example, Hans runs a Mixmaster node in Mannheim. Logs are sent to dev/null. So when the BND, liaising with the FBI, demands logs from a communication some days earlier, he has nothing to give them. Repeat this up to M times. 2. Alice may choose to use her own node as a stage in the chain. If the investigators ever track a message back to her, a dead man switch wipes the records. (Technical issues on how to do this are a minor exercise.) The important being that having oneself in the loop has many advantages, and no obvious disadvantages. 3. If only one of the links refuses to cooperate, or has no records, or has a nonfunctional machine/disk, the chain is broken. (Insert usual discussion of thermite here.) The message payloads (what is in each pair of parentheses above) carry no information about the routing. Even sniffing the entire network only shows that N messages entered Hans' node during some period and that M messages left during some period. The mapping from the set of N to the set of M may not be one-to-one. Dummy messages might have been added (cover traffic). Delays may be programmed in. The sender may have requested a fixed delay, and so on. A sniffing agency will have a hard time determining the routing of the message from Alice to Bob, or of course even that the message sent to Zak actually had Zak as the intended recipient. (A good thing for Zak to do is to be a remailer operator himself, and then take any message he received addressed to him and send it on (or
Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote: Ahh... I meant massive military might. Not a whole lot of difference usually :-) mike
RE: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo
Mike Rosing[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote [...] The Berrata family is still around, mostly because they never decided to be a _political_ power. They have stayed as an economic one. [...] I think you meant the *Beretta* family, who have been making fine fireams since the 1520's. Other really old companies: Stora Enso Oyj of Helsinki, Finland, a paper and board maker, began as a copper mine in central Sweden in 1288. Sumitomo Corp. of Tokyo was founded as a book and medicine shop in Kyoto in the early 1600s by Masatomo Sumitomo. Peter Trei
RE: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: I think you meant the *Beretta* family, who have been making fine fireams since the 1520's. Yup, my spelling sucks :-) Other really old companies: Stora Enso Oyj of Helsinki, Finland, a paper and board maker, began as a copper mine in central Sweden in 1288. Sumitomo Corp. of Tokyo was founded as a book and medicine shop in Kyoto in the early 1600s by Masatomo Sumitomo. Cool. Nice to know it's a world wide trend :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: Misconceptions about how remailers work
Tim May wrote: On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 12:34 PM, Michael Cardenas wrote: Anonymous wrote: Like I said before, P2P, Crypto, WiFi and cheap chips will turn everything upside down. I'm curious as to what makes you, or anyone on this list, think that these technologies by themselves will cause any sort of political upheaval. Lawrence Lessig has talked about how technologies, as long as they're created and controlled by people and corporations operating within the laws and boundaries of some country, can be regulated to express the will of governments. Your MAC address is already sent out in every packet that your machine generates, so with that, a snoop could tell a whole hell of a lot about what you're doing. What's to say that these technologies are not going to be shaped to meet the needs and wants of the transnational corporations that run our government? Remailers and Web proxies work in ways that skirt this transparency of MACs and routing that you are referring to. These are the types of technologies we are discussing. The fact that Disney or Lockheed may be using Carnivore- and Echelon-vulnerable technologies does not challenge the points about how better technologies will turn everything upside down. ... There are other forms of traffic besides email that are significant. These sorts of things have been covered in many of the past messages on this list and in tutorials and reviews. I recommend my own article in Vernor Vinge's True Names and the Opening of the Cyberspace Frontier. Still being sold at Borders and other bookstores, so you can read my article there for free. I've read your article there, and it was very interesting. That's why I'm here. I just didn't see the bridge from the technology to the revolution clearly articulated in your essay either. -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer, lindows.com hyperpoem.net | GNU/Linux software developer people.debian.org/~mbc | encrypted mail preferred Be the change you wish to see in the world -Mahatma Gandhi
Re: Bruce Schneier Hullabaloo
On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:07:34 -0800 (PST), you wrote: Michael Cardenas wrote: (Begin Quote) I'm curious as to what makes you, or anyone on this list, think that these technologies by themselves will cause any sort of political upheaval...What's to say that these technologies are not going to be shaped to meet the needs and wants of the transnational corporations that run our government? (End Quote) The high ranking for power concentration you implicity give to transnationals is undeserved and you are fearful of the wrong threat. The humblest meter maid can commence a process against you with consequences far greater than those that can be directed your way by the CEO of the most loathsome transnational company. That meter maid can write you a ticket. If unpaid, you will be fined. If unpaid again, your property will be seized. If you resist having your property seized, you will be beaten. If you resist being beaten, you will be shot until dead. Your most dreaded CEO can only dream for the power of a meter maid. It's governments, stupid.
Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002
-- On 20 Dec 2002 at 19:26, William Warren wrote: voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. No matter who you vote for, a politician always gets elected. Those who do not exercise this duty do not deserve to complain about what goes on. By voting, you give the appearance of consent to what the government does to you. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG xmBBW56MrvFmh7U6fPSMDbyYqa+PTDPhTlRLmwmD 4cHSTvSFFo32sjmnBGPqe0vLtp3CfQhXyVLccQaXm
re:constant encryped stream
hi, Nothing serious, just throwing a quick thought out... It has been mentioned that you should always use crypto. If you wait until you actually have something private to send, then an adversary will know exactly which message is important. Don't encrypt,post it by snail mail.I remember reading this in pgp's help document. It addresses why we glue over our envelope and seal it.It ofcourse is concealing(for the govt) and privacy (for the user).The govt. never asks letters not to be glued and sealed because of the vast majority of people using it. But at the slightest at the use of encryption will raise their brows. This issue can only be fully solved when the vast majority of people begin using encryption. Encrypted spam wouldn't be a bad idea either. Regards Sarath. Encrypting everything gives equal suspicion to each message and nobody has the resources to attack all of your mail. So, I was thinking that rather than just encrypt each message, why not just keep a constant encrypted stream open? So, even when you are asleep, computers at each node are bombarding each other with encrypted junk files. Your noise to signal ratio would be phenomenal. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re:Hullabo
hi, Be the change you wish to see in the world -Mahatma Gandhi So how we gonna change the world dude? Arise the masses,how he did that-I have no clue.How ever he did that in the 1940's when the only method of mass communication was radio(british controlled) and new paper(again british controlled).To bring together a diverse,multilingual,multicultural society like India was never easy. If we can seriously figure that out-we may change the world :) Regards Sarath Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002
-- William Warren voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. In http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Price_Theory/PThy_Chapter_19/PT hy_Chap_19.html David Friedman explains why democracy does not work. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG EE2kJk6NPO8w6BAmEjpZ3C4Ebd+deCFguLnVxSim 4l1W1bAjtNXV2/66RWaY7NrrWziR17QbWSWW4V9Ib
Re: How robust is SpeakFreely?
On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 07:40:34PM +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote: | | http://www.speakfreely.org/ is a nice, open-source cross-platfor VoIP | software. Supports encryption by DES, Blowfish, and IDEA. | | Had anyone knowledgeable ever looked at its code? How secure this | implementation is? Is better to use Blowfish or IDEA? Where are the | potential holes there? Use Blowfish, you avoid worrying about if you have to worry about patent issues. There are probably buffer overflows, and other problems with the code. But its probably no worse than other VOIP code, and is clearly more secure than code which doesn't encrypt. Adam -- It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. -Hume
Re: Misconceptions about how remailers work
On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 04:48 PM, Michael Cardenas wrote: Tim May wrote: Remailers and Web proxies work in ways that skirt this transparency of MACs and routing that you are referring to. These are the types of technologies we are discussing. The fact that Disney or Lockheed may be using Carnivore- and Echelon-vulnerable technologies does not challenge the points about how better technologies will turn everything upside down. ... There are other forms of traffic besides email that are significant. Yes, which is why I also cited Web proxies. I gave the e-mail example in detail because it makes it crystal clear that MACs attached to packets are not a showstopper. The payload of a message, whether it is digital money, age credentials, e-mail, Web requests, Usenet posts, return receipts, etc. can easily be separated from outer wrappers. In fact, the whole approach we favor is that the payloads themselves do the authentication (such as may be needed), and so on. Thus end-to-end encryption is an example of this...none of the various tags and wrappers inserted along the way are important or essential to what's in the payload. I've read your article there, and it was very interesting. That's why I'm here. I just didn't see the bridge from the technology to the revolution clearly articulated in your essay either. You said that the cruft often added by various machines, such as MACs and other Internet barnacles, are a showstopper which breaks anonymity and untraceability. I demonstrated that for a working system, remailer and Web proxies, this is not so. It is true that I didn't make this argument in my essay in the Vinge book...it didn't seem necessary to point out that tags added to packets are trivially removed. (This is one reason Big Brother has been trying to get limits placed on crypto, with escrow of keys and signature tools, and with his own machines doing the encryption, sort of like saying Sealed envelopes are terrorist tools. Bring your letters to the Post Office and we will handle your security needs.) --Tim May You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged. - -Michael Shirley
How robust is SpeakFreely?
http://www.speakfreely.org/ is a nice, open-source cross-platfor VoIP software. Supports encryption by DES, Blowfish, and IDEA. Had anyone knowledgeable ever looked at its code? How secure this implementation is? Is better to use Blowfish or IDEA? Where are the potential holes there?
Re: Bruce Schneier Hullabaloo
On Saturday 21 December 2002 08:45 am, Anonymous wrote: The high ranking for power concentration you implicity give to transnationals is undeserved and you are fearful of the wrong threat. The humblest meter maid can commence a process against you with consequences far greater than those that can be directed your way by the CEO of the most loathsome transnational company. That meter maid can write you a ticket. If unpaid, you will be fined. If unpaid again, your property will be seized. If you resist having your property seized, you will be beaten. If you resist being beaten, you will be shot until dead. Your most dreaded CEO can only dream for the power of a meter maid. U, how about. 1. Big multi-national corporation buys off politicians to pass laws to protect their business model (DMCA anyone ?) 2. Gets meter maid to enforce said law. 3. See above. Ahhh, I see. Let's just get rid of the middle-man (government) and then the corps can take take of enforcement directly (pirate a song, get whacked). Much more efficient I would guess. -- Neil Johnson PGP key available on request.
Re: Policing Bioterror Research
On Saturday, December 21, 2002, at 10:07 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2002/1217/1 Policing Bioterror Research One of science's hottest fields is now becoming one of its most heavily regulated, too. The U.S. government last week unveiled sweeping new bioterror research regulations that will require 20,000 scientists at nearly 1000 laboratories to beef up security--or face hefty fines and jail sentences. The interim rules, due to go into effect early next year, could also force scientists to get prior approval for a growing list of sensitive experiments. And where in the United States Constitution is there provision for controlling which experiments may be done, for what research articles may be published, for what thoughts may be thought? None, of course. The fact that some biological research may be dangerous or may be used as a weapon, ultimately, is no different from the fact that some physics research may be dangerous or used as a weapon, or some computer research, or even some mathematics research. This just says the Bill of Rights is no longer operative. (But, hey, EPIC is glad they got the right to distribute union pamphlets left in the New Interpretation. Good to know non-Cypherpunks-friendly activists are still lobbying in D.C.!) (By the way, Eugene, I had to snip out a vast chunk of included text from you message. Please include only URLs for very long pieces. If not, I'll have to killfile you as I have done with other serial posters.) --Tim May
Re: Hullabo
On Saturday, December 21, 2002, at 02:57 AM, Sarad AV wrote: hi, Be the change you wish to see in the world -Mahatma Gandhi So how we gonna change the world dude? Arise the masses,how he did that-I have no clue.How ever he did that in the 1940's when the only method of mass communication was radio(british controlled) and new paper(again british controlled).To bring together a diverse,multilingual,multicultural society like India was never easy. Is this some kind of Indian raghead/Swami humor? Gandhi didn't bring together anything. The country split into at least three pieces after he got the Western government of the British thrown out. All that he ensured was that his particular bunch would control the whip hand. --Tim May, Citizen-unit of of the once free United States The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots tyrants. --Thomas Jefferson, 1787
