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Re: Say goodbye to the ISS
At 8:27 PM -0800 2/2/03, Steve Schear wrote: >As some friends in the U.S. space program had privately predicted, and the >New York Times is today reporting, unless the problem with the Shuttle can >be quickly identified and convincingly rectified to worried legislators, >the International Space Station may have to be moth balled and the NASA >manned space program put on hold. >http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/02/science/02cnd-stati.html I heard someone today suggesting that it was time to replace the shuttle. After all, it's 25 year old technology. I kind of expect a program to be proposed with all the usual reasons why it is "good for the country". - Bill Frantz | Due process for all| Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | used to be the Ameican | 16345 Englewood Ave. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | way. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
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Re: Say goodbye to the ISS
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 08:27:06PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: > I can't imagine that it would be so difficult to construct a small, > remotely-controlled, gyro stabilized, tethered probe that would be carried > on all shuttle missions and could be deployed from the cargo bay to closely > inspect the exterior of the craft for possible damage. Even if the shuttle > could not be immediately repaired, it could be somehow moored at some part > of the station and left there till a repair mission could be effected or > perhaps sacrificed by a controlled burn re-entry over an unpopulated area > of the earth as some satellites have already ended their days. In any case > astronauts would then not need to "live-test" a possibly damaged shuttle as > those on Columbia did Saturday. If they had thought there was damage, couldn't they have just done a tethered space walk to look at it? I thought space walks were a normal practice on both the shuttle and ISS. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
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Re: Say goodbye to the ISS
(I am replying to the CP list, but suppressing the name of the poster. He/she sent his/her comments to a "recipient list suppressed" private distribution. If people send me comments, don't expect to me to just take them in silence. I will, however, suppress the author unless and until too many such private distributions occur.) On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 08:27 PM, X wrote: As some friends in the U.S. space program had privately predicted, and the New York Times is today reporting, unless the problem with the Shuttle can be quickly identified and convincingly rectified to worried legislators, the International Space Station may have to be moth balled and the NASA manned space program put on hold. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/02/science/02cnd-stati.html I was shocked to learn Saturday that NASA had not a mechanism to adequately inspect the exterior of the shuttles for damage before the return to earth. The reasons given seem to imply that NASA's ability for EVAs was very limited and did not generally include on most flight the possibility of such examinations. Further there was no effective ground or ISS-based observation method either. I can't imagine that it would be so difficult to construct a small, remotely-controlled, gyro stabilized, tethered probe that would be carried on all shuttle missions and could be deployed from the cargo bay to closely inspect the exterior of the craft for possible damage. Even if the shuttle could not be immediately repaired, it could be somehow moored at some part of the station and left there till a repair mission could be effected or perhaps sacrificed by a controlled burn re-entry over an unpopulated area of the earth as some satellites have already ended their days. In any case astronauts would then not need to "live-test" a possibly damaged shuttle as those on Columbia did Saturday. Yes, there are many things which could be done if a shuttle were to have been determined to have lost a lot of tiles: -- as you say, and as incredulous observers have been saying most of today, it is bizarre that no means of looking "under the wing" has ever been developed. NASA is saying "we never developed any method of looking under the wing because we knew that damage there is unrepairable...better just to not think about it" (I'm paraphrasing their ostrich-like words) -- at least put N -1 of the passengers on the ISS for later retrieval; the pilot could take the shuttle down and at least reduce the danger to the others -- as you suggest, park the Shuttle at the ISS and retrieve the crew, then fix the damaged shuttle later (even doing a temporary glue job with some extra tiles has got to be better than simply shrugging and saying "We can't do anything." If nothing else, knowing a critical number of tiles have been damaged means some crew can be take off, or a different descent path taken, or maybe even a different reentry profile followed.) -- at least don't let it come down over the central part of the U.S., where it was only luck that the debris did not kill people on the ground (Edwards is an OK substitute, as the period of maximum aerodynamic stress occurs well out over the Pacific.) -- as you said, it is shocking that NASA is taking the official view, "Well, we didn't look too closely because there is nothing we could do anyway." Time to clean house. Time to kill the program. Time to kill NASA. It may be necessary to hold criminal trials for the NASA officials involved. (But since the U.S. will not do this, it may be necessary) --Tim May "Ben Franklin warned us that those who would trade liberty for a little bit of temporary security deserve neither. This is the path we are now racing down, with American flags fluttering."-- Tim May, on events following 9/11/2001
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
Think upgrading of circuit boards. Remove old board, insert new board for example. Leaving the old board circling around may not be a good thing. Just for example. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Dave Howe wrote: > Sunder wrote: > > Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the > > shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero > > gravity... uh huh. > Lothe though I am to shed doubt on your consipiracy theories - but the > shuttle was on its way *down*. Why would they be bringing sooper Sekrit spy > satellites back?
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Watching some of the news coverage of the search (from the aptly named Palestine, Texas), it's clear that no search warrants are being gotten for the debris searchers to enter farms, yards, backyards, corporation lands, ranches, etc. The cameras show them simply vaulting fences and looking for anything they can find. When was the Fourth Amendment and "a man's home is his castle" suspended? If a property owner defends his borders with a shotgun, is he shipped to Camp X-Ray? Fuck this country. Fuck it dead. Osama, we beseech you!! --Tim May "The State is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else." --Frederic Bastiat
Say goodbye to the ISS
As some friends in the U.S. space program had privately predicted, and the New York Times is today reporting, unless the problem with the Shuttle can be quickly identified and convincingly rectified to worried legislators, the International Space Station may have to be moth balled and the NASA manned space program put on hold. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/02/science/02cnd-stati.html I was shocked to learn Saturday that NASA had not a mechanism to adequately inspect the exterior of the shuttles for damage before the return to earth. The reasons given seem to imply that NASA's ability for EVAs was very limited and did not generally include on most flight the possibility of such examinations. Further there was no effective ground or ISS-based observation method either. I can't imagine that it would be so difficult to construct a small, remotely-controlled, gyro stabilized, tethered probe that would be carried on all shuttle missions and could be deployed from the cargo bay to closely inspect the exterior of the craft for possible damage. Even if the shuttle could not be immediately repaired, it could be somehow moored at some part of the station and left there till a repair mission could be effected or perhaps sacrificed by a controlled burn re-entry over an unpopulated area of the earth as some satellites have already ended their days. In any case astronauts would then not need to "live-test" a possibly damaged shuttle as those on Columbia did Saturday. steve "Reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard P. Feynman
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Bill Frantz wrote: > At 10:19 AM -0800 2/2/03, Tim May wrote: > >Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at > >the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 > >times faster than the speed of light." > "Please mister spaceman, won't you please take me along for a ride." > - J. McGuinn In another teletext moment on CNN, the shuttle was described as traveling at "Mock 18." Clearly, the guy who did the legendary "Nigger Innis" interview is still employed. The nonsense we are hearing about the danger of the shuttle debris is typical of the new "truth" as defined by the religious and political right wing. "Truth" is no longer the opposite of false. It is what makes the Sheeple act according to the morality of the day. Thus, "liquid nitrogen on the shuttle debris can combine with atmospheric oxygen to produce oxides of nitrogen which are fatal when inhaled" is "true" because it keeps people from touching shuttle debris. "This is your brain on drugs" is "true" because it keeps people from smoking pot. "There are 100,000 pay child porn sites on the Web" is "true," because it causes people to exaggerate a problem for which the government wants zero tolerance. Similarly "The Islamic world is mad at at us because they hate our freedom" is "true." "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists" is "true." etc... You see, there are "real facts," and then there are "good facts." Orwell would be pleased. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
Re: punk and free markets
At 01:56 PM 2/2/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Yes perhaps. I try not to think too much (I don't trust 'thinking' unless its mathematics or a good experimental setup), but I'll ponder for a while, to the extent that I am able Well, my response was meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek, of course, and I'm sure I deserved whatever polite reprimand lurked within John Young's, um, reply. But no subscriber, at least to a first approximation, has the power to shut others up here ("come on out and enforce whatever ideology it is desired we bow down to"). If you think that Tim is being critical, well, that's the way that Tim is sometimes. Go ahead and killfile him. I routed two subscribers to my trash folder years ago on the account I use to subscribe to cypherpunks and do not regret it. Not only is complaining not going to work, it's not a very cypherpunkly thing to do (to the extent that there is any commonly-held understanding of cypherpunkly duties, you know). :) -Declan
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Tim May wrote... "Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light." Yes, "speed of light." " Yo Choate! Want to take a crack at this? Please explain using your theories how the shuttle can be traveling 18 times faster than light! -TD "Ain't I a stinker?" BB From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!" Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:19:27 -0800 Journalists may as well be saying the above, saying that shuttle debris has evil spirits which can come out if the debris is touched. Part of the dumbing down of America, and of journalism. (I just heard one Fox News anchorbimbo referring to the Russian rocket launched today as "bringing supplies to the space station.) The journalists are spouting the NASA line that shuttle debris may be "hot" and may have dangerous substances. Right. As if the heat and spinning and 12000 mph turbulence hasn't scrubbed every surface of its volatiles. What they want is for people not to collect the pieces and hang on to them on their fireplace mantles. Or to try to sell them at flea markets and EBay. But the only way they think they can frighten people off is to utter obvious gibberish about how the pieces are "hot" and "may be toxic." "DALLAS (AP) - From corrosive fuels to ammonia-like liquids, insulation and plastics, space shuttle Columbia carried a witch's brew of toxic and caustic materials designed to work in the hostile environment of space. "Authorities warned the public to stay away from shuttle debris because it could be harmful. "Perry said either liquid oxygen from the shuttle's fuel system or liquid nitrogen used to inflate the tires could be dangerous. " Right. Those charred and warped pieces of metal are going to have liquid oxygen and/or liquid nitrogen on them...after the fall and after sitting on the ground (not to mentioned being so "hot," other NASA droids and reporters report). (Needless to say, any look at the images of the designated officials picking up the bits of debris shows no HAZMAT suits, no welding gloves to deal with the "hot" debris. The pickup crews are just wearing ordinary coveralls and uniforms.) Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light." Yes, "speed of light." Speaking of journalists, why does Wolf Blitzer repeat this obvious lie about the metal bits and pieces being tainted by evil spirits? Because these so-called journalists are stooges for the state. A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. And they certainly didn't stay hot for long. NASA is trying to get us to feed you jive so you'll be properly frightened and won't touch them.?" --Tim May, Occupied America "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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Declan: Yes perhaps. I try not to think too much (I don't trust 'thinking' unless its mathematics or a good experimental setup), but I'll ponder for a while, to the extent that I am able -TD From: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: punk and free markets Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:48:40 -0500 On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 06:33:50PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: > name cypherpunks) has aspects of that character. But it always pisses me off > when I see the local jocks or other thoughtpolice come on out and enforce > whatever ideology it is desired we bow down to. "Jocks enforcing ideology" seems to me to be a concept coterminous with "flaming the clueless." :) -Declan _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 05:32 AM, Ken Hirsch wrote: I don't think there are any difficult legal issues involved. If you drop your wallet on someone's property, it is still your wallet. If you crash your car onto somebody's front yard, it's still your car (for better or worse). If a plane crashes carrying U.S. mail, the Post Office gathers up whatever mail it can find and tries to deliver it. Would you have it any other way? But if I go outside and find an object in my yard, it is not a felony to touch it. And, in fact, I have no special obligation to not touch it, not take it in my house, etc. To have it otherwise would mean every time I find an unexpected item in my yard or on my property in general I am not allowed to touch it. Even if ownership was in question, does anybody really think it's a good idea to sell the pieces of evidence while the accident investigation is going on? This wasn't the issue. --Tim May "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -- Nietzsche
"Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
Journalists may as well be saying the above, saying that shuttle debris has evil spirits which can come out if the debris is touched. Part of the dumbing down of America, and of journalism. (I just heard one Fox News anchorbimbo referring to the Russian rocket launched today as "bringing supplies to the space station.) The journalists are spouting the NASA line that shuttle debris may be "hot" and may have dangerous substances. Right. As if the heat and spinning and 12000 mph turbulence hasn't scrubbed every surface of its volatiles. What they want is for people not to collect the pieces and hang on to them on their fireplace mantles. Or to try to sell them at flea markets and EBay. But the only way they think they can frighten people off is to utter obvious gibberish about how the pieces are "hot" and "may be toxic." "DALLAS (AP) - From corrosive fuels to ammonia-like liquids, insulation and plastics, space shuttle Columbia carried a witch's brew of toxic and caustic materials designed to work in the hostile environment of space. "Authorities warned the public to stay away from shuttle debris because it could be harmful. "Perry said either liquid oxygen from the shuttle's fuel system or liquid nitrogen used to inflate the tires could be dangerous. " Right. Those charred and warped pieces of metal are going to have liquid oxygen and/or liquid nitrogen on them...after the fall and after sitting on the ground (not to mentioned being so "hot," other NASA droids and reporters report). (Needless to say, any look at the images of the designated officials picking up the bits of debris shows no HAZMAT suits, no welding gloves to deal with the "hot" debris. The pickup crews are just wearing ordinary coveralls and uniforms.) Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light." Yes, "speed of light." Speaking of journalists, why does Wolf Blitzer repeat this obvious lie about the metal bits and pieces being tainted by evil spirits? Because these so-called journalists are stooges for the state. A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. And they certainly didn't stay hot for long. NASA is trying to get us to feed you jive so you'll be properly frightened and won't touch them.?" --Tim May, Occupied America "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759.
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Global Fund Awards $866 Million in Grants to Fights AIDS, TB and Malaria 'At the close of its fourth Board meeting, financial statements made clear that Global Fund lacks the resources to approve a third round of grants in October 2003. At least US$ 6.3 billion in additional total contributions are needed over the next two years' ( Global Fund ) » See also this Guardian coverage, this AP article, and this blog entry from July » On Tuesday George W Bush announced in the State of the Union Address that he wanted Congress to vote $15 billion for AIDS relief in Africa and the Caribbean. It's doubtful his motives are pure, however. Only $1 billion of that is earmarked for the Global Fund, which public health officials and activists consider the most effective mechanism for helping poor countries fight AIDS. The rest will go to US-controlled programmes. And yesterday the Global Fund, its coffers depleted, announced that the US Secretary of Health would take over as chairman of its board. Bearing in mind that the Bush administration has consistently hampered AIDS relief efforts by preventing the production of generic anti-retroviral drugs and blocking funding to international programmes that distribute condoms, it appears the USG is now simply consolidating control of those efforts. It will then be better able to manipulate relief funds as leverage over governments in the developing world, in the same manner that it already uses the IMF, World Bank and World Food Programme LINKS? http://www.hullocentral.demon.co.uk/site/anfin.htm
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Re: the news from bush's speech...H-power
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 11:32:08AM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: > > > The big pollution issues with ethanol are in growing the corn, sugar, etc. > > that's used to brew the stuff, fermenting it, and distilling it. There's no *real* pollution (toxic emissions, that is) from fermenting and distilling it. And yes, I've smelled brewerys, in fact done a fair amount of brewing and distilling myself. Major difference between the emissions of ethanol plants and petrorefineries. > > Ethanol from biomass is complete nonsense. For corn, certainly, only the current subsidies make it viable. But it works for Brazil using sugar cane, they run a major portion of their vehicles on it. > So is biodiesel, given what > fuel yield/m^2 is (can make sense for you personally if you have a lot of > land, doesn't scale for the culture as a whole). 635 gal @ acre for a permaculture crop like oil palm works pretty well. It might not be the whole answer, but it's certainly part of the solution. But even here in the northern midwest US, I can grow enough canola on two acres to fuel my car, and I've got 40 acres to play with at present. Works for me. > You can make synfuel from > biomass, though, there have been a few new processes (catalyzed, low temp) > and reactor designs lately. There's a lot of cellulose and lignin out > there. > > Ethanol sucks, but synmethanol has interesting synergisms. It is currently > made from synthesis gas (which is mostly made from reformed natural gas, > but can also be made from fossil (oil, coal, shale) or biomass, with > hydrogen input) on a very large scale. Fossil fuel lobby goes in bed with > the synmethanol lobby. Methanol has about half the energy density of gas, > but it can be burned in ICUs (producing a cleaner exhaust), processed in > onboard reformers and direct methanol fuel cells. Current fuel cells use > platinum catalysts, but it is not fundamental to the principle. > > Methanol easily reforms to hydrogen and carbon dioxide, so it's your foot > in the door of hydrogen economy. I'd say it's the best storage form of > hydrogen for small mobile applications (planes and ships and large trucks > excluding). Yes, synfuels are definitely part of the solution. > > > Even if it's grown "organically" (or at least without pesticides, > > which is easier to do with corn that doesn't have to look good for market), Once again -- corn is a pathetic feedstock for ethanol. > > it's still a big issue with habitat destruction, ??? The farms are already there, native flora long gone. In many cases, at least here in the midwest, much of this farmland is actually wetlands that have been drained. Crush the drain tiles, fill the ditches, plant cattails. The whole environment benefits and you have an excellent permaculture ethanol crop. And excellent livestock feed left over after the distillation. It's a real win-win. > and by the way, > > have you ever smelled a brewery? :-) Yeah, Milwaukee is full of them. Doesn't smell nearly as bad as the paper mills. Pretty much the same as a bakery. And I don't have to worry about it being toxic. > > Ecoaudit of bioethanol is a desaster, period. > Not if the feedstock is grown organically. And the idea that organic farmers can't produce as well as chemical/industrial agriculture is a total myth, disproven many times over. In fact, chemical farming only works with massive crop subsidies. Take away that corporate welfare (and the farmers here get absolutely obscene amounts of money from the gov't) and they are instantly bankrupt, while the organic farmers aren't. Biomass grown as a permaculture crop such as such as switchgrass works even better -- native prairies can be restored, for instance, on marginal or worn out farmland and makes a terrific feedstock. Cattails are another, in fact within 30 miles of me there are at least 10,000 acres of cattails the state would allow me to harvest, possibly even give me a grant to do it -- and that produces at 28 *dried* tons @ acre with a 35-40% starch content. That's a lot of ethanol going to waste. Right now they're spending money trying to burn it to get rid of it. There are many more examples -- a tremendous amount of feedstock gets landfilled. Sewage sludge can be gasified and synfuel made from the gas -- right now the cities *pay* farmers to spread it on their land, which, here in WI will very soon be illegal and the sludge landfilled. (snip) -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
Agent Anthrax report.
It is a common vision in the U.S. that the government is a neutral entity, standing outside and above the myriad con- tending forces in society. However, it is not disconnected from those forces. As a result, its policies are seen as a sort of vector sum of the strength those forces exert upon on the state. Coupled with a set of democratic rights such as free elections and free expression, such a political order has been called a polyarchy by the noted political scientist Robert Dahl.1 Such a society has been celebrated as plural- istic by any number of political scientists, politicians and commentators. My view is that although such pluralism exists in the U.S. and other Westernized democracies, such governments are in fact instruments of class rule. Further, the authority of these formally democratic governments is based not on universal democracy, but on democracy within the class which rules. Moreover, the government's actual rule is based on coercion: that is, the power of the military and police. Anthrax spores. (www.hybridmedicalanimation.com) It is frequently said that democratic government is a government of laws. What do the laws do? In sheer volume, the vast majority of laws are for the protection and regulation of property. Entire bodies of law are devoted to such specialties: corporate law, real estate law, tax law, bank- ruptcy law, etc. I would argue that the public policy of a government of laws is in fact the policy of the propertied class. This paper will discuss one example of this, the response of the government, its Centers for Disease Control and postal management to the anthrax attacks in the fall of 2001. While one incident can't prove how the whole system works, it offers a particularly glaring illustration of how the system's representatives disregarded the propertyless and served the propertied in a specific case. We will see that the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) covered up the serious- ness of the anthrax threat; postal management did the same; and the major unions involved, the American Postal Workers Union (APWU) and the National Postal Mail Handlers Union, did little effective to oppose them. As a partial exception, the APWU leadership at the Morgan postal facility in New York, where I work, filed a lawsuit to close the facility for testing and decontamination, but didn't fight aggressively to organize workers there to fight for their own health and safety. Before going on, let me clarify my notion of class. The prop- ertied, or capitalist class, can only be looked at in relation to another class of people who don't have property or capital (or much of it). These are general conceptions: in particular, they don't mean that an individual with little or no capital is automatically a member of the propertyless, or working, class. U.S. society has many, many people (the middle class) who have little property but still exercise power over others who also have little; for example, police officers, supervisors and some judges.2 U.S. society also has tens of thousands of people who have little power or property but work for and identify with those who do. These people are also "middle class" and are frequently found in the professions. The staff people at the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) played that role during the anthrax crisis. This paper will deal with members of a ruling class, or the authorities, as those who have property and/or power; and members of a working class as those who don't have either. The anthrax attacks by mail came in two waves. The first apparently was a series of letters to the media: NBC, CBS, ABC, the New York Post, and the American Media company of Boca Raton, Fla., which publishes the National Enquirer, among other papers. These letters were all mailed on 18 September from the Trenton, N.J., area. The second wave, also sent from Trenton, was mailed 9 October to Sens. Tom Daschle of South Dakota and Patrick Leahy of New Hampshire. To this date it is unknown who sent the let- ters.3 These mailings resulted in the deaths of one recipi- ent, Robert Stevens of American Media, as well as two postal workers, Thomas Morris, Jr. and Joseph Curseen, Jr. In addition, two persons with no known connection to the mailings, Kathy Nguyen of the Bronx and Ottilie Lundgren of Connecticut, died, perhaps from receiving accidentally contaminated mail. The response by the authorities to the first wave of attacks was characterized by ignorance and misdiagnosis at best and willful misinformation at worst. The former is not surprising since there have been only 236 cases of all types of anthrax in the U.S. between 1955 and 1999, and less Ottilie Lundgren, killed by anthrax. (REUTERS) than a score of the inhalation form in the last century.4 Not until Robert Stevens died of inhalation anthrax on 5 October 2001 in Florida did doctors elsewhere begin cor- rectly recognizing symptoms of others who already were sick. But Stevens' widely reported death also moved the high-l
Re: Who owns stuff that falls onto someone's property?
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 08:32:01AM -0500, Ken Hirsch wrote: > > I don't think there are any difficult legal issues involved. If you drop your > wallet on someone's property, it is still your wallet. If you crash your car onto > somebody's front yard, it's still your car (for better or worse). Well, that's not quite true -- if you park you car in someones yard, they can certainly impound it and charge you damn near anything they want to get it back. Cities do this all the time, so do private parking lot owners. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
INTERNATIONAL ANARCHIST MEETING EASTERN EUROPE
INTERNATIONAL ANARCHIST MEETING EASTERN EUROPE Friday 27.06- Monday 30.06, 2003 Just 1576 km. north of Thessaloniki! The purpose of the meeting is to strengthen ties between anarchists and anti-authoritarians in Eastern Europe and even beyond! We want to exchange information and experiences, make contacts, better develop existing projects and investigate areas of cooperation and resistance for the future! In addition to networking meetings and discussions, we will include some activities open to general participation; these will include (but are not limited to) exhibits, a demonstration against the visa regime, video showings, a lecture on anarchist history in Poland and whatever else people are inclined to organize! At some point, special attention will be paid to the fact that our comrades to the east of Poland will now have to face a more restrictive regime and we would like to dedicate some time to evolving practical strategies to overcoming these new barriers. The dates of the meeting have been called to coincide with the start of the new visa regime in Poland. This meeting is meant to be an act of resistance; international solidarity is the best way to fight the borders that the state is trying to make between us! As we favour a decentralized process of organization, we highly encourage people to join in and put on a workshop, propose their topics or items for the agenda, bring something to present and to think about social events, contact with the public. Anybody can organize what they want and are interested in - we only ask for notice so we can spread information and organize some logistic matters such as space. So if you're interested in taking a more active part in the process, let us know! MORE ON... http://www.ainfos.ca/ainfos15878.html
US embassy stormed.
Soon...real soon...WELLINGTON -- Anti-war protesters tried to storm the U.S. Embassy in New Zealand's capital during a rally Sunday against a possible American-led war in Iraq, police and demonstrators said. Protesters carrying ladders and mock metal detectors tried to climb over a 2-meter (6-foot) iron gate in front of the embassy compound in Wellington, saying they wanted to check the premises for "weapons of mass destruction owned and operated by the United States." But police who were guarding the embassy hauled them down and arrested 23 demonstrators. "Those protesters who broke the law ... were charged with ... disorder, assault and resisting police," said police Inspector Marty Grenfell. Demonstrators and police briefly scuffled when the protesters tried to scale the gate, but the 250-strong rally was largely peaceful. Protest organizer John Sarvis said he was disappointed by the firm reaction of police. "There might be rogue nations in the world, but there is only one rogue superpower," Sarvis said in a statement. "The United States has the largest arsenal of weapons of mass destruction," he added. www.utopia2000.org
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Queen Camilla.
The Queen's physical and psychological wellbeing are at the centre of mounting speculation in the British media. One report this week claimed she was in the grip of deep depression following a string of recent "hammer blows", including the deaths of the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret. Others have pointed to the 76-year-old monarch's increasingly frail appearance since she left hospital following surgery on her right knee almost three weeks ago. The Daily Mail claimed the Queen's first public outing since the operation evoked clear memories of her late mother, who died last year aged 101. She was pictured leaning heavily on a walking stick and was "clearly in some discomfort", the newspaper reported. @media print {.nopr {display:none}} advertisement advertisement The People newspaper, meanwhile, claimed senior courtiers were desperately concerned for her. "The Queen is a shadow of her former self. She is in turmoil," an aide was quoted as saying. "The events of the last year have finally hit home and she is not coping well. She is withdrawn, weak and almost defeatist." Preparations for the possible coronation of Prince Charles are said to have gathered pace. The Independent on Sunday claimed plans had already been drawn up for Charles to be crowned in a "dress down" ceremony in line with the acclaimed "people's funeral" of his former wife, Princess Diana. http://www.throneout.com/ Many documents relating to the abdication of Edward VIII are known to have been withheld or destroyed. A few have recently been released now that the Queen Mother has died. They give a fascinating insight into how our "free" and "independent" media have routinely covered up royal scandals. ETC...
Tiles dropping on corralitos?
If one fell on Mong he probably wouldn't know... An Australian astronomer in California could be a key eyewitness to solving the mystery of today's space shuttle disaster. Anthony Beasley, an Australian working at an observatory north of Los Angeles, said he saw what could be tiles falling off the Columbia as it flew over California and on its way to the scheduled landing in Florida. Most video footage and eyewitness reports of the shuttle breaking up came from witnesses in the central US state of Texas. If Beasley is correct, it indicates the shuttle began to disintegrate on the west coast above California. Beasley telephoned US television network ABC to tell of his sighting. "After the first few flashes I thought to myself that I knew the shuttle lost tiles as it re-entered and quite possibly that was what was going on," Beasley, speaking live, told ABC news anchor Peter Jennings. The Australian told how he saw "a couple of flashes" and "things clearly trailing" the shuttle. "I think that after the particularly bright event I started to wonder whether or not things were happening how they should," Beasley said. Two US space experts who were listening to Beasley's description said the information was highly valuable. They said tiles falling off the shuttle would be too small to be picked up by NASA radar. "This says that something was coming off the shuttle far earlier than what happened over Texas would suggest," former space shuttle astronaut, Norm Thagard, told ABC. "It leads in the direction that tile loss or some type of structural loss like that was likely to be a cause. But it still doesn't rule out other possibilities." Former NASA engineer, Jim Oberg, described Beasley's eyewitness report as "an extraordinary account". "If the left wing is losing tiles you then not only have over-heating in that wing but you have extra drag and it's like flying along and having your wing run into something," Oberg said. "It could violently turn, twist the nose of the ship to the left and that would be it. That would be the point where it would be torn apart." http://smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/02/1044122251986.html
Shuttle like Mongo...too old.
Thanks to Mong for pointing out the pre-eminence of the prisoners dilemma ,I was a little worried about a repeat of the appalling Spartacus incident. For me the commonality is the ideas of self-management, self-activity, self-directed struggle, horizontal and decentralised networks, diversity versus a correct line, direct action and direct democracy and an extra-parliamentary, anti-state and anti-capitalist approach to politics. The labels are not as important, the common ground is. They say that only a fool is certain, and that's for sure.
Rasputin - Russia is suffering from "obsessive spy mania"
So when are they going to release all the Hanssen files? Glimmer of Hope in 'Spy Mania' By Oksana Yablokova Staff Writer A former diplomat convicted of spying, a physicist accused of espionage and a group of human rights advocates Thursday praised recent remarks by President Vladimir Putin against "obsessive spy mania" but said actions would speak louder than words."We were glad to hear it and hope that it will be heard by those who prepare idiotic cases," Moscow Helsinki Group head Lyudmila Alexeyeva said, referring to the Federal Security Service, which has opened about a dozen espionage cases against scientists and environmentalists in recent years.Putin, presiding over a meeting of the advisory State Council last week, criticized what he called "obsessive spy mania" in the country and "excessive bureaucratization" in protecting national security.However, former diplomat Valentin Moiseyev, who spent four years in jail on charges of spying for South Korea, cautioned on Thursday that Putin's remarks might just be the start of his campaign for the 2004 election."We should not forget that elections are approaching, and the president will be seeking the votes of well-educated liberals," Moiseyev said at a news conference attended by Valentin Danilov, a Krasnoyarsk scientist accused of sharing sensitive information with China.A former deputy chief for the Foreign Ministry's Asia desk, Moiseyev was convicted in August 2001 and sentenced to 4 1/2 years in prison. He was released a month ago and is seeking an acquittal.Alexeyeva warned that arms analyst Igor Sutyagin, a scholar at Moscow's USA and Canada Institute who is being held in Lefortovo on charges of passing secrets to U.S. intelligence, might still receive a long prison sentence."For the FSB, it's not important whether a crime was committed," said Sutyagin's lawyer, Anna Stavitskaya. "If they have a person, they'll find a charge."She said Sutyagin is reading the 30 volumes of his criminal case and a date for his trial has yet to be set.Alexeyeva said the government would take some time to get over its suspicion of scientific exchanges of information. "Every closed society suffers from spy mania," she said. "Russia has only been an open society for the last 10 years -- for the first time in all its history." http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/01/31/013.html
Trashing the FBI.
Describing them is trashing them isn't it? Trashing the FBI For the second time in recent weeks, The Washington Post has published a front-page story questioning the FBI's stepped-up efforts to prevent terrorist groups from infiltrating U.S. college campuses. On Christmas Day, The Post ran a story based largely on complaints by Sens. Edward Kennedy and Patrick Leahy that the FBI might be breaking the law by requesting that colleges and universities provide information on foreign students in this country to determine whether any are terrorist operatives. To buttress the senators' arguments, The Post cited a 1974 federal privacy law that said schools must obtain a student's consent before releasing personal information. It failed to mention that 22 years later President Clinton had signed into law legislation stipulating that the 1974 law does "not apply to aliens." Last Saturday, The Post did it again. An A1 story by Dan Eggen about the FBI's cooperation with campus police highlighted objections from some student and faculty groups and "Muslim activists," who complained that "even the hint of surveillance by government taints that environment." The story, with headlines and subheads like "Student, Faculty Groups Fear a Return of Spying Abuses Against Activists, Foreign Nationals," went on to quote one University of Massachusetts professor demanding that universities "oppose these activities because they interfere with the free exchange of information and ideas." Although The Post did quote law-enforcement officials defending cooperation with the FBI, it glossed over known cases in which terrorist organizations and their supporters have used American schools as a cover for their operations. For example, Hani Hanjour, the Saudi national who hijacked the plane that crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, came to this country on a student visa. Zacarias Moussaoui, an admitted al Qaeda member and suspected would-be September 11th hijacker, roamed the United States on a student visa. In fact, this was a problem even before September 11. Eyad Ismoil, a Kuwaiti-born citizen of Jordan, entered Wichita State University through the student-visa program. He dropped out after a few semesters. In February 1993, Ismoil drove a truck bomb into a garage below the World Trade Center, killing six persons and wounding nearly 1,000. In his book "American Jihad: The Terrorists Living among Us," Steven Emerson documents how Sami al-Arian, a tenured professor at the University of South Florida , founded two organizations that became fronts for terrorists to enter the United States and raise money for Islamic Jihad. Mr. al-Arian served as the U.S. visa sponsor for Ramadan Abdullah Shallah, and persuaded the University of South Florida to appoint him a professor of Middle East studies. Mr. Shallah disappeared in late 1995, resurfacing six months later in Damascus as the new head of one of the most deadly Palestinian terrorist groups: Islamic Jihad, which has killed scores of Americans in suicide bombings and other attacks in Israel. We understand very well why any school would have legitimate concerns about any government investigation of its students or faculty. But those concerns are outweighed by the reality that America is at war and needs to be able to protect its citizens from terrorists. It makes no sense to stigmatize campus police for helping the FBI ensure that terrorists don't exploit the freedoms afforded by America's institutions of higher learning to kill more of our fellow citizens. http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20030131-338683.htm Putting the FBI in charge should help things along :)
The USA likes kidnapping.
Wednesday, January 29, 2003; Page C03 Administering a dose of grim reality in its ongoing "media boot camp," Pentagon instructors in Fort Dix, N.J., staged a mock kidnapping of a German television correspondent last week. "I was very scared," Washington-based reporter Gundula Koch yesterday told The Post's Richard Leiby, another of the 60 journalists on hand for the week of rigorous training to prepare for a war in Iraq. "I was shocked because I did not expect it." The caper was part of a course titled "Terrorist Ops/Individual Protective Measures." Around 7 p.m. Tuesday, a trio of masked Air Force instructors found the 44-year-old Koch smoking a Marlboro Light outside her barracks. She was alone -- in violation of earlier admonitions to always travel in pairs. "They grabbed me and put goggles on my eyes, taped over so I couldn't see anything, and asked me to go with them," she recounted. "They put me in the back seat of a car, and we drove for about two minutes, and then they led me into a building." After leading Koch up a flight of stairs, they positioned her in front of a wall and trained a video camera on her, ordering her to read a communique from the "PWDFD Terrorist Organization." PWDFD, natch, stands for "People Who Don't Follow Directions." On the tape, Koch acknowledged her mistake and recited: "Keep a low profile, be unpredictable, and stay mentally alert." The ordeal lasted about 15 minutes, and afterward Koch managed to follow instructions and keep the incident secret so the video would have maximum impact when the trainers showed it to the group two days later. "We could have snatched several of you," Air Force Staff Sgt. Jason Parker told his charges. "There were several opportunities." Parker praised Koch for her cool performance -- she tried to draw sympathy from her captors by making a human connection, as military experts had advised. "My parents wouldn't like it if you hurt me," she said on the tape. "I'm the only child." Koch plans to do a story about her experience for viewers of Germany's ZDF network. "After they released me I went straight back to that spot and had a cigarette of relief," she said. But she learned her lesson. This time, she was in the company of fellow trainees. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58218-2003Jan29.html David Hicks was kidnapped over a year ago by the rogue terror state USA.
Long live the free market.
Within hours of the Columbia tragedy on Saturday, hundreds of collectibles featuring the doomed space shuttle were placed for sale on eBay as prices soared. Columbia ripped apart on re-entry to the earth's atmosphere early Saturday, killing the seven crew members and scattering debris across a large swath of the southern United States. Almost immediately, the number and price of Columbia collectibles on the Web's leading auction site began to surge. A search for "Columbia shuttle" returned 1,011 items on eBay late Saturday, with more than 900 being listed after the disaster stunned the nation earlier in the day. One item was described as "Columbia space shuttle debris" with a starting price of $10,000. However, clicking on the link returned a page with the message "invalid item," an indication it had been pulled by eBay or the seller. Meanwhile, prices on items listed for sale prior to the crash were soaring. A belt buckle described as "very decorative" had jumped from an opening price of $9.99 to $315 by late Saturday. Although the buckle was listed on Jan. 26, all 16 bids were made Saturday, with the first being placed at 7:08 a.m. PST, about an hour after NASA lost contact with Columbia. By comparison, an auction for a similar buckle ended on Jan. 24 without drawing any bids. Additionally, a one-ounce silver coin commemorating Columbia had been bid up to $202.50 on Saturday. An apparently identical coin, listed by the same seller, attracted no offers before its auction closed on Jan. 18. It had an opening price of $9.75. Other Columbia-related items fetching high prices Saturday on eBay included a sheet of stickers, $168; a $5 commemorative coin, $1,951; a beer stein, $185; a Christmas tree ornament, $41; a t-shirt, $46.51; and a patch, $30. With one exception, all bids on these items were made Saturday. How long Columbia prices remain lofty is an open question, however. Several patches featuring the Challenger space shuttle that exploded on takeoff in 1986, were fetching less than $10 on Saturday. http://news.com.com/2100-1017-983033.html?tag=fd_top
E-mail the fascist pig mayor of Tacoma.He needs killing.
TACOMA LEONARD PELTIER SUPPORT NETWORK P.O. BOX 5464 TACOMA, WA 98415-0464 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CITY OF TACOMA REFUSES TO ISSUE A PERMIT FOR LEONARD PELTIER MARCH For the past ten years the Tacoma Leonard Peltier Support Group has held a march and rally for justice for Leonard Peltier. The Tacoma LPSG is a part of a regional support network (NWLPSN), which has organized or helped organize 60 rallies and marches through out our region with few problems from city governments. We try hard to keep the focus on Leonard Peltier and Native issues and we have not sought to give anyone any problems. This year our annual Tacoma march and rally is a bit different than those in the past because supporters from a number of different NW cities have joined in the organizing for the event, thus the event has become a regional event. In past years we have marched on the sidewalk, but because the turnout will be larger this year, we applied for a permit that would let us march in the street. The City of Tacoma has refused to issue us a permit. We if cannot change that we will march on the sidewalk, (we will not allow anyone to change our focus from Leonard Peltier and Native issues), but we wish to address the reasons why the City of Tacoma refuses to issue us a permit because the reasons are relevant to all social activists. At this time there are three official reasons given to us by the City of Tacoma: 1. Lack of payment for the police at our march. The City says that we must pay for all the police that come out for our march. We are not asking for them to come out at all, and we could never raise all the money they want. This we know to be unconstitutional base upon federal court rulings. 2. The lack of an insurance bond. Again we do not have the money for this and again this is unconstitutional. I was involved in one case on this before (Steve Robideau, Terry Bear Ribs and Arthur Miller vs. The City of Leavenworth) and we won the case. The ruling was that it is unconstitutional to deny the right of freedom of assembly based upon lack of financial resources. They did not even tell me about needing the bond until they called me up to say they would not issue a permit. 3. The lack of notifying in writing each person who is to take part in the march of some type of laws which they would not tell me what laws I had to notify people of. I asked how it was possible to notify in writing beforehand everyone who comes to the march. Again I was not told of this until I got the call today. What these requirements that the City of Tacoma is demanding is a clear statement that only rich people can have permits to march in the City of Tacoma! Because our marches have included Elders, Children and others who may not wish to confront the City Of Tacoma, if our lawyers cannot get us our permit, we will march on the sidewalk, which does not need a permit. The refusal of giving us a permit has not been the only form of official harassment of us. A Detective of the Intelligence Division of the Tacoma Police Department (Jeff Ship) contacted me. He said he was calling me about the traffic situation with the march. But the questions he asked me had nothing to do with traffic. He asked; what will the speakers speak about? (I just told him Native issues), He asked about members of our group (I told him nothing on that), He asked about if there were going to be anti-war people at the march, he asked about our car pools, and other things (which I gave him a lot of 'I don't know's'). He knew a lot about our past events and even knew to call me, which shows that the Tacoma Police Department has intelligence files on our group, even though we have never broken any laws unless speaking out about Leonard Peltier and other Natives issues is against the law. As Leonard Peltier has shown us, struggling for justice for the people is not easy, that is why we call it a struggle. Though the struggle for the freedom of speech and assembly does not call for the type of sacrifices Leonard has had to make, still it does take effort on our part. The Tacoma LPSG will not back down in the face of intimidation; we will carry on our purpose, even if we must do it alone. But we believe that we will not be alone. We respectfully ask all who believe in social justice to join us for our march on Feb. 8th in Tacoma (see below for more information) for the greatest protection we can have from further harassment will come from the greatest number of people possible that join us in the march. Please network with your friends, groups and organizations (and pass this e-mail statement to others and to lists) to bring people out for the march and let the City of Tacoma know that there are many people who they cannot intimidated. Though we may have to march on the sidewalk, later we may see then need to call for a civil liberties march. We also have the need of people video taping the march and rally and fo
Need ANOTHER seven astronauts.
February 1, 2003 Shuttle Crash & Smug NASA Managers "I F-ing Warned Them!" by DIAN HARDISON Two years ago, I was a highly decorated NASA engineer. I was awarded their highest medal, for Exceptional Achievement -- something that is usually reserved for senior managers -- because of my expertise. I was a safety engineer. I was removed from my GS-13 position, as an internationally-recognized authority on hypergolic propellants and explosives, and forced off the Kennedy Space Center. At gunpoint. Their excuse was that I had "abused government equipment." Because I sent a friend an e-mail joke. The reality was that I wouldn't play their "political ball." I F-ING WARNED THEM. I told them that the technicians and engineers were overworked. I told them that there were too many managers and too many meetings and "dog-and-pony" shows. I told them that their senior "face time" play games, while they spent all their time plotting how to give each other pay raises, and left the guys on the floor to struggle day to day with obsolete and overpriced and unqualified equipment, was going to result in another Challenger. Read more < Jung and the Space Shuttle | Yanic writes on Saturday February 01 2003 @ 10:08PM PST: [ reply | parent ] In the following snippet from an Arab News article, Bruce Gagnon (respected Central Florida activist) makes the case that there may have been a nuclear payload on board. *** http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=22464 "Once again we see that space technology can fail," Bruce Gagnon, international coordinator for the Global Network against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space, told Arab News last night. "I'm troubled because the Bush Administration has recently announced a program called the 'Nuclear Systems Initiative', a $1 billion research and development program to expand the launching of nuclear power into space. The problem is that as you increase the numbers of launches carrying nuclear payloads into space, but you are also going to dramatically increase the chances of a catastrophic Chernobyl in the sky." Asked why NASA was advising extreme precaution at the crash sites, Gagnon said: "We haven't heard that there was a nuclear payload on this shuttle, but one of the great hallmarks of the Bush administration is increased secrecy. I must admit that when NASA said no one should go near a site because of the toxic potential of the fuels and 'other reasons,' I couldn't help but wonder what those reasons are." Due to cuts in NASA's budget in recent years, NASA has been forced to turn to the Pentagon for increased funding, said Gagnon. The result is that the space shuttles are now also NASA missions and carry both military and civilian technologies. "What you have now is the military takeover of the space program. NASA is not just about gazing at the stars, it now also has a political and military agenda." What is of concern, he said, is that the Pentagon in now working on a program called the "Space Based Laser." "Its nickname is the 'Death Star,' and its job is to destroy other country's satellites, and also hit targets on the Earth below. NASA hopes to have the first operational tests by 2016 or 2017," Gagnon explained. "This would give the US full control and domination of space and the earth below, because whoever controls space will control the Earth." (Additional reporting by David Randall of The Independent in New York) http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=03/02/01/5848434
Visualize Economic Collapse.
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=03/02/01/3212606 Longish piece on the crumbling economy and how you can help. 1. Economy on the Edge 2. Unemployment on the Rise 3. US Pension Agency is Sinking 4. Record Deficits 5. Economic Gloom at Davos 6. Oil Crisis? 7. How the Mighty Have Fallen 8. Office Space 9. Brazil: Rio Defaults, Banks Retreat 10. Euro Pessimism 11. Japan: Bad to Worse?
Fight the police in Seattle.
Fight the Consolidation of Police Terrorism in the US: A call to Action in Seattle, June 2 to 6th, 2003 We, the committee to form a Northwest Federation of Anarchist Communists, call for a convergence in Seattle, Washington, home of the WTO protests, to strike at the heart of the forces whose goals are to undermine all human rights, criminalize dissent, jail, harass and torture activists, and even commit legal murder of people of color and dissidents alike, in the name of "Homeland Security", "Fighting Terrorism" and "Criminal Intelligence". We call for all that have been victimized, or feel that they will become victimized, by this unprecedented consolidation of police power to join in solidarity and return to Seattle. The Law Enforcement Intelligence Unit (LEIU) is holding its annual conference in Seattle, on June 2,3,4,5 and 6th. (see http://www.leiu2003seattle.org/) The organizers of this conference have invited Attorney General John Ashcroft, Director of Homeland Security, Tom Ridge (who conspired to imprison and murder journalist Mumia Abu-Jamal), Portland Joint Terrorism Task Force member John Cooney; FBI Assistant Director John Pistole, New York City Police Deputy Commissioner of Intelligence, and Former CIA agent David Cohen will attend. The purpose of this conference is for law enforcement, from local police to the FBI to the CIA and military, to further consolidate their power and organization, and to improve "the current state of intelligence sharing/processing among local and federal law enforcement agencies; and [to discuss] specifics as to what local law enforcement can do to better support the war on terrorism". We all know that the war on terrorism is a pretext for the war of the State against the population: people of color, immigrants, and political activists inside as well as outside the United States. The topic of their conference include such things as "Criminal Protest Groups" and "left wing" terrorism. We all know that people committing such acts as stepping off of the curb at a demonstration, organizing against the war, organizing against the rape of our planet, occupying buildings and workplaces, and destroying capitalism are considered terrorists by our government. When the government loses its legitimacy with the people the response has been to build a system to monitor, criminalize, imprison, and murder its subjects, and to remove the line between the military and the domestic police. We have seen the massive consolidation of police power after the rise of the anti-globalization and anti-capitalist movements, the resurgence in anarchist organization, and the call of the government to seize Iraqi oil under the pretext of avenging the horrible tragedy of 9-11. We have seen the steady rise of the abuse of the police, from the tear gassing and beatings at WTO, to the murder of an activist in Genoa. The history is merely being repeated, since the organization of slave patrols in New York in 1830's and the centuries of genocide against native people; J. Edgar Hoover's repression of Wobblies, anarchists and socialists during World War 1; the Palmer raids of the 20's; persecution of communists in the 1930's and 1950's; the murder of Sacco and Vanzetti; The destruction of the Black Panther Party and the murder of its leaders in the 1960's; the repression of the American Indian Movement and frame up of Leonard Peltier; the disruption of the anti-apartied movement of the 1980's; and now, the criminalization of Muslims, immigrants, people of color, native peoples, and activists in the 1990's and to date. Our resistance to the police state in the US is the uniting of all people of all color, of all struggles for self determination, of all defenses against the rape of Mother Earth, and the struggle against the employing class. We call upon all to converge upon Seattle, using whatever tactics they feel are necessary and prudent to carry out the goals of their respective organizations and constituencies; we call all upon all to organize in affinity groups and coalitions as necessary to resist the legalized planning for the criminalization of dissent; and we leave up to individuals and groups to choose whatever tactics they deem appropriate to their cause, and that such tactics be carried out independent of one another when necessary. We call upon the defense of non-violent activists against the likely abuse by the police who will likely rise to the occasion; and we call for this to be the first action of many to dismantle the institution of Police Terrorism, disguised as Homeland Security and its regional manifestations of FBI/law enforcement partnerships. We must expose this legal crime network to the people of this country, and destroy any and all legitimacy they made have. Corporate America is funding this conference. Starbucks, 7-11 stores, and Microsoft are listed as sponsors. Microsoft develops the computer infrastructure fo
Shrub the impotent imbecile.
NASA Chiefs 'Repeatedly Ignored' Safety Warnings by Peter Beaumont Fears of a catastrophic shuttle accident were raised last summer with the White House by a former NASA engineer who pleaded for a presidential order to halt all further shuttle flights until safety issues had been addressed. In a letter to the White House, Don Nelson, who served with NASA for 36 years until he retired in 1999, wrote to President George W. Bush warning that his 'intervention' was necessary to 'prevent another catastrophic space shuttle accident'. During his last 11 years at NASA, Nelson served as a mission operations evaluator for proposed advanced space transportation projects. He was on the initial design team for the space shuttle. He participated in every shuttle upgrade until his retirement. Listing a series of mishaps with shuttle missions since 1999, Nelson warned in his letter that NASA management and the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel have failed to respond to the growing warning signs of another shuttle accident. Since 1999 the vehicle had experienced a number of potentially disastrous problems: · 1999 - Columbia's launch was delayed by a hydrogen leak and Discovery was grounded with damaged wiring, contaminated engine and dented fuel line; · January 2000 - Endeavor was delayed because of wiring and computer failures; · August 2000 - inspection of Columbia revealed 3,500 defects in wiring; · October 2000 - the 100th flight of the shuttle was delayed because of a misplaced safety pin and concerns with the external tank; · April 2002 - a hydrogen leak forced the cancellation of the Atlantis flight; · July 2002 - the inspector general reported that the shuttle safety program was not properly managed; · August 2002 - the shuttle launch system was grounded after fuel line cracks were discovered. White House officials rejected Nelson's plea for a moratorium. He tried to talk again to NASA's administration about his worries in October but was again rebuffed. Yesterday Nelson told The Observer that he feared the Columbia disaster was the culmination of 'disastrous mismanagement' by NASA's most senior officials and would inevitably lead to the moratorium he was calling for. 'I became concerned about safety issues in NASA after Challenger. I think what happened is that very slowly over the years NASA's culture of safety became eroded. 'But when I tried to raise my concerns with NASA's new administrator, I received two reprimands for not going through the proper channels, which discouraged other people from coming forward with their concerns. When it came to an argument between a middle-ranking engineer and the astronauts and administration, guess who won. 'One of my biggest complaints has been that we should have been looking for ways to develop crew escape modules, which NASA has constantly rejected.' His claims emerged against a background of growing concern over the management of safety issues by NASA. They followed similar warnings last April by the former chairman of the Aerospace Safety Advisory panel, Richard Bloomberg, who said: 'In all of the years of my involvement, I have never been as concerned for space shuttle safety as now.' Bloomberg blamed the deferral or elimination of planned safety upgrades, a diminished workforce as a result of hiring freezes, and an ageing infrastructure for the advisory panel's findings. His warning echoed earlier concern about key shuttle safety issues. In September 2001 at a Senate hearing into shuttle safety, senators and independent experts warned that budget and management problems were putting astronauts lives at risk. At the center of concern were claims that a budget overspend of almost $5 billion (£3bn) had led to a culture in NASA whereby senior managers treated shuttle safety upgrades as optional. Among those who spoke out were Democratic Senator Bill Nelson of Florida, who warned: 'I fear that if we don't provide the space shuttle program with the resources it needs for safety upgrades, our country is going to pay a price we can't bear. 'We're starving NASA's shuttle budget and thus greatly increasing the chance of a catastrophic loss.' Although NASA officials said that improvements were being made they admitted that more needed to be done. A year earlier, a General Accounting Office report had warned that the loss of experienced engineers and technicians in the space shuttle program was threatening the safety of future missions just as NASA was preparing to increase its annual number of launches to build the International Space Station. The GAO cited internal NASA documents showing 'workforce reductions are jeopardizing NASA's ability to safely support the shuttle's planned flight rate'. Space agency officials discovered in late 1999 that many employees didn't have the necessary skills to properly manage avionics, mechanical engineering and computer systems, according to the GAO report. The GAO
Re: Who owns stuff that falls onto someone's property?
From: "Steve Schear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Expect the first EBay auctions of debris from the "Columbia" to be a > > > constitutional issue soon. (Actually, the censors at fascist EBay have > > > probably already flagged any transactions which mention "space shuttle" > > > and "Columbia" to be illegal thoughtcrime sales.) > > > >Yep, ebay has already removed such auctions, e.g., item #2156954390, > >`SPACE SHUTTLE COLUMBIA PIECE OF WRECKAGE PART'. > > Perhaps this is an opportunity for competitive, even offshore, auction > sites to take the fore. I don't think there are any difficult legal issues involved. If you drop your wallet on someone's property, it is still your wallet. If you crash your car onto somebody's front yard, it's still your car (for better or worse). If a plane crashes carrying U.S. mail, the Post Office gathers up whatever mail it can find and tries to deliver it. Would you have it any other way? Even if ownership was in question, does anybody really think it's a good idea to sell the pieces of evidence while the accident investigation is going on?
RE: Passenger rail is for adventurers and bums
Bill Stewart > Tim commented about railroad stations being in the ugly parts of town. > That's driven by several things - decay of the inner cities, > as cars and commuter trains have let businesses move out to suburbs, > and also the difference between railroad stations that were > built for passengers (New York's Grand Central, Washington's > Union Station) In the UK at least railway stations tend to have been built in the ugly parts of towns for good reason -- simply because land is a lot cheaper in the low rent parts of town. Also railways stations and the associated cheap hotels with a large transient population tend to attract undesirables such as drug dealers, muggers and hookers and the sort of thing which pushs the value of your house down and nice middle class people don't want on their doorstep. The people in richer areas tend to have more political clout and more effectively oppose development of this sort. -- Steve
Boeing second largest weapons manufacturers.
Boeing 2cnd largest weapons manufacturers. (english) profrv@etc 4:25am Sun Feb 2 '03 article#233402 Boeing is the second largest weapons producer in the United States. ... The United States Govt had plans once to murder a famous and popular astronaut to set off a 'just' war... I am not into conspiracism,just collating certain information. Boeing considers feasibility of plasma-based weapons NICK COOK JDW Aerospace Consultant London The Phantom Works, Boeing's prototyping organisation, has raised the possibility of plasma-based directed-energy weapons equipping a future breed of hypersonic aircraft platforms, such as those favoured for research and development by the Bush administration. George Muellner, vice president and general manager of the Phantom Works, said that it should prove feasible to "skim off" some of the plasma that forms naturally around a M8.0 aerospace vehicle for use by an onboard directed-energy weapon. Plasmas are ionised gases found naturally in lightning discharges and are commonly used in neon light tubes. They also build around the nose and leading edges of hypersonic vehicles and space re-entry systems as the air in front of them is shocked to high temperature. Muellner's remarks are evidence of growing US interest in plasmas for a variety of aerospace applications. Russian designers have touted the benefits of plasmas for years, but officially their claims have been greeted with scepticism by the US aerospace establishment. Russian companies and research institutions that have applied plasmas to aircraft have reported sizeable reductions in aircraft drag and the delayed onset of shock waves. "We've been doing work with the Russians and we've been doing plasma work on our own and we have seen considerable improvements in drag and sonic boom attenuation," Muellner said. He downplayed US enthusiasm for other plasma benefit claimed by the Russians - a means of drastically reducing an aircraft's radar signature. "There's no way to effectively engineer it," he said, adding that the power and weight penalties imposed by plasma-generators would most likely outweigh the stealth benefits. Despite this, Russian engineers claim to have developed 'bolt-on' plasma-generators that dramatically cut an aircraft's radar cross-section while preserving its aerodynamic qualities; something, they say, that cannot be said of first-generation US stealth aircraft like the angular F-117A. Muellner said that the use of naturally forming plasmas on a high-Mach aerospace vehicle could, in the long term, be applied "as a huge energy resource" to a directed-energy weapon for self-defence purposes. Observers have pointed out that such weapons could also be used offensively. There are two possible engineering approaches. One is to divert the plasma into a chamber, excite it, introduce a laser-critical gas such as argon and direct the resultant energy through high-power optics as a laser beam. The other is to wrap small compact rings or 'toroids' of plasma energy in intense magnetic fields and fire them from a weapon as 'bullets' at air or ground targets. In the early 1990s, the US Air Force was preparing tests at Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico, designed to lead to a ground-based plasma-weapon in the late 1990s capable of firing plasma bullets at incoming ballistic missile warheads. The enabling technology was a 'fast capacitor bank' called Shiva Star that could store 10 million joules of energy and release it instantaneously. Officials anticipated firing bullets at 3,000km/sec in 1995 and 10,000km/sec - 3% of the speed of light - by the turn of the century. The tests absorbed little more than a few million dollars of annual funding (Jane's Defence Weekly 29 July 1998). Dumped into the 'soft' electronics of a re-entry vehicle, the bullets were envisaged as destroying multiple manoeuvring warheads at rapid reacquisition rates. By the second half of the last decade, the Shiva/plasma bullet programme was officially dropped. Observers have remarked on how its sudden disappearance at the time the firing tests were scheduled was redolent of a transition to the classified environment. http://www.janes.com/defence/air_forces/news/jdw/jdw010328_1_n.shtml When we are all kept in the dark and fed on bullshit then it's only safe to assume the worst of the powermad criminals leeching off us. A great cypherpunk once said,"You can fuck with some of the people some of the time,but the day you start to fuck with all of the people all of the time is the day you go home in a body bag or a pine box." That day just got a lot closer. http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=233402&group=webcast