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Re: An attack on paypal -- secure UI for browsers
Adam Lydick writes: I'd guess that no applications (besides the secure nexus) would have access to your list of doggie names, just the ability to display it. The list just indicates that you are seeing a window from one of your partitioned and verified applications. I would also assume the window would get decorated with the name of the trusted application (not just your secret list). Thus you only need a single secret list to handle all of your authorized applications. That makes sense. However it puts the burden onto the user to closely inspect his window frames in order to make sure that he is talking to the program (or NCA in Palladium) that he thinks he is talking to. It also introduces the problem of program-name spoofing; you might be given a dialog to enter your password for Paypa1 or E-Go1d. If users were that careful, we wouldn't have these kinds of problems in the first place.
Re: An attack on paypal -- secure UI for browsers
The solution to this is Palladium (NGSCB). You'd want each ecommerce site to download a Nexus Computing Agent into the client. This should be no more difficult than downloading an Active-X control or some other DLL. The NCA has a manifest file associated with it No shit? This is moronic. But then it reflects the impaired cognitive abilities of corpdrones in mintel. I pay for the computer, and then all these corporations start downloading shit to my computer in order to make it safe for me to use it, right ? I am lay person and need to trust these people, as I am clueless about stuff they download. But their web page says it's good. This all happens *after* I buy the computer. So, to recap, I pay several $K for the computer and then have to customize it so that it becomes safe. The computer, as malladium authenticates the computer. Why do I want $3,000 authentication token ? No, mintel making money is not the right answer. Try again. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
Re: Re: An attack on paypal -- secure UI for browsers
- Original Message - From: Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDR: Re: An attack on paypal -- secure UI for browsers In short, if Palladium comes with the ability to download site-specific DLLs that can act as NCAs Ok what flavor of crack are you smoking? Because I can tell from here that's some strong stuff. Downloading random DLLs that are given complete access to private information is one of the worst concepts that anyone has ever come up with, even if they are signed by a trusted source. Just look at the horrifically long list of issues with ActiveX, even with WindowsXP (which hasn't been around that long) you're already looking at more than half a dozen, and IIRC win95 had about 50. This has less to do with windows is bad than with secure programming is hard. Arbitrarily trusting anyone to write a secure program simply doesn't work, especially when it's something sophisticated. Now for the much more fundamental issue of your statement. Palladium will never download site-specific anything. Palladium is a hardware technology, not a web browser. I will refrain from saying Paladium is a bad idea, simply because I see some potentially very lucrative (for me) options for it's use. Joe
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Re: An attack on paypal -- secure UI for browsers
The problem to be solved is this. Spoofed sites can acquire user credentials, especially passwords, and then use those to impersonate the user on the real sites. With paypal and e-gold, this allows stealing real money. Using client certificates to authenticate would solve this, because even if the user got fooled and authenticated to the spoofed site, the attacker wouldn't learn the client cert secret key and so would not be able to masquerade as the user. The problem (among others) is that this allows a virus to steal the client cert. If it is protected by a password, the malware must hang around long enough for the user to unlock the cert (perhaps because the malware sent a spoofed email calling for the user to visit the site, even the real site!). It can then read the user's keystrokes and acquire the password. Now it has the cert and password and can impersonate the user at will. The solution to this is Palladium (NGSCB). You'd want each ecommerce site to download a Nexus Computing Agent into the client. This should be no more difficult than downloading an Active-X control or some other DLL. The NCA has a manifest file associated with it that contains the ecommerce site's signing key. This allows the NCA to be effectively locked to that key. The user's site-specific client certificate would be sealed to this NCA. That means that no other NCA could get access to the client cert for that site, nor could any legacy software. All this is protected by the Palladium hardware and software. If a password is used for further security, to unlock the client cert (in addition to the NCA-specific encryption), it can use a secure channel to the NCA so that no keystroke loggers can steal the password. (However, as mentioned in a previous mail, this may not stop rogue NCA's from fooling the user by pretending to be the ecommerce site's NCA and picking up the password. It's not clear that adding a password really increases security. Fortunately the NCA security itself is already vastly stronger than anything available on a PC today.) In short, if Palladium comes with the ability to download site-specific DLLs that can act as NCAs, it should allow for solving the spoofed-site problem once and for all. When you login to paypal or e-gold, you would authenticate yourself using a cert that only those sites could see. This can be done in the framework of standard SSL, but would require a Palladium-aware browser.
Re: An attack on paypal -- secure UI for browsers
Nomen Nescio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't see how this is going to work. The concept seems to assume that there is a distinction between trusted and untrusted programs. But in the NGSCB architecture, Nexus Computing Agents (NCAs) can be written by anyone. If you've loaded a Trojan application onto your machine, it can create an NCA, which would presumably be eligible to put up a trusted window. So either you have to configure a different list of doggie names for every NCA (one for your banking program, one for Media Player, one for each online game you play, etc.), or else each NCA gets access to your Secret Master List of Doggie Names. The first possibility is unmanageable and the second means that the trustedness of the window is meaningless. Maybe MS will implement something like the secure attention key in the old VAX A1 VMM (Ctrl-Alt-Del already serves this purpose for logins) which gives you a guaranteed non-spoofed interface to the kernel (see for example A Retrospective on the VAX VMM Security Kernel by Karger et al for more information on this). They certainly have the VMS knowhow :-). Peter.
Re: An attack on paypal -- secure UI for browsers
For example, a proposal I saw recently which would have the OS decorate the borders of trusted windows with facts or images that an attacker wouldn't be able to predict: the name of your dog, or whatever. But if the system is rooted, then the attacker merely has to find the today's secret word entry in the registry and do the same thing. Unless Windows is planning on getting real kernel-level kinds of protection. It was none other than Microsoft's NGSCB, nee Palladium. See http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-1000584.html?tag=fd_top: See previous sentence. :) /r$ -- Rich Salz Chief Security Architect DataPower Technology http://www.datapower.com XS40 XML Security Gateway http://www.datapower.com/products/xs40.html XML Security Overview http://www.datapower.com/xmldev/xmlsecurity.html
virus attack on banks (was attack on paypal)
At 06:12 PM 6/8/2003 -0600, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: at a recent cybersecurity conference, somebody made the statement that (of the current outsider, internet exploits, approximately 1/3rd are buffer overflows, 1/3rd are network traffic containing virus that infects a machine because of automatic scripting, and 1/3 are social engineering (convince somebody to divulge information). As far as I know, evesdropping on network traffic doesn't even show as a blip on the radar screen. virus attempting to harvest (shared-secret, single-factor) passwords at financial institutions http//www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/10/1055010959747.html and somewhat related: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay11.htm#53 authentication white paper -- Anne Lynn Wheelerhttp://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ Internet trivia 20th anv http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm
Re: An attack on paypal -- secure UI for browsers
Yes, NOW if you can load yourself into kernel space, you can do anything and everything - Thou Art God to quote Heinlein. This is true of every OS. Except if you add that nice little TCPA bugger which can verify the kernel image you're running is the right and approved one. Q.E.D. Look at the XBox hacks for ideas as to why it's not a trival issue, but even so, one James Bond like buffer overflow in something everyone will have marked as trusted (say IE 8.0, or a specially crafted Word 2005 macro), and the 3v1l h4x0r party is back on and you iz ownz0red once more. It's not enough to fear Microsoft, you must learn to love it. Give us 2 minutes of hate for Linux now brother! --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ --*--:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD.\|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Rich Salz wrote: But if the system is rooted, then the attacker merely has to find the today's secret word entry in the registry and do the same thing. Unless Windows is planning on getting real kernel-level kinds of protection. It was none other than Microsoft's NGSCB, nee Palladium. See http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-1000584.html?tag=fd_top: See previous sentence. :)
Re: An attack on paypal
-- On 8 Jun 2003 at 20:00, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: that is why we coined the term merchant comfort certificates some time ago. my wife and I having done early work for payment gateway with small client/server startup in menlo park ... that had this thing called SSL/HTTPS ... and then having to perform due diligence on the major issuers of certificates we recognized 1) vulnerabilities in the certificate process and 2) information hiding of transaction in flight only addressed a very small portion of the vulnerabilities and exploits. https is like a strong fortress wall that only goes half way around the fortress. The most expensive and inconvenient part of https, getting certificates from verisign, is fairly useless. The useful part of https is that it has stopped password sniffing from networks, but the PKI part, where the server, but not the client, is supposedly authenticated, does not do much good. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 9ZQw+0/xh1y28CkGulSQSVxewfy71qzXGHI8KJbN 4osBv1veq07jaMVh2zVetZVKqIRfQjiwJaKu99GqM
Re: An attack on paypal
-- On 9 Jun 2003 at 2:09, Dave Howe wrote: The problem is here, we are blaming the protective device for not being able to protect against the deliberate use of an attack that bypasses, not challenges it - by exploiting the gullibility or tendency to take the path of least resistance of the user. The real weakness in HTTPS is the tendency of certificates signed by Big Name CAs to be automagically trusted - even if you have never visited that site before. yes, you can fix this almost immediately by untrusting the root certificate - but then you have to manually verify each and every site at least once, and possibly every time if you don't mark the cert as trusted for future reference. To blame HTTPS for an attack where the user fills in a web form received via html-rendering email (no https involved at all) is more than a little unfair though. How many attacks have there been based on automatic trust of verisign's feckless ID checking? Not many, possibly none. That is not the weak point, not the point where the attacks occur. If the browser was set to accept self signed certificates by default, it would make little difference to security. A wide variety of ways of getting big name certificates that one should not have, have been discovered. Attackers never showed much interest. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG uJuAm4Xwyo4xTn0ozjBmW2ZqpI8Z3ru25WDmB7iw 43PXj2QDpBfcahqs2aOleapJYsqtA6S36+hOdVkpR
Re: An attack on paypal
At 5:12 PM -0700 6/8/03, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: somebody (else) commented (in the thread) that anybody that currently (still) writes code resulting in buffer overflow exploit maybe should be thrown in jail. A nice essay, partially on the need to include technological protections against human error, included the above paragraph. IMHO, the problem is that the C language is just too error prone to be used for most software. In Thirty Years Later: Lessons from the Multics Security Evaluation, Paul A. Karger and Roger R. Schell www.acsac.org/2002/papers/classic-multics.pdf credit the use of PL/I for the lack of buffer overruns in Multics. However, in the Unix/Linux/PC/Mac world, a successor language has not yet appeared. YMMV - Bill - Bill Frantz | Due process for all| Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | used to be the | 16345 Englewood Ave. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | American way. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
