Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, cyphrpunk wrote: system without excessive complications. Only the fifth point, the ability for outsiders to monitor the amount of cash in circulation, is not satisfied. But even then, the ecash mint software, and procedures and controls followed by the issuer, could be designed to allow third party audits similarly to how paper money cash issuers might be audited today. One approach, investigated by Hal Finney, is to run the mint on a platform that allows remote attestation. Check out rpow.net - he has a working implementation of a proof of work payment system hosted on an IBM 4758. -David Molnar
Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, cyphrpunk wrote: system without excessive complications. Only the fifth point, the ability for outsiders to monitor the amount of cash in circulation, is not satisfied. But even then, the ecash mint software, and procedures and controls followed by the issuer, could be designed to allow third party audits similarly to how paper money cash issuers might be audited today. One approach, investigated by Hal Finney, is to run the mint on a platform that allows remote attestation. Check out rpow.net - he has a working implementation of a proof of work payment system hosted on an IBM 4758. -David Molnar
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An Metet wrote: What technologies currently exist for receiving a/psuedononymous message? With Mixmaster, sending mail, posting news, and even blog posting are possible, However, receiving replies securely or, better, holding a private conversation is difficult or impossible. Best bet seems is to encrypt and spam somewhere very public? Ugly, ugly. No technological method, just a few trust me remailers. Other options? Mixminion offers a basic building block called SURBs, Single User Reply Blocks. http://mixminion.net/ http://mixminion.net/minion-spec.txt There is a draft spec. for a nymserver which uses this building block but I've seen no news of an ongoing implementation: http://mixminion.net/nym-spec.txt Mixminion installation still indicates that anonymity is still not available, due to traffic levels still being too low. The mailing list discussed current traffic levels recently: http://archives.seul.org/mixminion/dev/Apr-2004/msg1.html
Re: no anon conversations?
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Re: Is there a Brands certificate reference implementation?
Steve Furlong wrote: Does anyone know of a reference implementation for Stefan Brands's digital certificate scheme? Alternatively, does anyone have an email address for Brands so I can ask him myself? (I haven't gotten anything back from ZKS's contact us address. But I don't know if Brands is still at ZKS.) He started a new company called Credentica. http://archives.abditum.com/cypherpunks/C-punks20020603/0053.html http://www.credentica.com/
Re: voting
David Jablon wrote: [...] Where is the privacy problem with Chaum receipts when Ed and others still have the freedom to refuse theirs or throw them away? At 11:43 AM 4/16/04 -0700, Ed Gerck wrote: The privacy, coercion, intimidation, vote selling and election integrity problems begin with giving away a receipt that is linkable to a ballot. These problems begin elsewhere. Whether a receipt would add any new problem depends on further analysis. It is not relevant to the security problem whether a voter may destroy his receipt, so that some receipts may disappear. What is relevant is that voters may HAVE to keep their receipt or... suffer retaliation... not get paid... lose their jobs... not get a promotion... etc. Also relevant is that voters may WANT to keep their receipts, for the same reasons. These are all relevant issues, and the system needs to be considered as a whole. The threat of coercion is present regardless of whether there's a system-provided receipt, linkable, anonymous, or none. For example, I might be told that after I vote I'll come face-to-face with a thug around the corner, who will ask who I voted for, and who has a knack for spotting liars. Or I may be told there's a secret camera in the booth. Or I may think I'm at risk in simply showing up to vote, due to my public party affiliation records, physical appearance, etc. These issues must be addressed, and these concerns show that the integrity of receipt validation must be ensured to at least the same degree as the integrity of vote casting. But *absolute* voter privacy seems like an unobtainable goal, and it should not be used to trump other important goals, like accountability. -- David
Re: voting
David Jablon wrote: [...] Where is the privacy problem with Chaum receipts when Ed and others still have the freedom to refuse theirs or throw them away? At 11:43 AM 4/16/04 -0700, Ed Gerck wrote: The privacy, coercion, intimidation, vote selling and election integrity problems begin with giving away a receipt that is linkable to a ballot. These problems begin elsewhere. Whether a receipt would add any new problem depends on further analysis. It is not relevant to the security problem whether a voter may destroy his receipt, so that some receipts may disappear. What is relevant is that voters may HAVE to keep their receipt or... suffer retaliation... not get paid... lose their jobs... not get a promotion... etc. Also relevant is that voters may WANT to keep their receipts, for the same reasons. These are all relevant issues, and the system needs to be considered as a whole. The threat of coercion is present regardless of whether there's a system-provided receipt, linkable, anonymous, or none. For example, I might be told that after I vote I'll come face-to-face with a thug around the corner, who will ask who I voted for, and who has a knack for spotting liars. Or I may be told there's a secret camera in the booth. Or I may think I'm at risk in simply showing up to vote, due to my public party affiliation records, physical appearance, etc. These issues must be addressed, and these concerns show that the integrity of receipt validation must be ensured to at least the same degree as the integrity of vote casting. But *absolute* voter privacy seems like an unobtainable goal, and it should not be used to trump other important goals, like accountability. -- David
Re: voting
I think Ed's criticism is off-target. Where is the privacy problem with Chaum receipts when Ed and others still have the freedom to refuse theirs or throw them away? It seems a legitimate priority for a voting system to be designed to assure voters that the system is working. What I see in serious voting system research efforts are attempts to build systems that provide both accountability and privacy, with minimal tradeoffs. If some kind of tradeoff between accountability and privacy is inevitable, in an extreme scenario, I'd still prefer the option to make the tradeoff for myself, rather than have the system automatically choose for me. -- David At 11:05 AM 4/9/04 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: 1. The use of receipts which a voter takes from the voting place to 'verify' that their vote was correctly included in the total opens the way for voter coercion. John Kelsey wrote: I think the VoteHere scheme and David Chaum's scheme both claim to solve this problem. The voting machine gives you a receipt that convinces you (based on other information you get) that your vote was counted as cast, but which doesn't leak any information at all about who you voted for to anyone else. Anyone can take that receipt, and prove to themselves that your vote was counted (if it was) or was not counted (if it wasn't). At 06:58 PM 4/15/04 -0700, Ed Gerck wrote: The flaw in *both* cases is that it reduces the level of privacy protection currently provided by paper ballots. Currently, voter privacy is absolute in the US and does not depend even on the will of the courts. For example, there is no way for a judge to assure that a voter under oath is telling the truth about how they voted, or not. This effectively protects the secrecy of the ballot and prevents coercion and intimidation in all cases.
Re: voting
I think Ed's criticism is off-target. Where is the privacy problem with Chaum receipts when Ed and others still have the freedom to refuse theirs or throw them away? It seems a legitimate priority for a voting system to be designed to assure voters that the system is working. What I see in serious voting system research efforts are attempts to build systems that provide both accountability and privacy, with minimal tradeoffs. If some kind of tradeoff between accountability and privacy is inevitable, in an extreme scenario, I'd still prefer the option to make the tradeoff for myself, rather than have the system automatically choose for me. -- David At 11:05 AM 4/9/04 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: 1. The use of receipts which a voter takes from the voting place to 'verify' that their vote was correctly included in the total opens the way for voter coercion. John Kelsey wrote: I think the VoteHere scheme and David Chaum's scheme both claim to solve this problem. The voting machine gives you a receipt that convinces you (based on other information you get) that your vote was counted as cast, but which doesn't leak any information at all about who you voted for to anyone else. Anyone can take that receipt, and prove to themselves that your vote was counted (if it was) or was not counted (if it wasn't). At 06:58 PM 4/15/04 -0700, Ed Gerck wrote: The flaw in *both* cases is that it reduces the level of privacy protection currently provided by paper ballots. Currently, voter privacy is absolute in the US and does not depend even on the will of the courts. For example, there is no way for a judge to assure that a voter under oath is telling the truth about how they voted, or not. This effectively protects the secrecy of the ballot and prevents coercion and intimidation in all cases.
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Re: [camram-spam] Re: Microsoft publicly announces Penny Black PoW postage project
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Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)
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DEAR FRIEND, MY NAME IS MENDE DAVID.THE ELDERST SON OF LATE CHEIF SOLOMON MELEMBE OF TUNGO DISTRICT,SIERRA LEONE. I GOT YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION FROM THE INTERNET WHILE BROWSING AT THE RECREATIONAL CENTRE IN REFUGEE 'S CAMP INTERNET CAFE HERE IN THE NETHERLANDS.MY SPIRIT CHOOSED AS YOUR CONTRY IS WHERE I WOULD LOVE TO BE.IT IS LEFT FOR YOU TO BE ORIGINAL AND TRUSTWORTHY SOMEONE.I WANT YOU TO TREAT THIS ISSUE AS CONFIDENTIAL. THIS IS MY LIFE AND MY BRIGHTER FUTURE, WITHOUT THIS I AM NOBODY,I HAVE BEEN KEEPING THIS ISSUE FOR THE PAST 4YEARS,BECAUSE I DO NOT TRUST BLACK AFRICAN.YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?BESIDES,I WANT TO FINALLY MOVE AWAY FROM AFRICA[ME AND MY MOTHER]TO START A NEW LIFE OVERTHERE. BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE FAMILY NO MORE AND NO RELATIVES. THE WAR HAD SPLIT EVERYBODY.MAYBE SOME OF THEM ARE STILL ALIVE WHICH I DON'T KNOW.OUR MIGTHY HOUSE AND THE PROPERTIES ARE NO MORE.MY YOUNGER BROTHER AND MY LITTLE SISTER DIED DURING THE WAR .PLEASE,I WANT YOU TO TREAT THIS ISSUE WHICH I AM ABOUT TO DISCLOE TO YOU AS CONFIDENTIAL ONCE AGAIN. MY FATHER,LATE CHIEF KAMARA MENDE DAVID,POPULARLY KNOWN AS IN OUR COUNTRY AS GIPU,HE WAS THE INDEPENDENT DIAMOND MARKETER IN KONO DISTRICT, SIERRALEONE.UNFORTUNATETELY FOR US,HE WAS AMONG THE TWELVE PROMINENT CITIZENS EXECUTED BY OUR PRESIDENT AHMED TEJAN KABBAH.MY FATHER, ALONG SIDE THE ELEVEEN PROMINENT CITIZEN[BOTH CIVILIAN AND MILITARY]WHERE ACCUSED OF SUPPORTING AND SPONSORING THE FORMAL DICTATOR,MAJOR.PAUL JOHNNY KOROMAH TO OVERTHROW THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT IN 1991 BEFORE THE WAR FINALLY BROKED OUT.THEY WHERE EXECUTEDIN 1999 BEFORE THEIR ARREST,MY LATE FATHER HAS ALREADY HANDED OVER SOME DOCUMENTS TO ME,WHICH REVEALS THAT,HE HAS DEPOSITED ONE SEALED BOX, CASH WAS DEPOSITED IN THE SECURITY COMPANY HERE IN THE NETHERLANDS WHICH CONTAINED ABOUT $26.8 MILLION US DOLLARS OF WHICH MY NAME IS THE NEXT OF KIN. MY LATE FATHER STATED THAT,HE REGISTERED THE BOTH BOXES AS CONTAINING PRECIOUS ITEMS AS AT THE TIME OF DEPOSIT IN ORDER NOT TO RAISE QUESTIONS.THE OFFICERS OF THE LOCAL SECURITY COMPANY DOES NOT KNOW THAT ONE OF THE BOXES ACTUALLY CONTAINS CASH. RIGHT NOW,I AM IN REFUGEES CAMP,HERE IN THE NETHERLANDS. WHILE MY MUM IS IN SENEGAL,WHERE WE FLEE TO BECAUSE OF THE WAR IN OUR CONTRY. I WANT YOU TO ASSIST US TO FACILITATES THE REMOVAL OF THE DEPOSITED BOXES FROM THE SECURITY AND DEPOSIT HOUSE,AND LATER ASSIST US TO INVEST THIS FUNDIN ANY BUSINESS SINCE WE DO NOT WANT TO RE-SETTLED IN AFRICA DUE TO THE INTRUSTION MY LATE FATHER GAVE TO ME AND FOR PEOPLE NOT TO SET THIER EYES ON OUR FAMILY.IF I HAVE YOUR CO-OPERATION,I WILL SEE THAT YOU ARE GENEROUSLY COMPENSATED.PLEASE INDICATE YOUR INTREST BY REPLYING TO ME ON THIS MAIL.SO THAT I CAN CONSULT OUR LAWYER TO PREPARE THE NECCESSARY AGGREEMENT LETTER,DOCUMENT BINDING BOTH OF US. 20% GIVEN TO YOU, 10% SET ASIDE FOR ANY EXPENCISES, 10% FOR OUR LIVING, 60% FOR THE INVESTMENT. I AWAIT YOUR SWIFT RESPONSE YOUR'S FAITHFULLY MENDE DAVID JNR.
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FROM DAVID GUEI EMAIL:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TEL: 0031-630-830-143 URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL ASSISTANCE. My name is David the Son of late General Robert Guei, the Ex-Military head of State of Ivory Coast, who was murdered along with the Interior Minister on the 19th of September 2002 (You can visit http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2269238.stm for complete report on thisincident). I contacted you because of my need to deal with persons whom my family and I have had no previous personal relationships. Since the murder of my father, I have been subjected to all sorts of harassment and intimidation with lots of negative reports emanating from the Government and the press about my family. The present Government has also ensured that our bank accounts are frozen and all assets seized. It is in view of this that I seek your co-operation and assistance in the transfer of the sum of Twenty Seven Million United States Dollars (US$27,000,000.00) being the very last of my family fund in my possession and control, after the murder of my father the Federal Government seized all our properties and our accounts both local and international was frozen. My only hope now is this cash that my father carefully packaged and deposited as artifacts with a Security/Finance Company in the Netherlands.The said sum can easily be with drawn or paid to a recommended beneficiary. The security company based on my instructions will release the fund to you and you will be presented as my partner who will be fronting for me in area of viable and profitable business. To show my preparedness and appreciation to carry-out this business with you, 25% of the total sum will be your share and 20% commission of the proceeds realized from the investment of this fund will also be yours, also 5% is to be set aside for any eventual cost that might arise as the transaction proceeds. I need your full support and co-operation for the success of this transaction. I plead with you to treat this issue confidential and urgent because it is delicate and it demands a great degree of secrecy. I am presently in the Netherlands seeking Asylum. I would want you to reach me through my telephone number or email address above if you are interested to assist me. I sincerely will appreciate your response. I wait to hear from you. Regards, David Guei.
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Dear Friend You may be surprised to receive this letter from me since you do not know me personally. I am the first Son of the most popular black farmer in Zimbabwe who was murdered in the land dispute in my country. I got your contact through network online hence decided to write you. Before the death of my father, he took me to Johannesburg to deposit the sum of US$30 Million (thirty million United States dollars), in one of the security company, as he foresaw the looming danger in Zimbabwe. This money was deposited in a box as gem stones to avoid much demurrage from the Security Company. This amount was meant for the purchase of new machines and chemicals for the Farms and establishment of new farms in Swaziland. This land problem came when Zimbabwean President Mr. Robert Mugabe, introduced a new Land Act Reform wholly affecting the rich white farmers and some few black farmers, and this resulted to the killing and mob action by Zimbabwean war veterans and some lunatics in the society. In fact a lot of people were killed because of this Land reform Act for which my father was one of the victims. it is against this background that I and my family fled Zimbabwe to South Africa for fear of our lives. After which, I traveled to the Netherlands and I am currently staying in the Netherlands where i am seeking political asylum and more so have decided to transfer my father's money to a more reliable foreign account. Since the law of Europe prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to open any bank account or to be involved in any financial transaction throughout the territorial zone of European Union. As the eldest child of my father, I am saddled with the responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account where this money could be transferred without the knowledge of my government who are bent on taking everything we have got. The South African government seems to be playing along with them. I am faced with the dilemma of moving this amount of money out of my family name for fear of going through difficulty in future. Both countries have similar political history. I am seeking for a partner who I have to entrust my future and that of my family in his hands, I must let you know that this transaction is risk free. If you accept to assist me and my family, all I want you to do for me, is to make arrangements with the security company to clear the Consignment (funds) from their affiliate office here in the Netherlands as i have already given directives for the consignment to be brought to the Netherlands from South Africa. But before then all modalities will have to be put in place like change of ownership to the consignment. I have two options for you. Firstly you can choose to have certain percentage of the money for nominating your account for this transaction. Or you can go into partnership with me for the proper profitable investment of the money in your country. Whichever the option you want, feel free to notify me. If you do not prefer a partnership I am willing to give you 20% of the money while the remaining 80% will be for my investment in any of the country of your choice. Contact with my email- ( davo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) while I implore you to maintain the absolute secrecy required in this transaction. I await your immediate reply and God bless. Best regards, David Zuma NOTE: ON YOUR INABILITY TO HANDLE THIS TRANSACTION RESPOND TO ME AND INFORM ME SO I CAN LOOK FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
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Dear Friend. You may be surprised to receive this letter from me since you do not know me personally. I am the first Son of the most popular black farmer in Zimbabwe who was murdered in the land dispute in my country. I got your contact through network online hence decided to write you. Before the death of my father, he took me to Johannesburg to deposit the sum of US$30 Million (thirty million United States dollars), in one of the security company, as he foresaw the looming danger in Zimbabwe. This money was deposited in a box as gem stones to avoid much demurrage from the Security Company. This amount was meant for the purchase of new machines and chemicals for the Farms and establishment of new farms in Swaziland. This land problem came when Zimbabwean President Mr. Robert Mugabe, introduced a new Land Act Reform wholly affecting the rich white farmers and some few black farmers, and this resulted to the killing and mob action by Zimbabwean war veterans and some lunatics in the society. In fact a lot of people were killed because of this Land reform Act for which my father was one of the victims. it is against this background that I and my family fled Zimbabwe to South Africa for fear of our lives. After which, I traveled to the Netherlands and I am currently staying in the Netherlands where i am seeking political asylum and more so have decided to transfer my father's money to a more reliable foreign account. Since the law of Europe prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to open any bank account or to be involved in any financial transaction throughout the territorial zone of European Union. As the eldest child of my father, I am saddled with the responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account where this money could be transferred without the knowledge of my government who are bent on taking everything we have got. The South African government seems to be playing along with them. I am faced with the dilemma of moving this amount of money out of my family name for fear of going through difficulty in future. Both countries have similar political history. I am seeking for a partner who I have to entrust my future and that of my family in his hands, I must let you know that this transaction is risk free. If you accept to assist me and my family, all I want you to do for me, is to make arrangements with the security company to clear the Consignment (funds) from their affiliate office here in the Netherlands as i have already given directives for the consignment to be brought to the Netherlands from South Africa. But before then all modalities will have to be put in place like change of ownership to the consignment. I have two options for you. Firstly you can choose to have certain percentage of the money for nominating your account for this transaction. Or you can go into partnership with me for the proper profitable investment of the money in your country. Whichever the option you want, feel free to notify me. If you do not prefer a partnership I am willing to give you 20% of the money while the remaining 80 will be for my investment in any of the country of your choice. Contact with my email- ( davo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) while I implore you to maintain the absolute secrecy required in this transaction. I await your immediate reply and God bless. Best regards, David Zuma. NOTE: ON YOUR INABILITY TO HANDLE THIS TRANSACTION RESPOND TO ME AND INFORM ME SO I CAN LOOK FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
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A CRY FOR HELP Dear brother, Compliments of the season to you.we pray that as you read this mail may God in his infinite mercy bless you and grant you good health and patience to read and digest the contents of this mail.Please this is not Scam in any way We are only orphans/lepers in Nigeria,begging for your assistance. This might interest you,NIGERIA AS RICH AS THEY ARE BEGGING FOR ASSISTANCE?-Yes NIGERIA a country so rich,so much endowed with different natural resources, name it,we have it all. yet majority of its citizens are poor.this is as a result of bad leadership.Our past,and present leaders are corrupt,crooks, criminals.They have embezzled all the money in the treasury,Money made for the development of the country and the elleviation of suffering of the masses.this money are stolen and kept in foreign banks abroad . The executive,the lesgislators and even members of the judiciary are guity of this act.Yet they lie to the world, give wrong impression about us that we are not suffering. i tell you , 90% of Nigerians are poor and suffering.this is why many young nigerians are in foreign countries doing all sort of jobs,our ladies are forced to sell their bodies,for survival. graduates are jobless,no jobs nothing, except you are dubious you can't survive in Nigeria.Money meant for the nations development are been siphoned to foreign banks in western countries, billion of us dollars are being transfered daily to banks abroad.It will take me a long time to narrate the ordeals of this nation As a result of this, we the inmates of Ossiomo orphage/lepers home decided to cry out for help, we have been begging our government and well meaning Nigerians to come to our aid ,but all to no avail.This orphanage home established in 1980 by the then governor of Bendel state has been completely abandoned,we are totally forgotten. our buildings are falling apart,no clothes, no food, nothing.We have resulted to begging,which is the only hope and the only way forward for now majority of us are old and very weak,what we do now is to go to major highways in Nigeria,hang around, in areas where there are pot-holes (because motorist plighing the road will be forced to slow down in these bad spots)and beg for money to feed and educate ourselves.some of us are in lagos-benin expressway,benin-onitsha expressway-. The wives of our leaders i.e the wives of the president and his vice,wives of the 36 states governors in Nigeria are all claiming that,they have orphanage homes here, where they help the needy they sort funds from international communities with the influence of their husbands in power, also money is given to them by goverment to run orphanages which does not exist. the money given to them are kept in their foreign bank account for their private use They are all scammers.Ours is real, ask any of your friends who has travelled by road within Nigeria if he/ she saw us. Please we are appealling to you to help us to help save our souls please come to our assistance, Please whatever little donations made to us in cash or in kind, we be highly appreciated, and it will go a long way to elleviate the suffering of the inmates of Ossiomo orphanage/leper home.it will also help in the reduction of crime in Nigeria.Help us,for we are beggers,we dont have families,no friend, abandoned by our government. All we have is our God and you, please don't neglet us too. Nothing is too small.we know its not easy overthere But whatever you give will be given back to you a thousand fold.May the Good God bless you,soften your heart about us.in this process of bringing happiness and smiles to our lives. We are sorry for disturbing you with a bulky mail such as this. Thanks also for your patience and time.please we patiently awaits your response to this email. your advice will be appreciated also.May God bless you and your family in jesus name. Amen Your brothers/Sisters in need David Ero Ossiomo Orphanage home. Charle con sus amigos online usando CHAT 123 http://www.123.com/sp/chat/section.php?id_section=329
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A CRY FOR HELP Dear brother, Compliments of the season to you.we pray that as you read this mail may God in his infinite mercy bless you and grant you good health and patience to read and digest the contents of this mail.Please this is not Scam in any way We are only orphans/lepers in Nigeria,begging for your assistance. This might interest you,NIGERIA AS RICH AS THEY ARE BEGGING FOR ASSISTANCE?-Yes NIGERIA a country so rich,so much endowed with different natural resources, name it,we have it all. yet majority of its citizens are poor.this is as a result of bad leadership.Our past,and present leaders are corrupt,crooks, criminals.They have embezzled all the money in the treasury,Money made for the development of the country and the elleviation of suffering of the masses.this money are stolen and kept in foreign banks abroad . The executive,the lesgislators and even members of the judiciary are guity of this act.Yet they lie to the world, give wrong impression about us that we are not suffering. i tell you , 90% of Nigerians are poor and suffering.this is why many young nigerians are in foreign countries doing all sort of jobs,our ladies are forced to sell their bodies,for survival. graduates are jobless,no jobs nothing, except you are dubious you can't survive in Nigeria.Money meant for the nations development are been siphoned to foreign banks in western countries, billion of us dollars are being transfered daily to banks abroad.It will take me a long time to narrate the ordeals of this nation As a result of this, we the inmates of Ossiomo orphage/lepers home decided to cry out for help, we have been begging our government and well meaning Nigerians to come to our aid ,but all to no avail.This orphanage home established in 1980 by the then governor of Bendel state has been completely abandoned,we are totally forgotten. our buildings are falling apart,no clothes, no food, nothing.We have resulted to begging,which is the only hope and the only way forward for now majority of us are old and very weak,what we do now is to go to major highways in Nigeria,hang around, in areas where there are pot-holes (because motorist plighing the road will be forced to slow down in these bad spots)and beg for money to feed and educate ourselves.some of us are in lagos-benin expressway,benin-onitsha expressway-. The wives of our leaders i.e the wives of the president and his vice,wives of the 36 states governors in Nigeria are all claiming that,they have orphanage homes here, where they help the needy they sort funds from international communities with the influence of their husbands in power, also money is given to them by goverment to run orphanages which does not exist. the money given to them are kept in their foreign bank account for their private use They are all scammers.Ours is real, ask any of your friends who has travelled by road within Nigeria if he/ she saw us. Please we are appealling to you to help us to help save our souls please come to our assistance, Please whatever little donations made to us in cash or in kind, we be highly appreciated, and it will go a long way to elleviate the suffering of the inmates of Ossiomo orphanage/leper home.it will also help in the reduction of crime in Nigeria.Help us,for we are beggers,we dont have families,no friend, abandoned by our government. All we have is our God and you, please don't neglet us too. Nothing is too small.we know its not easy overthere But whatever you give will be given back to you a thousand fold.May the Good God bless you,soften your heart about us.in this process of bringing happiness and smiles to our lives. We are sorry for disturbing you with a bulky mail such as this. Thanks also for your patience and time.please we patiently awaits your response to this email. your advice will be appreciated also.May God bless you and your family in jesus name. Amen Your brothers/Sisters in need David Ero Ossiomo Orphanage home. Charle con sus amigos online usando CHAT 123 http://www.123.com/sp/chat/section.php?id_section=329 Charle con sus amigos online usando CHAT 123 http://www.123.com/sp/chat/section.php?id_section=329
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Dear friend, My letter might come to you as a surprise but I request you go through it patiently and understand why I decided to write without seeking for your formal permission. My name is david Tubman, I am a grand son of former President William Tubman(late) . I work under the present President of Liberia - Mr Charles Taylor as an under secretary . I am wrting this letter to you because of where we have found ourselves. You should remember that the government of Liberia under President Charles Taylor, has been having problems with the United Nations. Only last week, Mr Taylor and some members of his cabinet were indicted in the War crime tribunal in Sierra Leorne.As if that is not enough, the bank account of Mr Taylor and some members of his cabinet have been frozen in Switzerland. The asset of Liberian President incooperated with legal aid application by the UN WAR CRIME TRIBUNAL in Sierra Leorne amount to 2.37billion swiss francs or 1.54 billion euros. The tribunal indicted Taylor of financial and military sponsor of two rebel groups in Sierra Leorne whlie receiving raw diamonds which he sold and invested the profit in several countries including Switzerland. Right now,because of this, indictment is hanging on the neck of Mr.Taylor and some other government officials. It is difficult for ther innocent officials to operate bank accounts and invest in any business. So I want to solicite for your help as a foreign partner to move our funds in The Netherlands. I need your help because of this stigma which has been placed on my senior colleagues. Also I am soliciting for your help because I do not know when this whole investigation will be over.What we have collectively in The Netherlands is $226.45M . If you can successfully help us to move all to safety, into your account, we promise to give you 13% and any investment we make ,with the remaining amount, we shall alocate 2% to you. This transaction is risk free because this is not drug money and we have documents to prove it. Please treat this request with the utmost secrecy it deserves even if you are not willing to help.Let me have your private telephone,fax and address so that I can be able to contact you to discuss the modalities of this transaction. God bless, Thanks, david tubman
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Dear friend, My letter might come to you as a surprise but I request you go through it patiently and understand why I decided to write without seeking for your formal permission. My name is david Tubman, I am a grand son of former President William Tubman(late) . I work under the present President of Liberia - Mr Charles Taylor as an under secretary . I am wrting this letter to you because of where we have found ourselves. You should remember that the government of Liberia under President Charles Taylor, has been having problems with the United Nations. Only last week, Mr Taylor and some members of his cabinet were indicted in the War crime tribunal in Sierra Leorne.As if that is not enough, the bank account of Mr Taylor and some members of his cabinet have been frozen in Switzerland. The asset of Liberian President incooperated with legal aid application by the UN WAR CRIME TRIBUNAL in Sierra Leorne amount to 2.37billion swiss francs or 1.54 billion euros. The tribunal indicted Taylor of financial and military sponsor of two rebel groups in Sierra Leorne whlie receiving raw diamonds which he sold and invested the profit in several countries including Switzerland. Right now,because of this, indictment is hanging on the neck of Mr.Taylor and some other government officials. It is difficult for ther innocent officials to operate bank accounts and invest in any business. So I want to solicite for your help as a foreign partner to move our funds in The Netherlands. I need your help because of this stigma which has been placed on my senior colleagues. Also I am soliciting for your help because I do not know when this whole investigation will be over.What we have collectively in The Netherlands is $226.45M . If you can successfully help us to move all to safety, into your account, we promise to give you 13% and any investment we make ,with the remaining amount, we shall alocate 2% to you. This transaction is risk free because this is not drug money and we have documents to prove it. Please treat this request with the utmost secrecy it deserves even if you are not willing to help.Let me have your private telephone,fax and address so that I can be able to contact you to discuss the modalities of this transaction. God bless, Thanks, david tubman
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Dear friend, My letter might come to you as a surprise but I request you go through it patiently and understand why I decided to write without seeking for your formal permission. My name is david Tubman, I am a grand son of former President William Tubman(late) . I work under the present President of Liberia - Mr Charles Taylor as an under secretary . I am wrting this letter to you because of where we have found ourselves. You should remember that the government of Liberia under President Charles Taylor, has been having problems with the United Nations. Only last week, Mr Taylor and some members of his cabinet were indicted in the War crime tribunal in Sierra Leorne.As if that is not enough, the bank account of Mr Taylor and some members of his cabinet have been frozen in Switzerland. The asset of Liberian President incooperated with legal aid application by the UN WAR CRIME TRIBUNAL in Sierra Leorne amount to 2.37billion swiss francs or 1.54 billion euros. The tribunal indicted Taylor of financial and military sponsor of two rebel groups in Sierra Leorne whlie receiving raw diamonds which he sold and invested the profit in several countries including Switzerland. Right now,because of this, indictment is hanging on the neck of Mr.Taylor and some other government officials. It is difficult for ther innocent officials to operate bank accounts and invest in any business. So I want to solicite for your help as a foreign partner to move our funds in The Netherlands. I need your help because of this stigma which has been placed on my senior colleagues. Also I am soliciting for your help because I do not know when this whole investigation will be over.What we have collectively in The Netherlands is $226.45M . If you can successfully help us to move all to safety, into your account, we promise to give you 13% and any investment we make ,with the remaining amount, we shall alocate 2% to you. This transaction is risk free because this is not drug money and we have documents to prove it. Please treat this request with the utmost secrecy it deserves even if you are not willing to help.Let me have your private telephone,fax and address so that I can be able to contact you to discuss the modalities of this transaction. God bless, Thanks, david tubman
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FROM: David Guei EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TEL: 0031-613-937-708 URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL ASSISTANCE Dear Sir, My name is David Guei, the son of late General Robert Guei, the ex-military head of state of Ivory Coast, who was murdered along with the interior minister on the 19th of September 2002 (You can visit http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2269238.stm for complete report on this incident) I contacted you because of my need to deal with persons whom my family and I have had no previous personal relationships. Since the murder of my father, I have been subjected to all sorts of harassment and intimidation with lots of negative reports emanating from the Government and the press about my family. The present Government has also ensured that our bank accounts are frozen and all assets seized. It is in view of this that I seek your co-operation and assistance in the transfer of the sum of Twenty seven Million United States Dollars (US$27,000,000.00) being the very last of my family fund in my possession and control, after the murder of my father, the Federal Government seized all our properties and our accounts both local and international was frozen. My only hope now is this cash that my father carefully packaged and deposited as artefacts with a Security/Finance Company in the Netherlands. The said sum can easily be withdrawn or paid to a recommended beneficiary. The security company based on my instructions will release the fund to you and you will be presented as my partner who will be fronting for me in area of viable and profitable business. To show my preparedness and appreciation to carry-out this business with you, 25% of the total sum will be your share and 20% commission of the proceeds realized from the investment of this fund will also be yours, also 5% is to be set aside for any eventual cost that might arise as the transaction proceeds. I need your full support and co-operation for the success of this transaction. I plead with you to treat this issue confidential and urgent because it is delicate and it demands a great degree of secrecy. I would want you to reach me through my through my email address above if you are interested to assist me. I sincerely will appreciate your response. But right now, I am in the Netherlands as an asylum seeker. I wait to hear from you. Regards, David Guei.
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Re: An attack on paypal -- secure UI for browsers
Adam Lydick wrote: The faq (see attached) claims that anyone can write a nexus and that users control which nexus(s) run. I certainly didn't see anything that suggests that anyone can force you to run arbitrary code, regardless of who has signed it. Force, maybe not. No one can force me to turn my machine on, for instance. But take a look at one line you quoted from the FAQ: Only one nexus at a time will be able to run on a machine. That looks to me like an important sentence.
Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down
Ian Grigg wrote: (Similar to GSM's. That is hard to attack, there is AFAIR no 'trival' attack, [...] Just wait a little while. By the way, one can already buy fake base stations that mount man-in-the-middle attacks on GSM as a way to eavesdrop on GSM calls. It's off the shelf, but it costs ridiculous amounts of money. Now, it seems that the US standards didn't get even that. Right. The major barrier is the need for a digital scanner (which indeed is a major barrier against certain threat models, but not a barrier for other threat models). And, market forces and all that, one would think that this would happen in due course. I'm less optimistic. Market forces being what they are, one would expect that one would quickly get cellphones that are *claimed* and *perceived* to be more secure, regardless of their true merits or demerits. Oh wait, that already happened.
Re: CDR: Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down
Sampo Syreeni wrote: Rather it's the fact that the Big Brother doesn't have the necessary total funds, and so doesn't listen into a considerable proportion of calls as a whole. Yet. As far as we know. :-) I agree it's an economic issue, and law enforcement doesn't seem to listen in on a considerable proportion of calls as a whole at the moment. But what happens to costs in the future? Remember, it takes 10 years to get any change to the cellphone/telecommunications infrastructure deployed, so it pays to think ahead. By the way, what's the story with those SIGINT planes supposedly advertised as being able to fly over a city and capture communications from the whole metropolitan area? John Young had a pointer on his web site at one point. Do you suppose they might snarf up all the cellphone traffic they can find, en masse? What proportion of calls would that be, as a fraction of the whole? One wonders whether your confidence in the security of cellphone traffic is well-founded.
Re: Logging of Web Usage
Bill Frantz writes: The http://cryptome.org/usage-logs.htm URL says: Low resolution data in most cases is intended to be sufficient for marketing analyses. It may take the form of IP addresses that have been subjected to a one way hash, to refer URLs that exclude information other than the high level domain, or temporary cookies. Note that since IPv4 addresses are 32 bits, anyone willing to dedicate a computer for a few hours can reverse a one way hash by exhaustive search. Truncating IPs seems a much more privacy friendly approach. This problem would be less acute with IPv6 addresses. I'm skeptical that it will even take a few hours; on a 1.5 GHz desktop machine, using openssl speed, I see about a million hash operations per second. (It depends slightly on which hash you choose.) This is without compiling OpenSSL with processor-specific optimizations. That would imply a mean time to reverse the hash of about 2100 seconds, which we could probably improve with processor-specific optimizations or by buying a more recent machine. What's more, we can exclude from our search parts of the IP address space which haven't been allocated, and optimize the search by beginning with IP networks which are more likely to be the source of hits based on prior statistical evidence. Even without _any_ of these improvements, it's just about 35 minutes on average. I used to advocate one-way hashing for logs, but a 35-minute search on an ordinary desktop PC is not much obstacle. It might still be helpful if you used a keyed hash and then threw away the key after a short time period (perhaps every 6 hours). Then you can't identify or link visitors across 6-hour periods. If the key is very long, reversing the hash could become very hard. The logging problem will depend on what server operators are trying to accomplish. Some people just want to try to count unique visitors; strangely enough, they might get more privacy-protective (and comparably precise) results by issuing short-lived cookies. -- Seth David Schoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Very frankly, I am opposed to people http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | being programmed by others. http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | -- Fred Rogers (1928-2003), |464 U.S. 417, 445 (1984)
Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV
at Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:53 PM, Kevin S. Van Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: What's a legitimate government? One with enough firepower to make its rule stick? One with real (not imagined) WMD to frighten off american presidents. NK being a good example...
Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV
at Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:53 PM, Kevin S. Van Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: What's a legitimate government? One with enough firepower to make its rule stick? One with real (not imagined) WMD to frighten off american presidents. NK being a good example...
Public hearing in Boston on Mass DMCA bill
For those on this list from the Boston area there is a public hearing on the Mass version of the Super-DMCA bill on Wed April 2nd at 10 AM in Room 222 of the Mass State house in downtown Boston. This might be a chance to find out who is sponsoring this legislation and raise some objections to its overbroad nature. The actual sponsor of this legislation is a Rep Stephen Tobin from Boston He advertises the bill as legislation to establish a crime of illegal internet and broadband access. I hope some Mass list members show up... (And for some strange reason my [EMAIL PROTECTED] address has suddenly become blocked by lne.com as a spam site. This has never happened before and is rather scary. It suggests a targetted counterattack by someone). Dave Emery - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Public hearing in Boston on Mass DMCA bill
For those on this list from the Boston area there is a public hearing on the Mass version of the Super-DMCA bill on Wed April 2nd at 10 AM in Room 222 of the Mass State house in downtown Boston. This might be a chance to find out who is sponsoring this legislation and raise some objections to its overbroad nature. The actual sponsor of this legislation is a Rep Stephen Tobin from Boston He advertises the bill as legislation to establish a crime of illegal internet and broadband access. I hope some Mass list members show up... (And for some strange reason my [EMAIL PROTECTED] address has suddenly become blocked by lne.com as a spam site. This has never happened before and is rather scary. It suggests a targetted counterattack by someone). Dave Emery - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV
at Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:36 AM, Sarad AV [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: there is a lot of self imposed sensor ship in US on the war.The Us pows's shown on al-jazeera were not broadcasted over Us and those sites which had pictures of POW's were removed as unethical graphics on web pages. May be the US itself might be stopping access to al-jazeera networks. It certainly sounds probable. All the US and UK coverage is being very carefully stage-managed - all reporters are embedded into units for a reason - they are permitted to film what they are told, when they are told, and striking out on your own (or using a uplink to upload raw news to the newsroom carries the death penalty - as the ITN crew found out. Having a raw source of news - particularly one that carries pictures of young children being pulled from the rubble minus their legs - cannot possibly be tolerated. That isn't to say *that* source isn't biassed as well - try finding pro-COW coverage, and there must be at least some of the pro-COW coverage that our major media puts out that isn't faked.
Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV
at Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:36 AM, Sarad AV [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: there is a lot of self imposed sensor ship in US on the war.The Us pows's shown on al-jazeera were not broadcasted over Us and those sites which had pictures of POW's were removed as unethical graphics on web pages. May be the US itself might be stopping access to al-jazeera networks. It certainly sounds probable. All the US and UK coverage is being very carefully stage-managed - all reporters are embedded into units for a reason - they are permitted to film what they are told, when they are told, and striking out on your own (or using a uplink to upload raw news to the newsroom carries the death penalty - as the ITN crew found out. Having a raw source of news - particularly one that carries pictures of young children being pulled from the rubble minus their legs - cannot possibly be tolerated. That isn't to say *that* source isn't biassed as well - try finding pro-COW coverage, and there must be at least some of the pro-COW coverage that our major media puts out that isn't faked.
Re: terror alert black
at Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:23 PM, Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: I've heard that for terror alert black we're all supposed to down a few 100 milligrams of valium, and stay in our beds, butts-up. For hidden weapons inspections, of course. *lol* might be close to the truth at that - At a recent incident in england, the police opened up the protester's *sandwiches* to check for concealed weapons in there. still, eggs can be lethal if not properly cooked :)
Re: I for one am glad that...
at Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:39 AM, Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: Which resolution took away any Member State's authority to all necessary means to uphold resolution 690? I think the problem here is who gets to define what is necessary - the UN Security council thinks it is them, Bush thinks it is him personally.
Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City
About the threat to Washington: I think it's relatively high. A nerve gas attack on buildings or the Metro seems likely. (The Japanese AUM cult had Sarin, but was inept. A more capable, military-trained operative has had many months to get into D.C. and wait for the obvious time to attack. And he need not even be a suicide bomber. A cannister of VX with a reliable timer is child's play. Chemical weapons are legally dodgy - but under the Bush Doctorine, saddam could blow huge civilian areas of Washington away with missles, and just call it a shock and awe demonstration against a country that might attack it and that is known to have all three forms of WMD. I mean, that's reasonable isn't it? bush said it was
Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police
On Friday 07 March 2003 00:52, gann wrote: A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver and calls the police has been developed snip I'm in favor of it snip Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any other individual to subsidize your welfare. This device, if forced on individuals by a government entity, would violate fourth amendment protections against self-incrimination. DUI laws requiring breath or blood tests do the same thing. DUI laws define a political crime (as opposed to a crime with an actual victim) based on an arbitrary biological baseline (blood alcohol content). Reckless endangerment of another person is a real crime with a real victim regardless of the amount of alcohol or other drugs in the person's system. Laws against reckless endangerment can be enforced without violating constitutionally protected rights. DUI laws need to be abolished. This would all be academic if this were not a socialist country where the roads are built on stolen property with stolen money. If the roads were private property owned by private individuals then you would be free to travel on roads that required onboard breath testers, submission to random searches of your vehicle and body cavities, along with background checks of your criminal history, credit, and bank records if that made you feel safe and secure. If the terms of use of that road company were not to your liking you would be free to travel on a competing company's roads. Live free or die, David Neilson
Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police
On Sunday 09 March 2003 18:16, you wrote: On Sunday 09 March 2003 10:31 am, david wrote: Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any other individual to subsidize your welfare. This device, if forced on individuals by a government entity, would violate fourth amendment protections against self-incrimination. DUI laws requiring breath or blood tests do the same thing. But you wouldn't mind if insurance companies required the device in order for you to get a policy (whether or not it called the police or just the insurance company) ? Right ?
Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police
On Sunday 09 March 2003 18:16, A.Melon wrote: On Sunday 09 March 2003 10:31 am, david wrote: Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any other individual to subsidize your welfare. This device, if forced on individuals by a government entity, would violate fourth amendment protections against self-incrimination. DUI laws requiring breath or blood tests do the same thing. But you wouldn't mind if insurance companies required the device in order for you to get a policy (whether or not it called the police or just the insurance company) ? Right ? Not as long as it was truly a free market transaction involving no government regulation of the insurance company or laws requiring you to buy the insurance. Any transaction freely entered into by both parties is acceptable. David Neilson
Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police
On Sunday 09 March 2003 18:16, you wrote: On Sunday 09 March 2003 10:31 am, david wrote: Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any other individual to subsidize your welfare. This device, if forced on individuals by a government entity, would violate fourth amendment protections against self-incrimination. DUI laws requiring breath or blood tests do the same thing. But you wouldn't mind if insurance companies required the device in order for you to get a policy (whether or not it called the police or just the insurance company) ? Right ?
Re: Scientists question electronic voting
at Thursday, March 06, 2003 5:02 PM, Ed Gerck [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: On the other hand, photographing a paper receipt behind a glass, which receipt is printed after your vote choices are final, is not readily deniable because that receipt is printed only after you confirm your choices. as has been pointed out repeatedly - either you have some way to bin the receipt and start over, or it is worthless (and merely confirms you made a bad vote without giving you any opportunity to correct it) That given, you could vote once for each party, take your photograph, void the vote (and receipt) for each one, and then vote the way you originally intended to :) No, as I commented before, voiding the vote in that proposal after the paper receipt is printed is a serious matter -- it means that either the machine made an error in recording the e-vote or (as it is oftentimes neglected) the machine made an error in printing the vote. Or more probably, as seen in the american case - the user didn't understand the interface and voted wrongly. of course, you could avoid this by stating that the voting software displays the vote and gives a yes/no choice before printing the slip, but there is no reason to actually display the slip if there is no hope of voiding it short of storming out of the booth and demanding someone fix it.
Re: Scientists question electronic voting
at Thursday, March 06, 2003 5:02 PM, Ed Gerck [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: On the other hand, photographing a paper receipt behind a glass, which receipt is printed after your vote choices are final, is not readily deniable because that receipt is printed only after you confirm your choices. as has been pointed out repeatedly - either you have some way to bin the receipt and start over, or it is worthless (and merely confirms you made a bad vote without giving you any opportunity to correct it) That given, you could vote once for each party, take your photograph, void the vote (and receipt) for each one, and then vote the way you originally intended to :) No, as I commented before, voiding the vote in that proposal after the paper receipt is printed is a serious matter -- it means that either the machine made an error in recording the e-vote or (as it is oftentimes neglected) the machine made an error in printing the vote. Or more probably, as seen in the american case - the user didn't understand the interface and voted wrongly. of course, you could avoid this by stating that the voting software displays the vote and gives a yes/no choice before printing the slip, but there is no reason to actually display the slip if there is no hope of voiding it short of storming out of the booth and demanding someone fix it.
thirty year plan
Here's a link to an interesting article about the US plan to control the world's oil supply. It points put the hazard of inviting the wolves to watch your henhouse for you. http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/10/ma_273_01.html David Neilson
thirty year plan
Here's a link to an interesting article about the US plan to control the world's oil supply. It points put the hazard of inviting the wolves to watch your henhouse for you. http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/10/ma_273_01.html David Neilson
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Re: Press Coverage, Snarky Media Personalities, and War
On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:14:58 -0600, Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least two of my prior e-mail addresses made never ever spam these addresses lists (unlike remove lists, these are actually heeded by a lot of spamming vermin), so I know that this can work. Where can one sign up to these never ever spam lists? Dave Hodgins
Re: Trivial OPT generation method?
There is no weakness in it that I could come up with (presuming the audio input is sufficiently random, which in case of badly tuned station it seems to be; white noise generator would be better, though). Sounds good to me. you should certainly get 16 good bytes from 128, and while assuming a higher entropy would be faster, it is better to be conservative if you can afford it.
Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s
at Friday, February 21, 2003 4:44 PM, James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: Highly capitalist nations do not murder millions. but their highly capitalist companies sometimes do. is this a meaningful distinction?
Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s
at Friday, February 21, 2003 4:44 PM, James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: Highly capitalist nations do not murder millions. but their highly capitalist companies sometimes do. is this a meaningful distinction?
Re: School of the future
at Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:04 AM, Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: The real school of the future won't have classrooms at all, and no teachers as we now know them. Instead there will be workstations with VR helmets and a number of software gurus in the machine tailoring themselves to the individual students needs and personality. The machine will never be tired or grumpy or just having a bad day or serious personality problems like human teachers. They would if I wrote them :) Some days you need a kind, understanding, sympathetic teacher; others, you need the Scary kind :)
Re: Blood for Oil (was The Pig Boy was really squealing today
at Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:28 AM, Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: No oil but lots of dope, especially lots of high grade opium and the CIA and the US scum military has been just desperate to get control of the world heroin trade again like they did in Vietnam days. They don't need to build a pipeline though Afganistan any more then? I know they were pretty annoyed when the taleban refused to let them, prior to 9/11
Re: School of the future
at Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:04 AM, Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: The real school of the future won't have classrooms at all, and no teachers as we now know them. Instead there will be workstations with VR helmets and a number of software gurus in the machine tailoring themselves to the individual students needs and personality. The machine will never be tired or grumpy or just having a bad day or serious personality problems like human teachers. They would if I wrote them :) Some days you need a kind, understanding, sympathetic teacher; others, you need the Scary kind :)
Re: Blood for Oil (was The Pig Boy was really squealing today
at Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:28 AM, Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: No oil but lots of dope, especially lots of high grade opium and the CIA and the US scum military has been just desperate to get control of the world heroin trade again like they did in Vietnam days. They don't need to build a pipeline though Afganistan any more then? I know they were pretty annoyed when the taleban refused to let them, prior to 9/11
Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 20:16, Bill wrote: At 5:53 PM -0800 2/17/03, Tyler Durden wrote: Any kid coming to school with a knife or gun gets thrown out, period. Gee, when I was in high school, I was on the high school rifle team. I still have the varsity letter with the crossed rifles on it. Our ammo was paid for by the US military, who wanted recruits who could shoot. I brought my gun to school at the beginning of the season, and took it home at the end. Teenager have the same right to self defense that adults do. Why would any sane kid want to go into one of those war zones unarmed? Why would any sane parent allow them to do so? David Neilson
