Re: MD5 collisions?
At 09:04 PM 8/17/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 7:33 PM -0500 8/17/04, Declan McCullagh wrote: One is enough. Less is more. Let's eliminate redundancy, thus eliminating redundancy. LMAO RAH :-) = 36 Laurelwood Dr Irvine CA 92620-1299 VOX: (714) 544-9727 (home) mnemonic: P1G JIG WRAP VOX: (949) 462-6726 (work -don't leave msgs, I can't pick them up) mnemonic: WIZ GOB MRAM ICBM: -117.7621, 33.7275 HTTP: http://68.5.216.23:81 (back up, but not 99.999% reliable) PGP PUBLIC KEY: by arrangement Send plain ASCII text not HTML lest ye be misquoted -- Don't 'sir' me, young man, you have no idea who you're dealing with Tommy Lee Jones, MIB No, you're not 'tripping', that is an emu ---Hank R. Hill
Re: MD5 collisions?
At 09:04 PM 8/17/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 7:33 PM -0500 8/17/04, Declan McCullagh wrote: One is enough. Less is more. Let's eliminate redundancy, thus eliminating redundancy. LMAO RAH :-) = 36 Laurelwood Dr Irvine CA 92620-1299 VOX: (714) 544-9727 (home) mnemonic: P1G JIG WRAP VOX: (949) 462-6726 (work -don't leave msgs, I can't pick them up) mnemonic: WIZ GOB MRAM ICBM: -117.7621, 33.7275 HTTP: http://68.5.216.23:81 (back up, but not 99.999% reliable) PGP PUBLIC KEY: by arrangement Send plain ASCII text not HTML lest ye be misquoted -- Don't 'sir' me, young man, you have no idea who you're dealing with Tommy Lee Jones, MIB No, you're not 'tripping', that is an emu ---Hank R. Hill
Re: Did you *really* zeroize that key?
At 03:55 PM 11/7/02 +0100, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: Regardless of whether one uses volatile or a pragma, the basic point remains: cryptographic application writers have to be aware of what a clever compiler can do, so that they know to take countermeasures. Wouldn't a crypto coder be using paranoid-programming skills, like *checking* that the memory is actually zeroed? (Ie, read it back..) I suppose that caching could still deceive you though? I've read about some Olde Time programmers who, given flaky hardware (or maybe software), would do this in non-crypto but very important apps.
Re: Did you *really* zeroize that key?
At 03:55 PM 11/7/02 +0100, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: Regardless of whether one uses volatile or a pragma, the basic point remains: cryptographic application writers have to be aware of what a clever compiler can do, so that they know to take countermeasures. Wouldn't a crypto coder be using paranoid-programming skills, like *checking* that the memory is actually zeroed? (Ie, read it back..) I suppose that caching could still deceive you though? I've read about some Olde Time programmers who, given flaky hardware (or maybe software), would do this in non-crypto but very important apps.
Re: Flag Wars: The Red Cross Attacks Pot
At 07:47 PM 1/27/02 -0500, Matthew Gaylor wrote: The American Red Cross has asked the American Medical Marijuana Association http://www.drugsense.org/amma to stop using the red cross with a marijuana leaf in the background in their insignia. I've been promised the email exchanges between the two organizations. More to come. If you used the canadian maple leaf instead you'd get to piss off a whole national bureaucracy too [ref: a post of yours from a few weeks ago..]
Re: Looking back ten years: Another Cypherpunks failure
At 10:35 AM 1/27/02 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone post, or point to, a review of disk encryption products. OS: MS Win Scramdisk is free, reliable, and source is available. I've used it on a 200 Mhz laptop for some years---and I run my email from the encrypted virtual-partition, so my address book correspondance is encrypted too. [Modulo the fact that I'm using a MS OS..]
Re: Thinking outside the box, deviously
At 08:22 AM 1/25/02 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2002, at 09:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've concluded that you can't answer Tim's riddle without knowing the radius of the drill --but I may put myself open to ridicule for suggesting this. But if you were devious enough, you would realize that can't answer Tim's riddle without knowing the radius of the drill allows for offering the infinitesimal drill bit trick as a valid solution to the problem. In fact, I misremembered the problem as finding the volume of the original sphere, which isn't solvable with the givens ---elegantly proved by the anonymous annular proof that the cored-sphere's volume depends only on the height nicely supports :-) (Since the original spheres' volume depends on drill radius and height, but the volume of the ring depends only on height) Generally in a 'word problem/riddle' you suspect 1. a clever solution not using variables you might think you need (the case here) 2. a 'trick' question that has no solution (with my misremembered question, what I thought I had, when I checked the question later and found no drill size). Additionally one is suspect of extraneous distracting variables. Nice one.
Re: Ecash fraud resolution
At 10:37 AM 1/24/2002 +, Ken Brown wrote: How unusual. All I am left with is the trite insight that in human beings (and I suspect any species with a decent memory in which males play, or can play, a significant part in rearing offspring) assessment of reputation is, if not hard-wired, pretty much universal. And the only way it /can/ work is by assuming that he who can be trusted in small things can be trusted in great. You tend to believe that someone who lies and cheats about little things can't be trusted with big things. So the most successful liar is someone who remains scrupulously honest until the moment comes for lying. (So maybe you should never marry anyone you haven't often played cards with!) Not exactly ground-breaking. Ken Over a decade ago I learned from published work that if a logical problem is posed as cheating (an underage person trying to buy ethanol IIRC) humans are much much better at solving the logical problem than if it is expressed otherwise. Some cog scis think this is evidence of hardwiring for social cheating perception.
Re: cell phone guns
At 08:26 PM 12/29/01 -0600, david wrote: On Saturday 29 December 2001 05:00 pm, Faustine wrote: Hm, whatever works, I guess. Sheer stealth isn't as much a factor for me as is accuracy I don't think the yugo cellphone .22 has been taken to the range by an American gun rag yet... Thunder Ranch (tm) evaluates the 4-shot .22lr cellphone from Milosevic Industries Obviously stealth was *the* major criterion for that design. When George W. was governor Ho ho, a Texan. That being said, a .22 in your pocket beats a .45 you left at home any day. I carry a North American Arms five shot mini revolver in my front pocket. In Calif you can't buy these as of last year, and 'deceptive' packaging (like a wallet gun) is illegal. They boil frogs slowly here. IANAL
Re: cell phone guns
At 02:52 PM 12/30/01 -0500, Matthew Gaylor wrote: At 7:33 AM -0800 12/29/01, David Honig wrote: Mossad prefers suppressed Berretta .22 which doesn't need racking. Actually they're fond of using the single action Beretta model 70s in .22lr. I believe that's what arms designer Gerald Bull was killed with. http://216.117.150.77/beretta/70_us.html. The motivation I understood for the B 22's is that the tip up barrel means you don't have to rack a slide.
Re: Choices of small handguns
At 02:53 PM 12/30/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: (* I've heard some claim that stainless steel is not a good idea, as it glints in the dark. Perhaps, but this seems like a second-order effect for any real use. It is also possible to get it in blackened stainless, as the SIGs are commonly in.) I've heard that (presumably early) stainless was subject to galling, presumably fixed. IANAMetallurgist. As far as specular reflection goes, consider how many wear shiny watches which would be largely in the plane of the slide. dh
Re: cell phone guns
At 07:37 PM 12/30/01 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: This makes little sense. There are a great many .22 pistols which have external hammers or an sufficient safety. Why would you have to rack a slide, other than when you first loaded. With most, if not all, semi-auto handguns, you always carry a round in the chamber anyway, for one, to be ready, for two because it's one more round. Nobody, but nobody, walks around with an empty chamber, whatever the caliber. Ok. I have no personal knowledge. Fentanyl squirts in the ear are subtler unless you're busted.
Re: cell phone guns
At 03:16 PM 12/28/01 -0800, Eric Murray wrote: 22 caliber four-shot pistol hidden inside a cell phone, uncovered during police raids in Europe. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/phone001205.html Cell phone users will have to be made aware that reaching for their phones in some circumstances could be misinterpreted as a threat by authorities FWIW Old news. The yugos were said to have this, a picture was published, over 6 months ago.
brinworld, sexchart
Wired interview with creator of sexchart http://wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,48997,00.html The graph: http://www.attrition.org/hosted/sexchart/sexchart.9.25 Relevence to Brin's _Transparent Society_ etc should be obvious.
Re: Western Culture
At 11:48 AM 12/28/01 -0800, John Young wrote: of northern European hinterlands, Anglo-Saxon defectives still enthralled with ceremonial violence inherent in costume, sports, entertainment, prejudice, pride, and exculpation of ego-driven indifference to harm caused others Wait, are you talking about football (soccer) or religion? I suppose for some there is litle difference.. :-)
Re: Fear and Trembling
At 09:53 PM 12/27/01 -0800, John Young wrote: Targets for centers of these exports are not hard to identify, After the WTC, the only truly theatrically worth it encore I can think of is a stinger at the space shuttle. This would not trepan the serpent but would kick the angst up a notch. Then again, there's always Utah...
Re: Explosive smuggling (@#%$@# deleted)
At 11:49 PM 12/26/01 -, Dr. Evil wrote: effective against drug smuggling. The risk is very real; a woman could carry several pounds of explosives. They are aware of this but there isn't much they can do right now. No one has yet mentioned surgically implanted explosives. You could carry more than a twat's worth. You'd need a mechanical or chemical trigger to avoid electronics-detection. Think: punch yourself 6 cm left of the scar, to push the plunger. A martyr is truly a great delivery mechanism. Was 'Reid' wearing Nikes? What does airport 'security' do about those sneakers that flash upon heelstrike?
Re: Start Ups, Crypto Companies, and Commercialization
At 11:55 AM 12/23/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: Being an old-timer, I like to say: In my day, we had to walk five miles through the snow to get a cup of mud from the vending machine. Actually, in my day at Intel we were lucky to have patty melts for lunch, as most of us ate out of vending machines (burritos, stale sandwiches, cottage cheese) or out of the vending vans (roach coaches) which pulled up outside to feed the engineers and operators. When I was your age we didn't have Tim May! We had to be paranoid on our own! And we were grateful! --Alan Olsen
Re: Pay per use remailers and remailer reliability tracking.
At 09:30 PM 12/20/01 -, Dr. Evil wrote: A token-based remailer system, while an obvious system, would be a major accomplishment. Any kind of privacy-enhanced token/payment/value system would be a major accomplishment at this point. The c'punks have been in biz for almost ten years now, and private payments have always been probably the #1 goal, and we are _further_ from having a private payment system now than we were ten years ago. We've got the math. We don't have the software or the business, though. The reasons for this have been debated over and over. We're at an impasse. Its not possible for the mousetrap builders to generate interest in the better stopping of mice. We don't control the silos of grain nor the investors therein. Do not thrash your soul over this.
Re: MS DRM OS
At 12:38 AM 12/19/01 +, Graham Lally wrote: Ralph Wallis wrote: On Monday, 17 Dec 2001 at 07:58, Michael Motyka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone who knows more than I do explain to me why this MS IP is anything other than making the owner of a PC unable to have root access to their own hardware/OS? If so it seems to be an idea unworthy of protection from lawyers and men with guns. A more correct analogy is with speed limiters on cars. On your own roads. And the car maker tells you where you can go to. And which route you have to take. And where you can end up. And then forces you to pay for a map. And tells you which brand of gasoline you can burn under penalty of law for using others. And treats go-carts as circumvention devices.
Re: Reg - Linotype copyright action on Adobe-format fonts
At 11:47 PM 12/18/01 -0800, Petro wrote: That would be utterly pointless (no pun intended). The value of Postscript is that it *isn't* a set of pixels. No, it wouldn't be pointless. Postscript is not the only way to print. It is the equivalent of using a function that approximates the sine() function to generate a table of trig values. The function's code is copyrighted, but the table of values isn't. And yes, there are still uses for tables of trig values.
Re: CNN.com on Remailers
At 06:56 PM 12/17/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: Yes, I have read the letter - they need to treat input from known remailers differently due to worries over spam and flooding attacks, so they treat other known remailers as priviliged sources of high volume traffic. Can't spam be repelled by not forwarding email not encrypted to the remailer's key? This does not invalidate my point - that such special treatment could lead a remop into legal problems. We have two different problems, with mutually undesirable solutions. If the sending node doesn't know about the destination node, how does it konw where to send the traffic (even if the sender provides the address)? The reality is that the remailers must 'know' of each other one way or another. Simply being part of a 'remailer network' (anonymous or not) tends to already put one in a 'conspiratorial' situation. Isn't it sufficient for a remailer node to publicly broadcast its existance (and the protocols it handles)? This seems to work and there is no cooperation required --just a one-way broadcast. Mere advertising is not evidence of a conspiracy.
Re: Reg - Linotype copyright action on Adobe-format fonts
At 07:35 PM 12/17/01 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: ATM is Adobe Type Manager. Linotype is a big font house. Intellectual Property laws for fonts are normally even stranger than for regular material, but if any of these are in Postscript, they're also programs, so there may be DMCA issues, and there's obviously some contractual relationship with Adobe that lets them copyright implementations. IIRC fonts are not copyrightable in the US, but are elsewhere, yes? Assuming that's correct, then an algorithmic font (eg Postscript) could be turned into an albeit large static set of pixels which wouldn't be copyrightable in the US.
Re: CIA in NYC
At 02:06 PM 12/18/01 -0800, John Young wrote: Couple of things on that. The building, which was only a few years old, is reported to have collapsed due to high heat of oil storage tanks, a small tank on the upper floor to serve NYC Emergency Operations, and an unsually large tank in the basement. The building owner, Larry Silverstein, who leased the WTC towers, says the basement tank was for emergency power. Period. A EM shielded room (think TEMPEST) might look like an overly large metal tank; might even be designed to look like that.
Re: Reg - Linotype copyright action on Adobe-format fonts
At 12:04 PM 12/18/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting article. However, it appears that it's not the fonts themselves that are copyrightable, but rather the code that draws them. From the same article: This is what I remembered (from this list BTW) and why I suggested that the bitmaps that the program generates are not protected in the US.
Re: CNN.com on Remailers
At 02:42 PM 12/18/01 -0800, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote: Can't spam be repelled by not forwarding email not encrypted to the remailer's key? Who is to say that spammers won't use remailer clients that automatically encrypt to the remailers' keys? Yes they could. Using remailer clients should be *easy*. Saying this is too hard for the average spammer to figure out isn't acceptable. The most commonly held point of view that I've perceived on this list is that spammers are too lazy/stupid to do this -or even add a simple string token to a line. That may of course be wrong or in some cases any unexploited weakness is unacceptable. . As far as flood attacks on *any* node goes, you have to throttle at the routers. I think the ping attacks on yahoo of yesteryear showed this. Cheers
Re: AP Al quim
At 09:40 PM 12/13/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: I don't have a problem with commerce per se. Capitalism I do have a problem with, greed good. Is the basic human drive to better one's circumstances bad, Jim?
Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship in Wartime
At 10:39 AM 12/12/01 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: PS: Not all libertarians believe the the public responsibilities of the press are a myth. It's entirely possible to reconcile that phrase with the idea that a newspaper is a for-profit business. I'm afraid the closest I can come is to recognize that a presscorp (or reporter!) has only its reputation to sell; and when bias is exposed that is reduced. But no 'public' anything; a newspaper (like a web server) does not need a 'public' license to use a 'public' resource like the EM spectrum or the cable infrastructure. Just my 2 picas.
Re: AP Al quim
At 12:13 AM 12/11/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: No, I'm not. 'discrimination' requires(!) 'prejudice'. Prejudice is the In Choate prime, perhaps. For the rest of us, measurement (e.g., the redness vs greenness of a fruit) lets us discriminate useful from not.
Re: FreeSWAN unnatural monopolies
At 06:35 AM 12/11/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: Dude, there are HUNDREDS of alternate GUI front-ends (the vast majority are not compatible with X (aka MIT's Athens - there's your clue as to its popularity). Unfortunately they don't get the technical backing to get a significant 'bootstrap' percentage in the market up front. In other words, when X got started back in the 80's there were no other GUI's that were nearly that advanced. So people used it. By the time the market expanded the number of alternative GUI's had a much harder time to get into the market. MIT's project *Athena* developed X because they had an equal mix of DEC and [I forget -IBM?] workstations and so developed a device independent display server. That it was subject to code bloat is regrettable but its use is not mandatory.
Re: Spoiling digital cash
At 09:48 PM 12/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Anonymous wrote: To rip the coin, the passenger gives the taxi driver t = s^e1, along with x. The driver can verify that t^e2 = s^(e1*e2) = s^e1 = x mod n which tells him that it is a real coin. He also sends (t, x) to the bank, which verifies that no such x has been spent before (no double spending) and also stores x as a ripped coin such that only the driver can spend it. Who pays for all this checking? Not only does this require the taxi driver to have a considerable store of computational and algorithmic 'equipment' but he's also got to have a comm channel to the bank. This don't sound cheap to execute at all... Oh, you mean like the $5 charge that Mastercard/Visa charge merchants... this *corroborates* the stuff Hettinga has been saying about it being cheaper to use certain kinds of payment than others.
Re: AP Al quim
At 09:53 AM 12/11/01 +1100, mattd wrote: Tim said its an openly elitist list once. Yes, so is an university. A meritocracy is necessarily discriminatory. Deal with it. AOL has plenty of groups for folks who find this list too abrasive..
Re: AP Al quim
At 11:16 PM 12/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: And no, a meritocracy isn't disriminatory. You get what you put into it, not what somebody else thinks it's worth. Merit is inevitably judged by somebody else. And discriminating on the basis of merit is tautologically discriminatory. D'oh.
Re: AP Al quim
At 11:33 PM 12/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote: Merit is inevitably judged by somebody else. And discriminating on the basis of merit is tautologically discriminatory. Actually 'merit' isn't. Merit is measured in a meritocracy by the efficacy of the solution. That's a TECHNICAL measure, not emotional or social. But who is the judge of the value of various measures? Discrimination is inherently ILLOGICAL (ie emotional), which puts it in direct odds with the concept of 'merit'. No, you're taking the PC distortion of the word. Without discrimination (of food vs. poison, or good vs. bad behavior for instance) you are dead. Keep your immune system up.
Re: RUSSIAN POLICE ARREST GANG TRYING TO SELL URANIUM
At 09:41 PM 12/7/01 -0500, Steven Furlong wrote: Do illegal fissionable distributors do the same as illegal drug distributors and cut the good stuff with (hopefully) inert filler? This wouldn't be easy if the radioactives weren't powdered, e.g., spend rods or pellets. And you'd expect the buyer to have an expert and some intruments, wouldn't you?
Re: IP-FLASH Office XP, Windows XP May Send Sensitive Documents toMicrosoft (fwd)
At 02:04 PM 12/7/01 +0100, Eugene Leitl wrote: Subject: IP-FLASH Office XP, Windows XP May Send Sensitive Documents to Microsoft PROBLEM: Microsoft Office XP and Internet Explorer version 5 and later are configured to request to send debugging information to Microsoft in the event of a program crash. The debugging information includes a memory dump which may contain all or part of the document being viewed or edited. This debug message potentially could contain sensitive, private information. Maybe they got bored in Redmond when Sircam started going down...
codetalkers get some press
Last night the local SoCal TV news had some Navajo codetalkers on the tube, and (today? weekend?) they will be feted at a parade. Supposedly hollywood will be milking their accomplishments in a movie soon. All part of Pearl Harbor (tm) hoo-hah.
Re: : Re: Real capitalism falling down drunk
At 06:17 AM 12/8/01 +1100, mattd wrote: jamesd... Money in the US was largely privately issued until 1915. Capitalism long predates government monopolies of money. The word dollar comes from thaler, which a government stamped ounce of silver -- but stamped by a minor government very far away, one of many such stamping authorities. Very interesting,relevant, not much,but fascinating.Can we talk of e-money replacing the present shared hallucination now? God DAMN but you are obtuse. First people swapped chickens for goats. Then they used more portable forms of exact trade, where the portable forms were still of equal value, but easier to pocket. Eventually this got (partially) symbolic, but was private. With reps and all that. Then the govt discovered they could fund wars (etc) by asserting their paper was good ---after all, they could confiscate by force whatever actual value they needed to back it up. If you don't see the implications for future history, you may find many threads here confusing.
Re: Meta-reputations
At 07:40 AM 12/6/01 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: The main problem is how to do the transfer cleanly, such that the former nym owner can't damage the reputation once sold. Several solutions have been offered, involving doing a key change. Complications arise in terms of making the old key useless, but these can probably be worked out using careful timing, as well as escrow services. And the escrow services can do so anonymously (without lifting the veil behind the nym-rep)? Then this third party would let you sell a rep; but as you say, now a second rep is involved, the trustworthiness-rep of the escrow agency. Then again, that's all escrow agencies *are*, and they exist, even with quill pens and dried lamb skin. Ok, reps can be traded with a little help from your friends. Thanks
Re: Real capitalism falling down drunk
At 08:03 PM 12/6/01 +1100, mattd wrote: Coercion is implicit in all capitalism above low level market and trade Joe the nailmaker invests in a machine to make nails faster than he can by hand. Who has he coerced?
Re: Real capitalism falling down drunk
At 05:35 AM 12/7/01 +1100, mattd wrote: Dave Honig wrote...Joe the nailmaker invests in a machine to make nails faster than he can by hand. Who has he coerced? Who cares? its low level market and trade Well, I care about coercion; and you state that 'capitalism is coercion'. The implicit coercion is the protection racket of the state lurking in the background and attempting to monopolies money. Joe bought his machine in a mutually consenting transaction, no State involvement.
Re: Delta airlines doesn't allow sick person to carry their meds
At 11:31 AM 12/6/01 -0500, Greg Newby wrote: But insisting on carrying smoking materials when smoking is prohibited is also absurd -- it doesn't say if he was keeping it on his person or trying to put it in checked baggage, but it seems unlikely he would have had any problem if it was checked. Just for the record you are still allowed to carry on a plane personal smoking items, eg., a butane lighter. You can't use them of course, on US flights, but there is no prohibition. [A camping tank of butane fuel is a no-no] I don't see how plant matter can be used as a weapon unless the stems are waaay too big :-)
Re: will the real capitalism please stand up
At 01:58 PM 12/6/01 +1100, mattd wrote: Objectivism the real thing? How do you separate fascism from capitalism? Coercion.
Re: Reputation of a Reputation
At 10:17 AM 12/3/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: As soon as people tumble to the fact that Tom Clancy has sold his nym/reputation to some hack writer, that is, let them put his name on their words, then the reputation of Tom Clancy falls. I was coming to that conclusion thanks to the public exchange of certain extremely-high-rep folks here. The conclusion: you can't sell a nym. Nyms are best managed by their initiator. You can sell a nym's recommendation reliably but not a nym. Is this true? A grasshopper,
Re: Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable
At 11:42 AM 12/3/01 -0500, Sunder wrote: Ok, then I propose to surround your property from any vantage point on public land, and setup gigantic speakers from which I would recite very loud speeches in your direction at 3:00am. Why not do some high-power microwave testing in his direction?
Re: Russian Party of Pensioners Manifesto,
At 07:58 AM 12/5/01 +1100, mattd wrote: Non libertarian anarchy? Non-lib anarchy is gang rule. Libs support a minimal govt to protect everyones' rights.
Enigma - sources
From: Rafal Brzeski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Enigma - sources Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:16:16 +0100 As I was asked to provide documentary evidence regarding Polish pre-war codebreaking achievements I would like to inform all List Members that .pdf versions of the original versions of: Marian Rejewski's report of 1940 Marian Rejewski's report of 1967 Marian Rejewski's report of 1969 Marian Rejewski's notes, commentaries to various books etc will be shortly published in the Enigma File a special section of the Spybooks. (www.spybooks.com) Now in the Spybooks Library, you can read (and pick up if you want) a short compendium: ENIGMA: The Key to the Secrets of the Third Reich 1933-45 written in 1984 by Wladyslaw Kozaczuk, an author who first in the world (in 1967) made public the fact that the German Enigma machine cipher had been cracked before the Second World War. Best regards, --- Rafal Brzeski www.spybooks.com
Re: dead reporter found in motel
At 11:16 AM 12/2/01 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: Yeah, it wasn't terrible. But it wasn't up there with the Linux Chainsaw Massacre either. -Declan Is that an updated sequel to the Xenix Chainsaw Massacre? Did you get an advance copy for review :-)
Re: Moving beyond Reputation--the Market View of Reality
At 08:18 AM 12/1/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 Nov 2001, at 22:05, Petro wrote: What makes you think a reputation cannot be bought and sold? Ever hear of Public Relations firms? Politicians? Both are in the business of buying and selling reputations. Not exactly. You can pay a PR firm to try and help improve your reputation, but that's not the same thing a reputation pre-assembled and gift wrapped. Most likely they'll just tell you to wear more earth tones, which won't actually help. George, Petro is *way* off here. A PR firm/psyop division can only try to promote an opinion. They cannot control others' estimations of their clients' reputations. Consider a PR firm that fucks up. A pile of little baby arms, to excerpt Coppola. Yes, a good psyop operation can deny negative information, promote the positive, and thereby influence the population. That is a matter of information flow control; the reps (which are distributed in the minds of subscribers) are not directly controlled. I suggest recognizing the distinction between controlling info and slant (psyops and Dan Rather and Turner and Murdoch, I don't actually follow that stuff) and controlling reps which can't be done directly (but which can be measured). The fact that info slant *can* influence distributed reps is why psyops folks have jobs. Finally the reps which can (or can't) be bought and sold (the subject of an amazingly advanced thread, presently) is distinct from control of info and reps thereof. Petro is unfortunately mixing 'selling-of-nym-reps' with 'PR's effect of reps in a given population'. With all due respect.
Re: fuel injected firearm
At 05:23 PM 11/30/01 +1100, mattd wrote: RE: Metalstorm.As they can be made e-specific to one owner,I think we should all be able to have a liscenced version along with stingers in case rouge airliners get loose in our skies. Southwest has that ugly yellow/red stripe, not really what I'd call rouge. Which airline is has rouge planes? An acquaintance has come up with what he thinks is a novel and practical design for a liquid propellent rocket engine. Although his initial tests were not conclusive he thinks he can build an under 50 lb LOX-Propane rocket which can put 20 lbs or more into LEO. Yeah right.
Re: Rumors of the death of Cypherpunks are greatly exaggerated
At 10:38 PM 11/29/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, David Honig wrote: Um, Jim, despite the slump, there still plenty of free lowbrow sites for Joe Random to start a mailing list for anything, so Tim's financial status is irrelevent. But Joe Random isn't a Cypherpunks Leader... Neither is Tim. He's an author. Not every one with an opinion has the disorder that makes them crave the role of leader. In addition to the intrinsic irony of 'cp leader' ---a concept favored by the legal types who think in terms of the subservient hierarchies that they live in, but largely their *projection*. Dogs can't conceive of a group of cats without an alpha cat. Even the folks at eg. lne.com who spam-filter are not moderating, and even moderated lists are not 'led' but edited.
Re: Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable
Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable Its not censorship if its not the government. A gun show is a private affair; they can exclude any vendor or seller, morally. Legally they fnord can't exclude for certain criteria, eg cutaneous albedo. Cheers
Re: Moving beyond Reputation--the Market View of Reality
At 10:28 AM 11/26/01 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: It seems to me that reputation capital is a term that has limited value when applied to something as subjective as the areas above: having an article published in the editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal (or the Journal of Socialist Doctrine) may lower your reputation capital among some people and raise it among others. This is the nature of subjectivity. Indeed, even when there are objective measures, all parties may not agree because they may not agree on those measures. If Alice Squirrel makes an alarm call and Bob Squirrel sees a threat, but Charlie Squirrel doesn't see it, Bob and Charlie will have different stats for Alice's alarm-call reputation. But rep cap as an idea is surely *stronger* when you keep separate numbers for different qualities -reliable vs. interesting posts, for instance. This is *necessary* since individuals vary greatly within themselves. Politicians with excellent reps on issue A and mediocre reps on issue B, for instance. Perhaps though authors should mention the *attribute* whose reputation is estimated when its not obvious. Similarly authors should state *who* is doing the estimating when its not clear its the author. Reputation capital is more valuable a term when describing traits that are less subjective. When dealing with an online ecash bank, you may want truthfulness and reliability and good customer service (for example), which are less subjective than interesting political opinions. But what counts as good customer service varies by culture and person, much like whether WSJ publication helps or hurts.
Re: Ridiculous Airline Security Story N+1 and N+2...
At 10:08 AM 11/25/01 -0800, Max Inux wrote: MY only question in regards to this topic are these: How many members of this mailing list have been selected for search? How many of these are NOT registered republicans or democrats? You need to know more to answer your doubts. You need to know background rates. FWIW I'm a registered lib and fly out of an airport with a bronze sculpture of John Wayne monthly; I've not felt singled out. While I was selected (both going and returning to Ca) I talked to people at the table, none of them were dems or repubs (I was registered libertarian, one guy was green and another libertarian). Is there algorithm really What are they registered to vote? Certain flights are going to have certain demographics -are you on a biz shuttle w/ dot-commers to SF or a grandma kids flight to Disneyland? What fraction of citizens are registered as Demopublicans anyway? I'm not belittling your questions or claims but I'm pointing out you have to look at how much others are hassled too. I've seen upper crust whitehaired women get hassled more than hirsuit me because I have the fractional clue to remove metal from my person, and don't wear steel-toed boots. Or earrings, chains, rings, belt buckles, etc. From what I gather, their pre-boarding 'random' checks are *quality control* on their regular magnetometer/screening points.
Re: Moving beyond Reputation--the Market View of Reality
At 03:05 PM 11/25/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: For many years some of us have argued strongly for reputation as a core concept. Someone, perhaps even one of our own, even coined the phrase reputation capital. I recently posted how ground squirrels have rep cap. Reputation is an easily understandable concept which explains a lot about how imperfect protocols in the real world nevertheless work. I won't go into what reputation is, even as defined by folks like us. It seemed to be something like hits false alarm (and probably misses and correct rejections) counts for squirrels. The same info is of use to neurons. Various computer learning algorithms too. An efficient use of persistant state, one would expect. 1. The assumption that an agent or actor possesses a reputation. A kind of scalar number attached to a person, a bank, an institution, or even a nym. Two kinds of entities: one maintains reputations, the other doesn't. Guess which is exploited to extinction? ... Again CPunks -or other analysts- are not *advocating* nearly as much as some might like to believe; instead IMHO there is a public discussion going on about essentially inevitable trends we've observed.
Re: In praise of gold
At 07:03 PM 11/19/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Nov 2001, at 17:40, Tim May wrote: On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 05:03 PM, David Honig wrote: Yes, but what this thread has ignored is that gold (and other densely precious things) were valued *in and of themselves* and so using them as money was not symbolic. You traded your goat for a goat's worth of gold; if trust evaporated overnight the gold is still worth something. Not really. It was still a matter of belief that that gold coin, or gold nugget, would be worth something. In and of itself is a very vague and intangible concept. --Tim May I understand your point, you can't eat gold, it won't keep you warm and dry in a storm, it really is mostly only good for you in that other people will also give you stuff for it BUT I think the other side is pretty clear also. Gold isn't like, say, the good will of the king, which becomes wortheless as soon as there's a new king. I suspect that it never ocurred to most people during gold standard days that gold could in principle become wothless (although alchemists understood perfectly well that being able to turn lead into gold is only the key to riches if you alone posess the secret). Anyway, there are very good reasons why gold is better than anything else as a basis of currency. BTW, I wasn't arguing it is better nowadays; I'd think the kilowatt-hour (aka joules) would be more useful today. I was thinking about how the use of inert metals (etc) arose historically. At first the 'trust' was minimal and it was a 1:1 trade for the more portable gold. 2) Gold does not rust or decay. Again, very important if you have to keep reserves. Also why it was available to cavemen, and why it was shiny, which was attractive. 3) Gold is uniform. Diamonds are all different, oil comes in a plethora of types and grades. Tobacco was used as money in the early days of the american colonies, with the (easily predictable) result that people smokes the good stuff and used the crappiest stuff they could find to pay their debts. Nothing could be purer than pure gold. Isotopically pure gold :-) Watts are 'uniform'; so is an N% solution of ethanol (if you want to put your joules in your car, etc.) 4) Gold is elemental. It's much more plausible that somebody will come up with an economic way to synthesize, say, diamonds than gold. 5) Gold makes women sleep with you. I don't know why they like it, but they do. They sleep with you because of your large cattle herd only they have accepted abstracted value and settle for gold or stocks...
Re: The Crypto Winter
At 09:19 PM 11/19/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
C-A-C-L's would let people die from thirst before interfering in a 'free
market'. Others would say screw the market and give that man a drink.
No, a libertarian would say screw anyone who'd initiate force
against me to make me to do this and then make his own decision.
2. redundant ('capitalist' and libertarian)
Not congruent.
Capitalism is a natural result of free people.
3. nonsensical --cryptography is a neutral technology with debatable
social consequences
Technology is 'neutral' only within in a 'pure' context. The instant
'psychology' gets injected, as in 'how do I use this?', all bets are off.
Technologies have consequences. The failure of most is in not realizing
the only hope is to discover and distribute as fast as possible. Anything
else leads to failure of the system.
So Jim suppose we just invented metals. You go debate its
social consequences, I've got some forging to do.
4. one poster's label; and anyone can post here
More an observation of shared motive of a particular segment of the other
posts (who self-apply these labels mind you).
More an explanation of signal to noise ratio for future historians.
Re: The Crypto Winter
At 01:27 AM 11/20/01 +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's amazing how many people assert this, even though it's clearly wrong. A gold standard does NOT mean that the amount of currency in circulation equals the amount of gold in the vaults, it means that the currency is exchangeable for gold at a fixed rate. Obviously, there can be more gold in the vaults than you need to actually exchange every dollar for the correct amount of gold. Less obviously, there can be less. Of course, the system also exposes the currency to fluctuations in world wide supply of gold. It's not sane policy to tie one's unit of currency to any particular good -- think about what it would mean if the chosen good was unrefined oil, a particular crop or electrical power. One'll get the picture fairly soon. Yes, but what this thread has ignored is that gold (and other densely precious things) were valued *in and of themselves* and so using them as money was not symbolic. You traded your goat for a goat's worth of gold; if trust evaporated overnight the gold is still worth something. Similarly with barrels of oil. If you discover a lot of it under your topsoil, you get wealth because the substance itself has utility. It's not really sane to opt for a tie-in to the supply of a particular currency, either -- that's actually even worse, since the people printing the bills can cause fluctuations in the exchange rate even easier than they could if they were just digging up precious metals up from the crust. Hence, private, floating currency, which, again, is old news on the list. Clearly stated.
RE: Monkeywrenching airport security
At 11:51 AM 11/18/01 +0100, Eugene Leitl wrote: gardeners have gotten hassled and delayed because of trace amounts of ammonia-based fertilizers on their person and effects. If you plan to fly, Salts are different from traces of uncombusted nitrocellulose deposited on any surface of a nearby gun being fired. KNO3 is of interest to airport security eg in gunpowder. Similar salts are in fertilizer. Ergo the caution. Also, some of us have had a black powder addiction at one time. Nitroglycerin is not volatile, is present in large dilution (~0.1%) in small quanitities (pharma bottle). Ditto nitrate salts in a water solution. If you just took an angina pill I imagine the mechanical noses can detect it on your hands or things you touch immediately afterwards. I think you should be able to get a good positive if you'd fire several rounds of vanilla smokeless with baggage surface being near the muzzle of the gun. Or blackpowder (or noncorrosive powder substitutes).. or wore that clothing when setting off firecrackers... Try it sometime, if you're unafraid of winding up in a database. :-) I've found that transporting computer parts (motherboard) in hand luggage can suffice to trigger swabbing (if you're really bored you can discuss detection of Semtex traces with airport security). Not out of San Jose Intl... but discussing Semtex (tm) could get you federal charges in the states... Actually I have seen someone set off the sniffer, the local airline rep came over, they chatted briefly, the person was on their way, maybe 30 extra seconds taken. San Jose again. Of course, best solution is using human factors to not have your stuff being screened at all. Love work, hate domination, and do not let your name come to the attention of the ruling powers. -Talmud/Sayings of the Fathers
RE: Monkeywrenching airport security
At 10:57 AM 11/17/01 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote: Airport chemical sniffers apparently look for the signature of nitrogen compounds, not explosives, per se. I've often wondered how many weekend gardeners have gotten hassled and delayed because of trace amounts of ammonia-based fertilizers on their person and effects. If you plan to fly, be sure to wash your hands thoroughly before heading out for the airport if you have been shoot, gardening or house cleaning. I've wondered about that too; airport sniffers must have encountered Miracle Gro and angina nitro during the early days, measuring a false alarm rate. Shooting is scary; you could contaminate your car driving back from the range, then contaminate your travel gear. The explosives expert in one of the older terror trial docs on cryptome says things suggesting that a few washes will remove traces. (And contaminate clothes washed with them.) I once checked out the screen on a sniffer, and they list nitrates as a category. I suppose having PETN (another category) detected on your laptop would be harder to explain :-)
Re: Rigorous and objective (if at first...)
At 10:51 AM 11/17/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: One of my long-term programming heroes is Dan Ingalls, the guy who invented BitBlt (for windowing systems) and did most of the actual development of Smalltalk. He's still in the thick of things and is contributing mightily. Walker of Autodesk/CERN (?) is grey and active AFAIK.
Re: The Crypto Winter
At 03:15 PM 11/17/01 -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
on Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 01:36:32PM -0800, alphabeta121
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
what does C-A-C-L stand for?
Crypto-Anarcho Capitalist Libertarian, per archives. Shorthand for a
common, if not prevailing, political viewpoint among active listmembers.
That label is
1. inconsistent (libertarian anarchy)
2. redundant ('capitalist' and libertarian)
3. nonsensical --cryptography is a neutral technology with debatable
social consequences
4. one poster's label; and anyone can post here
Your milage may vary.
Re: Enemy at the Door
At 11:45 PM 11/7/01 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Go tell that to the Seattle/Portland/wherever wireless people. Or the people in rural MN who are putting them up on silos and running a 10 mile radius. Totally depends on your topography. And even with p-p they aren't doing parabolics, more like yagi directionals, which could be just another TV antenna, cut to the harmonic. Gee, maybe they'll start raiding home with TV antennas. The pages about 'pringle's chip canister yagis' show a piece of plumbing PVC enclosing the final package, a tube about the size of an arm. It doesn't look like a TV antenna, more like the microwave uplinks (Funny that.) from mobile tv vans, though those are usually helical. So the Ghz yagi is readily hidden. The 802.11 hacks claim a good 15 db with a homemade yagi. I think the RF deal is that you can't scale a yagi as far as you can a dish -past some number of segments the yagi doesn't give you more, but a dish keeps on giving (Areceibo for instance...) if you have the space for it and can take the wind.
Re: Slashdot | Operation Acoustic Kitty
At 11:12 PM 11/7/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: I want whatever these guys are smoking... http://slashdot.org/articles/01/11/07/2258212.shtml Maybe the FBI will open a vetinerary clinic... in Scarfo's neighborhood. Maybe the FBI's undercover Housecleaning business staff will carry a bottle of ketamine and a scalpel.. Can you bug an Aibo?
Reese's Test for the Discrimination of Pigs From Cops (Re: Maine National Guard bars Green Party leader from flying
At 08:24 AM 11/4/01 -1000, Reese wrote: Would you say greeting every police officer you meet by calling them useless pigs would be begging for victimhood? No, it would be testing the professionalism of the cop/pig in question. Any cop who reacts to being called useless pig is, in fact, one. And should be removed from positions of authority. Problem with Nat'l Guardsthugs (or any MIL) is they don't have the training of a cop. [Professional] Cops know force gradations, psyops, constitutional law and case history. Professional soldiers know shout, shoot. Civil ops, civility, is not their domain.
Re: Slashdot | Holographic Sonar Cryptography
At 07:24 AM 10/24/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: Holographic Sonar Cryptography Its no more 'cryptography' than the plans to use small number of quanta to communicate 'securely' between satellites, or using pressurized conduits for your cables. As 'secure' or 'untappable' fnord communications it is moderately relevent though.
Re: Neverending Cycle ( was : Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds )
At 12:23 PM 10/24/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: Our society has, for all practical purposes, endless vulnerabilities. If as each vulnerability is exploited we plan on taking drastic steps to secure it from future exploitation, the costs will be staggering and the list of unsecured items will hardly diminish. The result of the current approach is an authoritarian society with a neverending, self-justifying security project ahead of it. Sounds like a wonderful place to live if you're an insect. So we get either the Caves of Steel or the Naked Sun? I'd go for the former, being a city boy, but I guess T. May, H. Seaver D. Honig might prefer the hyper-exurbia of the latter. One step from the Machine Stops - set not in the ultimate city but in the ultimate suburb. Personally I'd prefer a non-colonial foreign policy that doesn't generate such antipathy. The message of the WTC is this: regular ole' non-mil sheeple *are* held responsible for the actions of their government. *Even* in the US. What a concept. I suppose the sheeple in Dresden (etc.) know what that's like. When the US populations' endocrines settle down, maybe they'll clue in to cause and effect. Doubt it. Getting involved in others' family feuds is just too much fun. What was it General Washington said about foreign entanglements? I'd tattoo it onto every congressvermin's forehead.
Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds
At 09:31 AM 10/23/01 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: Unexposed photographic film could have a real problem with this, depending on quite what they're using. Enough rads to sterilize? Forget film. Interesting consequences for the evolution of radiation-resistant strains, of course. Except in kansas where evolution isn't allowed.
Sheeple earning sheeps' disease (Re: Neverending Cycle ( was : Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds ))
At 10:11 AM 10/24/01 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Honig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Personally I'd prefer a non-colonial foreign policy that doesn't generate such antipathy. The message of the WTC is this: regular ole' non-mil sheeple *are* held responsible for the actions of their government. *Even* in the US. What a concept. I suppose the sheeple in Dresden (etc.) know what that's like. When the US populations' endocrines settle down, maybe they'll clue in to cause and effect. Doubt it. Getting involved in others' family feuds is just too much fun. What was it General Washington said about foreign entanglements? I'd tattoo it onto every congressvermin's forehead. Not that it isn't a good direction to head but I wonder what your time-scale is for the conversion of a society that cannot survive without an influx of inexpensive resources from foreign sources into something less colonial? It has to be decades at a minimum. Tomorrow. No USG money, no USG troops outside the US. In the meantime how do we deal with the Islamic Fundamentalist nutters? We have an immediate obligation to fight back. If we can find something to hit. This is not an exception to the above withdrawl --this is striking back, to maintain our reputation, only. But we can certainly let the foreign tyrants whom we currently defend, at our peril (and frankly disgrace), fend for themselves. Let *their* oppressed earn *their* freedom. Let US citizens go over and fight if they want to, as private citizens, as many did during e.g., the spanish civil war. But as a government do not engage in foreign entanglements. Because karma happens. Behavior has consequences. Otherwise, sheeple will continue to earn sheeps' disease --anthrax, etc. As you say, the US is far too vulnerable, and will shut down ---which is one of the Jihad's goals. Part of 'getting our attention'. Or our own Christian Fundamentalist nutters for that matter. I don't want to hear about good and evil, Christian vs. Muslim, True faiths vs. ersatz faiths or right vs. wrong. But you *will* when the interventionists gripe about how oppressed the poor inhabitants are, and shouldn't we intervene?. Of course the interventionists want to spend *your* money and your offspring pursuing *their* grand plans. Which look much like colonialism and culture war from the other side. The crew that did the WTC is dangerous. Those who are sending anthrax through the mails are dangerous. No argument there. Near-term solutions are called for. I would like to see solutions that don't involve further trashing of our civil rights but I have no compassion for the terrorists or freedom fighters or whatever the hell you want to call them. Mike I'm waiting for some asian caucus to declare that, given the circumstances, all arabs should be sent to Nevada. . If you look up Schelling points you find Tim's http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.1996.07.25-1996.07.31/msg00032.html metaphor about interfering with another family because you disapprove of how they raise their children. Basically the Soviet Union died and left US boss of the neighborhood. But the US, playing self-appointed cop, has made lots of enemies; and even cops must sleep. The sleeping giant finds that someone has tried to burn his house down while he sleeps. The giant needs to hit back, then stop accumulating enemies. Free trade does not make enemies. Government intervention does. Funny how consensual acts are ok and nonconsensual ones not. ... Mind you, I believe in right and wrong -hell, I quote Rand- and I'd be happy forcing all the tyrant-governments (from the French, English, Mexican, etc. to the Saudis) to accept the US constitution, *all of it*, or else. But that's questionable and going to create enemies. If someone did that to you, you might take up arms too (or planes, or spores, given the asymmetry). Best to stay out of their family feuds (Yugoslavia, Palestine, Ireland, Spain, africa, etc.) and don't force them to do it our way or else --even though our way is the right way. Lead by example. Not intervention. ... To those who gripe we need the oil (or other resources): ask the families of the WTC corpses if doubled gas prices (for a few years until a safer supply rises) are worth it.
Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds
At 10:32 AM 10/24/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 10:14 AM, Sampo Syreeni wrote: On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, David Honig wrote: Enough rads to sterilize? Forget film. What do you suppose happens to disks and other magnetic media at these flux levels? Nothing. Magnetic oxides and metallic thin films are not affected by mere few tens of kilorads, or even by megarads. Ionizing radiation has no particular first order effect on such films. Um, Tim, I was talking about silver-halogen photographic 'films'. You do raise the question of what happens to 100-atom thick gate oxides... but that's not what *I* was writing about. Radiation can also change the color of gems --used to 'cheat' and make them more valuable--- but probably not a lot of diamonds go through the USPO, and I don't know what dosage is necessary to introduce the appropriate defect density.
Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds
At 09:31 AM 10/23/01 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: At 04:23 AM 10/23/2001 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: Irradiation equipment is being considered for mail processing, heard Yep, nothing like placing canisters of radiological materials everywhere. Mmmm, smell that? Cobalt 60. Smells like... victory. If plastique can be stolen from military bases...
Re: Clubbing in Fortress Amerika (fwd)
At 08:00 PM 10/22/01 -, Dr. Evil wrote: It's often the fucking Jews--Feinstein, Feingold, Lieberman, Ellison--who slavishly imitate the Nazis. How ironic to see Larry Ellison pushing the Papers, please, macht schnell! Orwellian nightmare. That is a good observation, and something which I'll never understand. How can they want to recreate the conditions that lead to their families being killed just a couple of generations ago? How could a Jew possibly support gun control? Trust the State more than the People. People who are willing to rely on the government to keep them safe are pretty much standing on Darwin's mat, pounding on the door, screaming, Take me, take me!--Cael in A.S.R. Love work, hate domination, and do not let your name come to the attention of the ruling powers. -Talmud/Sayings of the Fathers Never lose your life preserver -JPFO.ORG
Re: Retribution not enough
At 01:25 PM 10/22/01 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: Of course you're ignoring the fact that sometimes the reason that they are starving on their own retched little plots of land. is because of NAFTA and huge multinational corporations importing so much US factory farmed corn and other ag products into that country that they can't compete. Obviously if their corn is too expensive, they need to grow something else. Or find some other edge --you know, buy our organic CPUs handcrafted by vegetarian Santa Clara monks using Daisy CAD. You have no right to make a living growing/making something you can't sell. Paraphrasing Thoreau: Man said I exist. The universe said, So? Of course, if you closed their market to others, you'd just raise the price for the corn-eaters. We've been thru this discussion before. Indeed. All else being equal, there is no logical reason in the world why they should be starving on their own retched little plots of land. Overpopulation. Malthus. [Don't even start, Choate] Starving is the natural state. (All this assumes no immoral coercion by native governments or others.) Humans are the only species who don't let their learning interfere with their behavior --GS Actually, to me, anyway, Capitalism is a Marxist word meaning economics. -RAH
Re: Retribution not enough
At 11:09 PM 10/22/01 +0300, Sampo Syreeni wrote: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote: Sure, unions are good is not at all obvious to me. Why do you claim this? When they're not given special privileges, they are a useful tool for market awareness and employee side organization. Sure. But unions work to make membership *compulsory*. They have other legal privledges. UC grad students (TAs) are Teamsters, members of AFL-CIO. Seriously. Obligatorily. No choice.
Re: Disney's SSSCA psy-ops: EZ Jackster
In the next episode, Osama bin Laden makes a cameo, on Jackster's side of course. At 04:31 PM 10/22/01 -0700, Xeni Jardin wrote: Forwarding a post from the pho digital music list (end of this message). A Newsforge item that also appeared about this today reads: --Disney Channel cartoon portrays music downloads as evil The Disney Channel cartoon series The Proud Family (http://disney.go.com/disneychannel/zoogdisney/shows/proudfamily/index_main .html ) aired an episode on Oct. 5 entitled EZ Jackster. In the storyline, EZ Jackster is a Napster-like site, and the show's little heroines get addicted to the service and play a part in the downfall of the music industry. Disney is one of the backers of the SSSCA proposed legislation that is scheduled for a hearing before Congress Oct. 25. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/10/22/1636242mode=thread The TV summary site, TV Tome, shows this synopsis of the episode in question: After Penny spends $125 on CDs with her five-cent salary, she meets a boy, Mega, who tells her about a napster-like website he made called EZ Jackster. All weekend she was sitting at the computer, downloading music from EZ Jackster. Finally, Dijonay comes over and asks what she was doing over the weekend. Penny asks Dijonay if she can keep a secret, knowing that she can't. Penny tells Dijonay to tell everyone she knows about EZ Jackster. Her telling everybody about EZ Jackster has a ripple-effect all around the world. From India to Africa to Suga Mama! But rap singer, Sir Paid-A-Lot is threatened by this because he got a five-cents salary instead of his million-dollar salary. But suddenly, after wrestling, the news interrupted the next program telling about EZ Jackster. It shows a house of where the EZ Jackster-spreader lives. Oscar comments how ugly the house is, not realizing it was their house. Trudy is mad at Penny for stealing music so she takes away her computer. Later, Penny gets a call from Mega, asking if she is still using EZ Jackster. Will Penny listen to her parents?-- [BEGIN PHO POST] -Original Message- From: PHO Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:06 AM Subject: pho: Tonight on Disney Well Pho Pholks Lara Lavi here from Very Juicy Records I relay this without passing judgement just sharing with you what I just saw this evening. I turn on the TV with my little 2.5 year old to watch some Disney show about an African American teen girl (The Proud Family - animated show) and here is the story line ( I think I missed the first couple scenes but here is the general jist. 1.Girl working at her antiquated computer her dad gave her in her room. 2.Mystery guy (cool hip hop looking dude in black) shows up at her window and supplies her with an up to date computer, takes her into the Matrix and shows her a web area called Free Jackster where she can get all the music she could ever want FOR FREE, 3.The girl asks if this is illegal and mystery guy explains it is our birthright to have free music, creativity should not have a price 4. Girl gets addicted to collecting free music, her obsession leads to telling all her friends. soon the site is getting millions of hits from kids to grandmothers. 5. Next scene at the The Wizard Record Label board room where Sir Paid Alot enters to complain his royalty check was only five cents. This alerts The Wizard (head of the label) that there is a retail problem he needs to look into. 6.Teen Girl's house is surrounded that night by police and press and she is arrested for illegal downloads, gets a warning,. The news makes it clear that millions of people can;'t be stopped, Parents take computer away from girl and explain why free downloads is STEALING. - kind of an abirdged explanation of how copyrights work. 6. Next scene, Asian Guy's retail record store is empty, guy is crying on the floor. Teen Girl who happens to work at the store show up to work, aisian guy fires her for supporting all the free downloads 7. Next scene charts showing record sales are down down down to nothing because people get the music for free 8. Mystery guy shows up at teen girls' window again to try and convince her to go back to downloading but she says NO 7. Guy: You still downloading?, Teen Girl: DOwnloading is stealin Mr. Guy from Free Jackster: I know you are afraid I am trying to show you a world without rules Teen girl says no its wrong GOODBYE THE END [END PHO POST]
Re: Additional Anthrax Deaths Suspected
At 06:10 PM 10/22/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:52:52PM -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: The vaccine has not been proven safe and effective, nor released for use in the general population. The military has to take it because they are ordered to. And sometimes not even then. What happens if you're knocked up (in the American sense) and get vaccinated? Some vaccines are very contraindicated in that condition. How about the immunocompromised, elderly, young? The .mil pop is very different from the general one. As for liability/paranoia issues, just look at the autistism folks who blame some vaccine instead of genes (because autism becomes noticable around the time of that vaccine, and the genetic evidence is only recently being discovered). Maybe that's not so important since you can't sue your gov't.
Re: Retribution not enough
At 06:28 PM 10/22/01 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: Better yet: energy can't be replicated. True, but: Get yourself a breeder reactor, and you can sell the fuel you make as you sell the power you make.
Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent
At 10:33 PM 10/22/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:13:51PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that in todays hyper-patriotic environment, this is would be not only an accepted practice, but even a _preferred_ one by many Amerikans :-( Yep. It's going to be a hard political sell to insist that yes, this indicted hijacker who was caught trying to bring down another plane and was captured with detailed plans of a planned nuclear bomb attack in the next three hours shouldn't be, um, strongly encouraged to turn over the passphrase to nuke-location-gps-coordinates.txt.gpg Two random late night thoughts: 1. Since death in combat is far more heroic [1] to these folks than it is to Americans, the torturers will have to be careful. Three hours is not much time to break a person, and cruder torture methods are fatal. 2. Cyanide pills were standard issue for folks dropped behind enemy lines in WWII (see _Between Silk Cyanide_). [1] Though one wonders whether psyops -mutilation of corpse and cliched pig games- would help. One last random thought: since moslems don't drink, they may not handle their pentothal too well. [Na Pentothol is a fast acting barbituate; barbies act very similarly to ethanol.] However, those methods aren't too reliable and again that 3 hours would be a real problem...
RE: Disney's SSSCA psy-ops: EZ Jackster
At 10:01 PM 10/22/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No no no... That's the US Army's thing: The Army: looking for a few good spores. They changed that; now its A Spore of One
Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)
At 10:24 PM 10/22/01 -0500, Neil Johnson wrote: My father in-law makes some extra dough by converting modern power tools (Delta table saws, belt sanders, and lathes) to run of a central drive shaft so the Amish in our area can build furniture. Evidently it's kosher to use a centrally located diesel engine (with a battery to start it even!) He can get a side job pressing elevator buttons on Saturday, when its not kosher to do so. In tech kosher places (e.g., Cedar-Sinai MC) the elevators stop on every floor on Saturday. I don't make this stuff up. Several Amish farms put telephones in their barns for emergency purposes (or drive to nearby store to use a phone booth to call relatives, etc.). So much for being independent. Do they avail themselves of modern medicine when they exceed what they can do with 19th century methods? [serious question]
Re: VAABC - Fake IDs
At 10:17 PM 10/20/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: http://www.abc.state.va.us/Education/fakeid/fakeid.htm -- Offense of moral turpitude or a conviction of possessing, manufacturing, using or selling fake IDs will appear on your permanent criminal record. Sounds like something you'd tell children. Moral Turpitude ---see Welcome to the United States by Frank Zappa on the Yellow Shark album. Do any of the following apply to you?
Re: And another one bites the dust, another one down, another one down
At 02:56 PM 10/21/01 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: The media hype also tends to ignore the fact that anthrax is, in the forms detected to date, largely treatable. Gross attempts at containment (expensive) are less advisable than identification and treatment of exposed individuals (less expensive). Once the person has enough symptoms to seek treatment, I think they're toast. We'll see. Maybe all USPO workers will be given 60 days of Cipro. If they're the only ones to survive, the species is fucked.
Re: Clubbing in Fortress Amerika (fwd)
on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 12:56:02PM -0700, Giovanna Imbesi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Last night my friend and I stopped at a Venice club/bar. At the door they were doing the normal ID check, but then took my driver's license and swiped it into a little Palm-like device...and all the info popped up on the screen. Venice Italy or Calif (etc.)? Never mind -I saw the 310, so I'll ignore your Italian name. Amerika. You mean the magstripe on your license still carries information? Give that man a magnet. Do different states use different formats for the data on the magstrip? Is this even legal? You chose to give them your bits. They could ask for a thumbprint too, or AIDS test result, or DNA sample. Big deal. If you don't want to play their game, go away. Having signed no contract to keep that info private or unexploited, expect some junk mail. Having a copy of someone's info is not fraudulent behavior. There's lots of clubs that don't probe your orifices so much. Aren't they authorized to check date-of-birth but no more? They aren't authorized to do anything. They have to make sure they don't sell ethanol to those the govt deems unfit or the govt shuts them down with force. How they verify this is up to them, as is the risk.
Re: Retribution not enough
At 01:17 PM 10/20/01 -0700, Steve Schear wrote:
At 01:42 PM 10/20/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 05:35:53PM -0700, Steve Schear wrote:
The direction of all recent administrations has been to expand
globalization (i.e., interdependency) thus increasing economic risks and
narrowing diplomatic choices. In the short term, and we have no idea
what
When I speak of globalization, I mean removing barriers imposed by
government
to voluntary exchanges between consenting people. Sounds good to me.
Unfortunately, many citizens in the developing world are not party to these
voluntary exchanges, but are directly affected.
So? Everyone *everywhere* is 'affected' by everyone elses' decisions.
Everything
you consume or make affects the global supply:demand and therefore price.
In the short term economic inequalities and human rights abuses may be
exacerbated (e.g., the fate of rural mainland Chinese). The long-term
effects of globalization are as yet unknown.
The effects of unfree localized trade are well known: regular folks
see higher prices. Even if trade is global but unfree, they see
artificial tariffs. To say nothing of the peasant who can't *choose*
a better job in a factory because of unfree trade.
You seem to think of liberal global trade as a zero-sum game. This is
an elementary error. Instead, liberal global trade is what economists
would call an expanding pie where additional wealth is created.
Additionally, free trade leads to (purely voluntary, emergent) optimization.
(If I can make X or Y, but you can make X but not Y cheaper, I'll make Y
and you make X.)
No one forces a farmer to the city to look for an industrial job.
No one forces industrial folks to seek service jobs. Its economics
and psychology.
Agreed, but wealth is only one measure of human happiness and the jury is
still out on whether the vast majority of those indirectly affected by
globalization will find it has been in their best interests.
Guess what: in a free society, no one is in charge of optimizing happiness.
Well, each individual is responsible for their own. Since others can't
tell what makes each individual happy, this is again optimal.
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In a centrally-ruled (statist) society some elites decide what *should*
make *others* happy. And forces everyone to pay for it.
Not only doomed in reality, but immoral.
\end{}
Re: http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/10/20/anthrax/
At 01:44 PM 10/20/01 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: At 12:20 AM 10/20/2001 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Northwest Airlines has banned sugar substitutes and non-dairy creamers from its airplanes to avoid anthrax scares sparked by the white, powdery substances. ROTFLOL! Does that mean they're switching over to actual milk or cream for coffee? At least there's some good coming out of this :-) Just half-and-half, not cream. Anything over 50% cream is now an assault dairy product.
Re: http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/10/20/anthrax/
At 12:20 AM 10/20/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Northwest Airlines has banned sugar substitutes and non-dairy creamers from its airplanes to avoid anthrax scares sparked by the white, powdery substances. ROTFLOL! Yes but you can still bring your own onboard, though its not recommended by the airline. Hysterical in both senses.
Re: Threat Recognition Testing (fwd)
At 10:18 AM 10/5/01 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interesting and worth more reading. I would guess that even if it moves beyond the lab it will be treated like the polygraph. I wouldn't be surprised though if it is possible to train one's brain to move from state to state at will. Defocus your vision and visualize your training. Maybe not; the arousal mechanisms they're measuring may be too automatic, not subject to conscious control. Then again, there are yogis who can run their intestinal peristalsis backwards supposedly, and methods to subvert the visceral reactions that polygraphs measure. Its well known that pupils dilate in response to thing you like and contract when thinking or seeing something you don't. You can try this in a mirror.
Re: Photographing Dams
At 09:04 PM 10/2/01 -0400, The Amphibian Anti Defamation League wrote: (That's a base canard on frogs, by the way. A few years back some scientist boiled a frog slowly. The frog hopped out of the water as soon as it got uncomfortably warm.) Yes but its so useful its worth keeping around ---like the myth(?) that railroad tracks have historical 'back compatability' with roman chariots.
Mad Elk disease reference up (Re: Emergency Diseases)
At 10:38 AM 9/27/01 -0700, John Young wrote: The Department of Agriculture today issued an emergency announcement about the spread of chronic wasting disease (CWD) among cattle and deer in the American West: http://cryptome.org/doa092701.txt The disease can be fatal to humans. I responded to this with notes about CWD from memory. I've since found the article I was thinking of, and put it here for your enjoyment. From _Science_ 1 Jun 01. http://geocities.com/elkprion/
cats good for allergy -followup references
In a thread Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking... I claimed (from memory) that cats can decrease allergies. I was unable to find the _Science_ ref but I found a few refs to the original research reported in The Lancet 357:752-56 (2001). Reproduced below. I don't make this stuff up. http://www.niaid.nih.gov/newsroom/focuson/asthma01/research.htm#cats Contrary to popular belief, high levels of cat allergen in the home can sometimes decrease the risk of a child developing asthma, says grantee Thomas A. Platts-Mills, M.D., Ph.D., of the University of Virginia. Apparently, the presence of a cat can alter the immune system in a manner similar to allergy shots, he reports. For other allergens that trigger asthma, such as the dust mite and cockroach, the higher the exposure level, the more likely it is that a child will produce allergic antibodies, called immunoglobulin-E or Ig-E antibodies, against them. This high exposure increases the child's risk of becoming allergic and developing asthma. But with cats, high exposure actually can confer protection -- at least in some children, Dr. Platts-Mills says. He and colleagues measured the levels of allergic antibodies to cat allergen in 226 children, aged 12 to 14 years, and tested the children for asthma. They also measured the amount of cat allergen in the children's homes and discovered that low-to-moderate amounts of cat allergen seemed to trigger allergy, but high amounts -- greater than 20 micrograms per gram of house dust -- reduced both IgE antibodies and the likelihood of asthma. This result alters the advice we give patients, says Dr. Platts-Mills. I would not recommend that all parents get rid of their cat because they are concerned their child might develop asthma. High exposure to cat allergen appears to be protective for some children and a risk factor for others. If the child is wheezing and has a positive skin test to cat allergen, then you should get rid of your cat. The high levels of cat allergen prompted the children's immune systems to make mostly a particular subtype of immunoglobulin G (IgG), called IgG4 antibody, rather than IgE, Dr. Platts-Mills explains. Allergy shots are believed to produce a similar effect. This research sheds more light on the relationship between allergen exposure and asthma, he says. When we further understand this process, it might lead to new treatments for asthma. Reference: T Platts-Mills et al. Sensitisation, asthma, and a modified Th2 response in children exposed to cat allergen: a populations-based cross-sectional study. The Lancet 357:752-56 (2001). Sensitisation, asthma, and a modified Th2 response in children exposed to cat allergen: a population-based cross-sectional study. Platts-Mills T, Vaughan J, Squillace S, Woodfolk J, Sporik R. University of Virginia Asthma and Allergic Diseases Center, University of Virginia Department of Medicine, Charlottesville, USA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] BACKGROUND: Although asthma is strongly associated with immediate hypersensitivity to indoor allergens, several studies have suggested that a cat in the house can decrease the risk of asthma. We investigated the immune response to cat and mite allergens, and asthma among children with a wide range of allergen exposure. METHODS: We did a population-based cross-sectional study of children (aged 12-14 years), some of whom had symptoms of asthma and bronchial hyper-reactivity. Antibodies to mite (Der f 1) and cat (Fel d 1) allergens measured by isotype (IgG and IgG4) specific radioimmunoprecipitation assays were compared with sensitisation and allergen concentrations in house dust. FINDINGS: 226 children were recruited, 47 of whom had symptoms of asthma and bronchial hyper-reactivity. Increasing exposure to mite was associated with increased prevalence of sensitisation and IgG antibody to Der f 1. By contrast, the highest exposure to cat was associated with decreased sensitisation, but a higher prevalence of IgG antibody to Fel d 1. Thus, among children with high exposure, the odds of sensitisation to mite rather than cat was 4.0 (99% CI 1.49-10.00). Furthermore, 31 of 76 children with 23 microg Fel d 1 at home, who were not sensitised to cat allergen had 125 units of IgG antibody to
Re: A modest proposal
At 09:52 AM 10/2/01 -0400, Lyle Seaman wrote: Since we know that these terrorists use steganography, they could be sending messages hidden in the contents of the letters, classifieds, or even the editorial page. Therefore, the solution is clear. All printed matter must be reviewed by a team of crack government cryptographers prior to publishing. These cryptographers will be able to ensure that no hidden content, or subtext, is present in any of the Observer's editorial content. Its worse than that. Since a OTP can be used with stego, every picture out there can be shown to communicate future terrorist plans. Govt steganographers are working on that. Meanwhile, all original images must be submitted to the Office of Homeland Defense for LSB dithering. We have always been at war with Oceania bin Laden.
Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy
At 02:00 PM 10/2/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: And if you can put up a bloody huge enough launcher on the moon, (use solar energy or nuclear - why not - it is one place in the system that we don't care about pollution) then you can send material back all the way to LEO by slingshot, and when it is captured by the facility at LEO, And Lloyds pays out when you miss the catch? (Then again, NASA played plutonium slingshot without coverage... )
Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy
At 08:12 AM 10/2/01 -0700, Matt Beland wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 02 October 2001 07:43 am, David Honig wrote: At 02:00 PM 10/2/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: And if you can put up a bloody huge enough launcher on the moon, (use solar energy or nuclear - why not - it is one place in the system that we don't care about pollution) then you can send material back all the way to LEO by slingshot, and when it is captured by the facility at LEO, And Lloyds pays out when you miss the catch? (Then again, NASA played plutonium slingshot without coverage... ) Bah. Read a physics text sometime. Miss the catch and the payload continues on in it's original path, which would be at a tangent to the intended orbit and therefore to the surface. Why don't you consider worst case scenarios, and aerobraking. As for NASA playing plutonium slingshot, they did indeed - with a huge margin for error, and a design so pessimistic that even if the damned thing had slammed head-on into the planet, there would almost certainly have been zero contamination. If the canister HAD broken, the contamination would have been roughly on the scale of Three Mile Island, which killed 0 people and did 0 environmental damage. Why don't you consider worst case scenarios, and aerobraking. If you and the other idiots want to object to the things NASA and others do, fine. Be my guest. But do your homework FIRST. Why don't you consider worst case scenarios, and aerobraking.
FTC vs. First Amendment
So if someone goes to your site, the FTC can tell you how to communicate? Or only if your site's DNS entry is hamming-close to another? Or only if you're communicating unPC (e.g., erotica) content? And how does bombarding them with ads differ from spam, which has been 1st-amend. protected so far? If you run with javascript enabled, you deserve what you get. Keep your laws off my HTML. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7371736.html?tag=mn_hd FTC shutters thousands of Web sites By Reuters October 1, 2001, 11:40 a.m. PT WASHINGTON--A U.S. court shut down thousands of Web sites after it determined that they diverted Web surfers and held them captive while bombarding them with ads for pornography and gambling, the U.S. government said on Monday. According to the Federal Trade Commission, John Zuccarini, of Andalusia, Pa., outside Philadelphia, operated more than 5,500 Web sites that diverted Web surfers from their intended destinations and exposed them to pop-up ads. Zuccarini did not immediately respond to calls for comment. Zuccarini registered many misspellings of popular sites, such as Cartoonnetwork.com, the FTC said, in a bid to draw traffic from sloppy typists. Visitors to his sites often could not leave, as the back button on their Web browsers would be rigged to trigger more pop-up ads. After one FTC staff member closed out of 32 separate windows, leaving just two windows on the task bar, he selected the 'back' button, only to watch as the same seven windows that initiated the blitz erupted on his screen, and the cybertrap began anew, the FTC said in its complaint, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, in Philadelphia. The scheme is especially harmful to children or employees who may put their jobs at risk when they inadvertently call up pornographic or gambling-related material, the FTC said. The district court has ordered Zuccarini to take his sites offline, the FTC said, while the case continues. But as of early Monday afternoon, at least one site registered to Zuccarini, Annakurnikova.com, was still functional. Zuccarini had registered 41 variations on the name of pop star Britney Spears, the FTC said. In its court action, the FTC is seeking to get Zuccarini to return the estimated $800,000 to $1 million he earns in advertising revenues. According to the FTC, Zuccarini has been sued at least 63 times in the last two years by trademark owners, celebrities or others seeking to recover variants of their Internet domain names. He has lost 53 of those suits and been forced to return nearly 200 domain names, the FTC said.
Re: [FREE] stratfor (fwd)
At 03:30 PM 9/30/01 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: I have to admit being somewhat confused myself over just what distinctions there are between a formal declaration, and a vote of support such as we saw following the 9/11 attacks. I believe a formal declaration would entail far more Presidential support and powers, resources for the military, including likely more sweeping restrictions on civil liberties. Yes. Though these days they have Emergency Powers for everything, and chronic, continually extended 'Emergencies'. .. We have always been at war with Oceania.
Re: America needs therapy
At 11:33 AM 10/1/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: As for ethanol, which you cite, if it's so splendid an alternative, one would think that ADM could survive without such lavish corporate welfare. http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa241es.html You shouldn't hold pork-politics against a technology. Ethanol *is* a great fuel from a number of angles, but it *is* (currently) more expensive than petrol. There are a number of fuel sources like that, just waiting to become desirable if/when petrol prices rise. (Modulo the inertia of conversion costs and distribution problems.) dh
Re: America needs therapy
At 11:05 AM 10/1/01 -0700, Eric Murray wrote: or even horse and buggy. Although I suppose that unlike a car's engine, when your horse fails, you can eat it. Not in California. Can't even sell it to Euros who like it. My religion doesn't let me eat sushi at the beach --JimB
Re: Smallpox?
At 10:17 PM 9/25/01 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: So what's the deal with smallpox anyway? When I was a kid we all got innoculated against it, and it was supposed to be a lifetime thing. Not sure about that, but: Did they stop vaccinating everyone for smallpox at some point? Yes.
Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
At 10:07 PM 9/25/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: Not answering the door makes them _at least_ wait until one has to leave. Oh, and they can't wait _on_ your property, now can they? That would be trespassing. I think its not trespass until you've advised them to leave, if they approach a door. Don't know about signage by your driveway; locally you need a 3 signs per mile (IIRC) on your property to keep people away. Not sure about how long you can linger at a closed door. Does lingering become harassment? Aside, on property rights: I learned that in LA county the county Vector Control (ie, mosquito) people can come onto your property to sample standing water, if they suspect it; and even add fish to your standing water (eg birdbath) pools. I have about a 200-foot driveway from my house to the semi-public road serving our hill. They can't wait _on_ my property, without trespassing. If you had a gate with sign, probably not. But an open driveway is ok. When I was ~10 my dad, who recognized a server, sent me out to tell the guy to leave. (We had a similarly long driveway.) He left. It was cool. This means I can get in my car and get out without being served. (There is no requirement that a car window be rolled down to receive papers.) Cypherpunks don't talk to strangers. Except to tell them to go away. Maybe using a voice-changer to say that. (If I see someone skulking around on my property, I would be morally justified in shooting them, of course. Demanding that they leave, from a window, and threatening to shoot is probably not actionable even in today's weird legal climate. Actually shooting them, while morally justified, is proably not wise.) You could peer from a window with a rifle pointing at the sky, but I'd be careful about pointing it towards even uninvited visitors. This thread is an advertisement for big noisy dogs, too.
Re: Selected quotes from Keyser-Soze
At 09:10 AM 9/24/01 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I'm not into anthropomorphics I'd guess my sign would be either mongoose (fast and perisistent and loves to kill snakes) or weasel (agile, sly, cunning and sneaky and loves to kill rats) Damnit, you should have said *dollar* sign. In the Randian sense.
