Council of Europe Cybercrime Treaty
The full text is at http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/WhatYouWant.asp?NT=185 Note that no signatories have signed, and it requires at least 5 to sign before going into force. This is interesting because basically all of Western Europe's IP traffic crosses the U.S. at some point, and therefore creates some interesting ramifications for U.S. ISPs how do they respond to demands for subscriber records and copies of traffic? ___ Want a FREE fast, secure, and permanent email address? Visit http://www.FastCircle.com
Re: CDR: Re: Council of Europe Cybercrime Treaty
OUTBOUND traffic is what I meant, of course :) Although, comedy aside, there's an interesting point herein: even a lot of traffic that you would normally assume would be intra-Western Europe traffic actually crosses into U.S. NAPs -- counterintuitively stupid, I know, but it happens more than you might imagine, especially for corporate traffic of multinationals and traffic inbound/outbound for webhosting companies that are European but in reality are getting their pipes from U.S. ISPs. The same is true of PacRim traffic too, btw (in some cases, even more so -- a large percentage of Hong Kong to Australia traffic goes through the U.S., for example) -- although of course PacRim traffic is not covered by this agreement. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The full text is at http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/WhatYouWant.asp?NT=185 Note that no signatories have signed, and it requires at least 5 to sign before going into force. This is interesting because basically all of Western Europe's IP traffic crosses the U.S. at some point, Que? Tracing route to members.ams.chello.nl [62.108.1.126] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 193.61.22.245 2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 144.82.19.103 3 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 144.82.255.17 410 ms10 ms10 ms 128.40.255.29 5 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 128.40.20.190 630 ms20 ms20 ms ulcc-gsr.lmn.net.uk [194.83.101.5] 7 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms london-bar1.ja.net [146.97.40.33] 8 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms linx-gw.ja.net [128.86.1.249] 9 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms LINXRT1.chello.com [195.66.224.89] 1030 ms30 ms20 ms uk-lon-rc-02-pos-5- 0.chellonetwork.com [213.46.1 60.57] 1110 ms10 ms10 ms nl-ams-rc-01-pos-0- 0.chellonetwork.com [213.46.1 60.9] 1210 ms10 ms10 ms nl-ams-rd-01-pos-1- 0.chellonetwork.com [213.46.1 60.14] 1310 ms10 ms10 ms pos15-0.am00rt06.brain.upc.nl [213.46.161.54] 1420 ms30 ms20 ms srp10-0.am00rt02.brain.upc.nl [212.142.32.42] 1510 ms10 ms10 ms srp0-0.am00rt03.brain.upc.nl [212.142.32.35] 1610 ms10 ms10 ms gig3-0-0.h0rtr1.a2000.nl [62.108.0.82] 1710 ms10 ms10 ms members.ams.chello.nl [62.108.1.126] Trace complete. br ___ Want a FREE fast, secure, and permanent email address? Visit http://www.FastCircle.com
Re: CDR: Journalists to be treated as terrorists
Can you provide a URL or a source for the quote? The President announced today that journalists working against the interests of the people and filing false reports will be treated as terrorists and subject to severe punishment. a) President Bush of the U.S.A. b) President Mugabe of Zimbabwe. c) Both of them. --Tim May The Constitution is a radical document...it is the job of the government to rein in people's rights. --President William J. Clinton br ___ Want a FREE fast, secure, and permanent email address? Visit http://www.FastCircle.com
Re: CDR: Re: Journalists to be treated as terrorists
The Bush quote, please :) (Assuming Bush said it.) Which one? --Tim May br ___ Want a FREE fast, secure, and permanent email address? Visit http://www.FastCircle.com
Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable
From Drudge: Gun show denies booth for man selling anthrax recipes Wed Nov 28 2001 10:20:07 ET A Phoenix gun show is refusing space to a Nebraska man who sells a book that includes directions for making anthrax! Timothy Tobiason attended gun shows in Salt Lake City where he hawked 'Advanced Biological Weapons Design and Manufacture,' including an anthrax recipe. We have told him he cannot go, and we have refunded his money, said Bob Templeton, owner of the Crossroads of the West gun shows. http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm ___ Want a FREE fast, secure, and permanent email address? Visit http://www.FastCircle.com
IP: Beyond Carnivore: FBI Eyes Packet Taps (fwd)
The info in the Interactive Week article is basically the same info from the National Journal article previously posted here, which leads me to suspect that Baker is simply repeating the same rumor to everyone who'll write about it. But. it is interesting that they say router manufacturers here. I believe that what Baker heard was simply the FBI going out to people like Cisco and some of the larger network providers and people responsible for provisioning NAPs and saying we want you to implement the additions to IPSEC that the IETF refused to implement. (For background, the FBI, DOJ, DoD -- the usual suspects -- had presented a series of recommendations to the IETF last year that would create packet accounting features in IPSEC protocols and future IP protocols they were rejected by the IETF, which stated at the time that the idea of creating built-in exploits to a protocol designed for security was counterintuitive. See http://www.ietf.org for more info.) Now, it is entirely possible that given the public pressure arising from the 9-11 attacks, individual manufacturers (read Cisco) might bow to such pressure, and build-in some of these features into future products AND into future software builds for existing products. So, I think this is what Baker heard -- not that the FBI has any such system in place or would have one anytime soon... rather, that the FBI will re-present these proposals one-on-one with Cisco and a few major network providers, and in effect, get the impact of their previously-rejected proposals implemented to cover maybe as much as 80% or more of the traffic in the domestic US. And besides access to the majority of USA packet traffic, they would have access to some part of international traffic too... it's beyong the scope of this email, but keep in mind that many non-USA NAPs are really connected to one another VIA the USA. in effect, bug the USA NAPs, and you get access to almost all the traffic from Pacific Rim countries like Japan, Australia, etc. and you get access to small parts of Western Europe also, not to mention parts of Africa and the Middle East that uplink via satellite instead of a wired connection. An enterprising reporter might make an interesting article out of trying to track down exactly what parts of the IETF proposal the FBI wants (Declan?) and someone could post copies of the draft proposal as first released at ietf.org (JYA?). But I digress :) Original Message from Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:14:50 0200 (MET DST): -- Eugen* Leitl leitl __ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 06:07:48 -0400 From: David Farber Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IP: Beyond Carnivore: FBI Eyes Packet Taps From: Monty Solomon Subject: Beyond Carnivore: FBI Eyes Packet Taps October 18, 2001 Beyond Carnivore: FBI Eyes Packet Taps By Max Smetannikov Expect the FBI to expand its Internet wiretapping program, says a source familiar with the plan. Stewart Baker, a partner with law firm Steptoe Johnson, is a former general counsel to the National Security Agency. He says the FBI has spent the last two years developing a new surveillance architecture that would concentrate Internet traffic in several key locations where all packets, not just e-mail, could be wiretapped. It is now planning to begin implementing this architecture using the powers it has under existing wiretapping laws. http://www.interactiveweek.com/article/0,3658,s%3D605%26a% 253D16678,00.asp For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ___ WANT YOUR OWN FREE AND SECURE WEB EMAIL ADDRESS? Visit http://www.fastcircle.com
Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net
I've searched for other references to this and haven't found any... I work at a very large ISP and because of my job function, I would need to (a) know about such an order; (b) supervise its implementation; and (c) actively monitor compliance with it. And I can tell you that we've received no such order or even had a sniff that one was coming down (and yes, we do get served by various LEAs to disclose account details and account contents -- but they have always been specific court orders in the past; and no, no one has shown up with a Carnivore box under the arm asking us if they could plug it into the nearest router port). In addition to the blanket statement that Baker makes, there's also the suspicion that he doesn't really understand the subject what does he mean by CALEA compliance? Does he mean archiving packet data (if so, the notion is ludicrous)? Does he mean archiving just email POP3 contents? Does he mean archiving web/ftp space? What about colo boxes? CALEA as it applies to voice networks (packet switched or not -- most voice networks are packet switched already, just not necessarily IP packets) is really an expression of two specific things: a) transaction logging detail (Acme calls Beta on a specific date and time and for a specific duration) and b) the ability to easily and quickly get copies of the packet stream (the voice conversations and any data associated with them or in them) to a centralized distribution at which such data is made available to the LEAs. But this is a different thing entirely from data IP packet networks. So is this guy (Stu Baker) just blowing smoke? Mike Original Message from Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:48:03 -0700: FBI requires ISPs to permit easy surveillance; EFF founder agrees http://www.politechbot.com/p-02671.html Stu Baker replies to Politech post on ISPs and EFF founder http://www.politechbot.com/p-02672.html ___ WANT YOUR OWN FREE AND SECURE WEB EMAIL ADDRESS? Visit http://www.fastcircle.com
