Re: Blair accidently sells the roads (was Re: BBC article: Vehicles 'tracked')

2002-02-25 Thread lynn . wheeler

note that it didn't eliminate the economies of scale of network operation
 there is still massive investment required in things like fiber. some
amount of the current pricing could possibly be an overbuilt 
over-invested infrastructure ... some number of operations going bankrupt
... and then some amount of the infrastructure available on a pricing
structure that doesn't require full ROI recovery of the original investment
(i.e. written off).

the electronics revolution moved some amount of the economies of scale
into multi-billion dollar fabrication plants that have to be written off
every 3-5 years and new ones built at possible 2-3 times the cost of the
previous generation.  In some sense, the massive investment in the enabling
infrastructure has led to fewer, much more massive operations that are
required to support the massive cost reductions in other areas.

also, much of this is disruptive technology ... either because of
technology itself and/or the second order effects of infrastructure cost
reduction ... which would tend to have a distabelizing effects on
operations that had reached some sort of stabilized equilibrium under
earlier cost/price paradigms. One question might be is the choatic nature
of the players in hese market segments a permanent feature or a temporary
transition phase as infrastructure attempts to re-establish some
equilibrium after significant disruptive influence?

past ref:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsmail.htm#law dbts: More on law vs economics


[EMAIL PROTECTED] at 2/24/2002 7:44 am wrote:

The resulting exponential drop in the price of switching completely
inverted the economies of scale of network operation, changing its
very structure from an increasingly larger, more unified hierarchy
with exactly one fixed-price circuit-switched route from any two
nodes to a massively geodesic network with a combinatorical number of
routes between any two nodes, each route with its own possible
auction price depending on latency, noise, and lots of other factors.
The result was a dramatic reduction in transaction cost, price
discovery, market entry, and of course firm size, and ultimately a
dramatic increase in the number of phone companies, even vertically
integrated ones, and we haven't even started cash-settlement of
network bandwidth yet. (The paradox, of course, is that every
information worker who sits in front of a microcomputer to work
these days, sizeably more than half the female population -- even a
MacDonald's cashier -- is doing exactly what a
turn-of-the-20th-century telephone operator does, reprocessing and
routing information from one part of the network to another.)




Re: Blair accidently sells the roads (was Re: BBC article: Vehicles 'tracked')

2002-02-25 Thread Tim May

On Sunday, February 24, 2002, at 09:28  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 also, much of this is disruptive technology ... either because of
 technology itself and/or the second order effects of infrastructure cost
 reduction ... which would tend to have a distabelizing effects on
 operations that had reached some sort of stabilized equilibrium under
 earlier cost/price paradigms. One question might be is the choatic 
 nature


Shouldn't there be an e in choatic?



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Blair accidently sells the roads (was Re: BBC article: Vehicles 'tracked')

2002-02-24 Thread R. A. Hettinga

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At 11:58 AM + on 2/24/02, Graham Lally wrote:


 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1838000/1838185.stm

For those on the left side of the pond, road pricing has been big
issue in Britain, started by libertarian conservatives in the dawn of
the Lady Maggy era, and now hijacked by erst-totalitarian socialists
in political era when nobody admits to have ever been a Tory.

I expect, nonetheless, that if BritGov attempts to do road-pricing
with centralized book-entry transactions and GPS transponders,
instead of with a simple digital bearer cash toll system, such a
system would choke, just like the original proposal to have central
automated control of the Bay Area's BART system falls down, even now,
30 years after they tried it originally.

If such a top-down, positive control system did work, however, it
would probably still create an infrastructure where the adoption of a
streaming bearer cash toll structure would so undercut the installed
system on transaction cost that it would be cheaper to literally sell
the roads to the abutters in the long run -- resulting the the
fulfillment of that long-standing libertarian wet-dream, selling the
roads.

So, totalitarians, and transportation bluenoses and busybodies should
be careful of what they wish for.


For an example of that, remember what happened to telephony. The
industry demanded from the state a Morganized monopoly to prevent
ruinous competition. In exchange for same, the various local
political machines controlling the nation-state required universal
service to keep the mob from voting them out of office, and to create
a larger pool of depositors in the political favor-bank.

It took a quite a while, but the creation of a so-called natural
monopoly eventually backfired on both of them. Universal service
required automated switching to prevent requiring a significant
percentage of the population (half of all females was the apocryphal
statistic) from becoming telephone operators. As a result,
electromechanical switching (rotary dial) begat electronic switching
(touch-tone; Shockley invented the transistor for the phone company,
remember?), which, in turn, begat microprocessor switching and
Moore's Law.

The resulting exponential drop in the price of switching completely
inverted the economies of scale of network operation, changing its
very structure from an increasingly larger, more unified hierarchy
with exactly one fixed-price circuit-switched route from any two
nodes to a massively geodesic network with a combinatorical number of
routes between any two nodes, each route with its own possible
auction price depending on latency, noise, and lots of other factors.
The result was a dramatic reduction in transaction cost, price
discovery, market entry, and of course firm size, and ultimately a
dramatic increase in the number of phone companies, even vertically
integrated ones, and we haven't even started cash-settlement of
network bandwidth yet. (The paradox, of course, is that every
information worker who sits in front of a microcomputer to work
these days, sizeably more than half the female population -- even a
MacDonald's cashier -- is doing exactly what a
turn-of-the-20th-century telephone operator does, reprocessing and
routing information from one part of the network to another.)


Someday, the same thing will happen to roads, and to electricity, and
to natural gas, and to any system requiring the movement of one
ostensible commodity from one place to another, including physical
goods in the commercial distribution chain, with internet bearer
bills of lading and warehouse receipts being traded against
instantaneous internet bearer cash settlement -- just like cars
paying internet bearer cash to a road's intersection nodes as they
travel down it.

Cheers,
RAH


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