War on drugs...
"The response of the apparatchiks is to increase the penalties until > we're all cowed, like they did in the old war on drugs. As long as they are that successful, we don't have too much to worry about! Besides, the CIA ships more drugs into the US than all the other cartels combined." Uh...I'd point out that this is no coincidence. The Conpiracy Theorist would say that the War on Drugs was precisely the CIA's way to keep its own drug prices high and continue funding their own little activites. Oh, and aside from the fatass oil pipeline they've wanted to build in Afghanistan, guess another little resource that Afghanistan has produced in the past (and that the Taliban had cracked down on)? Yeah--you got it--Poppies...and now that the Warlords are back in charge the cash crop is back. TD PS: Hey! What a-hole equated hotmail with spam? Oh, right...I guess hotmail is pretty much Spam (even when it's not). But this is makin' me click more figgin' buttons on this computer...
Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries
On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 10:47:25AM -0800, Tim May wrote: > Secret trials are on the rise. Inasmuch as the U.S. is now throwing its > full weight behind secret evidence, secret prosecutions, secret trials, > secret appeals courts, suspension of habeas corpus, detention of Evil > Ones without charge at concentration camps in Cuba, suspension of the > Fourth and Fifth and Sixth Amendments, and elevation to guilt by I spoke recently with a former DOD lawyer now at a TLA. That lawyer says that the current thinking is that if there is a "cyberattack" from another nation, we are at a state of war and the Fourth Amendment and other prohibitions on government interference with personal property and liberty do not apply.* -Declan * Yes, you could argue that after the War On Some Politically Unpopular Drugs, the USA Patriot Act's expansion of eavesdropping without a court order, the Dept of Homeland Security bill doing the same thing, the recent FISA appeals court decision, and so on, the 4A has already been eviscerated. But I'd say there's still a small amount of life in it for now.
Re: [FYI] TSA rules: Religious or Cultural Needs: Take off your fucking yarmulke
Reposted to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/p-04251.html We'll see if there are any takers. -Declan On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 12:57:19PM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > http://www.tsa.dot.gov/public/display?content=295
Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
On Friday 13 December 2002 23:30, Jim Choate wrote: > On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Mike Rosing wrote: > > "Content is crap, conectivity is king" > > A.M. Odlyzko at Univ. Wisconsin, early 2002 (May I think?) > > Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What > is it they are connecting to? You don't have daughters, do you? If you did, the bill for the second phone line would answer your question. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged. --Michael Shirley
Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Sarad AV wrote: > The Taliban is still very much alive,when troops moved > into kabul there were no traces of the taliban.They > took what ever they wanted and were 'refugees' > sneaking out when the bombing started.They placed what > they needed ,every body else needed to see.Video tapes > of chemical weapon testing,which CNN released,another > free advertisement for the taliban regime.Now all > eyes are on iraq,war games being conducted so that the > world does not question man or machine movement.Some > regimes do stay for a while,how sucessful they are > depends on how well they come back after their fall. And who supports whom to prevent extermination. > You can't vote your choice when you have gun pointed > at the back of your head. Yup. There are really elections or there aren't. Usually, they aren't. But India is an amazing example of democracy. Corrupt, but it's still got voting that kinda works. > > We just have a few years of hell to go thru, that's > > all. > > for the u.s,it may be a few years,for the rest of the > world,who knows. I think most every place has gone thru more hell than the US. Even with all the ways we've found to kill each other, there are more people living today than ever before. That's part of the problem in a way - fewer resources spread out over more people. It's possible to have a full scale civil war in the us, we've done it before. But it's not likely unless the "powers that be" make some really stupid commands. The rest of the world may be preventing the us from invading Iraq, and then W will have to go back to focusing on the Taliban. Unfortunatly, he supported them when he first took the job and that's an embarasment he'd like everyone to forget. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: Gilmore's response
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 02:47:37PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: | >Dare you to do this with your Groucho glasses on :-) | | Oh, you saw me at RSA, eh? (Last year I guess it was, the RSA's staff | allowed me to be photo ID'd wearing them as long as I promised to wear them | on the show floor, which I did). I think I still have them. I'd be up for | it. In one of their books, Penn and Teller suggest gluing a small bit of red foam to an ID over your nose. Then as you hand over the ID, slip a clown nose on, and continue as if nothing had happened. -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume
Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
Jim Choate, in a display of bad judgement and ill temper never before seen on the internet, spewed forth the following blood-libel: > Nitwit, who are the daughters talking to, dial-tone? Not. They are > solving two problems, entertainment and a problem (social > connectivity). The point was, the "content providers" aren't providing the entertainment. The daughters are talking (and talking!) to their friends with no help from the big companies other than providing the connectivity. I believe that was Olyzko's point in the first place, that people are more interested in being connected with other people (regular people, not entertainers) than in simply receiving entertainment or other content from canned sites. I'm not sure I agree with Odlyzko's point about connectivity vs content. But your prior statement, "Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What is it they are connecting to?", misses the distinction between the two. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged. --Michael Shirley
Re: Cpunks: The Tee-shirt
Nice! I just got an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 printer (a pigment-based ink jet printer used for photo prints, see http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/Epson2200.shtml). I should be able to buy that t-shirt transfer stuff and give it a shot. Also should include: "Convicted me in a secret trial..." -Declan On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 01:24:51PM -0800, Eric Murray wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 04:11:21PM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: > > I was poking around thinkgeek, and it appears that > > the CDR now has it's own tee-shirt. > > Suitable for old farts and wannabes alike. > > Now available in black! > > > > Peter Trei > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/57ee/ > > Not "The Fedz declared me an enemy combatant, sent > me to Cuba for torture and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"? > > > Eric
Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries
On Friday 13 December 2002 11:44, Trei, Peter wrote: > ... this sort > of thing could give the Libertarian Party legs, > if they handled it right. Hahahahahahaha -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged. --Michael Shirley
Re: Gilmore's response
> From: Steve Schear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have a possible trip coming up soon. I intend to have my tickets > purchased by a third party and fly under an assumed name (maybe Tyler > Durden ;-) I will carry no ID on my person. Perhaps there is now a need to > have large numbers of refusnik travelers assume the same "nom de avion" > identity. Sort of like the Killroy in WW II. Dare you to do this with your Groucho glasses on :-)
Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries
At 10:06 AM 12/13/2002 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: See Gilmore's proposal. Consider the meaning of reverse-panopticon. Find federal employees and let them know "we're watching you" but don't identify "we". Publish public info. Do this for executives in firms that pander to the Evil. Not just e.g., Ellison ---there are more next-level-down underlings who might just live in your neighborhood. Anyone got ideas for a "neighborhood watch" type sticker which expresses the reverse-panopticon visually? sure, I took a stab at this. i'm not much of an artist, but what the heck: http://fyyff.com/images/binocSmall.jpg http://fyyff.com/images/binocCounted.jpg (after a gary larson _far side_ cartoon that also used binoculars...) -landon [re-lurking]
Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: > On Friday 13 December 2002 23:30, Jim Choate wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Mike Rosing wrote: > > > "Content is crap, conectivity is king" > > > A.M. Odlyzko at Univ. Wisconsin, early 2002 (May I think?) > > > > Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What > > is it they are connecting to? > > You don't have daughters, do you? If you did, the bill for the second > phone line would answer your question. Nitwit, who are the daughters talking to, dial-tone? Not. They are solving two problems, entertainment and a problem (social connectivity). -- We don't see things as they are, [EMAIL PROTECTED] we see them as we are. www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anais Nin www.open-forge.org
Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Mike Rosing wrote: > "Content is crap, conectivity is king" > A.M. Odlyzko at Univ. Wisconsin, early 2002 (May I think?) Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What is it they are connecting to? Content (ala entertainment or problem resolution) are what drive the network. -- We don't see things as they are, [EMAIL PROTECTED] we see them as we are. www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anais Nin www.open-forge.org
Re: Gilmore's response
At 12:47 PM 12/13/2002 -0800, "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Steve Schear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have a possible trip coming up soon. I intend to have my tickets > purchased by a third party and fly under an assumed name (maybe Tyler > Durden ;-) I will carry no ID on my person. Perhaps there is now a need to > have large numbers of refusnik travelers assume the same "nom de avion" > identity. Sort of like the Killroy in WW II. Dare you to do this with your Groucho glasses on :-) Oh, you saw me at RSA, eh? (Last year I guess it was, the RSA's staff allowed me to be photo ID'd wearing them as long as I promised to wear them on the show floor, which I did). I think I still have them. I'd be up for it. steve
Re: NYPD To Begin Fingerprinting Visitors To HQ
Schemes for vengeance that promise safety for the avenger won't cut it, for those are the coward's way and can be countered by upping the promise to hurt the coward, which knocks out the will to act beyond bravado. It's true that most of the world's leaders, and petty aspirants to power, exhort their lap pupplies for painless vengeance: only targets are exterminated, never the exterminator. Lot of young warriors have pointlessly died for believing the promises of leaders, along with far more targets the warriors obediently wasted. What's needed are leaders willing to die themselves in the act of vengeance. If that became the norm of credible leadership then the desire to lead would soon kill itself off. Which would be a step in the right direction. Leaders of all stripes need killing, and best is for them to do themselves. A courageous leader offs him/herself to show how to do it. Erect monuments to the assholes for pigeons to shit on, but don't ever believe or do what they say needs doing until they demonstrate the close-up effect of stand-off yarping for violence. Once you see what a weapon can do to a fearless leader you will think about going home to sealbark for Ozzy. Or, if you pine for viagara eat your weapon.
Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries
hi, > All represive regiemes are short lived in a > historical context. The Taliban is still very much alive,when troops moved into kabul there were no traces of the taliban.They took what ever they wanted and were 'refugees' sneaking out when the bombing started.They placed what they needed ,every body else needed to see.Video tapes of chemical weapon testing,which CNN released,another free advertisement for the taliban regime.Now all eyes are on iraq,war games being conducted so that the world does not question man or machine movement.Some regimes do stay for a while,how sucessful they are depends on how well they come back after their fall. > > When we can't vote, we can fight. So far the number > of horror > stories is small. But when everyone has a personal > friend or > relative that's been shot, abused, tortured or even > just roughed > up - then they'll know they might be next. And they > might vote to change > things. You can't vote your choice when you have gun pointed at the back of your head. So from a purely machivellian perspective, > the faster > "they" become more repressive and the more people > "they" harm, > the faster things will change. It hasn't happened for the past 50 years. > We just have a few years of hell to go thru, that's > all. for the u.s,it may be a few years,for the rest of the world,who knows. Regards Sarath. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'SHotel
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > Well, this is for me not an easy issue. Amerika has always had a hard-on for > fascism (as long as it was in the service of "freedom"), and as a result the > pendulum seems to swing pretty wildly at times. It's not America, it's people. Some have compared the concept of 'paper protection' of rights as worthless, yet the countries who do have such protection are the ones where the centralization of power in an elite is the most hindered. > Crypto is for me primarily a way to send information to somebody else > without worrying if a third party hears it. This may be financial data, it > may be personal information. They can't understand it, they can certainly capture the transmission which maps directly to 'hearing', and they can certainly learn the 'language' (ie crack the crypto) if given enough time and effort. > In a state where crypto (and hence my right to communicate discretely) is > resisted, it then transforms into a means of resistance and possible > preservation of residual freedoms. No, it actually acts as evidence of your intent. Using crypto in Russia, China, or France for example will not protect you, it will single you out of the crowd. The only place crypto will work is where there is no real consequence for using it with regards to the law. It's an empty promise of protection. > and only for reasons that have undeniable need (WW2 is an example, as was > the Chinese Communist reaction to the Nationalist's non-response to Japanese > Genocide in China). The term you're looking for is 'self-defence'. > In this sense, then, strong Crypto, Ubiquitous WiFi/Broadband, P2P, Blacknet > and so on are for me tools with which to head off scenarios where violence > might otherwise be the only reasonable recourse. Gibberish, the use of any of these -requires- the consent of the powers that be by -not- regulating them. Take WiFi for example, if it were not sanctioned by the FCC then it wouldn't exist, and if you built such devices you would in fact be saying 'Here I am, come get me', not to mention that in such a situation the ability of others to use it (you're using it is worthless if 'they' don't use it also) is severely constrained. This leads to the classic OTP key sharing problem of a 'secure channel'. > close, though.) What I DO hope is that via the proliferation of such (and > other) technologies, the very notions of "limiting speech" (whether by "good > guys" or "bad guys"), surveillance of on-line activites, and so on, become > anachronistic, perhaps even non-concepts. The only way this stuff will work is to become so common that people can't think of their lives without it, that it is used so deeply day to day that it becomes a necessity. That will -require- some sort of willingness on the part of the governing bodies to allow it. The only way that will happen is to apply the technology in a broad swath of applications -before- the regulatory agencies really understand the consequences. -- We don't see things as they are, [EMAIL PROTECTED] we see them as we are. www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anais Nin www.open-forge.org
Re: [MPUNKS] Cypherpunks December Mtg: HIGHFIRE Design Session
Dave has his own point of view -- there is overlap, of course, but it's not coterminous with the official activities of the CryptoRights Foundation. -Declan On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 07:46:26PM +0100, Anonymous wrote: > You don't need to worry about this anyway, Peter. It is doubtful that an > organization such as CryptoRights would hire cypherpunks, given its scope > of political activities and its association with fascist single world > governments. > > See: http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks@lne.com/msg00052.html > > and: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,46035,00.html
Re: New Scientist - Virtual world to run on real cash... (fwd)
Jim Choate wrote: > http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns3180 yeah. downloaded that (its about 300MB!) and after going though the setup it doesn't like my video card *sigh* At first look though, it would appear the system is set up for a decent proportion of the money to flow in the direction of the owners of the system (which I suppose is the point) *everything* wears out - which is realistic ,but leads to a constant round of repair and replacement costs just to maintain what you already have. construction requires blueprints - which you must purchase - and skills - which I have no idea how you acquire, but I doubt you can just go ahead and do it. Odds are good it also requires tools (which would be realistic, but again expensive) Exploiting raw resources requires (presumably expensive) raw resource location tools, then raw resource extraction tools. that resource (minerals) must be processed before it can be used to construct things - but I can't find any docus how you get from extracted ore to production-ready metals (assuming you even can - you may be forced to sell ore and buy production-ready metal at whatever prices the engine sets) its a pre-release beta, so I suspect that a few of the problems will be ironed out - but at the moment, it looks like a holiday camp - its ok if a few of the visitors make a little, provided the camp itself gets its cut :)
