Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

[Harmon Seaver]

On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 12:30:48PM -0800, Todd Boyle wrote:

 (snip)

> Just tell me why there's so many posts about guns,
> killing, racism, liberty and all that crap, when all
> we need is a decent electronic money system.
> 

  Just tell me why you're complaining about this on the cpunx list? Guns and
killing are endemic here, you have a problem with that, unsub.


-- 
Harmon Seaver   
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

[Bill Stewart]

At 09:40 PM 01/09/2003 +, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote:

If Bush can decide alone whether or not we are at war, and if
Bush can decide alone with whom we are at war, and if Bush can
decide alone what the boundaries of the war zone are, and if
Bush can decide alone what behavior makes one an enemy
combatant, then we have one person, a totalitarian dictator, who
can disappear you, imprison you, and kill you, at will, with no
right of review by a court for any of it. That totalitarian
dictator is Bush.

Do his war powers extend to cancelling elections? Why not?
Can't judges disappear as well as anyone?


If you've got your brother counting the votes,
and you can prevent anybody else from counting them,
then you don't need to cancel elections.

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

[James A. Donald]

 --
On 13 Jan 2003 at 12:30, Todd Boyle wrote:
> What *was* your point in redistributing the "nigger killing" 
> post from Cypherpunks, in the digital bearer settlement list? 
> Does that have something to do with digital cash, or enhance 
> your IBUC business somehow?   Maybe, increasing traffic by 
> being cool and shocking?

Tim May pulled people's legs -- some sucker took it seriously, 
so someone decided to pull a little harder to see how much a 
sucker would swallow.

The hunting post was obviously a joke, as the final line made
clear. The real joke was that some readers would fail to see
that the first line was a joke, would believe that cypherpunks
really do go hunting black people. 

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Mike Echols is Dead

[Eric Cordian]

The Monterey Herald is reporting that notorious network vigilante, author,
founder of Better a Millstone, and self-described enemy of pedophilia,
Walter Harlan (Mike) Echols II, was found dead in his jail cell over the
weekend, where he was serving 150 days for violating his probation on an
earlier charge of making terrorist threats.  Mr. Echols was also awaiting
trial on new charges of indecent exposure and resisting arrest.

Before becoming an Internet stalker and social parasite, Mr. Echols
authored several soft-core books based on true-crime stories of adolescent
boys being sexually abused.  The best known of these was "I Know My First
Name is Steven", which was made into a mini-series starring Cory Nemec.

To Internet Denizens, Mr. Echols was best known for grepping the net for
public discussions of sex, censorship, and age of consent laws, and
harrassing people holding left of center positions on these issues by
placing them on his Web page of "Internet Child Sex Predators and Child
Pornographers and NAMBLA Members." He would include as much personal
information as he could dig up, including work and home addresses and
phone numbers, and suggestions that any children living nearby were in
danger of being sexually assaulted.  He made frequent ranting phone calls
to people, their employers and landlords, and nearby businesses, in
pursuit of this agenda.

Mr. Echols had a lengthy criminal record, including child abuse, breaking
and entering, being a fugitive from justice, assault, and was once
referred to by the governor of Colorado as "a man who has no respect for
the law."

Mr. Echols' final downfall began when he bumped his leg on a bus, and
attempted to harrass California transit officials into a $100,000
settlement, by threating to kill them, and to destroy their computer
systems.  He was convicted, and sentenced to six months in jail, of which
he served two, before being placed on probation, and forbidden as a
condition of probation from going near a bus.  Mr. Echols said at his
trial, that this was all a plot by "pedophiles" to destroy him, and after
giving Mr. Echols some time to produce evidence of this odd allegation, he
was given an additional fine for "wasting the court's time."

He was arrested again around Thanksgiving, in two separate pants-dropping
incidents, one where he boarded a bus in violation of his probation,
refused to pay, and dropped his pants when asked to leave, and another in
which he is alleged to have dropped his pants and waved his genitalia at a
police officer escorting him away from a place he had been living
illegally.

Sentenced to 150 days for the probation violation, he was realeased on his
own recognizance to seek medical treatment for heart problems, and escaped
from the hospital, only to be later re-arrested when the unamused judge
issued a bench warrant.

He was finally returned to jail to serve his sentence, ranting that
Monterey officials were plotting against him, and was found dead in this
cell over the weekend.  At the time, his attorneys were attempting to get
him declared incompentent to stand trial on the new charges, due to his
obvious mental problems.

Better a Millstone, Mr. Echols' organization, was incorporated for him in
the state of Nevada by a born again friend of his, who happened to be a
federal suspect in a series of abortion clinic bombings.  Despite this,
and the fact that Mr. Echols had a long criminal record, the organization
was awarded IRS 501(c)(3) tax exempt organization status, giving Mr.
Echols' harrassment operation a quasi-official status.

Echols' antics were enabled by a large slew of people, like Ernie Allen of
the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, who secretly
enjoyed seeing the illegal harrassment of people critical of the
government's sex and porn agenda, and took every opportunity to minimize
his illegal behavior, and portray him as a poor misguided soul who helped
children instead of a habitual criminal.

Echols first came to my attention a number of years ago, when I had an
encounter with Noreen Gosch, a well-known child sex conspiracy nut, in a
CNN chatroom.  Ms. Gosch promotes a theory that there is an international
Satanic pedophile conspiracy, run out of the CIA's MK-Ultra program, which
ritually abuses children.  This, according to Ms. Gosch, is done for the
purpose of producing multiple personalities, so that the children may be
used as operatives in order to compromise world leaders and other powerful
people.

A number of weeks after suggesting in the CNN chatroom to Ms. Gosch that
she was in need of the services of a competent mental health professional,
I did a web search of my name, and to my surprise, found that I had been
listed on Echols' web site as an "Internet Child Sex Predator."  Even more
amusing, Echols listed my location as Salt Lake City, apparently after
looking up the IP I had used to access CNN, which was that of an Internet
provider in that city.

I went to Echols' Web site, and 

Re: Question on Mixmaster

[Len Sassaman]

On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, James A. Donald wrote:

>--
> On 12 Jan 2003 at 20:12, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
> > I've known about Mixmaster for years, but only just now
> > finally downloaded and installed it (Mixmaster 2.9.0).  Does
> > anyone know where I can find documentation on how to actually
> > use it?
>
> It is intolerably painful to use Mixmaster by hand.

The ncurses interface is pretty simple and self-explainatory. I'll agree
that it isn't nearly as full-featured as an email client, and using
QuickSilver or Mutt as a wrapper to it may be more desirable, but I don't
find it "intolerably painful". I may be biased, however, and would
certainly appreciate feedback.

> Download quicksilver, which is a wrapper around Mixmaster.

http://quicksilver.skuz.net/

Re: Question on Mixmaster

[Len Sassaman]

On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:

> I've known about Mixmaster for years, but only just now finally
> downloaded and installed it (Mixmaster 2.9.0).  Does anyone know where I
> can find documentation on how to actually use it?  The distribution
> (from Sourceforge) contains no documentation whatsoever beyond a *very*
> terse man page that has no information at all on the interactive
> interface, and only has one-line summaries of each command-line option.

We know the documentation is lacking. Alex is working on a user-guide for
Mixmaster, which should accompany Mixmaster 3.0. In the mean time, there
is the README file, which should be enough to get you started; the
Remailer FAQ[1], which is also a work-in-progress, but helpful to new
remops;  and the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lists, where users and remops (respectively) can ask for help.

Mixmaster 2.9.0's ncurses interface is pretty simplistic. It lets you
create mail, address it, select a chain of remailers to send mail through,
etc. Is there something in particular that you are having trouble with?
If so, please ask on [EMAIL PROTECTED], and someone will
certainly help you.


--Len.

[1] http://mixmaster.sourceforge.net/faq.shtml

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

[Todd Boyle]

>Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

As usual, no intellectual response from the
mental cadaver of a once-relevant writer  :-)

What *was* your point in redistributing the
"nigger killing" post from Cypherpunks, in the
digital bearer settlement list?   Does that have
something to do with digital cash, or enhance
your IBUC business somehow?   Maybe,
increasing traffic by being cool and shocking?

Jim Bell's "assassination politics" story was such
a successful business gimmick for him, maybe you
guys are still hoping some variation on that, will
bring fame and glory, or help kick-start your digital
cash companies?

Just tell me why there's so many posts about guns,
killing, racism, liberty and all that crap, when all
we need is a decent electronic money system.

Todd

At 05:40 AM 1/13/2003, R. A. Hettinga wrote:


At 5:04 PM -0800 on 1/12/03, Todd Boyle wrote:

> This is supposed
> to be a "Digital Bearer Settlement List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>".



> For that matter, is there any conceptual association between
> killing people, and payments with digital currencies?
>
> What's your point


>
> I thought you had some goals



Thank you for your input.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out...


Cheers,
RAH
Who thinks that "throw the bastards out" is a viable, or at least
long-running, thread in this business, no matter what one thinks about
peoples' suggestions of method, and who has long ago stopped being shocked
about those suggestions, anonymous or otherwise...

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-
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The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

Re: Question on Mixmaster

[James A. Donald]

   --
On 12 Jan 2003 at 20:12, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
> I've known about Mixmaster for years, but only just now
> finally downloaded and installed it (Mixmaster 2.9.0).  Does
> anyone know where I can find documentation on how to actually
> use it?

It is intolerably painful to use Mixmaster by hand.

Download quicksilver, which is a wrapper around Mixmaster.

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Re: Indo European Origins

[Ken Brown]

"R. A. Hettinga" wrote:
> 
> At 4:25 PM -0500 on 1/9/03, Trei, Peter wrote:
> 
> > Basque is unique, as you say
> 
> I remember someone saying somewhere, probably on PBS, that Basque is *very*
> old, paleolithic, and lots of popular mythology has cropped up that it's
> the closest living relative to some other ur-language, which even
> Indo-European is derived from. 



All contemporary natural languages, like all biological species, are the
same age.

Of course some might change more slowly than others (Greek seems to have
a;ltered less than Latin in 2500 years), or might remain in one place
longer than others (it is silly to say that Welsh is an older language
than English, but it is older in Britain)

I don't know. The youth of today. They should make them all do
cladistcs.

Question on Mixmaster

[Kevin S. Van Horn]

I've known about Mixmaster for years, but only just now finally 
downloaded and installed it (Mixmaster 2.9.0).  Does anyone know where I 
can find documentation on how to actually use it?  The distribution 
(from Sourceforge) contains no documentation whatsoever beyond a *very* 
terse man page that has no information at all on the interactive 
interface, and only has one-line summaries of each command-line option.

Re: Indo European Origins

[Tim May]

On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 07:42  AM, Ken Brown wrote:


"R. A. Hettinga" wrote:


At 4:25 PM -0500 on 1/9/03, Trei, Peter wrote:


Basque is unique, as you say


I remember someone saying somewhere, probably on PBS, that Basque is 
*very*
old, paleolithic, and lots of popular mythology has cropped up that 
it's
the closest living relative to some other ur-language, which even
Indo-European is derived from.



All contemporary natural languages, like all biological species, are 
the
same age.

This statement is so silly it leaves me speechless...

Getting my breath back,



Of course some might change more slowly than others (Greek seems to 
have
a;ltered less than Latin in 2500 years), or might remain in one place
longer than others (it is silly to say that Welsh is an older language
than English, but it is older in Britain)


Nonsense. Icelandic is little changed from the Old Norse of 1000 A.D. 
Icelanders can easily read the sagas without help; modern Danes and 
Norwegians cannot. English, by contrast, is substantially different 
from just the Middle English of Chaucer, let alone the Old English of 
Beowulf.  I took a class in "The Canterbury Tales," in the original 
with a side-by-side translation, from a Chaucer scholar. A few 
recognizable words, a few familar patterns. But quite clearly there has 
been significant evolution of English in the past half-millennium. By 
contrast, the Koran is readable in the original by modern Arabs.

Other such examples abound.


--Tim May

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 5:04 PM -0800 on 1/12/03, Todd Boyle wrote:

> This is supposed
> to be a "Digital Bearer Settlement List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>".



> For that matter, is there any conceptual association between
> killing people, and payments with digital currencies?
>
> What's your point


>
> I thought you had some goals



Thank you for your input.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out...


Cheers,
RAH
Who thinks that "throw the bastards out" is a viable, or at least
long-running, thread in this business, no matter what one thinks about
peoples' suggestions of method, and who has long ago stopped being shocked
about those suggestions, anonymous or otherwise...

-- 
-
R. A. Hettinga 
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'