Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-10 Thread Tim May
On Jan 9, 2004, at 10:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its hard to square the Founder's purpose of providing the common 
citizen, through a militia (which a National Guard), with an effective 
physical deterrent to governmental tyranny with many restrictions on 
the type of weapons a citizen in good standing may keep and bear.  
Though allowing the guy next door to own a nuke or a F-15 may be going 
too far, its not unreasonable for any of us to keep and bear any arm 
that our police forces (including S.W.A.T. teams) field.


Where does this citizen in good standing stuff come from? I see it a 
lot from what I will call weak Second Amendment supporters. They talk 
about good citizens and law-abiding citizens as having Second 
Amendment rights.

If someone has been apprehended and convicted and imprisoned for a real 
crime, then of course various of their normal rights are no longer in 
forced. If, however, they are out of prison then all of their rights, 
including speech, religion, assembly, firearms, due process, security 
of their possessions and property, speedy trial, blah blah blah are of 
course in force.

As a felon, which I am, do I not have First Amendment rights? As a 
felon, and certainly not a citizen in good standing, have I lost my 
other rights?

To all who say Yes, including most of the Eurotrash collectivists 
here, I say your legacy shall be smoke. Tens of millions, perhaps 
billions, need to be sent up the chimneys.


--Tim May
The great object is that every man be armed and everyone who is able 
may have a gun. --Patrick Henry
The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they 
be properly armed. --Alexander Hamilton



Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-10 Thread Steve Furlong
On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 19:02, J.A. Terranson wrote:
 What good is a Jury when the judge can pick and choose which arguments and
 evidence you can provide in support of your case?

I've occasionally handed out pamphlets on jury nullification outside the
local county courthouse. Never been arrested for it, but I've caught a
raft of shit from cops. The cops were acting, presumably, under
direction from the judges or maybe the DA. Those guys just hate jurors
thinking for themselves, you know.




Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-10 Thread J.A. Terranson

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Greg Broiles wrote:

 At 08:59 AM 1/8/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The great American experiment finally fizzled on December 1, 2003, when
 the US Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal from a 9th Federal Circuit
 decision which gutted the Second Amendment. It was a nice run - over two
 hundred years.
 
 As of December 1, 2003, the US Supreme Court issued its ruling, refusing
 to hear an appeal in the case of Silveira vs. Lockyer. That made Silveira
 the law of the land, you see.

 No, that's absolutely incorrect. Every conclusion you reach which depends
 on that flawed premise is suspect.

 Further appeals to Congress and the states are no longer a sure bet. The
 soap box and the ballot box have been throughly tried, is it now time to
 get out the ammo box?

 You're forgetting the jury box.

What good is a Jury when the judge can pick and choose which arguments and
evidence you can provide in support of your case?

 --
 Greg Broiles
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-- 
Yours,
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Unbridled nationalism, as distinguished from a sane and legitimate
patriotism, must give way to a wider loyalty, to the love of humanity as a
whole. Bah'u'llh's statement is: The earth is but one country, and mankind
its citizens.

The Promise of World Peace
http://www.us.bahai.org/interactive/pdaFiles/pwp.htm




Spam filter / killfile rule

2004-01-10 Thread Thomas Shaddack
There is a problem here how to killfile (or spamfilter) the more repeated
nothing-saying posts without losing also his good stuff as the collateral
damage.

The good ruleset could be (translate to the syntax of whatever you use):
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Body contains: smoke
Body contains: chimneys

A specifically tweaked Bayesian filter could be maybe an option too.