Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
> On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: > > > Jim Choate, in a display of bad judgement and ill temper never before > > seen on the internet, spewed forth the following blood-libel: I have fulfilled a lifelong goal, I have walked where no man has ever walked before. I can now die happy ;) > > I'm not sure I agree with Odlyzko's point about connectivity vs content. > > But your prior statement, "Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they > > want connectivity? What is it they are connecting to?", misses the > > distinction between the two. There is -no- distinction between the two, they are opposite sides of the -same- coin. To talk of one without the other is simply asinine and ignorant. Typical western deconstructionist thinking, muddled. -- We don't see things as they are, [EMAIL PROTECTED] we see them as we are. www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anais Nin www.open-forge.org
Re: CDR: Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: > On Friday 13 December 2002 23:30, Jim Choate wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Mike Rosing wrote: > > > "Content is crap, conectivity is king" > > > A.M. Odlyzko at Univ. Wisconsin, early 2002 (May I think?) > > > > Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What > > is it they are connecting to? > > You don't have daughters, do you? If you did, the bill for the second > phone line would answer your question. 3 boys and 1 girl: the boys far outstripped the daughter in message units :-( -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: > The point was, the "content providers" aren't providing the > entertainment. The daughters are talking (and talking!) to their > friends with no help from the big companies other than providing the > connectivity. I believe that was Olyzko's point in the first place, > that people are more interested in being connected with other people > (regular people, not entertainers) than in simply receiving > entertainment or other content from canned sites. right, that's the basic point. > I'm not sure I agree with Odlyzko's point about connectivity vs content. > But your prior statement, "Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they > want connectivity? What is it they are connecting to?", misses the > distinction between the two. He backed it up with economic facts. There's $70 billion overall in the "entertainment" industry - movies, records, TV and radio. There's $250 billion in the telecom industry. So telecom can afford more lobiests than entertainment, but they have far more regulatory barriers to deal with too. Telecom doesn't really care about the platform, but if we can get them to care (i.e. if we can show telco/cable guys they make more money without paladium) then we'd have a very powerful counter acting force to hollywood. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
On Friday 13 December 2002 23:30, Jim Choate wrote: > On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Mike Rosing wrote: > > "Content is crap, conectivity is king" > > A.M. Odlyzko at Univ. Wisconsin, early 2002 (May I think?) > > Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What > is it they are connecting to? You don't have daughters, do you? If you did, the bill for the second phone line would answer your question. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged. --Michael Shirley
Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
Jim Choate, in a display of bad judgement and ill temper never before seen on the internet, spewed forth the following blood-libel: > Nitwit, who are the daughters talking to, dial-tone? Not. They are > solving two problems, entertainment and a problem (social > connectivity). The point was, the "content providers" aren't providing the entertainment. The daughters are talking (and talking!) to their friends with no help from the big companies other than providing the connectivity. I believe that was Olyzko's point in the first place, that people are more interested in being connected with other people (regular people, not entertainers) than in simply receiving entertainment or other content from canned sites. I'm not sure I agree with Odlyzko's point about connectivity vs content. But your prior statement, "Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What is it they are connecting to?", misses the distinction between the two. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged. --Michael Shirley
Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: > On Friday 13 December 2002 23:30, Jim Choate wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Mike Rosing wrote: > > > "Content is crap, conectivity is king" > > > A.M. Odlyzko at Univ. Wisconsin, early 2002 (May I think?) > > > > Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What > > is it they are connecting to? > > You don't have daughters, do you? If you did, the bill for the second > phone line would answer your question. Nitwit, who are the daughters talking to, dial-tone? Not. They are solving two problems, entertainment and a problem (social connectivity). -- We don't see things as they are, [EMAIL PROTECTED] we see them as we are. www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anais Nin www.open-forge.org
Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Mike Rosing wrote: > "Content is crap, conectivity is king" > A.M. Odlyzko at Univ. Wisconsin, early 2002 (May I think?) Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What is it they are connecting to? Content (ala entertainment or problem resolution) are what drive the network. -- We don't see things as they are, [EMAIL PROTECTED] we see them as we are. www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anais Nin www.open-forge.org
Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Eugen Leitl forwarded: > Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones > By Dan Gillmor > Mercury News Technology Columnist > [...] > That's not ``content'' in a Hollywood sense. But it's the most important > kind of content: what we create ourselves. That phone call you make to your > spouse or child or business partner is more valuable, by far, than anything > you see on television. > "Content is crap, conectivity is king" A.M. Odlyzko at Univ. Wisconsin, early 2002 (May I think?) [...] > Where is all this ultimately heading? Ask a teenager. She'll be first to > figure it out. Hell, I saw 10 year olds who figured it out. Anybody over 20 is too old to get it!! Which cuts me out by a factor of 5 :-( (or 2.5 if I'm lucky :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike