Re: A National ID: AAMVA's Unique ID

2004-06-21 Thread Bill Stewart
At 10:31 AM 6/17/2004, John Gilmore wrote:
Our favorite civil servants, the Departments of Motor Vehicles, are about
to do exactly this to us.
Many states have sunshine laws that affect meetings their
policymakers attend, at least if they attend them in official capacity.
Could this be used here?
Robyn Wagner and I have tried to join AAMVA numerous times, as
freetotravel.org.  We think that we have something to say about the
imposition of Unique ID on an unsuspecting public.  They have rejected
our application every time -- does this remind you of the Hollywood
copy-prevention standards committees?  Here is their recent
rejection letter:
...
At the same time, they let in a bunch of vendors of high security ID
cards as associate members.
Perhaps the Independent Smartcard Developer Association
that Lucky ran for a while would be a useful front?


Re: A National ID: AAMVA's Unique ID

2004-06-18 Thread Joseph Ashwood
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From: John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: A National ID: AAMVA's Unique ID


  The solution then is obvious, don't have a big central database. Instead
use
  a distributed database.

 Our favorite civil servants, the Departments of Motor Vehicles, are about
 to do exactly this to us.

 They call it Unique ID and their credo is: One person, one license,
 one record.  They swear that it isn't national ID, because national
 ID is disfavored by the public.  But it's the same thing in
 distributed-computing clothes.

I think you misunderstood my point. My point was that it is actually
_easier_, _cheaper_, and more _secure_ to eliminate all the silos. There is
no reason for the various silos, and there is less reason to tie them
together. My entire point was to put my entire record on my card, this
allows faster look-up (O(1) time versus O(lg(n))), greater security (I
control access to my record), it's cheaper (the cards have to be bought
anyway), it's easier (I've already done most of the work on defining them),
and administration is easier (no one has to care about duplication).

 This sure smells to me like national ID.

I think they are drawing the line a bit finer than either of us would like.
They don't call it a national ID because it being a national ID means that
it would be run by the federal government, being instead run by state
governments, it is a state ID, linked nationally.

As I said in the prior one, I disagree with any efforts to create forced ID.

 This, like the MATRIX program, is the brainchild of the federal
 Department of inJustice.  But those wolves are in the sheepskins of
 state DMV administrators, who are doing the grassroots politics and
 the actual administration.  It is all coordinated in periodic meetings
 by AAMVA, the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators
 (http://aamva.org/).  Draft bills to join the Unique ID Compact, the
 legally binding agreement among the states to do this, are already
 being circulated in the state legislatures by the heads of state DMVs.
 The idea is to sneak them past the public, and past the state
 legislators, before there's any serious public debate on the topic.

 They have lots of documents about exactly what they're up to.  See
 http://aamva.org/IDSecurity/.  Unfortunately for us, the real
 documents are only available to AAMVA members; the affected public is
 not invited.

 Robyn Wagner and I have tried to join AAMVA numerous times, as
 freetotravel.org.  We think that we have something to say about the
 imposition of Unique ID on an unsuspecting public.  They have rejected
 our application every time -- does this remind you of the Hollywood
 copy-prevention standards committees?  Here is their recent
 rejection letter:

   Thank you for submitting an application for associate membership in
AAMVA.
   Unfortunately, the application was denied again. The Board is not clear
as
   to how FreeToTravel will further enhance AAMVA's mission and service to
our
   membership. We will be crediting your American Express for the full
amount
   charged.

   Please feel free to contact Linda Lewis at (703) 522-4200 if you would
like
   to discuss this further.

   Dianne
   Dianne E. Graham
   Director, Member and Conference Services
   AAMVA
   4301 Wilson Boulevard, Suite 400
   Arlington, VA 22203
   T: (703) 522-4200 | F: (703) 908-5868
   www.aamva.org http://www.aamva.org/

 At the same time, they let in a bunch of vendors of high security ID
 cards as associate members.

Well then create a High-Security ID card company, build it on the technology
I've talked about. It's fairly simple, file the paperwork to create an LLC
with you and Robyn, the LLC acquires a website, it can be co-located at your
current office location, the website talks about my technology, how it
allows the unique and secure identification of every individual, blah, blah,
blah, get a credit card issued in the correct name. They'll almost certainly
let you in, you'll look and smell like a valid alternative (without lying
because you could certainly offer the technology), if you really want to
make it look really good I'm even willing to work with you on filing a
patent, something that they'd almost certainly appreciate.

 AAMVA, the 'guardians' of our right to travel and of our identity
 records, doesn't see how listening to citizens concerned with the
 erosion of exactly those rights and records would enhance their
 mission and service.

Of course it won't, their mission and service is to offer the strongest
identity link possible in the ID cards issued nation-wide, as such the
citizen's course of action has to be to govern the states issuing these
identication papers. However, if you offer them technology to actually make
their mission and service cheaper, more effective, and as a side-benefit
better for their voters. Besides, if you can't beat them (you