Re: About Christers versus Ragheads
Neil Johnson wrote:
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> On Monday 24 March 2003 06:32 pm, Tim May wrote:
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> > can be destroyed, ushering in the the Rapture and Christ's Dominion on
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> This whole "rapture" bit always amused me.
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> Rapture isn't even mentioned in the Bible. It's all based on TWO
> (count'em TWO) verses in the New Testament.
Actually, the pre-millenialist rapture ideas have been going out of
fashion amongst so-called fundamentalist Christians for a while. The
peak of them was probably the 1970s. For the last 30 years a lot of the
"new" churches (keywords "charismatic" "Toronto Experience"
"restoration" "vineyard" etc) have reverted to the older position that
the rule of the saints can be established on Earth by everybody being
converted - which sounds just as heavy, but does mean that they think
that things can get better, so it is worth getting involved in the
world.
The rapture ideas came in as part of "dispensationalism" in the 19th
century (Google for "Scofield Reference Bible") and, even in the United
States, has probably never been the majority view amongst Christians
though it might have got pretty near it in the 60s/70s/80s ("Eve of
Destruction" (Barry McGuire became a Christian evangelist IIRC)
Ken Brown (evil lefty Christian wimp)
"Rumsfeld, Blix Barada Nikto!"
Re: About Christers versus Ragheads
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 04:32:47PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > Speaking of the Christers and their strange beliefs (about Rapture, > Tribulation, Second Coming, etc.) versus the beliefs of Muslims, I > prefer neither. As an atheist (agnostic, but only in the sense that I'm > "agnostic" that the laws of thermodynamics represent reality), I have > use for neither. > > However, the Christers seem to be much more dangerous. They are > essentially living for the next world, convinced that world war is part > of God's Plan and that the Jews in Israel must rebuild the Temple so it > can be destroyed, ushering in the the Rapture and Christ's Dominion on > Earth. > And don't forget that a large portion of the military are fundys as well. For them, this *is* a crusade. And probably little concern for the Babylonians (all followers of the anti-christ anyway) unless they convert. Remember Ann whatsername talking about invading Afghanistan and converting them all to jesus? Christianity spread, at least after the time of Constantine, by way of the sword, primarily. Certainly that was true for Europe and the new world. Millions of very sweet people were put to death in Europe who followed the old religions. In fact, the Council of Nicea even outlawed the original followers of Rabbi Yeshua ben Yoseph ha Natzri, Meesheach ha Isreal; started hunting them down and killing them off, and, by 7th Cent. AD, the "Christians", as they called themselves by then, had finished off all those who kept the original traditions as taught by the Rabbi and more or less delineated in the Gospels and Acts. Yes, if dimwit dubbya is a true fundy, as he seems to be, then Goddess help us. Things most assuredly will get very, very strange with a government this powerful in the hands of fanatics with that worldview and mindset. And look also at Asscruft -- the chief inquisitor. "Say you love Jesus -- SAY IT!" as they tighten the rack. Sigh, I must be getting old. Forgot all about Iraq/Babylon and all that. Certainly puts a different light on things, doesn't it? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com We are now in America's Darkest Hour. http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org hoka hey!
Re: About Christers versus Ragheads
On Monday 24 March 2003 06:32 pm, Tim May wrote: > can be destroyed, ushering in the the Rapture and Christ's Dominion on This whole "rapture" bit always amused me. Rapture isn't even mentioned in the Bible. It's all based on TWO (count'em TWO) verses in the New Testament. Mathew Chapter 24 vs 40 &41 (40) Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. (41) Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. That's it. And out of this (and the book of Revelations, which is about 10-12 pages WITH footnotes) we get what, 10 (No, 11!, there's another coming out in April !) books in the "Left Behind" Series. I've read a few chapters and decided I liked Stephen King's, "The Stand" better. -- Neil Johnson
About Christers versus Ragheads
Speaking of the Christers and their strange beliefs (about Rapture, Tribulation, Second Coming, etc.) versus the beliefs of Muslims, I prefer neither. As an atheist (agnostic, but only in the sense that I'm "agnostic" that the laws of thermodynamics represent reality), I have use for neither. However, the Christers seem to be much more dangerous. They are essentially living for the next world, convinced that world war is part of God's Plan and that the Jews in Israel must rebuild the Temple so it can be destroyed, ushering in the the Rapture and Christ's Dominion on Earth. That the Crusaders are annexing Babylon is fitting. May American be fucked in the ass. --Tim May "The Constitution is a radical document...it is the job of the government to rein in people's rights." --President William J. Clinton
