Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
>The whole "Cell Phones - The Next Generation" thing >has been a pure marketing scam from the beginning. Experience demonstrates that any term with "generation" in it is pure BS, technically and financially. Most advances in technology are illusions created by dumbing down of the populace. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
Bill Stewart said: > At 12:31 PM 01/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: > >I saw mention on the Yahoo news site that some health clubs and > >gyms are already taking steps to limit the types of cellphones > >allowed in the changing areas (and maybe elsewhere). > > Hey, some people get their privacy by going to places that > have Rules about the kind of video-broadcast technology that's allowed, > some people build it using Technology like cell-phone jammers, > while others of us accomplish it by having figures that > nobody's going to bother photographing :-) Unless you are being rebirthed by a home applicance. http://pics.nikita.ca/artificial-gravity/bill.jpg
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
... and they lie about it being 3G (which doesn't exist yet.) It's a CDMA2000 phone which is 3G. 3G networks exist in many parts of the world, although behind schedule in other parts. The whole "Cell Phones - The Next Generation" thing has been a pure marketing scam from the beginning. It's a popular well-funded scam that got lots of mindshare because it promised lots of people marketshare dominance or other political advantages, that they haven't executed well. But it makes a bunch of assumptions that the world can, will, and should have the same cellphone standard everywhere, and that the marketing people coming up with the term know what it is because they work for the people who are [pick hackneyed phrase here: A: the powerful beings creating the One Ringtone To Rule Them All, B: inevitably, scientific-central-planningally historically destined C: The Phone Company which is really in charge of everything D: the capitalist oligopoly conning our democratic central planners ] which everybody in the world will buy into, including manufacturers, system operators, regulators, and last and certainly least, those enthusiastic customers, and we'll all make scandalously high profits while giving consumers what we _know_ they want to pay tons of money for, because we know that the technology developers are ready to ship this stuff Real Soon Now, at the right price point, And of course, it assumes that everybody will believe that the products _these_ marketing people are trying to sell are the ones that will win, as opposed to the other technology developers who are making obviously substandard products unworthy of becoming CellPhones: TNG, and if somehow one of those other developers gets deployed in some significant market, they'll not only be stuck with some hackneyed name like "2.5G", but consumers will realize that those competing technologies are just opportunists who'll be Left Behind By Progress, so they either won't buy it or at least the wireless companies will dump it for Better Stuff Real Soon, or at least if there's more than one cell-phone company in an area, if the first one buys the 2.5G stuff, anybody else coming in with 3G can steal their customers. They're also depending on it taking long enough for 3G to get deployed and paid for and achieve World Domination that nobody's going to sneak in and call _their_ stuff 4G. In practice, the real issues seem to be how fast a data channel is available, with the interesting values being 9600, 56k, 384k, 2M, how much spectrum space gets burned supporting it, how much distance you get for the voice and data cells, which standards interfere with which other standards, whether voice gets handled as something special or as data, whether data gets handled as something special like WAP or left as open-standard IP with TCP or UDP and HTTP, with or without being forced through filters or able to be sent through optional filters, how to integrate data transmission with texting (e.g. texting using ad-hoc telco standards or internet standards), how much jitter the data has (low values make VOIP possible), who's in charge of each of these services, which is to say "who gets how much of the money, if any", and how to get teenagers to have to buy it to be cool. These aren't the kind of things that easily fit into one linear range of values, and doing so is marketing scam.
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
At 11:39 PM 01/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: Hardly Brinworld. And T-Mobile has had it for awhile. Why is warmed-over technology news given headlines? Because all of us phone company stockholders hope maybe warmed-over headlines will get them to buy the stuff this time? Less cynically, though, some of the newer technology is making this a bit more practical - data speeds on cell phones are getting fast enough that if they've designed the phones right, you can get at least CU-SeeMe quality video and maybe better, with 64kbps, and ostensibly 384kbps which lets you do a bit better than just talking heads video, as opposed to most of the earlier cellphones-with-still-cameras. (Of course, if they're charging you by the minute, you're not likely to do much of this, though some of the cellphone companies have figured out that they really should be selling flat-rate data.) But it's a start.
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
At 12:31 PM 01/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: I saw mention on the Yahoo news site that some health clubs and gyms are already taking steps to limit the types of cellphones allowed in the changing areas (and maybe elsewhere). Hey, some people get their privacy by going to places that have Rules about the kind of video-broadcast technology that's allowed, some people build it using Technology like cell-phone jammers, while others of us accomplish it by having figures that nobody's going to bother photographing :-)
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
On Tuesday, Jan 14, 2003, at 07:56 Europe/London, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Tim May wrote: Samsung unveil new 3G camcorder phone http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/jan_03/news_2906.shtml Hardly Brinworld. And T-Mobile has had it for awhile. Why is warmed-over technology news given headlines? Because Samsung are trying to sell phones. ... and they lie about it being 3G (which doesn't exist yet.) It's a CDMA2000 phone which is 3G. 3G networks exist in many parts of the world, although behind schedule in other parts. -- Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3G Phones (was: Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone)
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Steve Mynott wrote: > > ... and they lie about it being 3G (which doesn't exist yet.) > > It's a CDMA2000 phone which is 3G. > > 3G networks exist in many parts of the world, although behind schedule > in other parts. Hmm. I actually can't find any specs on that phone's max speed. The CDMA2000 service being offered by Sprint and Verison in the US does not meet the criteria for 3G. CDMA2000 1x as defined by the ITU is, a 3G standard. Keep in mind, however, that in order to be 3G by the ITU definition, a standard needs to deliver data rates of a minimum of 144 Kbps. The top speed I've seen advertised for CDMA2000 deployments is 70 Kbps. Is CDMA2000 being used outside North America? I thought GSM/GPRS was the dominant standard in Europe and Asia. (GPRS is never 3G.) -MW-
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:49 AM, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 01:38 AM 1/14/03 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: data speeds on cell phones are getting fast enough that if they've designed the phones right, you can get at least CU-SeeMe quality video and maybe better, with 64kbps, and ostensibly 384kbps But it's a start. Its pretty common to see a "reporter" holding a cell phone up to a talking head surrounded by more conventional microphones, tape recorders. When a major news medium first uses a video snip recorded from a phone at the scene, the Brinworld clock will have advanced another second. And then some Nokia yahoo will introduce some more interesting features that used to be found in $10K specialized video/recording equiptment * snap a frame if something moves (security) * FIFO the last N seconds * low light/IR/frame accumulate etc. making the 7segment LED Brinworld clock blick closer to midnight. I saw mention on the Yahoo news site that some health clubs and gyms are already taking steps to limit the types of cellphones allowed in the changing areas (and maybe elsewhere). --Tim May
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 02:09 PM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: --- begin forwarded text Status: RO Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:40:28 -0500 To: undisclosed-recipient:; From: Monty Solomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone Samsung unveil new 3G camcorder phone http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/jan_03/news_2906.shtml Hardly Brinworld. And T-Mobile has had it for awhile. Why is warmed-over technology news given headlines? --Tim May
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Tim May wrote: > > Samsung unveil new 3G camcorder phone > > http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/jan_03/news_2906.shtml > > Hardly Brinworld. And T-Mobile has had it for awhile. > > Why is warmed-over technology news given headlines? ... and they lie about it being 3G (which doesn't exist yet.) -MW-
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
At 01:38 AM 1/14/03 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: > data speeds on cell phones are >getting fast enough that if they've designed the phones right, >you can get at least CU-SeeMe quality video and maybe better, >with 64kbps, and ostensibly 384kbps >But it's a start. Its pretty common to see a "reporter" holding a cell phone up to a talking head surrounded by more conventional microphones, tape recorders. When a major news medium first uses a video snip recorded from a phone at the scene, the Brinworld clock will have advanced another second. And then some Nokia yahoo will introduce some more interesting features that used to be found in $10K specialized video/recording equiptment * snap a frame if something moves (security) * FIFO the last N seconds * low light/IR/frame accumulate etc. making the 7segment LED Brinworld clock blick closer to midnight.
