Re: Photos in transport plane of prisoners: Time for eJazeera?
On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: A full police state can't prevent anything, it can just make some things less common. For example, samizdat in the USSR still got copied and passed around. Drug use is a problem in US prisons. Etc. that kind of info can be limited by simply shooting everyone who was close enough to take pictures. No other military personell are going to risk taking more. Drugs are different than info. there's real cash transfered, so guards can quadruple their paychecks in a week. But maybe that's a hint on how to keep info flowing :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: Photos in transport plane of prisoners: Time for eJazeera?
Any wide-dissemination system must be distributed. Usenet used to fill this role, but due to aggregation of major nodes and feeds it is not that any more. Anything on the web has fixed pointers and already is or soon will be become chokable. I'd be surprised if there is no development in progress to install real time packet sniffin' and droppin' silicon on major exchange nodes, remotely loaded with patterns that identify the undesireables. Suddenly you get disappeared and invisible. Forget crypto and stego - it's not happening for the critical mass. Bootleg entertainment exchange P2P software offers some window, but it is progressively being hamstringed with TOS agreements and upcoming metered access (pay per Gb), and once freebies are gone, how many will bother to maintain and develop P2P networks for the old fashioned purpose of political activism ? We need to look beyond internet as it is today. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2
Re: Photos in transport plane of prisoners: Time for eJazeera?
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 08:10:22PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: | As long as there are people in the military who are willing and able to | inform us on what they are *really* doing, we actually can feel pretty | comfortable with their missions. It's gonna take a full polilce state | to prevent the dissemination of this kind of info. A full police state can't prevent anything, it can just make some things less common. For example, samizdat in the USSR still got copied and passed around. Drug use is a problem in US prisons. Etc. Adam -- It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. -Hume
Re: Photos in transport plane of prisoners: Time for eJazeera?
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Specific use-cases can be written: the GI who took the picture; the photo-developer-tech who kept copies; the bored netop who intercepted the pix; an activist who is under insert type surveillance. Anyone interested? And what does it mean (if anything) to do this within the context of the Cypherpunk list? Dis be da place, at least for talk :-) If you can actually build links between service personell and the public, you don't need a document that says how to do shit. You use what ya got and ship the best you can do out to the real world. As long as there are people in the military who are willing and able to inform us on what they are *really* doing, we actually can feel pretty comfortable with their missions. It's gonna take a full polilce state to prevent the dissemination of this kind of info. Having known safe places and methods to send the info so the sender is always anonyomous is hard. Trash bags in parks isn't such a bad method :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: Photos in transport plane of prisoners: Time for eJazeera?
Here's the URL, I haven't noticed it in this message thread yet: http://www.artbell.com/letters88.html -- gbn On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 08:32:18PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: The subject line says it all, if one remembers Variola's clever dare. As far as I'm concerned, this big brother bullshit should work two ways: any tyrrany should expect that any public actions will make it onto the net somewhere. Of course, one day they'll probably begin a set of countermoves, but think of it like a chess match. ...
Re: Photos in transport plane of prisoners: Time for eJazeera?
At 08:32 PM 11/9/02 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: So I'm still playing with the idea of a publically-accessible document that outlines the strategies, technologies, aims and requirements for somehow uploading images and data to public repositorioes. Such a document should enumerate the threat model and describe how each threat is resisted, or not. Specific use-cases can be written: the GI who took the picture; the photo-developer-tech who kept copies; the bored netop who intercepted the pix; an activist who is under insert type surveillance. Anyone interested? And what does it mean (if anything) to do this within the context of the Cypherpunk list? Dis be da place, at least for talk :-)
Photos in transport plane of prisoners: Time for eJazeera?
The subject line says it all, if one remembers Variola's clever dare. As far as I'm concerned, this big brother bullshit should work two ways: any tyrrany should expect that any public actions will make it onto the net somewhere. Of course, one day they'll probably begin a set of countermoves, but think of it like a chess match. So I'm still playing with the idea of a publically-accessible document that outlines the strategies, technologies, aims and requirements for somehow uploading images and data to public repositorioes. (DAMN I'm typing like shit...must be that Chimay beer I was drinking.) The most obvious target app is large public demonstrations where video/film is likely to be confiscated. Anyone interested? And what does it mean (if anything) to do this within the context of the Cypherpunk list? And if there's interest, how do we proceed? As an engineer (well, until very recently!), a drill-down approach seems good: Start with an outline (I can take a stab at that), and then after the outline is agreed upon, send out the sections for various individuals to work. After the first draft of the document is finished, then the whole thing is somehow re-worked by all concerned. Of course, I would think it's not necessary for everyone to agree on every section or every word...different sections can contain contradicotory information...I see no real problem with that, except if PR is a consideration (in the end, this should be basically a cookbook...the users can decide upon which recipes thery want to use). Oh, and open issues are perfectly fine, and if well-identified can be a strength to a document. Of course, when I look at this email later I may regret that I sent it out before coming down from the Belgian high. I'm hoping, however, that this will be because I started a ball rolling that SHOULD be rolling, and that I would have not set to rolling had it not been for the good ole' Chimay trappists. So now to click the send button and YAH! From: Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Anonymity, Blacknet, Mil secrecy] Photos in transport plane of prisoners Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:52:06 -0800 Note that the Cypherpunks Image/Postscript Document Examination Laboratories should be able to amplify some of the (US; the unPOWs are black-bagged) faces in the pix.. Pentagon Seeks Source of Photos By PAULINE JELINEK Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP)--The Pentagon was investigating Friday to find out who took and released photographs of terror suspects as they were being transported in heavy restraints aboard a U.S. military plane. Four photographs of prisoners--handcuffed, heads covered with black hoods and bound with straps on the floor of a plane _ appeared overnight on the Web site of radio talk show host Art Bell. ``Anonymous mailer sends us photos taken inside a military C-130 transporting POWS,'' the headline said. http://www.ocnow.com/news/newsfd/shared/news/ap/ap_story.html/Washington/AP.V7764.AP-Guantanamo-Pris.html _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
