Re: Among the Bourgeoisophobes

2002-04-11 Thread Gil Hamilton

F. Marc de Piolenc forwards:

Among the Bourgeoisophobes
Why  the  Europeans and Arabs, each in their own way, hate America and
Israel.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/102gwtnf.asp

While it drops off into a bit of jingoism near the end, the first three
quarters of this essay is spot on and expresses well the ideas I've
held about Muslim terrorists for a long time.  Also, it eloquently puts
the lie to the notion that those terrorists attacked the WTC because
they hate freedom.  It may be true that they hate freedom in some
narrow sense, but it misses the point: what they really hate is the
godless, arrogant, materialistic, undeserved (etc. from the article)
appearance communicated by the exports of our culture.  It is this
hatred of the perception of our culture that is misinterpreted (by
shallow and jingoistic analysts on *our* side) as they just hate our
freedom.

Which leads me to a couple of other comments.  The additional security
restrictions imposed on Americans since 9/11 clearly play right into
their hands.  No doubt it's very satisfying to bin Laden that he's put
the infidel Americans to huge additional inconvenience and
substantially decreased their liberties.  (Again, though, it isn't
primarily liberty itself that he hates, but the cultural exports that
flow from the western version of it.)

Also, it isn't only the Americans and Israelis that are so regarded -
other western nations are ultimately targets as well -- but the
Americans and Israelis are seen as by far the most egregious examples.
Or, in other words, we'll bring down Britain, Germany and the rest
after we dispose of the Americans and Israelis.  (Though perhaps France 
will escape being a target - the French seem to be born with an innate 
bourgeoisophobia, manifesting itself in such silliness as their
government's continual attempts to prevent their language from being
corrupted by English imports.)

Another point well made here is the notion that American left-wing
intellectuals and politicians, as well as right-wing fundamentalists
and their politicians, all fall into this same boat.  The left-wingers
- from Chomskyites to Kennedy/Clinton/Gore liberals - think they need
to protect us from our crass obsession with the pursuit of wealth and
our selfishness, while the right-wingers - from Falwell and Pat
Robertson to more mainstream Republicans - think we've been consumed
by licentiousness and immorality and that they need to force us to go
back to church.

To those of us who admire all types of liberty, it shows why we need
to keep sticking fingers into the eyes of both sides, or
monkeywrenching, as Tim puts it.

At the same time, none of this justifies many of the arrogant and
inflammatory actions taken by our government which serve as irritants
to the bourgeoisophobes and ultimately give them justification for
their hatred and their retaliation.  For example, why do we give
billions of dollars every year to Israel?  We get little or no benefit
from it, while it antagonizes the hell out of many Arabs.

- GH (preaching to the choir again)


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Re: Among the Bourgeoisophobes

2002-04-11 Thread John Young

Frederick Kagan, a historian at the US Military Academy,
argued in a talk recently that the US needs to:

More than double its defense expenditures; 

Ignore the Europeans and other allies due to their military 
ineffectuality and insufficient defense budgets;

Prepare for long-term US military dominance of the world;

Accept that the US will have to combat enemies more or 
less on its own;

Reduce governmental spending for non-national security 
services;

Accept that war is never going away or diminish but evolve
into unprecedented forms;

Beef up HUMINT and decrease reliance upon intelligence 
analysis which cannot process the flood of data acquired by
non-human means;

Increase foreign aid to relieve the problems which lead to 
easy recruitment for anti-American movements;

Not count on the Air Force and Navy for wars of the future -- 
which will not be primarily with enemies which are not
defeatable by air and sea; 

Destroy any nation which provides a base for terrorism.

Understand that ground troops are the only way to secure 
lasting peace;

Professor Kagan said that he graduated as a Soviet
specialist just as the Cold War ended and had to quickly
develop a new specialty: advancing the cause of the US 
Army as if the survival of the United States hinged on it.

The audience applauded Kagan's candor when he said I
assume since all of you are Princeton graduates you
work for large corporations. And large corporations do
not respond well to criticism or cut-backs, in fact, they
become less effective when resources are withdrawn
and long-established methods are challenged. Members
become fearful and even more ineffective under duress.

Kagan said, what needs to be done to ineffective large 
organizations is to provide them with more resources and 
affirmation of how they have long done things. This will 
reassure the corporations' members that they are 
appreciated, will boost their morale and confidence, and 
increase the quality of their output.

Kagan said many of the United States' foreign policy
failures are traceable to the Democrats, then paused,
and said, you know I mean Clinton and Clinton's
holdovers in government who continue to argue for
cut backs in defense spending in favor of more support
for domestic programs. This is clearly wrong, Kagan 
said, and only fools believe the enemy is not at home. 




RE: Among the Bourgeoisophobes

2002-04-11 Thread Trei, Peter

Can you give a cite?
Peter Trei

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 Frederick Kagan, a historian at the US Military Academy,
 argued in a talk recently that the US needs to:
 
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RE: Among the Bourgeoisophobes

2002-04-11 Thread John Young

Frederick Kagan spoke at the Princeton Club, New York City,
Tuesday evening, April 9, 2002.


http://www.princetonclub.com

American Heritage Lecture Series -- Special Guest 
Frederick W. Kagan

After September 11: Terrorism and the Enduring Bases of 
American Defense Strategy

Details:

Join us for a stimulating and provocative discussion as Frederick W.
Kagan, Associate Professor of military history at the U.S. Military
Academy at West Point, and author of While America Sleeps:
Self-Delusion, Military Weakness, and the Threat to Peace Today,
examines our countrys military and defense strategies and how they
contributed to the devastations of September 11.

According to Professor Kagan, United States military and defense
strategies of the 1990s were always wrong and must be fundamentally
reoriented, not only to protect us from the obvious danger of terrorism
but to strengthen our ability to respond to other, perhaps even graver,
threats to our national security. (Professor Kagans talk will present his
own personal views and not those of the United States military or West
Point).

This event is co-sponsored with the Association for the American
Founding and its Legacy, an organization of CUNY faculty members
created to encourage study and appreciation of the unique cultural and
intellectual heritage of the United States.

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Re: Among the Bourgeoisophobes

2002-04-11 Thread keyser-soze

[We can propable expect a new Operation Northwoods from Kagan, et al soon]

Frederick Kagan, a historian at the US Military Academy,
argued in a talk recently that the US needs to:

More than double its defense expenditures; 

Ignore the Europeans and other allies due to their military 
ineffectuality and insufficient defense budgets;

Prepare for long-term US military dominance of the world;

...

Kagan said many of the United States' foreign policy
failures are traceable to the Democrats, then paused,
and said, you know I mean Clinton and Clinton's
holdovers in government who continue to argue for
cut backs in defense spending in favor of more support
for domestic programs. This is clearly wrong, Kagan 
said, and only fools believe the enemy is not at home. 

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