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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Nomen Nescio wrote: On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz. What about mixminion? Setting up a node is about five minutes of work on a somewhat current Linux system. I began to implement a mixminion system just before it's release, and got sidetracked by paying work :-/ From what little time I spent on the prerelease, it was already a big improvement in installation, although to be honest, I never got a chance to look closely enough at it to have comfort as to any protocol changes (I believe there were some?). I still have that mixm box sitting in the rack, waiting for me to get off my lazy ass and play with it: I will try and make that a priority during january. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
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-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz. What about mixminion? Setting up a node is about five minutes of work on a somewhat current Linux system. -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-
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At 02:29 PM 12/11/2004, James A. Donald wrote: If Afghanistan was subject to US jurisdiction, it would not have a bumper opium crop. If Saudi Arabia was subject to US jurisdiction, they would not be funding terrorism. [...] The reason that taliban caught in Afghanistan, and people with the wrong accent caught in Afghanistan, tend to wind up in Guantanamo Bay is not because Afghan warlords are taking orders from US overlords, it is because Afghan warlords are fighting a holy war against the same people who are our enemies. But the Taliban were the US warlords' *friends*. After all, that's why the US paid them $43m for doing such a great job in their holy war against opium farmers. Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, James A. Donald wrote: If Afghanistan was subject to US jurisdiction, it would not have a bumper opium crop. This assumes that the US wants the opium trade stopped. Be serious. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
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-- James A. Donald: The reason that taliban caught in Afghanistan, and people with the wrong accent caught in Afghanistan, tend to wind up in Guantanamo Bay is not because Afghan warlords are taking orders from US overlords, it is because Afghan warlords are fighting a holy war against the same people who are our enemies. Bill Stewart: But the Taliban were the US warlords' *friends* Learn some history. The current holy war was going at a slow burn even during the war against the Soviet Union. Once the Soviet Union fell back, any pretense of alliance was dropped, and the flames were in plain sight. These terrorists have been bugging various muslims they deem insufficiently muslim long before they were bugging the west. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG wUajaZLtoiBjJKFNy8BqbXfYOsgcNOgbhUPRDpeN 4bqrDBnbVHsw8K/4rUF8UkC0k60jpoqzZoKNYpz03
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-- On 9 Dec 2004 at 19:47, Joseph Ashwood wrote: In short, except for those few people who have some use for MixMaster, MixMaster was stillborn. As one of those few people who have had some use for Mixmaster, it does not seem stillborn to me. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG Ro+kP9M7vm+5D5reA+LsRnc0ZS0gmtCx5gMXfF1C 4b44ZbduosEwPf20ABp+i55nWmvT0qNthPt1OryTC
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-- On 10 Dec 2004 at 6:53, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Name a place which is not subject to US juridiction? Ok, Iran, N Kr, until we pull a regime change (tm) on them. Yeah, they have a lot of 'net bandwidth, right. If Afghanistan was subject to US jurisdiction, it would not have a bumper opium crop. If Saudi Arabia was subject to US jurisdiction, they would not be funding terrorism. If Israel was subject to US jurisdiction, they would be less cavalier about murdering American trouble makers. The reason that taliban caught in Afghanistan, and people with the wrong accent caught in Afghanistan, tend to wind up in Guantanamo Bay is not because Afghan warlords are taking orders from US overlords, it is because Afghan warlords are fighting a holy war against the same people who are our enemies. Similarly Sistani is busily subverting the US favored parties in Iraq, at the same time he is busily subverting US enemies in Iran. He has his own agenda, which on some matters agrees with the US agenda, and others contradicts the US agenda. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 2c9x3EgsLT44LpYQQUlGud/yFuYB783XVxKtOPRY 4FmUuq0u9cIG0iHSOk5xjllcON90ZXsAI+IcJG7X8
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On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 06:39:13AM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: I agree, with the additional constraint that mix functionality piggyback with a more popular feature. Most folks won't install even the most benign, easy to use mixer; but include a mix server in a jazzy IM or next-gen napster program, and you get deployed. The major advantage of massive rollout is speedy traffic remixing on the local loop, which requires a high occupation density in address space. The advantages are ~realtime, reliable traffic remixing. Can you use UDP broadcast on cable or xDSL? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpnCct154nke.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: Can you use UDP broadcast on cable or xDSL? Completely provider dependent. For instance, I have SWB DSL as my work provider, and (AFAICT) am free to use whatever I want. My home cable connection prohibits any standard form of traceroute, but allows pings and UDP... Move across town, and everything changes. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
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And don't forget...Spam is a good thing as long as it doesn't clog the Mixmaster bandwidth. -TD From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: punkly current events Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:19:26 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders. I disagree. Except for the early days, spammers have been little more than a low volume nuisance on Mix. What killed mix was it's complexity - Joe Blow can't figure out how to use it, and new reops have a hell of a time getting a node running (with pingers and other required tools). Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
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On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 06:53:26AM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Name a place which is not subject to US juridiction? Ok, Iran, N Kr, Most places outside US which are not banana republics. I'm living in one. until we pull a regime change (tm) on them. Yeah, they have a lot of 'net bandwidth, right. And if extradition isn't happening fast enough, we'll send a DEA agent or snatch-und-grab specops to kidnap them. What, all this to shut down a remop? Could as well reprogram one of these aging ICBMs... Hegemony isn't just for breakfast anymore. If you think you're not under Bush's boot, you just haven't pissed him off enough, yet. Which threat model? Individual remop, a country, a bloc? Last time I looked US deficit was well on the way to turn thalers into Soviet-era paper. It is somewhat hard to posture as a world hegemon if everybody knows you're only operating because every significant investor is propping you up, since running danger of losing their entire investment (in for a penny...). If it's going to give, it's going to be a landslide. Of course, then the entire house of cards is going to crash down, which would suck. It could even bring down the tigers/dragons, though they probably have enough own momentum by now. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpu8T86VQjty.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders. I disagree. Except for the early days, spammers have been little more than a low volume nuisance on Mix. What killed mix was it's complexity - Joe Blow can't figure out how to use it, and new reops have a hell of a time getting a node running (with pingers and other required tools). Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
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- Original Message - From: Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: punkly current events If the Klan doesn't have a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will survive? Well besides the misinterprettaion of the ruling, which I will ignore, what makes you think MixMaster isn't already dead? MixMaster is only being used by a small percentage of individuals. Those individuals like to claim that everyone should send everything anonymously, when in truth communication cannot happen with anonymity, and trust cannot be built anonymously. This leaves MixMaster as only being useful for a small percentage of normal people, and those using it to prevent being identified as they communicate with other known individuals. The result of this is rather the opposite of what MixMaster is supposed to create. A small group to investigate for any actions which are illegal, or deemed worth investigating. In fact it is arguable that for a new face in action it is probably easier to get away with the actions in question to send the information in the clear to their compatriots than it is to use MixMaster, simply because being a part of the group using MixMaster immediately flags them, as potential problems. In short, except for those few people who have some use for MixMaster, MixMaster was stillborn. I'm not arguing whether such a situation should be the correct way things happened, but that is the way things happened. Joe
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: And don't forget...Spam is a good thing as long as it doesn't clog the Mixmaster bandwidth. No, it's not. There are other things that can produce the same cover effects: cron jobs or daemons that fire off random chaff work just as well, without the mess of allowing UCE. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
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At 01:19 PM 12/10/04 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: I disagree. Except for the early days, spammers have been little more than a low volume nuisance on Mix. What killed mix was it's complexity - Joe Blow can't figure out how to use it, and new reops have a hell of a time getting a node running (with pingers and other required tools). Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz. I agree, with the additional constraint that mix functionality piggyback with a more popular feature. Most folks won't install even the most benign, easy to use mixer; but include a mix server in a jazzy IM or next-gen napster program, and you get deployed.
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On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 06:33:09PM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Someone should have commented here, so I will, that some judges (earning hanging) basically said that anonymity is not a right. This in the context of mask-wearing in public. If the Klan doesn't have a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will survive? Because nodes are not geographically constrained to US jurisdiction? If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpyFCnk2cDda.pgp Description: PGP signature
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At 11:13 AM 12/10/04 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: Because nodes are not geographically constrained to US jurisdiction? Name a place which is not subject to US juridiction? Ok, Iran, N Kr, until we pull a regime change (tm) on them. Yeah, they have a lot of 'net bandwidth, right. Some of the ex-soviets perhaps, only because the rubles / threats from the mafia exceed the rubles from the USG. Otherwise our advisors will help you Round Up your local cash crops, you how to shoot down missionaries, teach you how to gore an election. Even the chinese want trade enough to pander and are not unwilling to enforce a police state. Meanwhile all your Pakis are belong to u$ (except for those that don't, but hide the fact and um Sheik Yerbouti). And if extradition isn't happening fast enough, we'll send a DEA agent or snatch-und-grab specops to kidnap them. Hegemony isn't just for breakfast anymore. If you think you're not under Bush's boot, you just haven't pissed him off enough, yet.
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Eugen Leitl You could claim your machine was infected with mixmaster malware, or something. Now that would be an interesting worm - one which, instead of installing a spamalator, installed a remailer and posted public keys and contact info to usenet. (Disclaimer: No, I don't do things like that). Peter
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On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 06:01:25AM -0500, Gabriel Rocha wrote: The latter statement my well be true, I don't use the network, nor know the ratios of good/bad traffic. But I am very curious to find out what I don't have data either. I'm guessing the bad traffic part is 95-98%. (I'm extrapolating from absence, as the only responses to the abuse address were people harassed by idiots). would be considered geographically safe jurisdictions in this sense. Not just today, but given the general trend, where would you see such a jurisdition being found in a year or five or ten? While there is a distinct trend in NA, EU and elsewhere to try to snoop, and to control, it's not obvious the development is permanent, and irreversible. P2P traffic in general is increasing, and trivial remixing and encryption is becoming more and more widespread (arrr!). Spam and malware traffic also increases the noise level. You could claim your machine was infected with mixmaster malware, or something. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpi8stvkmwpi.pgp Description: PGP signature
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At 6:33 PM -0800 12/9/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: If the Klan doesn't have a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will survive? Which was me point, mutters Killick, under his breath... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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On Dec 10 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: | | Because nodes are not geographically constrained to US jurisdiction? | | If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders. The latter statement my well be true, I don't use the network, nor know the ratios of good/bad traffic. But I am very curious to find out what would be considered geographically safe jurisdictions in this sense. Not just today, but given the general trend, where would you see such a jurisdition being found in a year or five or ten?
