[czernowitz-l] Death of (Salome) Felicia Baker (née Horn)

[Daniel Baker]

Dear friends,

I wanted to let you know that on April 17, my grandmother (Salome) Felicia
Baker (née Horn) died after a short illness at the age of 91. She was born
on January 27, 1932 in Czernowitz to Benno and Anna Horn (née Spieler). She
survived deportation to Transnistria and Bershad, although her father died
in the typhus epidemic of winter 42/43. After the war she, along with her
mother and sister Selma, walked back to Czernowitz, sleeping in barns along
the way. She eventually immigrated to Australia after spending time in
Bucharest and Paris. In Australia she married Neville Baker (Bialistocky,
from Baranovicz, now Belarus) and had 2 children, who themselves had 5
grandchildren, all of whom carry the legacy of Czernowitz with them.

She always remembered Czernowitz as a place of both great beauty and great
trauma. On the one hand, she recalled the cultured, German atmosphere in
which she grew up, where literature and theatre were an integral part of
life. On the other hand, she never forgot the deep antisemitism of her
Romanian neighbours or the burning of the Great Synagogue, which she
recalled being forced to watch from the street. One of the few experiences
of the war she shared was that, when her family arrived at the Bug, the
Romanians wanted to send them across the river into German-occupied
territory. Her mother was able to bribe the soldiers with diamonds she had
sown into her dress, and thus the family was sent to Transnistria instead.

She will be deeply missed. Not only was she a loving grandmother, but she
was a living link with the past and with Czernowitz and it’s legacy in
particular.

Kind regards,

Daniel Ari Baker
(Geneva, Switzerland)
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B.A., LL.B. (Hons) (Melb), LL.M. (NYU), Grad. Dip. Int'l Cust. L. (Canb.)

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Re: [czernowitz-l] On the Situation in Czernowitz: "A more or less safe place"

[Daniel Baker]

Thank you Edgar for these beautiful photos of Czernowitz!

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 11:10 AM Edgar Hauster  wrote:

> Czernowitzers, dear friends,
>
> Florian Kührer-Wielach, the Director of the IKGS at
> Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität Munich, points us to an interview with Ph.D.
> student Oleksandr Sushinsky from Czernowitz:
>
> https://youtu.be/J54wwH2ImT4
>
> https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Z5KmGHBQdtZcmQvrxjhTL?si=4_ljXrUVSnuo6Fn5dEjZYA
>
> Oleksandr, originally from Donetsk, has lived in Czernowitz for seven
> years and tells us [in English] about the efforts of civil society to cope
> with the challenges of the imposed aggressive war.
>
> On a side note, donations following the IKGS appeal [
> https://www.ikgs.de/bukowinahilfe] add up, as of 08-Mar-2022 to EUR
> 69.646,00 = USD 76,611.00. Wow!
>
> Long, long ago, in much better times, my friend, Dr. Sergiy Osatchuk, then
> Head of the History Research Department of the Bukovina Center at Yuri
> Fedkovich University of Chernivtsi, gave me access to the Chernivtsi City
> Hall Tower.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.de/clouddrive/share/lk45x2mJFZSWI9rXrU3i8w0dIVqNjEkwq64FVtSHKlF
>
> Later Sergiy was Honorary Consul of Austria in Ukraine and today he is
> Governor of the Czernowitz Oblast [Province]. In this capacity, he gave a
> television interview [in German] from Chernivtsi on ...:
>
> https://youtu.be/iBYiG2TEKMM
>
> On the Situation in Czernowitz: "A more or less safe place"? - Who knows,
> we'll have to see! Stand with Ukraine!
>
> Edgar Hauster [MacBook]
>
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Re: [czernowitz-l] Donate to Czernowitz Jewish Community- Chabad

[Daniel Baker]

Thanks so much Sasha for sharing these details! Much appreciated.

Best wishes,

Daniel

On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 04:16, SASHA WOLLOCH  wrote:

> Hello Daniel and all Czernowitz List friends,
>
> I have been in communication with Zoya today. She could not take refuge
> abroad as her son who is in poor health is of military service age and
> could not have left  with her.
> Zoya has taken into her small house in Sadagura a family of refugees from
> eastern Ukraine.
> If you wish to help Zoya you can send her funds directly via Western Union.
> Address to: Zorema Zoya  Georgievna Danilovich
> 4 Yunatska Str., Chernivtsi,Ukraine,58025
> Phone:+380 503747244
>
> You can let her know the transfer tracking number via email to :
> welcome.z...@ukr.net
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Best,
> Sasha Wolloch
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:53 AM Daniel Baker 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> For those who have been in touch with Zoya, do you know if there's
>> anything we can do to help her specifically? Does she have any current
>> needs concerning housing, food, clothes, etc? I met her quite a few years
>> ago now, but she was a truly wonderful guide and I'd love to support her
>> directly if possible.
>>
>> Thanks so much,
>>
>> Daniel Ari Baker
>> Geneva, Switzerland
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 9:25 AM Edgar Hauster 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Sasha,
>>>
>>> Done! Thank you so much for the opportunity to make a donation to
>>> Czernowitz with a special focus on the needs of the Jewish Community in
>>> town.  We are looking forward to the beginning of this week with great
>>> concern!
>>>
>>> Warmest wishes!
>>>
>>> Edgar Hauster [MacBook]
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: bounce-126385676-8322...@list.cornell.edu <
>>> bounce-126385676-8322...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of SASHA WOLLOCH <
>>> sashaw...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 01:29
>>> To: 2GEUSNY SAD Czernowitz Discussion Group
>>> Subject: [czernowitz-l] Donate to Czernowitz Jewish Community- Chabad
>>>
>>> Dear Czernowitz List friends,
>>>
>>> Over the last ten days I have been in frequent contact with Rav Mendel
>>> Glisnshtayn, the leader of the Chabad synagogue and community in
>>> Chernivtsi. Although there is no active fighting going on the situation in
>>> town is very tense. There are many refugees who have arrived with
>>> practically nothing from eastern Ukraine and who are asking for  assistance
>>> from  the local Jewish community.
>>>
>>> I have also corresponded with Zoya Danilovitch, who is the tour guide
>>> who over many years has guided  many of us when we have visited Czernowitz.
>>> Zoya is writing ;" Everything that is going on is a nightmare.What will
>>> happen to us? I hope we will survive and our beautiful city will not be
>>> destroyed".
>>>
>>> If you would like to contribute and help you can make your donations at :
>>>
>>> https://fjc-fsu.org/centers/chernivtsy/#donate_gravity_form
>>>
>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Sasha Wolloch
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [czernowitz-l] Donate to Czernowitz Jewish Community- Chabad

[Daniel Baker]

Hi everyone,

For those who have been in touch with Zoya, do you know if there's anything
we can do to help her specifically? Does she have any current needs
concerning housing, food, clothes, etc? I met her quite a few years ago
now, but she was a truly wonderful guide and I'd love to support her
directly if possible.

Thanks so much,

Daniel Ari Baker
Geneva, Switzerland

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 9:25 AM Edgar Hauster  wrote:

> Dear Sasha,
>
> Done! Thank you so much for the opportunity to make a donation to
> Czernowitz with a special focus on the needs of the Jewish Community in
> town.  We are looking forward to the beginning of this week with great
> concern!
>
> Warmest wishes!
>
> Edgar Hauster [MacBook]
>
> 
> From: bounce-126385676-8322...@list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-126385676-8322...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of SASHA WOLLOCH <
> sashaw...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 01:29
> To: 2GEUSNY SAD Czernowitz Discussion Group
> Subject: [czernowitz-l] Donate to Czernowitz Jewish Community- Chabad
>
> Dear Czernowitz List friends,
>
> Over the last ten days I have been in frequent contact with Rav Mendel
> Glisnshtayn, the leader of the Chabad synagogue and community in
> Chernivtsi. Although there is no active fighting going on the situation in
> town is very tense. There are many refugees who have arrived with
> practically nothing from eastern Ukraine and who are asking for  assistance
> from  the local Jewish community.
>
> I have also corresponded with Zoya Danilovitch, who is the tour guide who
> over many years has guided  many of us when we have visited Czernowitz.
> Zoya is writing ;" Everything that is going on is a nightmare.What will
> happen to us? I hope we will survive and our beautiful city will not be
> destroyed".
>
> If you would like to contribute and help you can make your donations at :
>
> https://fjc-fsu.org/centers/chernivtsy/#donate_gravity_form
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> All the best,
>
> Sasha Wolloch
>
> 
> 
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Re: [czernowitz-l] Romanian citizenship

[Daniel Baker]

Dear all,

Just to add my experiences, I applied for Romanian citizenship in mid-2018
based on my grandmother's birth in Czernowitz. I had official, certified
records from the Czernowitz archives confirming that her birth is
registered in the Cznernowitz birth registry. After 2.5 years of waiting,
the authorities informed me that this document is now considered
insufficient proof, due to an increase in (allegedly) fraudulent documents
from Ukraine and Russia. I was informed that I need a birth extract from
the Czernowitz city hall (why this would be less subject to fraud than the
documents from the city archive was not explained). However, a Ukrainian
lawyer I retained to help me informed that in most cases the Ukrainian
local authorities do not issue birth extracts for persons born during the
Romanian period. So although I am still pushing ahead, it seems that there
is a big loop-hole in the citizenship laws making it very difficult to
obtain or reclaim citizenship.

Best wishes,

Daniel Ari Baker
Geneva, Switzerland

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:56 PM Nomy Weber  wrote:

> To all compatriotes
> I was born in Czernowitz in 1945. Since 1962 I have been living in Israel.
> I tried to obtain it in Ukraine  but without result. I tried also in
> Radautz where we lived until 1962 but it was not found. Unfortunately are
> not better
> With regards,
> Mrs Nomy(Nana) WEBER-KORN
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 8:35 PM Daniel Dubowy  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> My father was born in Czernowitz in 1908 and he had a birth certificate
>> issued then and there (in German).
>>
>>
>>
>> He lived however in Romania from 1918 until 1981, when he moved to
>> Germany.
>>
>> While in Romania, he was issued at some point a Romanian birth
>> certificate by the Romanian authorities and that is the document he had
>> used while there. How this was done I have no idea but I suppose that
>> anyone who lived in Romania and had Romanian citizenship, had to be able to
>> present a Romanian birth certificate when required.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not sure how this worked before 1945 as opposed to after 1945.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* bounce-126256106-3499...@list.cornell.edu <
>> bounce-126256106-3499...@list.cornell.edu> *On Behalf Of *Berti Glaubach
>> *Sent:* 24-Jan-22 4:28 AM
>> *To:* RUTH GOLD 
>> *Cc:* Czernowitz Group via cornell server 
>> *Subject:* Re: [czernowitz-l] Romanian citizenship
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Ruth,
>>
>> If you are born in Czernowitz, the place to find your birth certificate
>> is not in Romania. You have to obtain it from the Ukrainian consulate
>> notarized and authenticated in Kiev, all in Ukrainian, alternatively by
>> using the services of a local advocate, or notary from Cz. You then have it
>> translated, notarized and apostilled by the ministry of foreign affairs of
>> the country you live. This is a sine qua non for obtaining Romanian
>> citizenship.
>>
>> For Austrian citizenship, according to the new law, one of your direct
>> ancestors had to have left Austrian Republic territory between 1933 and
>> 1955. Alternatively, he could have been an Austrian citizen living outside
>> Austria in the same period. Any other criteria are not relevant.
>>
>> Of course, there are exceptions for outstanding services to those states,
>> etc. but these are not included in the two laws of lost citizenship by past
>> generations.
>>
>> Best wishes to you to succeed either way,
>>
>> Berti.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [czernowitz-l] Obtaining EU country citizenship

[Daniel Baker]

Dear Janet and Karin,

Yes, I do think COVID is at least partly to blame! When I submitted my
application in 2018 they told me the usual maximum waiting time was 18
months. But other people I’ve spoken to have said that 18 months is
unrealistic even in the absence of COVID. I did indeed apply on the basis
of descent from a Romanian grandmother (born and raised im Czernowitz until
deportation to Bershad). Karin, your situation does sound a bit different,
please keep us posted as I’d love to hear how everything goes!
Best wishes,

Daniel

On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 at 14:13, Karin Perrin  wrote:

> Hi Daniel
>
> I am sure your advice is right  for most people applying. I do believe
> though, as Janet suggests, that Covid brought things to a virtual
> standstill.
>
>
>
> I speak Romanian so have an advantage. The Consul has advised me that the
> Embassy (in London) sends the paperwork to Bucharest via diplomatic pouch
> and that the process should be completed in a few months. I was born in
> Bucharest so my situation may well be different – I did not mean to advise
> those in other circumstances.
>
>
>
> I will find out if I continue to be one of the lucky ones and report back.
>
> Best to all
>
> Karin
>
>
>
> *From:* J Alexander 
> *Sent:* 20 November 2021 12:41
> *To:* Daniel Baker 
> *Cc:* Karin Perrin ; Arthur von Czernowitz <
> vonczernow...@yahoo.com>; Benjamin Grilj ;
> RUTH GOLD ; czernowitz Group via cornell server <
> czernowit...@cornell.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [czernowitz-l] Obtaining EU country citizenship
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for all of the information. It’s very helpful. Daniel, is
> your application based on descent ? I wonder if Covid 19 slowed down the
> process there or if that is the typical wait time.
>
> Best,
>
> Janet
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2021, at 6:57 AM, Daniel Baker 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Dear Karin,
>
>
>
> I would strongly recommend using a law firm. I am using one in Romania
> called Darie, Manea and Associates, and have been happy with the service.
> In my experience, without a fluent knowledge of Romanian the process is
> impossible to navigate. Note that the process is long - even after
> submitting your file (which usually needs to be done in person in
> Bucharest) the waiting time can be enormous - I am still waiting for a
> decision after almost 3.5 years. The law firm regularly contacts the
> relevant authority on my behalf to “check in” on the status of my file.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Daniel Ari Baker
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 at 20:20, Karin Perrin  wrote:
>
> Hello Janet
>
> I just wanted to mention that I just walked into the Romanian Embassy in
> London (after someone suggesting this) and asked to speak to someone about
> Romanian citizenship. I was simply allowed in and saw the consul right
> away. Possibly I was very lucky!
>
> It is very difficult to get through on the phone or on line so it was
> suggested to me by a Romanian who works for the consulate that I should
> just go straight to the Embassy (certain times and dates were suggested
> though).
>
>
>
> I had all possible documents proving my Romanian citizenship as a child
> with me, as well as all my parent’s Romanian documents (even some from my
> grandmother) and the reaction was polite, even friendly, and helpful. Once
> I get the UK documents apostilled and translated into Romanian by one of
> their official translators, I will be going back to the Embassy  - they
> said it should be a matter of months; they will be sending photocopies of
> my documents to Romania as this cannot be decided here in the UK. As
> mentioned, they won’t be sending originals – these will be handed straight
> back to me.
>
>
>
> I think it depends where you are in the US.  – You might find that if you
> are near an Embassy, just walking in would work for you too. A law firm
> will cost quite a bit and you may well have to send original documents
> abroad; I find this worrying although of course the Israeli law firm might
> be 100% reliable…. I would check first if they are sending original
> documents to Romania though….
>
> Hope this is of some assistance. Good luck!
>
>
>
> Karin
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* J Alexander 
> *Sent:* 19 November 2021 16:24
> *To:* Arthur von Czernowitz 
> *Cc:* Karin Perrin ; Benjamin Grilj <
> b.gr...@perspectiveast.com>; RUTH GOLD ;
> czernowitz Group via cornell server 
> *Subject:* Re: [czernowitz-l] Marriage registrations
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Karin and Arthur!
>
> I’m in the US. I have my grandfather’s Romanian passport with a Nazi stamp
>

Re: [czernowitz-l] Obtaining EU country citizenship

[Daniel Baker]

Dear Karin,

I would strongly recommend using a law firm. I am using one in Romania
called Darie, Manea and Associates, and have been happy with the service.
In my experience, without a fluent knowledge of Romanian the process is
impossible to navigate. Note that the process is long - even after
submitting your file (which usually needs to be done in person in
Bucharest) the waiting time can be enormous - I am still waiting for a
decision after almost 3.5 years. The law firm regularly contacts the
relevant authority on my behalf to “check in” on the status of my file.

Best wishes,

Daniel Ari Baker


On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 at 20:20, Karin Perrin  wrote:

> Hello Janet
>
> I just wanted to mention that I just walked into the Romanian Embassy in
> London (after someone suggesting this) and asked to speak to someone about
> Romanian citizenship. I was simply allowed in and saw the consul right
> away. Possibly I was very lucky!
>
> It is very difficult to get through on the phone or on line so it was
> suggested to me by a Romanian who works for the consulate that I should
> just go straight to the Embassy (certain times and dates were suggested
> though).
>
>
>
> I had all possible documents proving my Romanian citizenship as a child
> with me, as well as all my parent’s Romanian documents (even some from my
> grandmother) and the reaction was polite, even friendly, and helpful. Once
> I get the UK documents apostilled and translated into Romanian by one of
> their official translators, I will be going back to the Embassy  - they
> said it should be a matter of months; they will be sending photocopies of
> my documents to Romania as this cannot be decided here in the UK. As
> mentioned, they won’t be sending originals – these will be handed straight
> back to me.
>
>
>
> I think it depends where you are in the US.  – You might find that if you
> are near an Embassy, just walking in would work for you too. A law firm
> will cost quite a bit and you may well have to send original documents
> abroad; I find this worrying although of course the Israeli law firm might
> be 100% reliable…. I would check first if they are sending original
> documents to Romania though….
>
> Hope this is of some assistance. Good luck!
>
>
>
> Karin
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* J Alexander 
> *Sent:* 19 November 2021 16:24
> *To:* Arthur von Czernowitz 
> *Cc:* Karin Perrin ; Benjamin Grilj <
> b.gr...@perspectiveast.com>; RUTH GOLD ;
> czernowitz Group via cornell server 
> *Subject:* Re: [czernowitz-l] Marriage registrations
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Karin and Arthur!
>
> I’m in the US. I have my grandfather’s Romanian passport with a Nazi stamp
> in it which he used to travel to the US. Citizenship listed is Romanian. I
> have identified his birth certificate on Jewish Gen and I am waiting to
> obtain a copy of it. It listed his place of birth Clishcoutsi, Khotin,
> Besserabia in 1909. Does that make him Austrian, Hungarian Romanian, or
> Stateless?
>
> It will be interesting to see how it is listed but i believe it was
> translated from Romanian.
>
> I have my mother’s birth certificate so I think I can prove descent pretty
> clearly.
>
> There seems to be several Israeli law firms that have a cottage industry
> in helping people like me obtaining EU citizenship based on descent. Do you
> think obtaining Romanian citizenship is something I need to hire an
> attorney for.
>
> Best,
>
> Janet
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2021, at 11:10 AM, Arthur von Czernowitz <
> vonczernow...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  Hello Janet
>
>
>
> I believe that Khotyn was under Romanian rule between 1918–1940. Your
> grandfather was born in 1909 that could be a problem. First you will have
> to obtain his birth certificate. That could be a problem. You will have to
> prove that you are his descendent. Today Khotyn is in the Ukraine about
> 65km from Czernowitz. I visited the Jewish cemetery of Khotyn I believe in
> 2010 or 2012.
>
> I am a volunteer at the World Organization of Bukovina Jews. I know quite
> a few people who obtained Romanian citizenship and people who tried
> Austrian failed. They just could not get the paperwork required.
>
>
>
> Shabbat Shalom
>
>
>
> Arthur
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2021, at 2:26 PM, J Alexander  wrote:
>
>  Hi Karin,
>
> My grandfather was born in Khotin Besserabia in 1909 when it was under the
> rule of Austria - Hungary. He left in the early 1930s. My great grandmother
> was deported Transnistria where she was murdered.
>
> I also looked into Austrian citizenship but determined obtaining Romanian
> citizenship by descent would be easier. Especially since the Covid virus
> seems to have impacted the government’s ability to respond timely to these
> applications.  Ironic to think that my escape route from the US is through
> Romania.
>
> Let us know how you make out.
>
> Best,
>
> Janet S
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2021, at 7:07 AM, Karin Perrin  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hello all
>
>
>
> 

Re: [czernowitz-l] Seeking information about a book of poetry published in Czernowitz

[Daniel Baker]

Thank you so much Edgar, you are truly a Czernowitz guru! Leib Druker
sounds like a very interesting person - the research continues!

Best wishes,

Daniel

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 4:12 PM Edgar Hauster  wrote:

> Dear Daniel,
>
> You're welcome, and if we change the spelling from Leib Druker to Leib
> Drucker, we learn from DiFMOE.
>
> https://www.difmoe.eu/d/
>
> that Leib Drucker was by no means an unknown in Czernowitz, but was a
> librettist of numerous (Yiddish) operettas and a book author. A whole
> series of newspaper articles in the 1930s provide information about this.
>
> Enjoy your research!
>
> Edgar Hauster
>
>
> ____
> From: Daniel Baker 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 15:39
> To: Edgar Hauster
> Cc: CZERNOWITZ-L
> Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Seeking information about a book of poetry
> published in Czernowitz
>
> Thank you very much Edgar!
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 3:36 PM Edgar Hauster  bconc...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> In July 1934 Leib Druker has an open air premiere, as reported in the
> Czernowitzer Morgenblatt of 28.07.1934 (middle column, below):
>
> https://www.difmoe.eu/d/uuid/uuid:0f5d64a3-fb45-44a3-b63c-7d034c363e4b
>
> More is not to be learned (for the time being) and whether Leib is to be
> counted among the operetta group Adolf Tellner is not clear from this
> newspaper advertisement.
>
> Warmest wishes!
>
> Edgar Hauster
>
>
> 
> From: bounce-125810085-8322...@list.cornell.edu bounce-125810085-8322...@list.cornell.edu> <
> bounce-125810085-8322...@list.cornell.edu bounce-125810085-8322...@list.cornell.edu>> on behalf of Daniel Baker <
> danielariba...@gmail.com<mailto:danielariba...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 15:11
> To: CZERNOWITZ-L
> Subject: [czernowitz-l] Seeking information about a book of poetry
> published in Czernowitz
>
> Dear friends,
>
> I recently acquired a small book of Yiddish poetry (really more of a
> pamphlet) that was published in Czernowitz in 1934 by the "Czernowitzer
> Bleter" press. The book is called simple "27 songs" (27 Lider) and is by
> Leyb Druker - perhaps a pen-name? The book appears to be signed by the
> poet. The printing was done by Avraham Hornik, Yanku Plonder-Gas 1.
>
> I am wondering whether anyone has heard of this poet, or knows anything
> about the book? I have not been able to find any information online.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Daniel Ari Baker
> Geneva, Switzerland
> --
> Daniel Ari Baker
> B.A., LL.B. (Hons) (Melb), LL.M. (NYU), Grad. Dip. Int'l Cust. L. (Canb.)
>
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Re: [czernowitz-l] Seeking information about a book of poetry published in Czernowitz

[Daniel Baker]

Thank you very much Edgar!

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 3:36 PM Edgar Hauster  wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
>
> In July 1934 Leib Druker has an open air premiere, as reported in the
> Czernowitzer Morgenblatt of 28.07.1934 (middle column, below):
>
> https://www.difmoe.eu/d/uuid/uuid:0f5d64a3-fb45-44a3-b63c-7d034c363e4b
>
> More is not to be learned (for the time being) and whether Leib is to be
> counted among the operetta group Adolf Tellner is not clear from this
> newspaper advertisement.
>
> Warmest wishes!
>
> Edgar Hauster
>
>
> 
> From: bounce-125810085-8322...@list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-125810085-8322...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Daniel Baker <
> danielariba...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 15:11
> To: CZERNOWITZ-L
> Subject: [czernowitz-l] Seeking information about a book of poetry
> published in Czernowitz
>
> Dear friends,
>
> I recently acquired a small book of Yiddish poetry (really more of a
> pamphlet) that was published in Czernowitz in 1934 by the "Czernowitzer
> Bleter" press. The book is called simple "27 songs" (27 Lider) and is by
> Leyb Druker - perhaps a pen-name? The book appears to be signed by the
> poet. The printing was done by Avraham Hornik, Yanku Plonder-Gas 1.
>
> I am wondering whether anyone has heard of this poet, or knows anything
> about the book? I have not been able to find any information online.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Daniel Ari Baker
> Geneva, Switzerland
> --
> Daniel Ari Baker
> B.A., LL.B. (Hons) (Melb), LL.M. (NYU), Grad. Dip. Int'l Cust. L. (Canb.)
>
> 
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[czernowitz-l] Seeking information about a book of poetry published in Czernowitz

[Daniel Baker]

Dear friends,

I recently acquired a small book of Yiddish poetry (really more of a
pamphlet) that was published in Czernowitz in 1934 by the "Czernowitzer
Bleter" press. The book is called simple "27 songs" (27 Lider) and is by
Leyb Druker - perhaps a pen-name? The book appears to be signed by the
poet. The printing was done by Avraham Hornik, Yanku Plonder-Gas 1.

I am wondering whether anyone has heard of this poet, or knows anything
about the book? I have not been able to find any information online.

Many thanks,

Daniel Ari Baker
Geneva, Switzerland
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Re: [czernowitz-l] Benno Horn's Fashion Shop

[Daniel Baker]

Dear Edgar,

Thank you very much for this. Benno Horn was my great-grandfather (I am a
cousin of Peggy) - I had never seen this wonderful photo of him before. I
have had a bit of a look through the DiFMOE portal, and it is indeed a
treasure trove. I've found some amazing things, including an article about
the theft of some valuable materials from Benno's store in the 1920s! Quite
amazing. I warmly recommend the website to all Czernowitzers.

Best wishes,

Daniel Ari Baker
Geneva, Switzerland

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 10:35 AM Edgar Hauster  wrote:

> Czernowitzers...
>
> A long time ago, in September 2012, I published a post on our Ehpes Blog
> under the headline "Benno Horn's Fashion Shop":
>
> http://ehpes.com/blog1/?p=4986
>
> We owe it to our fellow member Peggy Kaye from Australia to add Benno's
> photo to the post. At that time, in 2012, the only source available to us
> was the Czernowitz daily newspaper "Der Tag". This has changed
> fundamentally since DiFMOE, the Digital Forum for Central and Eastern
> Europe, has digitized the Bukovinian press of the interwar period and "Die
> Stimme" even for the years 1944-2017.
>
>
> https://www.difmoe.info/2020/11/24/collection-jewish-german-bukovina-1918-online/
>
> If you are going to search at DiFMOE [https://www.difmoe.eu/d/] for
> "Benno Horn", for example, you will find, dear Peggy, not less than 280
> entries. I wish you and everyone else good luck with your research and much
> joy with the knowledge gained from it!
>
> Edgar Hauster
>
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Re: [czernowitz-l] Applying for Romanian Citizenship - Legal Support

[Daniel Baker]

Dear Alan,

I am currently going through the process of reclaiming Romanian
citizenship. I am using the law firm Darie, Manea and Associates (
https://www.rolegal.com/). They are based in Bucharest and speak English. I
have found them to be reasonably priced and very helpful. They assisted me
through every step of the process and continue to monitor my application on
my behalf. Please be aware that the process can take quite a long time - I
submitted my application (which took about a year to prepare, but it
depends on whether you have the documents already) in June 2018, and am
still waiting on a decision. You can see on the website of the Romanian
ministry for citizenship that they receive tens of thousands of
applications per year.

Best wishes,

Daniel Ari Baker
Geneva, Switzerland

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 2:21 AM Alan Gavurin  wrote:

> Friends
>
> Forgive me if this has been discussed before but my brother and I are
> considering applying for Romanian citizenship because our late
> grandfather was born in Wiznitz/Vijnita/Vyzhnytsia in 1911
>
> Have any of you gone down this path? I know of at least one other
> Czernowitzer who is.
>
> Can any of you recommend a good Romanian lawyer who could help us.
>
> I have already approached two Romanian lawyers - one says he does not take
> cases where the relatives come from outside current Romanian borders (ie
> present day Ukraine) and the other does not speak English so we are really
> struggling to understand the technicalities and I don't think Google
> Translate is helping very much
>
> Any recommendations would be gratefully received
>
> Alan
>
>
> --
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