Re: [darktable-dev] Fujifilm H1 treatment differences between jpeg and raw files
Using DarkTable from a lot of time, I know that there are powerful tools to be able to develop raw. But it is not a question of metamorphism. Considering opening the jpeg file with DarkTable first and then the raf file, I expect the two to be (similar) in chrominance and luminance. Maybe the .raf file will be less contrasted and with more information, but it can't be totally different from the jpeg file. Have you ever encountered this problem? Il sab 7 dic 2019, 15:38 Axel Gerber ha scritto: > My question about basecurve still persists :-) > Am 07.12.19 um 12:35 schrieb Lorenzo Fontanella: > > Good morning, > I tried to reduce EV, but that's not the motivation and so it's not the > solution to my problem. > I also took some ISO100 shots (minimum isop downward extension), so as to > disable the amplification of the sensor and remove the DR mode and Dynamic > Range Priority, and the problem is the same. > > Lorenzo Fontanella > --- > Calcinato Via Monte 2 - cell. 3288145594 > > > Il giorno sab 7 dic 2019 alle ore 09:16 rawfiner ha > scritto: > >> Do you have a DR setting enabled on the camera? (Like DR200 or DR400 or >> DR auto) >> This setting results in underexposed raw images. >> You can try adding 1EV or 2EV in the exposure module to compensate for >> that. >> >> rawfiner >> >> Le sam. 7 déc. 2019 à 08:12, Axel Gerber a >> écrit : >> >>> Is it possible, not the right basecurve is chosen? What do you see, when >>> you open basecurve and open the selector for diff BC styles? >>> >>> Von meinem Mobiltelefon gesendet >>> >>> >>> Ursprüngliche Nachricht >>> Betreff: [darktable-dev] Fujifilm H1 treatment differences between jpeg >>> and raw files >>> Von: Lorenzo Fontanella >>> An: darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org >>> Cc: >>> >>> Good morning, >>> I submit a problem for which he has lost sleep without ever finding a >>> valid explanation, maybe you can help me understand if it is due to a bug, >>> a wrong setting or something else. >>> DarkTable when opening my shots reproduces .jpeg and .raf files in a >>> totally different way. >>> From the screenshots you can find at this link, you can evaluate >>> yourself. >>> >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jhPJJmv08gg8jzsyGnvgzwXiymAHiOMh?usp=sharing >>> >>> The "clearest" images refer to jpegs, these images are also identical to >>> how the camera shows them during shooting and preview. >>> >>> Some thoughts: >>> 1. With other software the difference that exists anyway, since we talk >>> about jpeg files already processed and compressed by the camera and >>> untreated raw files, is not so marked. >>> . The setting applied to the camera is minimal and the profile is the >>> Provia / Standard >>> . This behavior is present even if in a different way, even with shots >>> taken at ISO100 (ie without sensor amplification) >>> . Even using the Clut tables created to emulate the same effect (Provia >>> / Standard), the difference is huge, in fact with those it is not clear how >>> colors are changed, so they are simply useless. >>> >>> I write to you because my goal is to get jpeg / raw (similar) files >>> considering the natural and physiological differences that pass between >>> these two output files. >>> >>> Now if I start working on a .raf file, it's because I want to improve >>> the jpeg on camera for various reasons. Currently working on the .raf file >>> I have to work only to get similar results to the jpeg on camera, which >>> makes the work of developing the raw files useless. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Lorenzo Fontanella >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >>> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>> >>> ___ >>> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >>> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> >> >> ___ >> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > > ___ > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > ___ > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-dev] Fujifilm H1 treatment differences between jpeg and raw files
My question about basecurve still persists :-)
Am 07.12.19 um 12:35 schrieb Lorenzo Fontanella:
Good morning,
I tried to reduce EV, but that's not the motivation and so it's not
the solution to my problem.
I also took some ISO100 shots (minimum isop downward extension), so as
to disable the amplification of the sensor and remove the DR mode and
Dynamic Range Priority, and the problem is the same.
Lorenzo Fontanella
---
Calcinato Via Monte 2 - cell. 3288145594
Il giorno sab 7 dic 2019 alle ore 09:16 rawfiner <mailto:rawfi...@gmail.com>> ha scritto:
Do you have a DR setting enabled on the camera? (Like DR200 or
DR400 or DR auto)
This setting results in underexposed raw images.
You can try adding 1EV or 2EV in the exposure module to compensate
for that.
rawfiner
Le sam. 7 déc. 2019 à 08:12, Axel Gerber mailto:a.ger...@axel-gerber.de>> a écrit :
Is it possible, not the right basecurve is chosen? What do you
see, when you open basecurve and open the selector for diff BC
styles?
Von meinem Mobiltelefon gesendet
Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Betreff: [darktable-dev] Fujifilm H1 treatment differences
between jpeg and raw files
Von: Lorenzo Fontanella
An: darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org
<mailto:darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org>
Cc:
Good morning,
I submit a problem for which he has lost sleep without
ever finding a valid explanation, maybe you can help
me understand if it is due to a bug, a wrong setting
or something else.
DarkTable when opening my shots reproduces .jpeg and
.raf files in a totally different way.
From the screenshots you can find at this link, you
can evaluate yourself.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jhPJJmv08gg8jzsyGnvgzwXiymAHiOMh?usp=sharing
The "clearest" images refer to jpegs, these images are
also identical to how the camera shows them during
shooting and preview.
Some thoughts:
1. With other software the difference that exists
anyway, since we talk about jpeg files already
processed and compressed by the camera and untreated
raw files, is not so marked.
. The setting applied to the camera is minimal and the
profile is the Provia / Standard
. This behavior is present even if in a different way,
even with shots taken at ISO100 (ie without sensor
amplification)
. Even using the Clut tables created to emulate the
same effect (Provia / Standard), the difference is
huge, in fact with those it is not clear how colors
are changed, so they are simply useless.
I write to you because my goal is to get jpeg / raw
(similar) files considering the natural and
physiological differences that pass between these two
output files.
Now if I start working on a .raf file, it's because I
want to improve the jpeg on camera for various
reasons. Currently working on the .raf file I have to
work only to get similar results to the jpeg on
camera, which makes the work of developing the raw
files useless.
Thanks
Lorenzo Fontanella
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Re: [darktable-dev] Fujifilm H1 treatment differences between jpeg and raw files
You always had a difference between your gear & Dt. It depends on your screen calibration (metamerism), gear calibration & all parameters (raw b/w point, white balance, input/output color profile, base curve,...). Now, you can use the Lut 3D module & use Fuji luts or the color look up table & the Darktable-chart to build your own presets. Le sam. 7 déc. 2019 à 12:36, Lorenzo Fontanella a écrit : > Good morning, > I tried to reduce EV, but that's not the motivation and so it's not the > solution to my problem. > I also took some ISO100 shots (minimum isop downward extension), so as to > disable the amplification of the sensor and remove the DR mode and Dynamic > Range Priority, and the problem is the same. > > Lorenzo Fontanella > --- > Calcinato Via Monte 2 - cell. 3288145594 > > > Il giorno sab 7 dic 2019 alle ore 09:16 rawfiner ha > scritto: > >> Do you have a DR setting enabled on the camera? (Like DR200 or DR400 or >> DR auto) >> This setting results in underexposed raw images. >> You can try adding 1EV or 2EV in the exposure module to compensate for >> that. >> >> rawfiner >> >> Le sam. 7 déc. 2019 à 08:12, Axel Gerber a >> écrit : >> >>> Is it possible, not the right basecurve is chosen? What do you see, when >>> you open basecurve and open the selector for diff BC styles? >>> >>> Von meinem Mobiltelefon gesendet >>> >>> >>> Ursprüngliche Nachricht >>> Betreff: [darktable-dev] Fujifilm H1 treatment differences between jpeg >>> and raw files >>> Von: Lorenzo Fontanella >>> An: darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org >>> Cc: >>> >>> Good morning, >>> I submit a problem for which he has lost sleep without ever finding a >>> valid explanation, maybe you can help me understand if it is due to a bug, >>> a wrong setting or something else. >>> DarkTable when opening my shots reproduces .jpeg and .raf files in a >>> totally different way. >>> From the screenshots you can find at this link, you can evaluate >>> yourself. >>> >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jhPJJmv08gg8jzsyGnvgzwXiymAHiOMh?usp=sharing >>> >>> The "clearest" images refer to jpegs, these images are also identical to >>> how the camera shows them during shooting and preview. >>> >>> Some thoughts: >>> 1. With other software the difference that exists anyway, since we talk >>> about jpeg files already processed and compressed by the camera and >>> untreated raw files, is not so marked. >>> . The setting applied to the camera is minimal and the profile is the >>> Provia / Standard >>> . This behavior is present even if in a different way, even with shots >>> taken at ISO100 (ie without sensor amplification) >>> . Even using the Clut tables created to emulate the same effect (Provia >>> / Standard), the difference is huge, in fact with those it is not clear how >>> colors are changed, so they are simply useless. >>> >>> I write to you because my goal is to get jpeg / raw (similar) files >>> considering the natural and physiological differences that pass between >>> these two output files. >>> >>> Now if I start working on a .raf file, it's because I want to improve >>> the jpeg on camera for various reasons. Currently working on the .raf file >>> I have to work only to get similar results to the jpeg on camera, which >>> makes the work of developing the raw files useless. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Lorenzo Fontanella >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >>> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>> >>> ___ >>> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >>> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> >> >> ___ >> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > > ___ > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-dev] Fujifilm H1 treatment differences between jpeg and raw files
Good morning, I tried to reduce EV, but that's not the motivation and so it's not the solution to my problem. I also took some ISO100 shots (minimum isop downward extension), so as to disable the amplification of the sensor and remove the DR mode and Dynamic Range Priority, and the problem is the same. Lorenzo Fontanella --- Calcinato Via Monte 2 - cell. 3288145594 Il giorno sab 7 dic 2019 alle ore 09:16 rawfiner ha scritto: > Do you have a DR setting enabled on the camera? (Like DR200 or DR400 or DR > auto) > This setting results in underexposed raw images. > You can try adding 1EV or 2EV in the exposure module to compensate for > that. > > rawfiner > > Le sam. 7 déc. 2019 à 08:12, Axel Gerber a > écrit : > >> Is it possible, not the right basecurve is chosen? What do you see, when >> you open basecurve and open the selector for diff BC styles? >> >> Von meinem Mobiltelefon gesendet >> >> >> -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---- >> Betreff: [darktable-dev] Fujifilm H1 treatment differences between jpeg >> and raw files >> Von: Lorenzo Fontanella >> An: darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org >> Cc: >> >> Good morning, >> I submit a problem for which he has lost sleep without ever finding a >> valid explanation, maybe you can help me understand if it is due to a bug, >> a wrong setting or something else. >> DarkTable when opening my shots reproduces .jpeg and .raf files in a >> totally different way. >> From the screenshots you can find at this link, you can evaluate yourself. >> >> >> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jhPJJmv08gg8jzsyGnvgzwXiymAHiOMh?usp=sharing >> >> The "clearest" images refer to jpegs, these images are also identical to >> how the camera shows them during shooting and preview. >> >> Some thoughts: >> 1. With other software the difference that exists anyway, since we talk >> about jpeg files already processed and compressed by the camera and >> untreated raw files, is not so marked. >> . The setting applied to the camera is minimal and the profile is the >> Provia / Standard >> . This behavior is present even if in a different way, even with shots >> taken at ISO100 (ie without sensor amplification) >> . Even using the Clut tables created to emulate the same effect (Provia / >> Standard), the difference is huge, in fact with those it is not clear how >> colors are changed, so they are simply useless. >> >> I write to you because my goal is to get jpeg / raw (similar) files >> considering the natural and physiological differences that pass between >> these two output files. >> >> Now if I start working on a .raf file, it's because I want to improve the >> jpeg on camera for various reasons. Currently working on the .raf file I >> have to work only to get similar results to the jpeg on camera, which makes >> the work of developing the raw files useless. >> >> Thanks >> Lorenzo Fontanella >> >> >> ___ >> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> >> ___ >> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > ___ > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-dev] Fujifilm H1 treatment differences between jpeg and raw files
Do you have a DR setting enabled on the camera? (Like DR200 or DR400 or DR auto) This setting results in underexposed raw images. You can try adding 1EV or 2EV in the exposure module to compensate for that. rawfiner Le sam. 7 déc. 2019 à 08:12, Axel Gerber a écrit : > Is it possible, not the right basecurve is chosen? What do you see, when > you open basecurve and open the selector for diff BC styles? > > Von meinem Mobiltelefon gesendet > > > Ursprüngliche Nachricht > Betreff: [darktable-dev] Fujifilm H1 treatment differences between jpeg > and raw files > Von: Lorenzo Fontanella > An: darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org > Cc: > > Good morning, > I submit a problem for which he has lost sleep without ever finding a > valid explanation, maybe you can help me understand if it is due to a bug, > a wrong setting or something else. > DarkTable when opening my shots reproduces .jpeg and .raf files in a > totally different way. > From the screenshots you can find at this link, you can evaluate yourself. > > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jhPJJmv08gg8jzsyGnvgzwXiymAHiOMh?usp=sharing > > The "clearest" images refer to jpegs, these images are also identical to > how the camera shows them during shooting and preview. > > Some thoughts: > 1. With other software the difference that exists anyway, since we talk > about jpeg files already processed and compressed by the camera and > untreated raw files, is not so marked. > . The setting applied to the camera is minimal and the profile is the > Provia / Standard > . This behavior is present even if in a different way, even with shots > taken at ISO100 (ie without sensor amplification) > . Even using the Clut tables created to emulate the same effect (Provia / > Standard), the difference is huge, in fact with those it is not clear how > colors are changed, so they are simply useless. > > I write to you because my goal is to get jpeg / raw (similar) files > considering the natural and physiological differences that pass between > these two output files. > > Now if I start working on a .raf file, it's because I want to improve the > jpeg on camera for various reasons. Currently working on the .raf file I > have to work only to get similar results to the jpeg on camera, which makes > the work of developing the raw files useless. > > Thanks > Lorenzo Fontanella > > > ___ > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > ___ > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
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Is it possible, not the right basecurve is chosen? What do you see, when you open basecurve and open the selector for diff BC styles? Von meinem Mobiltelefon gesendet Ursprüngliche Nachricht Betreff: [darktable-dev] Fujifilm H1 treatment differences between jpeg and raw filesVon: Lorenzo Fontanella An: darktable-dev@lists.darktable.orgCc: Good morning,I submit a problem for which he has lost sleep without ever finding a valid explanation, maybe you can help me understand if it is due to a bug, a wrong setting or something else.DarkTable when opening my shots reproduces .jpeg and .raf files in a totally different way.From the screenshots you can find at this link, you can evaluate yourself.https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jhPJJmv08gg8jzsyGnvgzwXiymAHiOMh?usp=sharingThe "clearest" images refer to jpegs, these images are also identical to how the camera shows them during shooting and preview.Some thoughts:1. With other software the difference that exists anyway, since we talk about jpeg files already processed and compressed by the camera and untreated raw files, is not so marked.. The setting applied to the camera is minimal and the profile is the Provia / Standard. This behavior is present even if in a different way, even with shots taken at ISO100 (ie without sensor amplification). Even using the Clut tables created to emulate the same effect (Provia / Standard), the difference is huge, in fact with those it is not clear how colors are changed, so they are simply useless.I write to you because my goal is to get jpeg / raw (similar) files considering the natural and physiological differences that pass between these two output files.Now if I start working on a .raf file, it's because I want to improve the jpeg on camera for various reasons. Currently working on the .raf file I have to work only to get similar results to the jpeg on camera, which makes the work of developing the raw files useless.ThanksLorenzo Fontanella ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
[darktable-dev] Fujifilm H1 treatment differences between jpeg and raw files
Good morning, I submit a problem for which he has lost sleep without ever finding a valid explanation, maybe you can help me understand if it is due to a bug, a wrong setting or something else. DarkTable when opening my shots reproduces .jpeg and .raf files in a totally different way. >From the screenshots you can find at this link, you can evaluate yourself. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jhPJJmv08gg8jzsyGnvgzwXiymAHiOMh?usp=sharing The "clearest" images refer to jpegs, these images are also identical to how the camera shows them during shooting and preview. Some thoughts: 1. With other software the difference that exists anyway, since we talk about jpeg files already processed and compressed by the camera and untreated raw files, is not so marked. . The setting applied to the camera is minimal and the profile is the Provia / Standard . This behavior is present even if in a different way, even with shots taken at ISO100 (ie without sensor amplification) . Even using the Clut tables created to emulate the same effect (Provia / Standard), the difference is huge, in fact with those it is not clear how colors are changed, so they are simply useless. I write to you because my goal is to get jpeg / raw (similar) files considering the natural and physiological differences that pass between these two output files. Now if I start working on a .raf file, it's because I want to improve the jpeg on camera for various reasons. Currently working on the .raf file I have to work only to get similar results to the jpeg on camera, which makes the work of developing the raw files useless. Thanks Lorenzo Fontanella ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
