Re: [darktable-dev] Plugin-SDK
Of course lost authors and code-rot can be a problem. But i think if anyone creates a IOP-modul with general interest it will find the way to the DT-codebase and will maintained from the DT-crew. My idea is to create github-project for the the SDK. And anyone who has interest in developing a custom modul can fork it and publish all his work on github. A SDK would be a big help for experiments with IOP-modules. Yes there is the useless-IOP as an example, but it is only a minimal example. The documentation of the internals of IOPs and pixel-pipeline is very poor. And yes, i miss some things: A 3D-CLUT-Modul like RT for finishing/effects. I should exist near the end of the pixel-pipeline where the pipeline works in RGB-colorspace. There was a try for this, but in my opinion it existed at a wrong place in the pixel-pipeline. And the DT-crew denied the integration in favor to the new color-look-up-table for color-correction. A modul with RGB-Curves. And the RT-Noise-removal Jan On 06-Nov-18 09:11, johannes hanika wrote: heya, with an open SDK there is the problem of backward compatibility. how would you deal with that? don't offer support? what if the plugin author disappears and the code rots? you'd be making old history stacks useless. i like how we are committed to keeping old image edits alive. is there anything in particular that you're missing? or you just want to mess around with the code and try some things? as heiko pointed out, for this we've got useless.c. cheers, jo On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:03 PM Jan Ingwer Baer wrote: It would be nice to have a thing like a 'Plugin-SDK' to enable more users to create their own IOP-Modules. To make the development of IOP-modules much more easy it should contain : - all the needed headers and libraries - some documentation: IOP-Interface, description of pixel-pipeline - some sample IOPs - cmake-files ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-dev] Plugin-SDK
Hi, On 06.11.18 09:11, johannes hanika wrote: > with an open SDK there is the problem of backward compatibility. how > would you deal with that? don't offer support? what if the plugin > author disappears and the code rots? you'd be making old history > stacks useless. i like how we are committed to keeping old image edits > alive. this is literally my number one reason for using darktable. If I wanted to live in a world where I can only open old pictures if I manage a host of maybe outdated external plugins of dubious quality, I would use Lightroom. Just remember what happened to the Nik Plugins. First they were maintained by a company, then Google bought them, distributed them for free and ceased development. It's just sheer luck that DxO bought them from Google and maintains them again. Also you can't be sure that you will be able to run an older Lightroom version in a VM should the need arise. kind regards, Simon ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-dev] Plugin-SDK
heya, with an open SDK there is the problem of backward compatibility. how would you deal with that? don't offer support? what if the plugin author disappears and the code rots? you'd be making old history stacks useless. i like how we are committed to keeping old image edits alive. is there anything in particular that you're missing? or you just want to mess around with the code and try some things? as heiko pointed out, for this we've got useless.c. cheers, jo On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:03 PM Jan Ingwer Baer wrote: > > It would be nice to have a thing like a 'Plugin-SDK' to enable more > users to create their own IOP-Modules. To make the development of > IOP-modules much more easy it should contain : > - all the needed headers and libraries > - some documentation: IOP-Interface, description of pixel-pipeline > - some sample IOPs > - cmake-files > > ___ > darktable developer mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-dev] Plugin-SDK
Heiko Bauke wrote: But note that dt has already plenty of powerful modules. Imho > dt would probably benefit more from enhanced performance and user experience than from new modules. High-quality documentation demonstrating whole workflows and how modules interact is also rare. In my opinion, the key to accomplishing an increase in the number of Darktable users is precisely documentation. Dumbing down the program would be the worst possible choice. Many want a powerful program and many who are today novices will soon progress and learn more. More and improved documentation is needed. That is the obvious solution. -- Noise Reduction is just another word for Image Destruction. Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-dev] Plugin-SDK
Hi Jan, Am Montag, 5. November 2018 schrieb Jan Ingwer Baer: > It would be nice to have a thing like a 'Plugin-SDK' to enable more > users to create their own IOP-Modules. To make the development of > IOP-modules much more easy it should contain : > - all the needed headers and libraries > - some documentation: IOP-Interface, description of pixel-pipeline > - some sample IOPs > - cmake-files if I remember correctly, there is a useless.c module which serves currently as a blueprint for new modules. But note that dt has already plenty of powerful modules. Imho dt would probably benefit more from enhanced performance and user experience than from new modules. High-quality documentation demonstrating whole workflows and how modules interact is also rare. Heiko -- -- Number Crunch Blog @ https://www.numbercrunch.de -- Cluster Computing @ https://www.clustercomputing.de -- Social Networking @ https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Heiko_Bauke ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.or
[darktable-dev] Plugin-SDK
It would be nice to have a thing like a 'Plugin-SDK' to enable more users to create their own IOP-Modules. To make the development of IOP-modules much more easy it should contain : - all the needed headers and libraries - some documentation: IOP-Interface, description of pixel-pipeline - some sample IOPs - cmake-files ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
