Re: [darktable-user] Weird colors and difficult noise reduction compared to LightRoom or RawTherapee

2016-12-09 Thread David Vincent-Jones


On 12/08/2016 02:20 AM, Pascal Obry wrote:

And indeed darktable in this case is close but not as good as Rawtherapee.

If Rawtherapee is doing a good job, more simply, what is holding dt back?
With 5 (or more) denoising options it is already too complicated ... 
does this need a total rethink of the situation?


David


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Re: [darktable-user] Weird colors and difficult noise reduction compared to LightRoom or RawTherapee

2016-12-09 Thread Pascal Obry
Le vendredi 09 décembre 2016 à 11:06 -0800, David Vincent-Jones a
écrit :
> On 12/08/2016 02:20 AM, Pascal Obry wrote:
> > And indeed darktable in this case is close but not as good as
> > Rawtherapee.
> 
> If Rawtherapee is doing a good job, more simply, what is holding dt
> back?

Some man power to code RawTherapee algorithm in dt :) Do you volunteer?

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Re: [darktable-user] Weird colors and difficult noise reduction compared to LightRoom or RawTherapee

2016-12-09 Thread David Vincent-Jones

On 12/09/2016 11:08 AM, Pascal Obry wrote:

Le vendredi 09 décembre 2016 à 11:06 -0800, David Vincent-Jones a
écrit :

On 12/08/2016 02:20 AM, Pascal Obry wrote:

And indeed darktable in this case is close but not as good as
Rawtherapee.

If Rawtherapee is doing a good job, more simply, what is holding dt
back?

Some man power to code RawTherapee algorithm in dt :) Do you volunteer?

Unfortunately I do not know the first thing about this type of code





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Re: [darktable-user] Weird colors and difficult noise reduction compared to LightRoom or RawTherapee

2016-12-09 Thread KOVÁCS István
Hi,

I'm not sure which part you have difficulty with.
Demosaic /colour smoothing is on the basic operations tab. Profiled denoise
you already know.
Sharpening you know as a well.
Raw denoise too.
Colour profile you can switch using the input colour module.

Note: I don't care much about luma noise, I prefer graininess over overly
smooth appearance.

Kofa


 Dec 2016 18:47, "Saint Germain"  wrote:

Hi,

I am really not sure to be able to duplicate what you said.
Could you provide perhaps an example (RAW+xmp) ?

Thanks a lot

On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 07:10:28 +0100, KOVÁCS István
 wrote :

> Hi,
> (Second attempt, sorry if you get a duplicate.)
>
> For very high ISO, i usually enable colour smoothing under demosaic
> settings, apply profiled denoising for colours (wavelet mode with
> colour blending mode, heavy denoising settings), avoid all
> sharpening, and, if the situation is really bad, apply a pinch of raw
> denoising. Still, I find that RawTherapee is better in this respect.
> Sometimes I skip denoising in darktable and use NoiseNinja, an old
> commercial denoising app that has a Linux version (BTW, PictureCode,
> developers of NoiseNinja, now produce a nice little raw developer
> called PhotoNinja, which you can get to run under wine).
>
> Regarding colours, darktable often ships with two profiles for a
> camera, called standard and enhanced. You can try both, and if you
> don't like either, you can profile your camera, or try RawStudio's
> profiles (if they have one). Expect a drop in processing speed with
> RawStudio profiles, though.
>
> Kofa
>
> On 8 Dec 2016 00:45, "Saint Germain"  wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just bought a Samsung NX1 and would like to use Darktable to
> > process the RAW (SRW).
> >
> > However I really tried but I couldn't manage to get correct colors
> > or to have a good noise reduction in high iso situation (low light).
> >
> > I've tried LightRoom and RawTherapee and I managed (without knowing
> > these softwares) to get quite good results in under 5-10 minutes.
> > So far I think I've spent several hours with Darktable...
> >
> > I would really like to stay with Darktable (as I find the interface
> > quite pleasant and it offers a lot of useful features) but I really
> > need to have good colors and good noise reduction (at least
> > comparable to LR and RT) without too much tinkering.
> >
> > From what I have heard, it seems that Darktable noise reduction is
> > very powerful and actually superior to LR or RT. Basic noise
> > reduction in LR or RT is very simple : 2 sliders and that's it
> > (Luminance and Details). However it is quite effective, and I
> > haven't been able to do better with Darktable (and it took me much
> > more time, I even made a noise profile !).
> >
> > Perhaps am I doing something wrong ?
> > Can someone guide me or show me how to proceed ?
> >
> > Original JPEG + RAW
> > http://dl.free.fr/fBpM8C6I1
> > http://dl.free.fr/jB13bvffN
> >
> > Rawtherapee (JPEG + pp3)
> > http://dl.free.fr/vT4rAtm5O
> > http://dl.free.fr/fJEcA3gH9
> >
> > Lightroom (JPEG)
> > http://dl.free.fr/nEEcDqtq0
> >
> > Darktable Noise profile
> > http://dl.free.fr/sZ8hCADDw
> >
> > Darktable (JPEG + xmp)
> > http://dl.free.fr/fJQSonH7n
> > http://dl.free.fr/knQbw4QMl
> >
> > Thanks a lot in advance,
> > 
> > 
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> > lists.darktable.org
> >
> >
>
> 

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