Re: [darktable-user] silly question re hot-keys and culling mode/switch view

[jys]

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020, at 16:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> Did you attempt to use the changed settings?

Yep, and I just tried again with a quit and restart. It worked after that, too.

> Do I need to open an issue?

I would probably only do that if you can find a way to reproduce the situation 
from a fresh config, or otherwise determine why it's happening. Maybe first try 
again after temporarily removing your darktablerc, and then same with 
keyboardrc and keyboardrc_default to narrow down the location of the problem? 
You could also skim through diffs of the generated versions vs. yours and see 
if anything looks funny...

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Re: [darktable-user] silly question re hot-keys and culling mode/switch view

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Patrick Shanahan  [08-31-20 19:39]:
> * jys  [08-31-20 18:28]:
> > On Mon, Aug 31, 2020, at 10:36, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > 
> > > I can assign "x" to switch view, but do not seem able to assign "period"
> > > or "." to culling mode.
> > > 
> > > Has anyone accomplished this and if so, how?
> > 
> > I just now tried swapping them via the preferences dialog and didn't have 
> > any problem, FWTW.
> 
> tks, I will make another attempt and advise.

well, I must have a problem.  

closed dt
edited ~/.config/darktable/keyboardrc

19:37 crash:~/.config/darktable > grep \"period\" ./keyboardrc*
./keyboardrc:(gtk_accel_path "/global/switch view" "period")
./keyboardrc_default:(gtk_accel_path "/global/switch view"
"period")
19:40 crash:~/.config/darktable > grep \"x\" ./keyboardrc*
./keyboardrc_default:(gtk_accel_path "/views/lighttable/toggle
culling mode" "x")

open dt, "H" to view key shortcuts and they display same as contents of
~/.config/darktable/keyboardrc

but keying "x" in lighttable opens culling view on active image
and keying "period" switches to darkroom

Did you attempt to use the changed settings?
Do I need to open an issue?

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Re: [darktable-user] silly question re hot-keys and culling mode/switch view

[Patrick Shanahan]

* jys  [08-31-20 18:28]:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020, at 10:36, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> 
> > I can assign "x" to switch view, but do not seem able to assign "period"
> > or "." to culling mode.
> > 
> > Has anyone accomplished this and if so, how?
> 
> I just now tried swapping them via the preferences dialog and didn't have any 
> problem, FWTW.

tks, I will make another attempt and advise.

tks
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Re: [darktable-user] silly question re hot-keys and culling mode/switch view

[jys]

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020, at 10:36, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> I can assign "x" to switch view, but do not seem able to assign "period"
> or "." to culling mode.
> 
> Has anyone accomplished this and if so, how?

I just now tried swapping them via the preferences dialog and didn't have any 
problem, FWTW.

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Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2, a short review

[Top Rock Photography]

Dt uses multi-threading, multi-core, & GPU acceleration. Adobe Lr (and Ps)
does not. If you watch YouTube tutorials on buying a computer for image
editing, they will almost all tell you to get the most powerful CPU,
regardless of how few cores it has, (e.g., a two-core i9 vs an eight-core
i3, or a 12-core Ryzen5), ignore GPU, and get at least 8GB of RAM, no more
than 16GB, (because then you have diminishing returns, with negligible
gains), and spend the rest of the money on fast storage.

That advice is based entirely on using Lr/Ps. With such a setup, it may
actually be possible that Lr outperforms Dt. I am not certain of that. But
get a less powerful CPU with 8 to 12 cores, (16 to 24 threads), & a
powerful GPU, and Dt will run circles around Lr.

As for fast storage, that has to do with the dismal performance of Lr on
importing images. I have heard pros talk about waiting overnight for Lr to
import 1,000+ images from one shoot, on spinning rust. (Who shoots 1,000
images in one day)? Using SATA SSD or even NvMe m.2 SSD speeds up Lr
imports to some extent. (really, only the writing to the drive and to the
database).

In any case, on my ten year old system, (AMD Phenom II X6, with six cores &
six threads), with a four-HDD, RAID5 storage, (a GTX 760 GPU & 32 GB of
1600MHz DDR3 RAM), I recently uninstalled DT 3.0, and in doing so,
accidentally deleted my database. I re-installed Dt 3.2.1 (I had compiled
from source), and had to re-import my images, (tens of thousands). It took
about an hour. (Granted, my side-car files were already there, so they did
not have to be written, but they all had to be read in, again, to sync with
the database). Typically, after a shoot, (maybe 300-500 images, at
worst-case), my import takes less than five minutes, if that long.

So, yes, the sports- car metaphor goes all the way. If one wants the best
performance on the track from one's sports car, install a great engine, use
high-octane fuel, and get an excellent driver. Use a multi-core processor,
use a quality GPU, run it on Linux, etc. (Yes, there is anecdotal evidence,
done using the same HW, which suggests that Dt runs faster on Linux, over
Windows. Not sure if anyone tried Linux vs Mac OS, or Mac OS vs Windows,
but Mac OS users seem happy).

Sincerely,

Karim Hosein
Top Rock Photography
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 04:10,  wrote:

> Terry & all readers,
>
>
>
> as a beginner this thread is very good to keep me motivated. I’ll continue
> to enthusiastically use darktable to gradually acquire the skills of a
> ‘sports car driver’.
>
>
>
> Is the comparison with the sports car also correct when it comes to the
> engine, ie the computer? I think so, but I only have experience with an
> aged version of Lightroom (5.7) on Windows. LR gave acceptable response
> with my 16 MP raw files on a 6 years old Intel dual core laptop with 8 GB
> of memory (no discrete GPU) under Windows. Use of darktable was a pain on
> that laptop. Now on my recent laptop LR (5.7) response is flashy while dt
> response is acceptable.
>
>
>
> Would anyone who uses both programs, in up-to-date versions, on the same
> computer under Windows or MacOS, comment on that?
>
>
>
> The question is somewhat important as I often interact with fellow photo
> art students at the evening school. (I hate to say this here, but they are
> mainly Mac, some on Windows, but never on Linux.)
>
>
>
> Marc.
>
>
>
> *Van:* Terry Pinfold 
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 25 augustus 2020 0:24
> *Aan:* Kneops 
> *CC:* darktable forum 
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2, a short review
>
>
>
> It is really worth investing the time in learning DT. As an editing
> program it leaves LR for dead. Yes Adobe has made a very easy to use
> product. Rather than complicated modules just a few sliders and you have a
> good image. LR is like an automatic car. DT is a high performance sports
> car. Depends what you are happy to settle for. I have LR so my preference
> is not based on what I am willing to pay for, but which program is more
> capable. For me, Darktables drawn paths to localise adjustments leaves the
> adjustment brush in LR looking a little sad.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 17:08, Kneops  wrote:
>
> Hi Michael. I agree ofcourse with what you say, but 'After a month'...
> is exactly what I mean. If it takes a month, something is not right. I
> never used LR, but opening it and - like I said - I could edit 99% of my
> images the way I want within 5 minutes. I even don't use Gimp anymore,
> unless my sensor had become too dirty ;).
>
>
>
> Op 22-08-2020 om 22:04 schreef Mikael Ståldal:
> > The filmic module can be a bit intimidating and unfamiliar if you are
> > used to Lightroom. But if you just spend a few hours watching videos and
> > reading instructions, and practice on a dozen of your own images, you
> > can become effective faster than you think. And it just got easier with
> > Darktable 3.2!
> >
> > After about a month of using Darktable, I feel that I can do 

Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2, a short review

[Matt Maguire]

The other thing that cheesed me off about Adobe is that they will
automatically renew that annual subscription, and there is no way to opt
out of this automatic renewal. You need to wait until the month that your
current subscription expires, then cancel it manually, and if you forget
you will be up for another year's fees. This annoyed me so much, and after
watching JCristina's "Cutting the Cord with Adobe" series on Youtube, I
moved over the darktable, cancelled the subscription mid-contract and payed
out the early termination fee. At least it gave them less of my money than
if I'd let the contract run to term. Darktable is great, it has taught me
some much about image processing, and I haven't looked back at leaving
Lightroom since.

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 at 04:30, Top Rock Photography <
ka...@toprockphotography.com> wrote:

> Regarding the Adobe subscription, whereas one can pay for the annual
> subscription in a single payment, or monthly, Adobe does NOT offer a
> month-by-month subscription; they only offer annual subscriptions. There is
> a pro-rated penalty for early termination, which is 50% of the outstanding
> balance of the full annual cost.
>
> If you have it for a month, you may as well keep it for the year. Read the
> terms of service. Now the terms of service do mention cancellation of the
> “monthly” plan, however, Adobe does not offer a monthly subscription plan
> for sale. Then why mention it? Because, if one keeps their annual plan for
> the full year, one is THEN converted to a monthly subscription.
>
> So do not think that you can just get it for a single month. That will
> cost you about ¤65 on the 1TB Lr subscription, or the 20GB Ps/Lr
> subscription, or about¤130 on the 1TB Ps/LR subscription.
>
> However, one might possibly be able to get it for less than14 days for
> free, IF one is a first-time user, and cancel within the first 14 days!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Karim Hosein
> Top Rock Photography
> 754.999.1652
>
>
>
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 07:45, Kneops  wrote:
>
>> …I don't
>> think I will ever need Prophoto though, but in case I do I can always…
>
>  *subcribe to LR for one month ;).*
>>
>>
> 
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[darktable-user] help me with darktable-chart

[Nicola]

Hello everyone, i am trying to profile my camera but i'm having problems...
Wolf Faust (coloraid.de) sent me a C1 color chart with reference files.
1) I shot (raw+jpg) several photos during a whole sunny day in August,
without clouds.
2) After i used wb spot calibration to know about light temperature for
each photo and I discovered I had the right light around nine in the
morning (more or less).
3) I chose the photo that had the best exposure so the raw whose the jpg
value of the lightest box equal to the reference value written in the file
sent with the color chart, in my case GS00 L = 90, to have the right curve.
4) I exported raw file in lab and pfm float
5) i load that image as a source on darktable-chart
6) i load cht file it8 standard file to have a right grid
7) i chose cie file as a reference and i chose the cie file sent from wolf
faust and NOW start the problems
For first, reference file is like GS0, GS1 etc. and dt-chart need something
like GS00, GS01; ok i edit the file manually and now dt-chart load the file
without problems.

After, the values that i can see on the bottom, in the L (reference) column
are differents from those that i can see opening the file with a text
editor, e.g. GS23 on file is l=4 but i can see that dt-chart give me GS23
l=0,00 and likewise other values; I don't know if this is normal but I
think not, please someone can confirm or not ;-)

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Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2, a short review

[Top Rock Photography]

Regarding the Adobe subscription, whereas one can pay for the annual
subscription in a single payment, or monthly, Adobe does NOT offer a
month-by-month subscription; they only offer annual subscriptions. There is
a pro-rated penalty for early termination, which is 50% of the outstanding
balance of the full annual cost.

If you have it for a month, you may as well keep it for the year. Read the
terms of service. Now the terms of service do mention cancellation of the
“monthly” plan, however, Adobe does not offer a monthly subscription plan
for sale. Then why mention it? Because, if one keeps their annual plan for
the full year, one is THEN converted to a monthly subscription.

So do not think that you can just get it for a single month. That will cost
you about ¤65 on the 1TB Lr subscription, or the 20GB Ps/Lr subscription,
or about¤130 on the 1TB Ps/LR subscription.

However, one might possibly be able to get it for less than14 days for
free, IF one is a first-time user, and cancel within the first 14 days!

Sincerely,

Karim Hosein
Top Rock Photography
754.999.1652



On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 07:45, Kneops  wrote:

> …I don't
> think I will ever need Prophoto though, but in case I do I can always…

 *subcribe to LR for one month ;).*
>
>


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[darktable-user] silly question re hot-keys and culling mode/switch view

[Patrick Shanahan]

Trying to stay closer to default hotkeys (keyboardrc_default), I have been
trying to switch the functions of "x" and "." (denoted as "period" in
keyboardrc_default), culling mode and switch view, and have failed.

The more used in my workflow "switch view" is handier for the left hand
which is on the keyboard vs the right hand on the mouse.

I can assign "x" to switch view, but do not seem able to assign "period"
or "." to culling mode.

Has anyone accomplished this and if so, how?

tks,

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Fwd: [darktable-user] Crop orientation

[Bruce Williams]

Patrick,
Well, this is embarrassing!
I hadn't noticed that my application window was not maximised, and was
actually sitting ever-so-slightly over the border of my monitor!
D'oh!
And thanks for the recognition! :)
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Date: Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Crop orientation
To: darktable-user 


* Bruce Williams  [08-31-20 08:19]:
> OK, clearly I missed the memo.
> You used to be able to select to rotate the crop orientation... like if
you
> wanted to do a portrait orientation crop of an image shot in landscape
mode.
> But it appears that the rotate circular arrow thingy has gone now.
> How does one execute this in 3.2.1?

It is still there in master.  Perhaps you have a faulty build??? or your
right panel is too narrow?

btw, tks for the videos.

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Re: [darktable-user] Crop orientation

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Bruce Williams  [08-31-20 08:19]:
> OK, clearly I missed the memo.
> You used to be able to select to rotate the crop orientation... like if you
> wanted to do a portrait orientation crop of an image shot in landscape mode.
> But it appears that the rotate circular arrow thingy has gone now.
> How does one execute this in 3.2.1?

It is still there in master.  Perhaps you have a faulty build??? or your
right panel is too narrow?

btw, tks for the videos.

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[darktable-user] Crop orientation

[Bruce Williams]

OK, clearly I missed the memo.
You used to be able to select to rotate the crop orientation... like if you
wanted to do a portrait orientation crop of an image shot in landscape mode.
But it appears that the rotate circular arrow thingy has gone now.
How does one execute this in 3.2.1?
Cheers,
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Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2, a short review

[Kneops]

No not yet, I just tried one of the images posted there but I don't 
understand how it works. The help pages of that website are not loading. 
I have edited one of those images but don't understand how I can upload 
my version.





Have you tried posting some problematic images as PlayRaw on
discuss.pixls.us? (Note the licence requirements.)
https://discuss.pixls.us/c/processing/playraw/30

Kofa

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