Re: [darktable-user] exiv2 and darktable

2021-01-19 Thread darktable 
On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 22:03:39 -0300
Guillermo Rozas  wrote:

> Because of several comments and the general tone of the posts by
> Robin Mills (and some of the current contributors to exiv2) on
> PIXLS.US during the last year, which I won't link here. The two
> linked discussions were meant to show that there are people working
> on exiv2, and that although Robin's retirement will be a huge loss
> for the project, it doesn't mean exiv2 is dead.

I didn't say that exiv2 was dead. Right now, as far as I understand,
exiv2 is in limbo.

What usually happens is either:

1. somebody steps up
2. some active project decides to incorporate it  and dedicate
resources to keep it alive
3. let it wither on the vine

Currently, neither alternative 1 or 2 has happened after almost a
year of Robin Mills announcing his retirement.

Which is why I asked:

a: How will this affect DT?
b: Supplementary question: Would exiftool be an alternative for DT?

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Re: [darktable-user] exiv2 and darktable

2021-01-19 Thread Guillermo Rozas 
Because of several comments and the general tone of the posts by Robin
Mills (and some of the current contributors to exiv2) on PIXLS.US during
the last year, which I won't link here. The two linked discussions were
meant to show that there are people working on exiv2, and that although
Robin's retirement will be a huge loss for the project, it doesn't mean
exiv2 is dead.
Regards,
Guillermo

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:03 PM DougC  wrote:

> I don't see why you conclude the exiv2 project is safe. After a full month
> of appeals there is still no maintainer announced in the first thread you
> link to, nor on the web site, nor on the github site.
>
> Doug C.
>
>
>
>  On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 15:11:50 -0500 *Guillermo Rozas
> >* wrote 
>
> The future of exiv2 is safe, don't worry:
>
> https://discuss.pixls.us/t/maintainer-urgently-needed-for-exiv2/21547
> https://discuss.pixls.us/t/canon-cr3-raw-support-your-move/14192
>
> Regards,
> Guillermo
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] exiv2 and darktable

2021-01-19 Thread DougC 
I don't see why you conclude the exiv2 project is safe. After a full month of 
appeals there is still no maintainer announced in the first thread you link to, 
nor on the web site, nor on the github site.



Doug C.





 On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 15:11:50 -0500 Guillermo Rozas  
wrote 


The future of exiv2 is safe, don't worry:
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/maintainer-urgently-needed-for-exiv2/21547

https://discuss.pixls.us/t/canon-cr3-raw-support-your-move/14192




Regards,

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Re: [darktable-user] exiv2 and darktable

2021-01-19 Thread Guillermo Rozas 
The future of exiv2 is safe, don't worry:

https://discuss.pixls.us/t/maintainer-urgently-needed-for-exiv2/21547
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/canon-cr3-raw-support-your-move/14192

Regards,
Guillermo

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:03 PM  wrote:

> From reading various notes, DT uses exiv2 to write the xmp
> sidecars.
>
> I'm wondering what will happen since Robin Mills, the maintainer has
> retired and will not provide any further updates.
>
> It doesn't look like anybody else is taking over/forking exiv2.
>
> How will this impact Darktable?
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Which documentation to use?

2021-01-19 Thread Willy Williams 

Good stuff, Guillermo!  Thanks for the fill-in!

Willy

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On 1/19/21 9:20 AM, Guillermo Rozas wrote:
The documentation is currently in a state of flux due to changes 
in the way it's written and updated, that's why there are so many 
"versions". It's supposed to stabilize once darktable 3.6 is out. 
Please read the Documentation section on 
https://www.darktable.org/2020/12/darktable-3-4/

Regards,
Guillermo

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:49 AM Willy Williams > wrote:


Kofa, thanks for the clarity. There are other links that I've
found so far.  It appears that these two links go to very similar
pages: http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/ and
https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/. Within each of these
pages there are links that lead here -
http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/darktable_user_manual.pdf
and
https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/darktable_user_manual.pdf
respectively.  Then there is this one -

https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/download/release-3.4.0/darktable-usermanual.pdf.
All are shown as being for v3.4. So how is one to know which of
these five is the most current, leading edge document, but not the
bleeding edge (development) version?  One could very easily become
confused by the plethora of literature?

Willy Williams

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On 1/19/21 1:16 AM, KOVÁCS István wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 06:31, Patrick Shanahan  
  wrote:

*darkta...@911networks.com    
    [01-18-21 23:09]:

There is:

http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/

and

https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/index.html

are they the same? Which one should I use?

if you looked at them, surely you noticed a difference.  use the one that
is for the version of darktable you utilize.

should be very easy to make that choice.

Since they both say 3.4, and in fact *are* for 3.4, the question was
valid and the answer was just as wrong as arrogant.
https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/index.html  is 'old' in the sense
that it's the updated version of the 'old style' manual. Nevertheless,
it has been updated for 3.4, but is the last such update. It is
available in multiple languages.
https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/  is the new version, and that
is the format that will be used in the future. It has fewer
screenshots (which tend to change often, and are therefore hard to
maintain).
Finally,https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/  is, as far as I know,
the latest and greatest, updated for the development version (even
though its version number still says 3.4). It's automatically
generated fromhttps://github.com/darktable-org/dtdocs
The latter two are currently available only in English.
Kofa

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Re: [darktable-user] Which documentation to use?

2021-01-19 Thread Guillermo Rozas 
The documentation is currently in a state of flux due to changes in the way
it's written and updated, that's why there are so many "versions". It's
supposed to stabilize once darktable 3.6 is out. Please read the
Documentation section on https://www.darktable.org/2020/12/darktable-3-4/
Regards,
Guillermo

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:49 AM Willy Williams 
wrote:

> Kofa, thanks for the clarity.  There are other links that I've found so
> far.  It appears that these two links go to very similar pages:
> http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/ and
> https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/.  Within each of these pages
> there are links that lead here -
> http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/darktable_user_manual.pdf and
> https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/darktable_user_manual.pdf
> respectively.  Then there is this one -
> https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/download/release-3.4.0/darktable-usermanual.pdf.
> All are shown as being for v3.4. So how is one to know which of these five
> is the most current, leading edge document, but not the bleeding edge
> (development) version?  One could very easily become confused by the
> plethora of literature?
>
> Willy Williams
>
> --
>
>  "You don't take a picture.  You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it."
>
>  - Unknown
>
> --
>
> On 1/19/21 1:16 AM, KOVÁCS István wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 06:31, Patrick Shanahan  
>  wrote:
>
> * darkta...@911networks.com  
>  [01-18-21 23:09]:
>
> There is:
> http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/
>
> and
> https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/index.html
>
> are they the same? Which one should I use?
>
> if you looked at them, surely you noticed a difference.  use the one that
> is for the version of darktable you utilize.
>
> should be very easy to make that choice.
>
> Since they both say 3.4, and in fact *are* for 3.4, the question was
> valid and the answer was just as wrong as 
> arrogant.https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/index.html is 'old' in the sense
> that it's the updated version of the 'old style' manual. Nevertheless,
> it has been updated for 3.4, but is the last such update. It is
> available in multiple languages.https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/ is 
> the new version, and that
> is the format that will be used in the future. It has fewer
> screenshots (which tend to change often, and are therefore hard to
> maintain).
> Finally, https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/ is, as far as I know,
> the latest and greatest, updated for the development version (even
> though its version number still says 3.4). It's automatically
> generated from https://github.com/darktable-org/dtdocs
> The latter two are currently available only in English.
> Kofa
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Which documentation to use?

2021-01-19 Thread Willy Williams 
Kofa, thanks for the clarity.  There are other links that I've found so 
far.  It appears that these two links go to very similar pages: 
http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/ and 
https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/.  Within each of these pages 
there are links that lead here - 
http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/darktable_user_manual.pdf and 
https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/darktable_user_manual.pdf 
respectively.  Then there is this one - 
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/download/release-3.4.0/darktable-usermanual.pdf. 
All are shown as being for v3.4. So how is one to know which of these 
five is the most current, leading edge document, but not the bleeding 
edge (development) version?  One could very easily become confused by 
the plethora of literature?


Willy Williams

--

 "You don't take a picture.  You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it."

 - Unknown

--

On 1/19/21 1:16 AM, KOVÁCS István wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 06:31, Patrick Shanahan  wrote:

* darkta...@911networks.com  [01-18-21 23:09]:

There is:

http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/

and

https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/index.html

are they the same? Which one should I use?

if you looked at them, surely you noticed a difference.  use the one that
is for the version of darktable you utilize.

should be very easy to make that choice.

Since they both say 3.4, and in fact *are* for 3.4, the question was
valid and the answer was just as wrong as arrogant.
https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/index.html is 'old' in the sense
that it's the updated version of the 'old style' manual. Nevertheless,
it has been updated for 3.4, but is the last such update. It is
available in multiple languages.
https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/ is the new version, and that
is the format that will be used in the future. It has fewer
screenshots (which tend to change often, and are therefore hard to
maintain).
Finally, https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/ is, as far as I know,
the latest and greatest, updated for the development version (even
though its version number still says 3.4). It's automatically
generated from https://github.com/darktable-org/dtdocs
The latter two are currently available only in English.
Kofa

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Re: [darktable-user] Windows Nightly Builds

2021-01-19 Thread Bill Martz 
Thanks, Martin. Big learning curve for me, but I will work on it.



On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 1:14 AM Martin Straeten 
wrote:

> No, you’re looking at the right place. There seems to be some issues in
> setting up the ci environment for windows.
> Best way is to build it yourself - the description in
> https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/tree/master/packaging/windows is
> quite good (but a setup in a ci environment is a different thing)
>
> Am 19.01.2021 um 03:21 schrieb Bill Martz :
>
> 
> I have the location of the nightly builds as
>
> https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/actions?query=workflow%3A
> "Nightly+PKG"
>
> What I see is there have not been any successful builds in 21 days. Am I
> looking in the wrong place?
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Which documentation to use?

2021-01-19 Thread Bill Martz 
https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 11:08 PM  wrote:

> There is:
>
> http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/
>
> and
>
> https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/index.html
>
> are they the same? Which one should I use?
>
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