Re: [darktable-user] Not seeing replies to my posts

[Bill Martz]

I receive posts from others, and replies to those posts:
[image: image.png]

I am using Firefox and Gmail. I have no filters with dark anything in them.
Nothing from the user list has ever ended up in Spam.

Because of the peculiar behavior I have experienced, I thought you had to
Reply All in order for the person you were replying to to see the reply. I
apologize.



On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:48 PM Anton Aylward 
wrote:

> On 2021-02-22 2:21 p.m., Michael wrote:
> > I found the problem to be that people are not replying- all.
>
> Thank you but please, no, I don't want two copies in reply to what I send.
> You do "all" and it goes to the the sender AND the list.
> If anything you need to do a 'reply-to-list'.
> The headers make it very clear that this is a list, not a private
> communication.
>
> No, the issue is with the OP's response path.  Either his receiving end,
> perhaps
> his ISP, perhaps his Thunderbird settings.  That others see his posts and
> others
> see the first-level responses indicates the problem is not with the list
> or with
> others.
>
> What I DO see in the OP's posting is
>
>
> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>
> HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,SPF_HELO_NONE,URIBL_BLOCKED
>
> Maybe his own spam checker balks on his messages!
> I'd advise NOT sending in HTML.
> I'd advise using your ISP's proxy and not sending direct from
> Thunderbird's
> possibly flawed SMTP and you own possibly flawed machine's domain.
>
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Not seeing replies to my posts

[Bill Martz]

Patrick, I see your reply; you are replying to the list from Michael's
reply. When you replied to my original email to the list, I did not receive
it, except when Juan replied to it. Why don't I see direct replies?

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:37 PM Patrick Shanahan  wrote:

> * Michael  [02-22-21 14:24]:
> > I found the problem to be that people are not replying- all.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:16 PM Bill Martz
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I am using Firefox and Gmail. Thanks, anyway.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 1:45 PM Niranjan Rao  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 2/22/21 10:39 AM, Bill Martz wrote:
> > >>
> > >> This has been going on for quite a while, and fortunately I have
> gotten answers anyway:
> > >>
> > >> When I send an email to the users list, the only replies I see are
> when someone replies to someone else's initial reply to my post. For
> example,
> > >>
> > >> Patrick Shanahan apparently replied to my post, Open/Close Behavior
> of darkroom Left Hand Modules, but I didn't receive it. When Juan Navarro
> replied to Patrick's reply, I received that.
> > >>
> > >> I see replies by Patrick to other people's posts all the time, so I
> don't understand why it doesn't work for me. As far as I can tell, I am
> seeing everyone else's posts and all the replies to them.
> > >>
> > >> Is anyone able to give me a fix for this issue?
> > >>
> > >> Bill Martz
> > >>
> > >> P.S. If you would include this address in your reply, I hope to be
> able to see it:
> > >>
> > >> bill.in.michi...@gmail.com
> > >>
> > >>
> 
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Are you using thunderbird by any chance? I have seen similar behavior
> when using thunderbird and mailing lists. My postings do not show up in the
> list, but responses do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
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> >
> >
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> and *indeed* one SHOULD NOT REPLY ALL as most who read the list have
> absolutely no need or want for a duplicate msg.
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Not seeing replies to my posts

[Bill Martz]

How do I see all the other posts and replies?

I have received several replies to bill.in.michi...@gmail.com, but not to
darktable-user@lists.darktable.org.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:25 PM Michael  wrote:

> in other words if you only hit reply the only one who sees it is the
> author of the post.
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:23 PM Michael  wrote:
> >
> > they merely hit reply and that will not reply :
> > darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:21 PM Michael  wrote:
> > >
> > > I found the problem to be that people are not replying- all.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:16 PM Bill Martz
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am using Firefox and Gmail. Thanks, anyway.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 1:45 PM Niranjan Rao 
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> On 2/22/21 10:39 AM, Bill Martz wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> This has been going on for quite a while, and fortunately I have
> gotten answers anyway:
> > > >>
> > > >> When I send an email to the users list, the only replies I see are
> when someone replies to someone else's initial reply to my post. For
> example,
> > > >>
> > > >> Patrick Shanahan apparently replied to my post, Open/Close Behavior
> of darkroom Left Hand Modules, but I didn't receive it. When Juan Navarro
> replied to Patrick's reply, I received that.
> > > >>
> > > >> I see replies by Patrick to other people's posts all the time, so I
> don't understand why it doesn't work for me. As far as I can tell, I am
> seeing everyone else's posts and all the replies to them.
> > > >>
> > > >> Is anyone able to give me a fix for this issue?
> > > >>
> > > >> Bill Martz
> > > >>
> > > >> P.S. If you would include this address in your reply, I hope to be
> able to see it:
> > > >>
> > > >> bill.in.michi...@gmail.com
> > > >>
> > > >>
> 
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> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Are you using thunderbird by any chance? I have seen similar
> behavior when using thunderbird and mailing lists. My postings do not show
> up in the list, but responses do.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> 
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> >
> >
> >
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>
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Re: [darktable-user] Not seeing replies to my posts

[Bill Martz]

Wouldn't I see it if they replied to darktable-user@lists.darktable.org?

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:22 PM Michael  wrote:

> I found the problem to be that people are not replying- all.
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:16 PM Bill Martz
>  wrote:
> >
> > I am using Firefox and Gmail. Thanks, anyway.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 1:45 PM Niranjan Rao  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2/22/21 10:39 AM, Bill Martz wrote:
> >>
> >> This has been going on for quite a while, and fortunately I have gotten
> answers anyway:
> >>
> >> When I send an email to the users list, the only replies I see are when
> someone replies to someone else's initial reply to my post. For example,
> >>
> >> Patrick Shanahan apparently replied to my post, Open/Close Behavior of
> darkroom Left Hand Modules, but I didn't receive it. When Juan Navarro
> replied to Patrick's reply, I received that.
> >>
> >> I see replies by Patrick to other people's posts all the time, so I
> don't understand why it doesn't work for me. As far as I can tell, I am
> seeing everyone else's posts and all the replies to them.
> >>
> >> Is anyone able to give me a fix for this issue?
> >>
> >> Bill Martz
> >>
> >> P.S. If you would include this address in your reply, I hope to be able
> to see it:
> >>
> >> bill.in.michi...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> 
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> >>
> >>
> >> Are you using thunderbird by any chance? I have seen similar behavior
> when using thunderbird and mailing lists. My postings do not show up in the
> list, but responses do.
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Not seeing replies to my posts

[Bill Martz]

I am using Firefox and Gmail. Thanks, anyway.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 1:45 PM Niranjan Rao  wrote:

> On 2/22/21 10:39 AM, Bill Martz wrote:
>
> This has been going on for quite a while, and fortunately I have gotten
> answers anyway:
>
> When I send an email to the users list, the only replies I see are when
> someone replies to someone else's initial reply to my post. For example,
>
> Patrick Shanahan apparently replied to my post, Open/Close Behavior of
> darkroom Left Hand Modules, but I didn't receive it. When Juan Navarro
> replied to Patrick's reply, I received that.
>
> I see replies by Patrick to other people's posts all the time, so I don't
> understand why it doesn't work for me. As far as I can tell, I am seeing
> everyone else's posts and all the replies to them.
>
> Is anyone able to give me a fix for this issue?
>
> Bill Martz
>
> P.S. If you would include this address in your reply, I hope to be able to
> see it:
>
> bill.in.michi...@gmail.com
>
> 
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>
> Are you using thunderbird by any chance? I have seen similar behavior when
> using thunderbird and mailing lists. My postings do not show up in the
> list, but responses do.
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[darktable-user] Not seeing replies to my posts

[Bill Martz]

This has been going on for quite a while, and fortunately I have gotten
answers anyway:

When I send an email to the users list, the only replies I see are when
someone replies to someone else's initial reply to my post. For example,

Patrick Shanahan apparently replied to my post, Open/Close Behavior of
darkroom Left Hand Modules, but I didn't receive it. When Juan Navarro
replied to Patrick's reply, I received that.

I see replies by Patrick to other people's posts all the time, so I don't
understand why it doesn't work for me. As far as I can tell, I am seeing
everyone else's posts and all the replies to them.

Is anyone able to give me a fix for this issue?

Bill Martz

P.S. If you would include this address in your reply, I hope to be able to
see it:

bill.in.michi...@gmail.com


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Re: [darktable-user] Open/Close Behavior of darkroom Left Hand Modules

[Bill Martz]

Right, Juan. On my installation, those settings only seem to affect the
right-hand side.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 11:04 PM Juan Navarro  wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 7:34 PM Patrick Shanahan 
> wrote:
>
>> in the configuration, "gear wheel" icon
>> select darkroom and look at the lower half "modules"
>> the third item "expand a single processing module at a time"
>> you apparently have it selected.
>> I do not.
>>
>> On my installation (dt 3.4.1/Ubuntu) that setting only affects the
> processing modules (right-hand side). OP's problem seems to be with the
> left-hand side.
>
> Juan
>
>
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[darktable-user] Open/Close Behavior of darkroom Left Hand Modules

[Bill Martz]

I am running darktable-3.5.0+1034~g530a4808b-win64.exe on Win 10; I was
running darktable-3.5.0+1170~gb428b0d7f-win64.exe earlier today. Up until
now, when I opened a module on the left side in darkroom, it stayed open
when I opened any other module. Earlier today, I closed an image out of
darkroom, picked another in lighttable, and opened it in darkroom. At that
point, I could only open one module on the left-hand side at a time. This
evening, I installed the newer version, but the problem remains. I didn't
change anything in settings; I don't even see anything in settings that
controls this. Can anyone help me get the old behavior back?


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[darktable-user] Re: Module group presets

[Bill Martz]

Found it: Preset export/import.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 11:50 AM Bill Martz 
wrote:

> Is it possible to copy a manage module layouts preset from one
> installation of dt to another on a different drive?
>


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[darktable-user] Module group presets

[Bill Martz]

Is it possible to copy a manage module layouts preset from one installation
of dt to another on a different drive?


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Re: [darktable-user] Windows Nightly Builds

[Bill Martz]

Thanks, Martin. Big learning curve for me, but I will work on it.



On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 1:14 AM Martin Straeten 
wrote:

> No, you’re looking at the right place. There seems to be some issues in
> setting up the ci environment for windows.
> Best way is to build it yourself - the description in
> https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/tree/master/packaging/windows is
> quite good (but a setup in a ci environment is a different thing)
>
> Am 19.01.2021 um 03:21 schrieb Bill Martz :
>
> 
> I have the location of the nightly builds as
>
> https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/actions?query=workflow%3A
> "Nightly+PKG"
>
> What I see is there have not been any successful builds in 21 days. Am I
> looking in the wrong place?
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Which documentation to use?

[Bill Martz]

https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 11:08 PM  wrote:

> There is:
>
> http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/
>
> and
>
> https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/index.html
>
> are they the same? Which one should I use?
>
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[darktable-user] Windows Nightly Builds

[Bill Martz]

I have the location of the nightly builds as

https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/actions?query=workflow%3A
"Nightly+PKG"

What I see is there have not been any successful builds in 21 days. Am I
looking in the wrong place?


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Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

[Bill Martz]

I am not receiving all emails, just some. I didn't receive any that gave
information about the preset, only emails that indicated there was one.
Would someone fill me in?

Bill Martz


On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 6:47 PM Terry Pinfold  wrote:

> Hi Kofa,
>   I installed your preset and watched the video link. I believe I have
> improved upon your preset a little. In the YO curve you have dropped every
> level down to noisy. If for the finest detail (far right) you lift this
> half way you reduce luma noise without losing any significant level of
> detail. BTW, when I really experimented with the UOVO curve I independently
> decided on an identical setting to yours. I have tested my preset on a
> number of challenging presets and it works so so so good.   Thanks for this
> guidance. BTW, is there any way to change the default option for this
> module to my new preset?
>
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 10:12, Terry Pinfold  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the link. I will watch it today. I also use contrast equaliser
>> for noise reduction because it is wavelets based.
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 08:57, KOVÁCS István 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm glad you find it useful. I read somewhere or saw a video that said
>>> you could play with the noise reduction applied at the different
>>> detail levels, but you really had to raise the strength for the
>>> settings to be effective (it may have been this video from rawfiner,
>>> one of the developers, but I do not have time to re-watch it now:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZhbeXpx2W8).
>>> Someone (I think on discuss.pixls.us) has suggested an inverted U
>>> shape to leave fine details alone, so you may try that. I'm partial to
>>> my version, but we have different tastes, and possibly the type of
>>> camera also matters.
>>>
>>> Kofa
>>>
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>>
>>
>
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Re: [darktable-user] New Module Ordering

[Bill Martz]

At the top of the module stack, on the right-hand side, there is a presets
icon. Click on it and select manage presets. I added a legacy layout and
put my favorites in there. Trying to explain in detail what to do would be
a lot of work. Play with it, and post questions if you don't figure it out.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 4:46 PM David Vincent-Jones 
wrote:

> Manjaro/Arch ..XFCE ... Daily git.
>
> The latest way of ordering the modules eliminates the 'favorites' column.
> I had previously placed all of my common modules in that column and rarely
> had to switch to other columns during basic processing.
>
> With the new ordering system I can delete items in a column but cannot add
> items. This forces the user to always work with multiple columns even when
> working with simple images.
>
> I would be interested to know why the favorite column was deleted, or if
> it still could be added.
>
> David
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[darktable-user] darktable 3.3 unhandled exception

[Bill Martz]

The notice says share backtrace with developers. I don't know if this is
the way to do it or somewhere in github. I'll attach the backtrace, but if
I should be doing something else, let me know.


darktable user mailing list
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---

Error occurred on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 22:31:17.

darktable33b.exe caused an Access Violation at location 63653CE1 in 
module libdarktable.dll Reading from location 7F346000.

AddrPC   Params
63653CE1 053773A0 7FFB7C0A2EF8   
libdarktable.dll!dt_import_session_path
7FFB6CF8DE30 7B341030    
libgomp-1.dll!omp_in_final
7FFB7C0A4F33 E6E45E00  7B341030  
libwinpthread-1.dll!pthread_create_wrapper
7FFB92C4AF5A 7FFB92CA06D0 7B341030   
msvcrt.dll!_beginthreadex
7FFB92C4B02C     
msvcrt.dll!_endthreadex
7FFB92D66FD4     
KERNEL32.DLL!BaseThreadInitThunk
7FFB9371CEC1     
ntdll.dll!RtlUserThreadStart

darktable33b.exe3.3.0.1057
ntdll.dll   10.0.19041.488
KERNEL32.DLL10.0.19041.292
KERNELBASE.dll  10.0.19041.488
msvcrt.dll  7.0.19041.1
libintl-8.dll   0.19.8.0
ADVAPI32.dll10.0.19041.1
sechost.dll 10.0.19041.388
RPCRT4.dll  10.0.19041.508
libdarktable.dll
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ole32.dll   10.0.19041.153
GDI32.dll   10.0.19041.1
ucrtbase.dll10.0.19041.488
win32u.dll  10.0.19041.508
gdi32full.dll   10.0.19041.508
combase.dll 10.0.19041.508
libiconv-2.dll  1.16.0.0
msvcp_win.dll   10.0.19041.488
USER32.dll  10.0.19041.488
SHELL32.dll 10.0.19041.488
PSAPI.DLL   10.0.19041.1
WS2_32.dll  10.0.19041.1
libwinpthread-1.dll 1.0.0.0
libgcc_s_seh-1.dll
libstdc++-6.dll
libgomp-1.dll
libcairo-2.dll
libcurl-4.dll
CRYPT32.dll 10.0.19041.21
exchndl.dll 0.9.2.0
WLDAP32.dll 10.0.19041.1
libexiv2.dll
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0-0.dll 2.40.0.0
libgdk-3-0.dll  3.24.23.0
IMM32.dll   10.0.19041.1
SETUPAPI.dll10.0.19041.1
cfgmgr32.dll10.0.19041.1
bcrypt.dll  10.0.19041.1
libgmodule-2.0-0.dll2.66.1.0
libgio-2.0-0.dll2.66.1.0
libgobject-2.0-0.dll2.66.1.0
libgphoto2-6.dll
libgphoto2_port-12.dll
libGraphicsMagick-3.dll
libIlmImf-2_5.dll
libgtk-3-0.dll  3.24.23.0
libharfbuzz-0.dll
libjpeg-8.dll
libjson-glib-1.0-0.dll
comdlg32.dll10.0.19041.488
liblcms2-2.dll
lua53.dll
shcore.dll  10.0.19041.488
SHLWAPI.dll 10.0.19041.1
libpng16-16.dll
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libpangocairo-1.0-0.dll 1.46.2.0
libpugixml.dll
librsvg-2-2.dll
libsoup-2.4-1.dll
libsqlite3-0.dll
libxml2-2.dll
libfontconfig-1.dll
MSIMG32.dll 10.0.19041.508
libfreetype-6.dll   2.10.2.0
libpixman-1-0.dll
mgwhelp.dll 0.9.2.0
libbrotlidec.dll
VERSION.dll 10.0.19041.1
libidn2-0.dll
libnghttp2-14.dll
libcrypto-1_1-x64.dll   1.1.1.8
libssh2-1.dll
libpsl-5.dll
libzstd.dll
libssl-1_1-x64.dll  1.1.1.8
dwmapi.dll  10.0.19041.488
gdiplus.dll 10.0.19041.508
WINMM.dll   10.0.19041.1
libepoxy-0.dll
libcairo-gobject-2.dll
libpangowin32-1.0-0.dll 1.46.2.0
DNSAPI.dll  10.0.19041.508
IPHLPAPI.DLL10.0.19041.488
libexif-12.dll
libltdl-7.dll
libsystre-0.dll
libbz2-1.dll
libIex-2_5.dll
libHalf-2_5.dll
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[darktable-user] Copy and paste stop working while dt3.3 is running

[Bill Martz]

I am using darktable-3.3.0+1057~g92fae0e6c-win64.exe, a dev build for
Windows 10. Every so often, I lose the ability to copy or paste in other
applications. I also use a clipboard app called Clibor. Since I run that
all the time I don't know if that plays a part in this. To fix the problem,
I close and open dt.


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[darktable-user] Update files upon opening does not update

[Bill Martz]

 Running Windows 10, dt 3.2.1

Upon opening dt, the dialog box appears to update the database. I select
all files and update. After a short time, the files disappear from the
dialog box, and I click close. The next time I open dt, the same files
appear to be updated.

I have tried updating and immediately closing dt. Upon opening, the same
thing happens. Every now and then, the stars align, and when I open, some
new files are listed. Then the game begins all over again.


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Re: [darktable-user] Images disapear when switching from Darkroom to lightable view

[Bill Martz]

This happens to me sometimes. I am using Windows 10. No clue to cause.

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 1:13 PM Marc Sitkin  wrote:

> When switching from darkroom to lightable view my filmroll images
> disappear. Also happens when leaving map module to lightable view.
>
> I can restore them by selecting the film roll in recently used collections
> I'm working in the file manager view, with images with one star selected.
>
> darktable version 3.2.1 from Manjaro repositories
> Linux Manjaro Gnome Mikah 20.1
> Hp Envy Desktop, 32 G ram, 4g Radeon 550 graphics
> OpenCL enabled.
>
> Any clues as to what's happening?
>
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Re: [darktable-user] How to move around in the tone equalizer module?

[Bill Martz]

Go up to the thumbnail in the upper left corner and click on it where you
want the image to be displayed.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:27 PM  wrote:

> DT 3.2.1 appimage on Manjaro
>
> If I set the image display in the darkroom to 100%. How do I move
> around the image?
>
> Right now I close the module, move around, reopen the module... Any
> better way?
>
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Re: [darktable-user] RE: dt 3.2.1 on windows crash when zooming in or under mask editing when zooming in

[Bill Martz]

If you compress the history stack, it will update your xmp file. If you
don't want to compress, I believe the only way is to go to lighttable.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:22 PM  wrote:

> Marc again here.
>
>
>
> I can reproduce it now (I had the problem earlier today) and have filed a
> bug report on github with all details and files I had to offer, including
> the raw file and sidecar file.  Hoping on some solution.  Anyhow my other
> questions are still open:
>
>- What can I do to save my edits now and then ? leave the darkroom and
>go to the lighttable ? leave darktabIe and restart ?
>- Are such crashes a known issue ? (perhaps on Windows only)
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marc.
>
>
>
> *Van:* Marc Cabuy 
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 8 september 2020 15:08
> *Aan:* darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> *Onderwerp:* dt 3.2.1 on windows crash when zooming in or under mask
> editing when zooming in
>
>
>
> I am new to dt since end of June 2020.  Under dt 3.2.1 on Windows 10, I
> encounter every now and then (say once a week) a crash when zooming in or
> under mask editing while zooming in. In all cases the module stack is
> rather large (20 plus modules: am still in learning/experimental phase).
> Usually I cannot reproduce the crash and will move on with my work by
> restarting dt. Most often (if not always) I will have lost the majority of
> the edits of the dt session that crashed.
>
>
>
> These are my questions:
>
>- What can I do to save my edits now and then ? leave the darkroom and
>go to the lighttable ? leave darktabIe and restart ?
>- Are such crashes a known issue ? (perhaps on Windows only)
>- Is the reporting of such crashes of any value since not reproducible
>? What other info is needed when reporting ? (I created an account a
>github, in case I want to file a crash report.)
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marc.
>
>
>
> PS So far I consider this as a nuisance, but it won’t go away by itself.
> So if useful I will report.
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Channel mixer bug?

[Bill Martz]

I didn't remember exactly what it was about, but I found the post, and it
was about converting to BW:
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/black-printing-problem/19048/6

I appreciate the explanation.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 10:42 PM Matt Maguire 
wrote:

> Le sam. 5 sept. 2020 à 11:55, Bill Martz 
> a écrit :
>
>> I will have to dig through my Pixls posts to find this, but I posted
>> about a problem using channel mixer, and I received that suggestion in
>> reply. I tried it, and it fixed the problem as far as I could tell. I will
>> see if I can find it tomorrow.
>>
>
> Putting the channel mixer after the filmic module will "solve" the
> clipping problem, but remember that channel mixer is doing a matrix
> multiplication. When you multiply in a linear space like we have before
> fimlic, you are doing a scaling, but when you multiply in a log space like
> what we have after filmic, it becomes like raising the values to a power,
> which will mess around with the contrast. If the adjustments are small,
> maybe this won't matter too much in practice, but I was just warning from a
> maths perspective, it could become problematic especially for larger
> adjustmentd. The ideal situation is to do those sorts of scaling and
> rotation transformations in a linear space without doing any clipping, then
> at the end of those transforms you apply your non-linear look transform
> using filmic/tonecurve/basecurve/whatever.
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Re: [darktable-user] Channel mixer bug?

[Bill Martz]

I will have to dig through my Pixls posts to find this, but I posted about
a problem using channel mixer, and I received that suggestion in reply. I
tried it, and it fixed the problem as far as I could tell. I will see if I
can find it tomorrow.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 2:36 PM Matt Maguire 
wrote:

> Le sam. 5 sept. 2020 à 03:55, Bill Martz 
> a écrit :
>
>> Try moving channel mixer above filmic rgb in the list on the right side.
>> Ctrl+Shft+right click on channel mixer module. Then move up the list. I
>> sometimes have trouble getting it to land exactly where I want it to be, so
>> if it is not where you want it, move it again.
>>
>
> Not sure that is really advisable. The transfer curve of the filmic module
> will avoid you running afoul of the clipping function, but it will also
> apply a gamma power function to the data, which means you are no longer
> working in a linear space, and performing an RGB matrix multiplication with
> channel mixer at that point means you could get different amounts of hue
> shift at different brightness levels, which would make it quite tricky to
> control.
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Re: [darktable-user] Channel mixer bug?

[Bill Martz]

Try moving channel mixer above filmic rgb in the list on the right side.
Ctrl+Shft+right click on channel mixer module. Then move up the list. I
sometimes have trouble getting it to land exactly where I want it to be, so
if it is not where you want it, move it again.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 12:05 PM Mikael Ståldal  wrote:

> After playing around with the channel mixer on some pictures, I get an
> odd effect sometimes. Just enabling the module with default settings
> sometimes affects the picture, the histogram jumps to the left and I
> lose detail in the highlights. Seems to happen when I also use filmic
> RGB. Is this intended, or a bug?
>
>
> On 2020-09-01 21:04, Mikael Ståldal wrote:
> > I have tried to use the channel mixer module, but I don't quite
> > understand it. I have only been able to effectively use the presets.
> >
> > I have read the user manual, but it didn't help much.
> >
> > I also looked at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGvkSTjjtMw
> > but it seems like Bruce Williams was quite confused as well.
> >
> > Any suggestions for documentation or tutorials?
> >
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Channel mixer

[Bill Martz]

The channel mixer in dt, as it is in Raw Therapee and GIMP, is a GUI. What
you need to understand is mixing. Here's a video that has the use of
channel mixer at the beginning of the editing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUP1TxVeL44

Here's a guide that I developed to help me understand what happens:

*Red channel*:

Increase green slider, which increases red where there is green and
therefore *the hue shifts to* *yellow* until you get to blue, and then *the
hue shifts to* *magenta*.

Decrease green slider, which decreases red where there is yellow and
therefore *increases* *green*.

Increase blue slider, which increases red where there is blue and
therefore *the
hue shifts to* *magenta* until you get to green, and then *the hue shifts
to* *yellow*.

Decrease blue slider, which decreases red where there is magenta and
therefore *increases* *blue*.

Increase red slider, and *the hue shifts to* *yellow* where there is green
mixed with red and *the hue shifts to* *magenta* where there is blue mixed
with red.

Decrease red slider, which decreases red and *increases* *green* where
there is cyan and *increases* *blue* where there is magenta.

*Green channel*:

Increase red slider, which increases green where there is red and
therefore *the
hue shifts to* *yellow* until you get to blue, and then *the hue shifts to*
*cyan*.

Decrease red slider, which decreases green where there is yellow and
therefore *increases* *red*.

Increase blue slider, which increases green where there is blue and
therefore *the hue shifts to* *cyan* until you get to red, and then *the
hue shifts to* *yellow*.

Decrease blue slider, which decreases green where there is cyan and
therefore *increases* *blue*.

Increase green slider, and *the hue shifts to* *cyan* where there is blue
and *the hue shifts to* *yellow* where there is red.

Decrease green slider, which decreases green and *increases* *red* where
there is yellow and *increases* *blue* where there is cyan.

*Blue channel*:

Increase red slider, which increases blue where there is red and therefore *the
hue shifts to* *magenta* until you get to green, and then *the hue shifts
to* *cyan*.

Decrease red slider, which decreases blue where there is magenta and
therefore *increases* *red*.

Increase green slider, which increases blue where there is green and
therefore *the hue shifts to* *cyan* until you get to red, and then *the
hue shifts to* *magenta*.

Decrease green slider, which decreases green where there is cyan and
therefore *increases* *green*.

Increase blue slider, which *the hue shifts to* *cyan* where there is green
and *the hue shifts to* *magenta* where there is red.

Decrease blue slider, which decreases blue and *increases* *red* where
there is magenta and *increases* *green* where there is cyan.





On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 9:26 AM Mikael Ståldal  wrote:

> Thanks, but those are not about Darktable:
>
> https://discuss.pixls.us/t/please-help-me-to-understand-channel-mixer/665
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgTLw31PVNs
>
>
> On 2020-09-02 14:23, Bill Martz wrote:
> > Here are some links:
> >
> >
> https://discuss.pixls.us/t/mastering-color-with-lab-tone-curves-revisited/19854/17
> >
> https://discuss.pixls.us/t/please-help-me-to-understand-channel-mixer/665
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgTLw31PVNs
> > https://discuss.pixls.us/t/swift-play-with-the-channel-mixer/17244
> > https://discuss.pixls.us/t/using-the-waveform-in-darktable/17427/5
> >
> > There is a pdf at the first link that I recommend you download and look
> at.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 3:05 PM Mikael Ståldal  > <mailto:mik...@staldal.nu>> wrote:
> >
> > I have tried to use the channel mixer module, but I don't quite
> > understand it. I have only been able to effectively use the presets.
> >
> > I have read the user manual, but it didn't help much.
> >
> > I also looked at this video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGvkSTjjtMw
> > but it seems like Bruce Williams was quite confused as well.
> >
> > Any suggestions for documentation or tutorials?
> >
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Re: [darktable-user] Channel mixer

[Bill Martz]

Here are some links:

https://discuss.pixls.us/t/mastering-color-with-lab-tone-curves-revisited/19854/17
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/please-help-me-to-understand-channel-mixer/665
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgTLw31PVNs
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/swift-play-with-the-channel-mixer/17244
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/using-the-waveform-in-darktable/17427/5

There is a pdf at the first link that I recommend you download and look at.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 3:05 PM Mikael Ståldal  wrote:

> I have tried to use the channel mixer module, but I don't quite
> understand it. I have only been able to effectively use the presets.
>
> I have read the user manual, but it didn't help much.
>
> I also looked at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGvkSTjjtMw
> but it seems like Bruce Williams was quite confused as well.
>
> Any suggestions for documentation or tutorials?
>
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[darktable-user] Titles don't appear in image information

[Bill Martz]

Windows 10, dt 3.2.1.

I usually name my duplicates, but the names are not showing up in the Title
slot in the image information display. As a first step to attempt to fix
it, I uninstalled and reinstalled dt, but it still doesn't work. What is
strange is that I manually created a second installation, and when I run
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Re: [darktable-user] Loss of folder usage history after crashes

[Bill Martz]

Yes, that's it. A shortcut key to force a write would be what I am looking
for.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 5:04 PM August Schwerdfeger 
wrote:

> I believe he is talking about the collection history ("recently used
> collections"), which is written on exit to 'darktablerc' rather than
> continuously to the database. When Darktable crashes, the collection
> history from the current run is always lost.
>
> --
> August Schwerdfeger
> aug...@schwerdfeger.name
>
> On 8/8/20 3:52 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * Bill Martz  [08-08-20 16:08]:
> >> Thanks, Patrick, but I am already writing the xmps. What I meant was dt
> >> crashes. This was the first time in a long time, but I hadn't closed it
> for
> >> days, and all the importing I had done was lost. Lost in the sense that
> I
> >> had to import each folder again, and then close dt so the importing
> would
> >> stay in the database. I don't understand that dt doesn't write to the
> >> database upon import. After a crash, when I open dt it displays the
> >> contents of the folder that was open the last time I closed dt. All
> other
> >> importing history is lost.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 3:38 PM Patrick Shanahan 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> * Bill Martz  [08-08-20 14:17]:
> >>>> Windows 10, dt 3.0.2 and V4 dev. version
> >>>>
> >>>> Crashes have been nonexistent more recently, and I have gotten out of
> the
> >>>> habit of closing dt after importing folders/files. Earlier today dt V4
> >>> dev
> >>>> crashed, and the importing history covering several folders was lost.
> Is
> >>>> there some way to get this information written into the database
> without
> >>>> having to close dt?
> >>> turn on "write sidecar file for each image"
> >>> config -> storage -> xmp
> >>>
> >>> sidecar files will be written as photos are imported.  If you have a
> >>> crash, ensuing imports will read the sidecar files which contain your
> >>> image history/tags/...
> >>>
> >>> not running windows but cannot remember the last time I had a crash.
> >>>
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> > No my experience, but I usually close dt after I finish a session or
> > finish working for the day, unless exporting.  I believe dt adds or
> stores
> > events as they happen rather than on close or I don't understand your
> > problem.
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Re: [darktable-user] Loss of folder usage history after crashes

[Bill Martz]

Thanks, Patrick, but I am already writing the xmps. What I meant was dt
crashes. This was the first time in a long time, but I hadn't closed it for
days, and all the importing I had done was lost. Lost in the sense that I
had to import each folder again, and then close dt so the importing would
stay in the database. I don't understand that dt doesn't write to the
database upon import. After a crash, when I open dt it displays the
contents of the folder that was open the last time I closed dt. All other
importing history is lost.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 3:38 PM Patrick Shanahan  wrote:

> * Bill Martz  [08-08-20 14:17]:
> > Windows 10, dt 3.0.2 and V4 dev. version
> >
> > Crashes have been nonexistent more recently, and I have gotten out of the
> > habit of closing dt after importing folders/files. Earlier today dt V4
> dev
> > crashed, and the importing history covering several folders was lost. Is
> > there some way to get this information written into the database without
> > having to close dt?
>
> turn on "write sidecar file for each image"
> config -> storage -> xmp
>
> sidecar files will be written as photos are imported.  If you have a
> crash, ensuing imports will read the sidecar files which contain your
> image history/tags/...
>
> not running windows but cannot remember the last time I had a crash.
>
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[darktable-user] Loss of folder usage history after crashes

[Bill Martz]

Windows 10, dt 3.0.2 and V4 dev. version

Crashes have been nonexistent more recently, and I have gotten out of the
habit of closing dt after importing folders/files. Earlier today dt V4 dev
crashed, and the importing history covering several folders was lost. Is
there some way to get this information written into the database without
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Re: [darktable-user] Gradient mask question

[Bill Martz]

I don't see an answer to your question yet, so here's a demo from your
Black Printing Problem post:

Regards,
Bill Martz

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 7:42 PM David Vincent-Jones 
wrote:

> I am looking for the way to place a hard limit to the mask on the maximum
> side. If I remember correctly this can be done with 2 masks used together
> but I forgot how it works.
>
> I need to start a mask with full density at a specific part of the image
> and then fade the mask away from that line. Does somebody remember how that
> works?
>
> David
>
> . and before somebody asks the question ... Manjaro/Arch/XFCE/daily git
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Description: Binary data

[darktable-user] Bug report: Combined drawn and parametric mask not working in Windows V4 dev. version

[Bill Martz]

I tried to see if this was reported on Github, but did not find it. Using
the raw image, P1120111.ORF, which can be downloaded at
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/new-to-raw-hate-my-results-so-far/17486, I tried
to mask everything but the sky in color balance using a drawn/parametric
mask combination. Selecting on H, hue, the setting for input was negative
polarity, 0, 0, 197, 197. I then added a path mask around the portion of
the lake that remained unselected, polarity positive. The area within the
path remained unselected. This same setup does work in dt 3.0.2.  Has
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Re: [darktable-user] Camera calibration profiles

[Bill Martz]

What I was indicating was that for a beginner, it is tempting to think that
a good starting point is the jpg, but as I explained, that's not what dt is
designed for, nor what users want.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:57 PM Pascal Obry  wrote:

> Le vendredi 24 juillet 2020 à 15:53 -0400, Bill Martz a écrit :
> > It's very tempting to want to start with the jpg setup and modify
> > from there.
>
> Why? Out of camera Jpeg is "designed" by the engineer of the camera.
> Not two jpegs from different vendors are the same. So why it is even
> good? Why it is even a good start?
>
> This question comes very often and I'm still not understanding the
> goal. The out of camera jpeg is one possibility out of many others and
> most the time the vendors do boost the colors as it please the
> beginners.
>
> Try Filmic, do the rendering yourself... Create your own preset, be
> creative and stop trying to follow designed paths which are not not to
> be the ultimate choice.
>
> --
>   Pascal Obry /  Magny Les Hameaux (78)
>
>   The best way to travel is by means of imagination
>
>   http://www.obry.net
>
>   gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key F949BD3B
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Camera calibration profiles

[Bill Martz]

It's very tempting to want to start with the jpg setup and modify from
there. Using the basecurve is as close as darktable will come for a raw.
You can always convert a jpg to a tif and edit that, but you are starting
with all the changes made to produce the jpg and cannot get back to what
was originally there.

darktable is used by people that want total creative freedom, and it is
designed to provide this while being accurate in making color changes
without mathematical distortions. Much work has been done to convert to
linear RGB by the developers. I suggest you search Pixil for Aurélien
Pierre, aurelienpierre, and read his latest posts. Also study Play Raw
posts, where you can download image files and the xmp files produced by
multiple posters and examine them. Boris Hajdukovic, s7habo, has produced a
ton of videos on editing with darktable. And so have many others. The whole
idea is to produce something better than the jpg.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 1:47 PM Mikael Ståldal  wrote:

> That sounds quite complicated. I just want to be able to use the
> profiles that are built-in in my cameras. With Lightroom, I could
> extract them with Adobe DNG Profile Editor.
>
>
> On 2020-07-24 12:16, KOVÁCS István wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 11:24, Mikael Ståldal  wrote:
> >> In Lightroom, I could apply camera calibration profiles to make RAW
> >> images look like JPEGs from from camera. And also chose between
> >> different profiles from the camera (like portrait, landscape,
> >> monochrome, vivid). Is it possible to do this in Darktable?
> >
> > You may find a ready-made style, but if not, you can make your own:
> > https://pixls.us/articles/profiling-a-camera-with-darktable-chart/
> > 'Either we fit to a JPEG generated by the camera, which can also apply
> > creative styles (such as film emulations, filters), or we profile
> > against real color reproduction. For real color a color target ships
> > with a file providing the color values for each patch it has.
> > In summary, we can create a profile that emulates the manufactures
> > color processing inside the body, or we can create a profile that
> > renders real color as accurately as possible.'
> >
> > Kofa
> >
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[darktable-user] Crashes when opening other's xmps

[Bill Martz]

Sometimes when I attempt to use an xmp from a Play Raw dt crashes. I use
Windows, and I gather those xmps are from developmental versions of dt.
Does anyone else experience this? Is there something that can be done to
stop the crashes?


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