Re: [darktable-user] Export geotagged JPEGS without recompression

[Michael Rasmussen]

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 21:01:22 -0300
Guillermo Rozas  wrote:

> If the only thing you want to do is to add GPS data, probably
> darktable is not the best tool for the job. You need a program that
> deals with the metadata of the file without touching the image data,
> like exiftool or exiv2 or any mapping app built around them. Maybe
> look at digiKam for this. Best regards,

The developer of exiftool has made a GUI for exiftool which supports
among other things GPS data: https://hvdwolf.github.io/jExifToolGUI/ 

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[darktable-user] Re: DT 4.6.1 Freezes on Export

[michael raider]

I've been able to get photos exported by compressing the history stack and 
removing any instances of the "diffuse or sharpen" module.



I assume this is only an issue due to my low performance laptop and that export 
would work without these extra steps on my more powerful desktop with OpenCL.



Michael







 On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 15:52:59 -0800 michael raider  wrote 
---



I'm on Fedora 39 with DT 4.6.1.



Today I successfully exported about 30 images from three different collections. 
I then tried to export 7 images from a fourth collection and DT froze. Task 
manager showed DT was using in excess of 80% of processing power and after many 
minutes it did not produce an output. I then tried DT-cli and with --verbose I 
get the following output:



/opt/darktable/bin/darktable-cli _3022080.ORF _3022080.jpg --style 
watermark-with-logo --verbose

●  diffuse or sharpen dehaze

●  denoise (profiled)

○  haze removal

○  denoise (profiled)

●  lens correction

●  color calibration

●  sigmoid scene-referred default

●  orientation auto

●  exposure scene-referred default

●  color calibration scene-referred default

●  highlight reconstruction

●  white balance

●  display encoding

●  output color profile

●  input color profile

●  demosaic

●  raw black/white point



It's been stuck at "●  raw black/white point" for many minutes.



I have no clue what I did that caused this to happen.



I would appreciate any help to get this corrected.



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[darktable-user] DT 4.6.1 Freezes on Export

[michael raider]

I'm on Fedora 39 with DT 4.6.1.


Today I successfully exported about 30 images from three different collections. 
I then tried to export 7 images from a fourth collection and DT froze. Task 
manager showed DT was using in excess of 80% of processing power and after many 
minutes it did not produce an output. I then tried DT-cli and with --verbose I 
get the following output:



/opt/darktable/bin/darktable-cli _3022080.ORF _3022080.jpg --style 
watermark-with-logo --verbose

●  diffuse or sharpen dehaze

●  denoise (profiled)

○  haze removal

○  denoise (profiled)

●  lens correction

●  color calibration

●  sigmoid scene-referred default

●  orientation auto

●  exposure scene-referred default

●  color calibration scene-referred default

●  highlight reconstruction

●  white balance

●  display encoding

●  output color profile

●  input color profile

●  demosaic

●  raw black/white point



It's been stuck at "●  raw black/white point" for many minutes.



I have no clue what I did that caused this to happen.



I would appreciate any help to get this corrected.



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Re: [darktable-user] specs

[Michael Rasmussen]

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:12:03 +
Marc Cabuy  wrote:

> From experience I can tell that interactive response time of dt also
> depends on the resolution of your display. There is a big difference
> in response time between a 1080 points display versus a 2160 points
> (4K) display. Also, as already mentioned, the size of your files
> plays a role. I experience a slower response time with my 24 MP files
> versus my 16 MP files. Therefore I refrain from acquiring an higher
> resolution camera. What all this means in memory and gpu capacity
> depends on your expectations on interactive response time. Marc.
> 
Also remember to factor in which kind of disk system you have -
Spinning disk, SSD or NVME, since the disk is used as a temporary
storage.

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[darktable-user] specs

[Michael]

Gimp and darktable will run nicely on 16GB ram?

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Re: [darktable-user] dt 4.6.1 - Fatal error in build from source; advice requested

[michael]

I have the same issue on my Fedora 39 system...actually it's the same
failure on both my desktop and laptop machines. I was successful in
compiling 4.6.0 on both machines so this one is a stumper. As I recall
I had a similar problem with 4.6.0 and I had to load lensfun from their
git repository which fixed the problem. I re-loaded lensfun from git
but that didn't fix the problem this time.

On Tue, 2024-02-20 at 10:25 +, tony Hamilton wrote:
> I'm building dt 4.6.1 following the build procedure in the READMe.MD
> file on
> github as accurately as I am able to - that is I am following every
> command
> line instruction/example given. I'm running Mint 21.3, up to date as
> of this
> morning.
> 
> The build proceeds to about 95% complete; it then posts this error
> (copied
> from my terminal dialog):
> 
> { 95%] Linking C shared module libtiff.so
> [ 95%] Linking C shared module libwebp.so
> [ 95%] Linking CXX shared module libdemosaic.so
> [ 96%] Linking C shared module libj2k.so
> [ 96%] Built target tiff
> In file included from
> /home/tony/darktable/build/lib/darktable/plugins/introspection_lens.c
> c:175:
> /home/tony/darktable/src/iop/lens.cc: In function ‘lfModifier*
> _get_modifier(int*, int, int, const dt_iop_lens_data_t*, int,
> gboolean)’:
> /home/tony/darktable/src/iop/lens.cc:985:46: error: no matching
> function for
> call to ‘lfModifier::lfModifier(lfLens* const&, const float&, const
> int&,
> const int&)’
>   985 |   mod = new lfModifier(d->lens, d->crop, w, h);
>   |  ^
> compilation terminated due to -Wfatal-errors.
> [ 96%] Building C object
> lib/darktable/plugins/imageio/storage/CMakeFiles/latex.dir/latex.c.o
> gmake[2]: ***
> [lib/darktable/plugins/CMakeFiles/lens.dir/build.make:82:
> lib/darktable/plugins/CMakeFiles/lens.dir/introspection_lens.cc.o]
> Error 1
> gmake[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:6141:
> lib/darktable/plugins/CMakeFiles/lens.dir/all] Error 2
> gmake[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
> [ 96%] Built target webp
> [ 96%] Built target demosaic
> 
> This might be indicating an error in line 985 of file lens.cc in
> /darktable/src/iop - but I suspect more strongly that this is a user
> error
> resulting from some file not being included or at the wrong version.
> No
> unfulfilled dependencies are flagged and I have a valid version of
> lensfun
> installed. Any suggestion of where I should be looking to determine
> the cause?
> 
> The error is consistently reproducible. I am deleting ~/darktable and
> /opt/darktable entirely between build attempts.
> 
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[darktable-user] Compile Help

[michael]

I am having difficulty compiling release 4.6.1 (see error message
below) on a Fedora 39 machine. It looks to me like a lensfun error, but
lensfun is installed on my machine. 

Why am I compiling? OBS does not have a 4.6.1 release for Fedora 39 and
the OBS repository fail gpgcheck with its' outdated key. Also, I am not
interested in running the flat pack. 

I've successfully compiled previous versions of DT on this machine and
this one has me stumped.

Any help compiling this would be appreciated.

Thanks, Michael

~~~

In file included from
darktable/build/lib64/darktable/plugins/introspection_lens.cc:175:
darktable/src/iop/lens.cc: In function ‘lfModifier* _get_modifier(int*,
int, int, const dt_iop_lens_data_t*, int, gboolean)’:
darktable/src/iop/lens.cc:985:46: error: no matching function for call
to ‘lfModifier::lfModifier(lfLens* const&, const float&, const int&,
const int&)’
  985 |   mod = new lfModifier(d->lens, d->crop, w, h);
  |  ^
compilation terminated due to -Wfatal-errors.
gmake[2]: ***
[lib64/darktable/plugins/CMakeFiles/lens.dir/build.make:82:
lib64/darktable/plugins/CMakeFiles/lens.dir/introspection_lens.cc.o]
Error 1
gmake[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:6433:
lib64/darktable/plugins/CMakeFiles/lens.dir/all] Error 2
gmake[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
[100%] Built target darktable-chart
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[SOLVED] Re: [darktable-user] Module "rotate and perspective" / aspect ratio

[Michael Fritze]

Am Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2023, 21:00:40 CET schrieb Jean-Luc:
> Le 10/12/2023 à 19:13, Michael Fritze a écrit :
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I use the "rotate and perspective" a lot and I only miss one feature.
> > Maybe I did not find it, maybe there is another module to do this.
> > When I use this module most times X/Y ratio does not look correct. E.g.
> > squares are not squares and circles look like an ellipse.
> > Is there a way to scale aspect ratio?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Last option when specific is selected as lens type is Aspect adjustment
> (Ajustement de l'aspect, in french).
> Could you check if it is set to 1.00 when the problem occurs ?
Lens Model was set to "generic". Switching to "specific" sets it to 1.00 and 
then aspect ratio fits as far as I can see. If not, this is the place for 
adjusting it.

Thanks a lot, solved! :-)
> 
> Rgrds,
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Module "rotate and perspective" / aspect ratio

[Michael Fritze]

Bernhard,

my screen settings are correct. It has nothing to do with display.

Am Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2023, 20:10:38 CET schrieb Bernhard:
> Michael Fritze schrieb am 10.12.23 um 19:13:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I use the "rotate and perspective" a lot and I only miss one feature.
> > Maybe I did not find it, maybe there is another module to do this.
> > When I use this module most times X/Y ratio does not look correct. E.g.
> > squares are not squares and circles look like an ellipse.
> > Is there a way to scale aspect ratio?
>
> Is the screen resolution of your desktop set correctly - that means does the
> setting correspond to your display?





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Re: [darktable-user] Module "rotate and perspective" / aspect ratio

[Michael Fritze]

Willy,

yes I use mostly the right one.

Am Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2023, 19:57:27 CET schrieb Willy Williams:
> Michael,
>
>  Are you using the "fit" icons () to achieve your objective?  Look
> at section 8.2.58 on p. 167-170 of The Fine Manual.
>
> Willy Williams
>
> **
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> On 12/10/2023 at 13:13, Michael Fritze wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I use the "rotate and perspective" a lot and I only miss one feature.
> > Maybe I did not find it, maybe there is another module to do this.
> > When I use this module most times X/Y ratio does not look correct. E.g.
> > squares are not squares and circles look like an ellipse.
> > Is there a way to scale aspect ratio?
> >
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[darktable-user] Module "rotate and perspective" / aspect ratio

[Michael Fritze]

Hi,

I use the "rotate and perspective" a lot and I only miss one feature. Maybe I
did not find it, maybe there is another module to do this.
When I use this module most times X/Y ratio does not look correct. E.g.
squares are not squares and circles look like an ellipse.
Is there a way to scale aspect ratio?



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Re: [darktable-user] darktable flatpak opencl support

[Michael Staats]

On 30/07/2023 16:53, Michael Staats wrote:


And now it works!

$ flatpak run org.darktable.Darktable -d opencl
[...]
opencl_init]    0    'NVIDIA CUDA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660'
[opencl_init] FINALLY: opencl is AVAILABLE and ENABLED.
[...]


Ok, here's an "interesting" update. After a "flatpak update" (which
re-installed the same version of the nvidia drivers), it stopped working...

When I run a non-flatpak "/usr/bin/darktable-cltest", it tells me that
opencl does work (as always).

The funny thing is: After that, the flatpak version of dt also *does*
work with opencl. Hm. Not sure if I want to understand what's going
on here. Anyway, it's a workaround for me now...

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable flatpak opencl support

[Michael Staats]

On 25/07/2023 16:39, Michael Staats wrote:

On 25/07/2023 16:26, Guillermo Rozas wrote:

    a) NVidia as flatpak? That's an option, but I would need to find
out how
    to do it. Same problem as with the next option.


First you need to have the 'normal' kernel driver (deb) package for

[...]


- use nvidia-smi to look for the exact system driver version xxx.yy.zz
- flatpak install flathub org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-xxx-yy-zz


[...]

Hi Guillermo
Thanks a lot for that. I might give it a try.
Best regards,


Hi all
I gave it a try, and failed -- at first.
The key is: You also need to give access to GPU. Apparently not only to
the darktable flatpak, but also to the device driver. For this, I used
https://flathub.org/apps/com.github.tchx84.Flatseal
It did not show me the drivers as "application", so I gave access for
all applications. Not a problem for me now, I'm (currently) not
interested in the "container" features of flatpak.

And now it works!

$ flatpak run org.darktable.Darktable -d opencl
[...]
opencl_init]0   'NVIDIA CUDA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660'
[opencl_init] FINALLY: opencl is AVAILABLE and ENABLED.
[...]

Thanks so much.

I'll now copy my dt config from ~/.config/darktable to
~/.var/app/org.darktable.Darktable/config/darktable
and start using it. I'll keep the old config as backup, will rename
/usr/bin/darktable etc.etc. You get the idea.

(Just for the records: I also tried to compile dt, does not work on
Debian 11 -- gcc too old -- I tried on my Laptop with Debian 12, ran
into an internal compiler error, that's were I stopped...)

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable and tethering

[Michael Rasmussen]

Hi Greig,

On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 14:58:48 +1000
Andrew Greig  wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> 
> I have read the chapter in the Fine Manual on tethering, but I have
> an issue with the system capturing the camera before darktable can
> assert itself. If I am lucky the icon for the attached camera appears
> on my Linux Mint Desktop, then I can unmount the camera and get
> darktable to mount it. It appears  in lsusb  as Easy Camera.
> 
> My best case scenario would be to make darktable the default, and the
> heck with anything else. But that is beyond my skill level.
> 
> I am hoping to run a ZOOM meeting on Thursday night where a tethered
> camera is required.
> 

The easiest way is to wait to connect the camera until Darktable is
started and in case you need to work with the camera in another program
then disconnect the camera before starting Darktable.

The problem is that connecting a device to a program is like bluetooth
- when one device are connected connections to other devices are
  blocked. In technical terms these connections are 1 - 1.

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable flatpak opencl support

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On 25/07/2023 16:26, Guillermo Rozas wrote:

a) NVidia as flatpak? That's an option, but I would need to find out how
to do it. Same problem as with the next option.


First you need to have the 'normal' kernel driver (deb) package for
NVidia installed (nvidia-driver-xxx and all its dependencies takes care
of that), and then install the flatpak version:

- use nvidia-smi to look for the exact system driver version xxx.yy.zz
- flatpak install flathub org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-xxx-yy-zz

(https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/mzhjxa/getting_flatpak_to_work_with_nvidia_driver/
 
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/mzhjxa/getting_flatpak_to_work_with_nvidia_driver/>)

Afterwards, you should run a flatpak update every time you update the
system driver (reboot before so the system driver is active).

Best regards,
Guillermo


Hi Guillermo
Thanks a lot for that. I might give it a try.
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Re: [darktable-user] darktable flatpak opencl support

[Michael Staats]

On 25/07/2023 08:49, Remco Viëtor wrote:

Did you also install the NVidia drivers as flatpak? I understood that flatpak
won't use the system drivers (sandboxing...).

An alternative would be to compile dt yourself, it's not all that difficult if
you follow the instructions provided with the source.

Or just wait a bit longer, the announcement of version 4.4.2 on darktable.org
is dated 2023-07-22... Packagers may need a few days to package a new version
(more if they are away for holidays)

Remco


Hi Remco
Thanks a lot for your comments.

a) NVidia as flatpak? That's an option, but I would need to find out how
to do it. Same problem as with the next option.

b) Compile myself: Sure, that's an option. I'm not scared of it, I've
done worse (like in the 90ies, when everyone was using SunOS, and I
tried to compile open source software on AIX ;-). Main problem here: I'm
lazy ;-) (I call it "efficient", but others use other words).

c) Sure. Just wait. No problem with that. 4.4.0 is great already, and
this option is fully compatible with being lazy ;-) I really appreciate
the efforts, and the packagers deserve all the holiday that is possible.


Ok, there is a chance that my impatience and curiosity is bigger than my
laziness. Hmm. Yes. Seems so -- starting the download of the source now ;-)

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[darktable-user] darktable flatpak opencl support

[Michael Staats]

Hi
I'm on Debian 11, and it seems that there is no dt 4.4.2 package on OBS.
Same for Debian 12, so an upgrade will not help.

So I thought I'd give the flatpak version a try. Installs nicely, and
after copying from ~/.config/darktable to
~/.var/app/org.darktable.Darktable/config/darktable, 4.4.2 starts and
all looks good.

Except: There is no openCL support. Which is bad, the only reason I have
a GTX 1660 is darktable...

I also installed org.freedesktop.Platform.ClInfo (as flatpak), but this
did not change anything.

Any chance to get openCL running with the flatpak version?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: [darktable-user] darktable 4.4.2 released

[Michael Staats]

On 22/07/2023 19:26, Pascal Obry wrote:

Support for the following cameras is suspended because no samples
are available on raw.pixls.us:


[ ... ]


- Samsung GX10
- Samsung GX20


Hi
(sorry for my lengthy intro, see the main question below, which might
also be interesting for other cameras).

I don't own any of those two Samsungs, but their hardware is identical
to Pentax K10D/Pentax K20D respectively.
Wikipedia says, their Firmware is slighly different, though. The GX-10
can only save raw as DNG.

Now I would think that DNG is not a problem (my Pentaxes are set to DNG
export only, and work fine with Darktable). Ok, dng is not dng, and I
read that "Compression Mode" of "Samsung Expert RAW DNGs" is also
missing. I have no idea if this is an issue, i.e. if the GXes use this.

But I'd say there is some hope of supporting these cameras. However, if
someone wants to have it, the first step would probably be: Upload some
samples to raw.pixls.us

Ok, this finally leads to my question: What exactly does it mean if
support for any camera is "suspended"? Leaving the raw format aside
(which should not hopefully be an issue for DNG), what else is camera
specific?

I'd say:

1 Base curve
2 Noise profiles
3 Lens correction
4 Direct import from attached camera/Tethering

None of them are mandatory, and for sure you can find settings that will
work for the Samsungs.

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable 4.4.2 released

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 19:26:35 +0200
Pascal Obry  wrote:

>  Important note: to make sure that darktable can keep on
> supporting the raw file format for your camera, *please* read [this
> post](https://discuss.pixls.us/t/raw-samples-wanted/5420?u=lebedevri)
> on how/what raw samples you can contribute to ensure that we have the
> *full* raw sample set for your camera under CC0 license!
> 

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[darktable-user] I love how dt doesn't over saturate things anymore

[Michael]

yeah. I don't know if it was just me but it used to be that after I import
an image the pixels seemed to get bigger and things blurred out.

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Re: [darktable-user] dt 4.4 on Debian 11.7, apt update issue

[Michael Staats]

On 01/07/2023 11:56, l0f...@tuta.io wrote:

And ok, understood, for
a newer dt version I need to upgrade my Debian, no problem.


 From my understanding, there is no guarantee right now (or not without some 
difficulties or hack depending on your configuration). So be aware of that


Yep, thanks again for the warning. Someone wrote that the "Testing"
version of 4.4.0 does work for Debian 12. I'd have no issue with a bit
of hacking to get that installed. Then again, the newest dt is at 4.4.1
already, and I also have no issue until there's a working package for
Debian 12 without hacking. dt 4.2.1 is excellent already.

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Re: [darktable-user] dt 4.4 on Debian 11.7, apt update issue

[Michael Staats]

On 30/06/2023 21:07, l0f...@tuta.io wrote:

I experienced the same behavior yesterday on my Debian 11.7.

I simply changed the targeted OBS URL inside my dedicated opensuse-darktable.list apt source file 
to https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/graphics:/darktable:/stable/Debian_11/ and it has 
been working since then (notice the new colon ":" after "darktable" so that's 
not the same path).

Of course, it doesn't change the fact that you won't get darktable 4.4.0, only 
that you will not get errors for your current darktable version. See Guillermo 
answer for that other aspect/issue.

l0f4r0


Thanks a lot! This fixed my update issue. Great. And ok, understood, for
a newer dt version I need to upgrade my Debian, no problem.

Thanks to all who replied.

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[darktable-user] dt 4.4 on Debian 11.7, apt update issue

[Michael Staats]

Hi all
First, "apt update" did not show any updates, which is fine, I'm not
expecting new versions for all systems to be available just after
release, I fully understand that dt itself and the packages are created
by volunteers -- Thanks again for this!

But since yesterday, "apt update" finds something, but runs into an
error. Do I need to change anything? Or just wait?

Details:

$ cat /etc/debian_version
11.7

$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/graphics\:darktable.list
deb
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/graphics:/darktable/Debian_11/ /

Worked for me so far, but now:

$ apt update
[ ... ]
E: The repository
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/graphics:/darktable/Debian_11
 Release' no longer has a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
configuration details.

Yes, I read the hints and if required, I'll go to see apt-secure(8), but
I wonder if it's just a small bug and the "Release file" is just missing.

Any help appreciated.

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[darktable-user] Re: obs has moved or something

[Michael]

for ubuntu 22.04

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 8:27 AM Michael  wrote:

> I went here <https://www.darktable.org/install/> and then to the OBS page
> to make sure I had the correct source. But instead of getting the options
> of operating systems I got this <https://build.opensuse.org/>. If anyone
> has the correct source could I have it? And if it isn't too much trouble
> could I have the instructions to put the source in as well?
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[darktable-user] obs has moved or something

[Michael]

I went here  and then to the OBS page
to make sure I had the correct source. But instead of getting the options
of operating systems I got this . If anyone
has the correct source could I have it? And if it isn't too much trouble
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Re: [darktable-user] Re[2]: libicui18n.so.72 requirement

[Michael Staats]

On 07/06/2023 01:02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Manuel Presnitz  [06-06-23 14:14]:

Hello,


all of my systems have libicui18n.so.73 and can run dt, except this one.
all are very similarly configured.  all of my different box compiles are
identical.



Hmm, ok, cannot help with the root cause, no idea what's exactly
different on your machines.

But a quick and dirty hack is of course:

cd /lib64 && ln -s libicui18n.so.73 libicui18n.so.72

I'd not do that if I had to guarantee any SLA or so, but I'd say the
risk is very low. a) The library is most certainly not used for any core
functionality of dt, b) usually, a change between a "73" and "72"
version does not introduce any incompatibility. The 73 might have some
improvements, fixes, new functionality, but it should not break any 72
functionality -- only guessing, of course.

If this was my machine, and I'd just need to get it working, I'd do that.

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Re: [darktable-user] libicui18n.so.72 requirement

[Michael Staats]

On 06/06/2023 02:27, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

I have several openSUSE Tumbleweed boxes where I compile darktable and can
successfully run except one which notes it is unable to access shared
library libicui18n.so.72

all of my systems have libicui18n.so.73 and can run dt, except this one.
all are very similarly configured.  all of my different box compiles are
identical.

what am I missing?


Hi Patrick
Sorry for recommending something obvious, I know that you probably know
that already, but sometimes, one is missing the obvious...

- ldd $(which darktable)
- check permissions on your libicui18n.so.72
- check if links from libicui18n.so are pointing to libicui18n.so.72 (on
my debian, they are in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
- maybe just run ldconfig
- check if you have set LD_LIBRARY_PATH

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Re: [darktable-user] Canon 6D Mark II on 4.2.1 Linux

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On Wed, 3 May 2023 22:49:37 +0200
Ralf Becker  wrote:

> 
> What can I do to solve this problem?
> Many Thanks
> 
Your lensfun data is probably old so run the following to update them:
lensfun-update-data

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Re: [darktable-user] dt 4.21 - missing support?

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On Thu, 4 May 2023 07:43:52 +0200
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> Do I make a mistake?
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Re: [darktable-user] Geotagging time offset

[Michael Fritze]

Enter was the correct key, thank you!
> Hi!
> 
> After changing the time, try to press Enter or Tab.
> 
> 01.05.2023 21:52, Michael Fritze пишет:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I try to apply a time offset. But this tiny "lock" button is always
> > locked, I can't unlock it. DT 4.2.1. on Gentoo Linux. I know it did work
> > before. I even started with an empty config dir, did not work.
> > 
> > --> How do I unlock this?
> > 
> > BR, Micha.
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Hi,

I try to apply a time offset. But this tiny "lock" button is always locked, I
can't unlock it. DT 4.2.1. on Gentoo Linux. I know it did work before. I even
started with an empty config dir, did not work.

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?

[Michael Staats]

On 24/04/2023 14:57, Terry Pinfold wrote:

The beauty of dicuss pixels is it bottom posts. Therefore I cause no
offence there. My comments are not welcome here so I wish you all good
luck supporting DT through this forum. I just explained why I moved on.
Not sure why my age and wisdom had to be attacked here,but it was.


Hi Terry
I do not think it was "attacked". Age was mentioned since it seems you
do not know the history, and wisdom was challenged, since you seem to
assume that all you know (your way of quoting) is the "right" way,
ignoring the history, and assuming that Microsoft has any authority to
define this.

Having that said, I find it sad that such formal arguments are the
reason for posting to this list or not. With a little bit of extra
effort to accept both worlds, it should be possible to co-exist. The
contents should matter. And it cannot be denied that the "business
world" is adhering to their god (Microsoft). Bad, and we should try
better in a world which is not under their influnce, but we should know
that the other world exists, and tolerate.

Even Internet RFCs follow the robustness principle: "be conservative in
what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others".

(And, by the way, Patrick's excessive full quotes on top with one
sentence on the bottom are also not helpful, and not the idea of
"proper" quoting).

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?

[Michael Staats]

On 24/04/2023 03:06, Terry Pinfold wrote:

"that you follow m$ *only* shows your age, not your
wisdom."

Maybe this passive aggressiveness on your part also chased me away.



Well, this is a question of perception. I, German, working for an Indian
company, am learning that every day, I'm probably perceived as (one of)
the most rude guy in the account. But I try to improve (*).

But beside perception, there's something called "facts". And, sorry to
say, Patrick is right, you are not.

TOFU quoting was invented by Microsoft, way too late, when other
standards were already implemented and followed. The fact that most
Outlook users don't know better (again, I know what I'm talking about),
does not change that.
Actually, with a little bit of experience in IT, all alarms should fire
if you follow some rule just because MS has established it.

By the way: For sure, Microsoft will have a standard product to replace
darktable. Better go for that.

(* Yes, I failed again, I know...)

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?

[Michael]

Agreed. The top/bottom posting wars encouraged me to not respond to posts and 
just be a lurker.

On April 23, 2023 5:16:24 PM PDT, Terry Pinfold  wrote:
>Yes, incorrectly posting to the top or the bottom of the list is a pretty
>unforgivable sin. I just post the way Microsoft has designed it and that is
>how everyone posts at my University. But for some reason you have set a
>standard that is different from mainstream. So you have chased me away. You
>achieved what you wanted. I must have been a huge pain in your butt.
>
>On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 09:24, Patrick Shanahan  wrote:
>
>> * Terry Pinfold  [04-23-23 18:23]:
>> > Totally agree with you Patrick. My email server posted incorrectly for
>> this
>> > list and it caused great offence to people here so I moved on to a forum
>> > where I was more welcomed.
>> > Have a nice day and keep up the good work supporting DT users.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 08:16, Patrick Shanahan 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > * Terry Pinfold  [04-23-23 17:49]:
>> > > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 21:03, Peter McD  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Am 23.04.23 um 12:29 schrieb Michael Below:
>> > > > > > Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD:
>> > > > > >> So where are the postings of other users?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Many people moved to the pixls.us forum:
>> > > > > > https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Cheers
>> > > > > > Michael
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > >
>> 
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>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks
>> > > > > Peter
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > >
>> 
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>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > I stopped posting to this list because people complained about my
>> posts
>> > > > being top posting or bottom posting or something else which I found
>> very
>> > > > petty. They also complained if I forgot to remove my email
>> signature. So
>> > > if
>> > > > I was going to have problems meeting their "net etiquette" I would
>> move
>> > > > onto another forum which is pixels.us. I have found the pixls.us
>> forum
>> > > much
>> > > > more friendly and tolerant.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > yes, much easier to change horses than to attempt to follow accepted
>> > > standards.
>> > >
>> > > --
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>> @ptilopteri
>> > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member
>> facebook/ptilopteri
>> > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo   paka @ IRCnet
>> oftc
>> > >
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Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?

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Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD:
> So where are the postings of other users?

Many people moved to the pixls.us forum:
https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19

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[darktable-user] Error Compiling DT

[michael]

I'm getting errors compiling DT on Fedora 37 and I'd appreciate it if
someone could help me debug the problem.

As described on the git page I've installed these dependancies:

   sudo dnf builddep darktable
   
   sudo dnf install gcc-c++ cmake make perl intltool libxslt zlib-devel
   gtk3-devel libxml2-devel sqlite-devel librsvg2-devel libcurl-devel
   libjpeg-turbo-devel libtiff-devel lcms2-devel json-glib-devel exiv2-
   devel pugixml-devel
   
   sudo dnf install lensfun-devel libgphoto2-devel OpenEXR-devel
   libwebp-devel openjpeg2-devel libsecret-devel GraphicsMagick-devel
   iso-codes-devel colord-devel colord-gtk-devel cups-devel osm-gps-
   map-devel libsoup-devel clang llvm-devel lua-devel desktop-file-
   utils
   
   sudo dnf install libavif-devel

I tried to compile with:
   sh build.sh --build-type Release --install --sudo --clean-all

And I get this output:

darktable build script

Building directory:  /home/michael/darktable/build
Installation prefix: /opt/darktable
Build type:  RelWithDebInfo
Build generator: Unix Makefiles
Build tasks: 8

-- The CXX compiler identification is unknown
-- The C compiler identification is GNU 12.2.1
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info - failed
-- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++
-- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ - works
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info - done
-- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc - skipped
-- Detecting C compile features
-- Detecting C compile features - done
-- Found OpenMP_C: -fopenmp (found suitable version "4.5", minimum
required is "4.5") 
CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake/Modules/FindOpenMP.cmake:419
(try_compile):
  Cannot copy output executable

''

  to destination specified by COPY_FILE:

   
'/home/michael/darktable/build/CMakeFiles/FindOpenMP/ompver_CXX.bin'

  because:

No such file or directory (input)

  Recorded try_compile output location doesn't exist:

/home/michael/darktable/build/CMakeFiles/CMakeScratch/TryCompile-
PZR27E/cmTC_8ea2a

Call Stack (most recent call first):
  /usr/share/cmake/Modules/FindOpenMP.cmake:557 (_OPENMP_GET_SPEC_DATE)
  CMakeLists.txt:94 (find_package)


-- Found OpenMP_CXX: -openmp (Required is at least version "4.5") 
CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake/Modules/FindOpenMP.cmake:606 (if):
  if given arguments:

"CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER_ID" "STREQUAL" "Fujitsu" "OR" "STREQUAL"
"IntelLLVM"

  Unknown arguments specified
Call Stack (most recent call first):
  CMakeLists.txt:94 (find_package)


-- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable 4.2.1 released

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On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 21:34:52 +
tony Hamilton  wrote:

> A significant part of the compile process is the handling of
> compilation errors; here the documentation is frequently inadequate,
> depending on a level of detailed knowledge and understanding which is
> beyond the average Linux application user. They are typified by
> impossible to parse scenarios which have an explanation of the nature
> of: "Oh, didn't we tell you about dependencies abc, hij, opq (which
> is incompatible with def, as long as you have, or, possibly, have
> not, included rst) and xyz (but not in version 2.99)? Sorry about
> that."
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Re: [darktable-user] A weird occurrence

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On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 12:47:12 -0500
Willy Williams  wrote:

> Thanks, Jean-Luc.  I have installed darktable using a flatpak, so
> everything is in a different place.  I'll keep digging into this.
> 
Never use flatpak since flatpak breaks the integration to Gimp and
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Re: [darktable-user] Tags in xmp files

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On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 07:55:36 +1100
Bruce Williams  wrote:

> But as far as my desktop version of dt is concerned, there are no
> tags, even though I can open up an xmp file in a text editor and see
> the tags. Is there a way to get dt to read the tags from the xmp
> files and add those tags to whatever database file they should live
> in? I would prefer NOT to have to enter all the tags again if I can
> avoid it! Thanks in advance!
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AFAIK: Tags are stored in library.db or data.db and not in the XMP
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Re: [darktable-user] Darktable-exported EXIF ignored by flickr for Samsung NX (solved)

[Michael Staats]

Hi all

On 08/07/2022 03:05, Šarūnas wrote:

On 07/07/2022 03.36, Michael Staats wrote:

In short: Flickr is ignoring the exif data for Samsung-NX pictures,
while it works fine for Pentax K-*.


Turned out only NX3000 files were affected. NX500 works fine.
[ ... ]



I'm not sure if images already imported to Flickr are representative of
originals in terms of metadata.

One will get better info by comparing darktable-exported images directly
with exiftool or exiv2.



Yes, more investigation including exiv2 and exiftool helped.

Issue:
- Out of NX3000 camera .JPG: No prob.
- Darktable developed jpg.: flickr ignored exif, exiftool was missing
exif attributes, although exiv2 did work.
- Out of NX3000 camera raw (*.SRW): exiftool was missing exif
attributes, although exiv2 did work (so it was *not* a darktable issue)

Now flickr seems to use exiftool or similar. I found the root cause by
taking exiv2 warnings serious (yeah, I know, crazy...).

$ exiv2 yyy.SRW > /dev/null
Warning: Directory Photo, entry 0x has unknown Exif (TIFF) type 0;
setting type size 1.
Warning: Directory Image, entry 0x has unknown Exif (TIFF) type 0;
setting type size 1.

Ok, after printing the unknowns tags with "exiv2 -u", and reading the
manual (crazy days...), I found that

$ exiv2 -M'del Exif.Photo.0x' -M 'del Exif.Image.0x' yyy.SRW

fixed the issue. Imported the yyy.SRW into darktable, developed, checked
with exiftool, uploaded to flickr, all fine.

So Samsung is creating faulty exif data in their NX3000 raw files. Took
some time, but was fun ;-)

Will now write a quick script to apply the fix only to NX3000 raw files
that have not been repaired yet (to avoid modifying too many files, or
too often).

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Re: [darktable-user] dt 4.2 jpeg xl export?

[Michael Staats]

On 27/12/2022 15:24, Michael Rasmussen wrote:



What does the following command show?
$ darktable --version

[ ... ]

Hi Michael
Thanks a lot, this clarifies it 100 %. My one says

libjxl support disabled

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Re: [darktable-user] dt 4.2 jpeg xl export?

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On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 08:49:52 +0100
Michael Staats  wrote:

> Not that I really need it, but I wanted to try the new jpeg-xl
> support. I cannot find it in the format list of the export (I have
> JPEG (8-bit), JPEG 2000 (12-bit), OpenEXR, etc...). Do I need another
> library? Or what else could I do?
> 
What does the following command show?
$ darktable --version
this is darktable 4.2.0
copyright (c) 2009-2022 johannes hanika
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/new/choose

compile options:
  bit depth is 64 bit
  normal build
  SSE2 optimized codepath enabled
  OpenMP support enabled
  OpenCL support enabled
  Lua support enabled, API version 9.0.0
  Colord support enabled
  gPhoto2 support enabled
  GraphicsMagick support enabled
  ImageMagick support disabled
  libavif support enabled
  libheif support enabled
  libjxl support enabled
  OpenJPEG support enabled
  OpenEXR support enabled
  WebP support enabled

If you does not see this: libjxl support enabled but libjxl support
disabled instead then your version of DT is built without support for
jxl. Since jxl is an optional feature this is not unlikely.

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[darktable-user] dt 4.2 jpeg xl export?

[Michael Staats]

Hi
I'm using dt 4.2 on a freshly built Debian 11 (Bullseye) (-- thanks to
Santa for another SSD to try it in parallel to my stable xubuntu 20.04 ;-)
I installed from
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/graphics:/darktable/Debian_11/

Not that I really need it, but I wanted to try the new jpeg-xl support.
I cannot find it in the format list of the export (I have JPEG (8-bit),
JPEG 2000 (12-bit), OpenEXR, etc...). Do I need another library? Or what
else could I do?

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable 4.2.0 released

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On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 20:21:18 +0100
Jan Ingwer Baer  wrote:

> Is there any documentation which camera models are supported?
On the homepage ?
https://www.darktable.org/resources/camera-support/

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Re: [darktable-user] Drawing pad for Macbook M1 and DT

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On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 16:35:26 +0100
Hieke van Hoogdalem  wrote:

> 
> I have a question concerning drawing pads. My mouse isn’t subtle
> enough for drawing masks and I’m researching pads with digital pens
> as an alternative. I’m using a Macbook (M1) and I’m looking for
> something affordable. It will be my first pad, so it can be a simple
> thing that does the job, no whistles needed.
> 
>  
> 
> When I look into pads that work with the M1-configuration, will
> Darktable than work with it as well? Or should I keep other things in
> mind and if so, what?
> 
I have this one:
https://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/pen-tablets/wacom-intuos (with
Bluetooth). Works great on Linux and DT. Should work on Macbooks as
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Re: [darktable-user] release 4.2 is coming...

[Michael Rasmussen]

On Wed, 14 Dec 2022 20:58:18 +0100
Pascal Obry  wrote:

> 
> A darktable release is a huge amount of work and the darktable team is
> wonderful. I'm really happy to be part of it, let's the aventure
> continue.
> 
> 
I will also give my kudos to all involved in the project and one
suggestion: We should make more tutorials and emphasize the excellent
coupling between DT and GIMP a lot more than is presently done. This
feature alone is the one I use to convince die-hard Lightroom/Photoshop
users that DT and GIMP is a drop-in replacement for Lightroom/Photoshop.

Merry Christmas to all.


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Re: [darktable-user] Off site BU

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On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 12:10:57 -0500
Marc Sitkin  wrote:

> I've been using Backblaze for an offsite BU for a few years now. Cost
> for around 1.5T is $7.50/month.
> 
> Backups are automatic, and yes, I've checked restoring files, no
> problem.
> 

And you can use restic to do client side encryption before upload.

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Re: [darktable-user] Time for a new system

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The should is just someone else's computer. Do you really trust someone else to 
secure and protect your data?

Backuo to an external disc or two. They are inexpensive.

On December 5, 2022 2:56:58 PM PST, David Vincent-Jones  
wrote:
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>On 12/4/22 16:29, Chris Albertson wrote:
>> Then you backup the NAS to the cloud
>
>Yes, the cloud .. just another cost that we are being talked into!
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Re: [darktable-user] Time for a new system

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On Mon, 5 Dec 2022 08:06:05 +1100
Andrew Greig  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I am hoping for a bit of advice to guide my choices for a new system.
> To this point I have never used OpenCL and reading some comments by
> others a LeadtekT600 graphics card is a good choice. do others agree?
> 
You can get a Nvidia GTX 1660 for the same price which is 3-4 times
faster and have more than the double amount of cuda cores.
https://gadgetversus.com/graphics-card/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-vs-pny-nvidia-t600/


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Re: [darktable-user] Updating the Database

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On 21/10/2022 19:28, Jack Bowling wrote:
[ ... ]


box is way too sensitive, such that if you cleaned up spots too fast, it
would kill darktable unmercifully. I have a Ryzen 3900X (12 cores, 24

Hi
Ok, let's make a difference between one process (darktable) that is
crashing, or the full "system" (computer).
Darktable "crashes" do happen sometimes, to me as well. Not very often,
and the last time it happened, it was my own fault, not enough memory
and no swap space configured, so the kernel killed my process...

If darktable "crashes", hopefully we'll lose only data for the picture
that we are working on at the moment of the crash. The xmp files for the
other pictures hold all the information you need, and the db as well.
This "crash" can be any ungraceful termination, a "kill -9" would
suffice, if you want. That's "fine" for me. Using software is a risk.
Always.

Real problems (tm) occur if you machine crashes completely, for whatever
reason. That should not happen. Even Windows does not crash every day
any more (esp. when properly, i.e. not at all, used ;-)

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Re: [darktable-user] Updating the Database

[Michael Staats]

On 21/10/2022 10:27, Paul Marfell wrote:

I don't want my system slowed down just because there might sometime be
a crash but it would seem sensible to set a flag in the dB when dt
starts and unset it when it shuts down normally. If the flag is set when
dt starts then it can run some checks or just warn the user.

Paul


This "slowdown" would be absolutely neglegible, compared to the risk of
having never ending DB transactions (until you termintate dt gracefully).
But we already learned that this is not the case. dt commits the db
transactions if you move to the next picture. This is absolutely
resonable. Everything else would be asking for trouble.
Even an fsync() might make sense, after the commit.

This limits the loss of information to one picture max, be it in the DB
or in the xmp. Unless your "crash" breaks your file system, then you are
lost. So just avoid crashes.

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Re: [darktable-user] Updating the Database

[Michael Staats]

On 19/10/2022 18:28, Patrick Shanahan wrote:


everything is about timing.  the database is updated when you close dt,
iiuc.


Hi,
is this really correct? I hope not. To be honest, I did not check the
code, but I would recommend to update the DB (and commit) much more
frequently, like

- if you move to the next picture
- before exporting
- if you receive some (catchable) SIG* that leads to termination
- maybe even every N minutes (ok, using timers might be a bit too much
effort unless they are already being used), so maybe better
- every N "edits" (whatever an "edit" is, sth like activating a new module)

This would help and limit loss of DB information to one picture. But sure


 if one experiences a system crash, all bets on anything are off.


Correct. So a real system crash should be investigated and the root
cause be removed.


but the edits are not lost


That depends. In the worst case, dt cannot even write the complete xmp.
This would affect only one picture, probably Unless your file
system gets corrupted by the crash. Then both xmp and DB might be lost...

So


and anyone experiencing frequent system crashes


you should find out the root cause and remove it.

But you said that already ;-)


ps: anyone now days experiencing "frequent" system crashes should identify
the cause and correct it rather than complain about loosing data, which
*should* be expected.


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Re: [darktable-user] Updating the Database

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On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:14:00 -0700
David Vincent-Jones  wrote:

> Is there a way to update the database other than shutting dt down?
> 
> I am still having some system failures and find it annoying that
> recently updated tags etc are lost when this happens.
> 
Since the darktable database is stored in a sqlite3 database you can
manually make a backup if you have sqlite3 installed. Darktable uses
two databases: data.db and library.db.

A quick way is the following (darktable needs not be shutdown when you
do it)

sqlite3 library.db ".backup 'library_backup.db'"
sqlite3 data.db ".backup 'data_backup.db'"

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Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

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On 08/08/2022 12:06, Terry Pinfold wrote:

Well I learnt something new today,  the camera histogram is based on the
jpeg. What I tell my students is to avoid clipping, if possible, as the
detail is lost. Also most noise is in the shadows so ettr is preferable
to under exposure to reduce noise, but clipping is the cardinal sin.



That might depend on the camera... I would think that my Pentax K-5 and
K-3 II show the "raw" histogram, and the overexposure-indicator
(flashing red or yellow in the preview, if enabled) refers to raw
overexposure.

To be honest, I'm not 100 % sure now, I can make some tests, if I find
the time. But I've always assumed this, and it worked fine for me with
darktable and ETTR (or almost R, leaving some space on the right side,
before risking overexposure).

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Re: [darktable-user] start raw in gimp

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oops I only meant to resend the first paragraph. sorry about that


On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 2:09 PM Remco Viëtor 
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Re: [darktable-user] start raw in gimp

[Michael]

there was a slight typo:

yes sir the windows fix (a reinstall) fixed it (I run linux). in
reality gimp wasn't installed correctly. I had the flatpak version
installed. I reinstalled the apt version and everything was good after. the
flatpak version was installed from the ISO.
as for when told that my hdr method with gimp didn't work this is how you
do it:
pull the three exposures into gimp
open into layers (in this order) the dark exposure, medium, light
create grayscale layer mask On the dark layer then increase both the
brightness and contrast. Save as a tiff then open in darktable and play
with whitebalance and play with brightness (you might have to decrease it).

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On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:11 PM Michael  wrote:

> yes sir the windows fix fixed it. in reality gimp wasn't installed
> correctly. I had the flatpak version installed. I reinstalled the apt
> version and everything was good after. the flatpak version was installed
> from the ISO.
> as for when told that my hdr method with gimp didn't work this is how you
> do it:
> pull the three exposures into gimp
> open into layers (in this order) the dark exposure, medium, light
> create grayscale layer mask On the layer mask increase both the brightness
> and contrast. Save as a tiff then open in darktable and play with
> whitebalance  and play with brightness (you might have to decrease it).
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 2:37 AM Terry Pinfold  wrote:
>
>> It seems a fresh install of GIMP fixed the problem for Mike. Some of his
>> messages only came to me so you may have missed that it was resolved. Also
>> ARW files are sony and it was my error to believe they were Fuji.
>> Sledgehammers are some times good with Windows computers. Some linux or Mac
>> users might recommend sledge hammers for all Windows computers 
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 at 16:28, Bernhard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry Pinfold schrieb am 19.07.22 um 07:46:
>>> > Since Mike is trying to open a fuji ARW camera file I am not sure why
>>> GIMP is trying to use a Nikon plugin for the task. I am on windows and
>>> using the latest version of GIMP and DT 4.1 and I can open the ARW files
>>> fine via GIMP. Maybe a fresh install of GIMP may help. That might be a
>>> sledgehammer approach, but the program is so easy to download and install
>>> that it would not take much effort.
>>> since Mike is *not* specific of what error occurs I tried to verify we
>>> speak of the same thing - hence the screenshot.
>>> So I have to take what I have - Nikon, Panasonic, Olympus ...
>>>
>>> Reinstall ... ok, Windows approach ... I am out here ...
>>>
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>>>
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[Michael]

yes sir the windows fix fixed it. in reality gimp wasn't installed
correctly. I had the flatpak version installed. I reinstalled the apt
version and everything was good after. the flatpak version was installed
from the ISO.
as for when told that my hdr method with gimp didn't work this is how you
do it:
pull the three exposures into gimp
open into layers (in this order) the dark exposure, medium, light
create grayscale layer mask On the layer mask increase both the brightness
and contrast. Save as a tiff then open in darktable and play with
whitebalance  and play with brightness (you might have to decrease it).

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 2:37 AM Terry Pinfold  wrote:

> It seems a fresh install of GIMP fixed the problem for Mike. Some of his
> messages only came to me so you may have missed that it was resolved. Also
> ARW files are sony and it was my error to believe they were Fuji.
> Sledgehammers are some times good with Windows computers. Some linux or Mac
> users might recommend sledge hammers for all Windows computers 
>
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 at 16:28, Bernhard 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Terry Pinfold schrieb am 19.07.22 um 07:46:
>> > Since Mike is trying to open a fuji ARW camera file I am not sure why
>> GIMP is trying to use a Nikon plugin for the task. I am on windows and
>> using the latest version of GIMP and DT 4.1 and I can open the ARW files
>> fine via GIMP. Maybe a fresh install of GIMP may help. That might be a
>> sledgehammer approach, but the program is so easy to download and install
>> that it would not take much effort.
>> since Mike is *not* specific of what error occurs I tried to verify we
>> speak of the same thing - hence the screenshot.
>> So I have to take what I have - Nikon, Panasonic, Olympus ...
>>
>> Reinstall ... ok, Windows approach ... I am out here ...
>>
>> --
>>
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>> Bernhard
>>
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Aw: Re: [darktable-user] Darktable on xubunbu 22.04 / wayland / nvidia: Recommended or not?

[Michael Staats]

Hi

Thanks for this answer. In the meantime, I researched a bit, and found one information where it says: NVidia has asked Ubuntu to *not* use Wayland in 22.04 for NVidia cards. So probably, 22.04 + NVidia is still using X11.

You can find out by running

 


echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE


 

in a terminal. See also https://askubuntu.com/questions/904940/how-can-i-tell-if-i-am-running-wayland

 

So maybe your issues are not Wayland-related.

 

Anyway, I have decided to stay with 20.04 for some time. I mean, I'm not using a long term support version to change it every other day ;-) Ok, seriously, I was interested in Wayland, if it was stable and working fine, I wanted to give it a try (although I know X since X10, it would be a hard time to say good-bye).

But Wayland seems not to be usable today, so maybe I'll wait for 24.04.

 

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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Juli 2022 um 15:47 Uhr
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Am 13.07.22 um 14:04 schrieb Šarūnas:
> ...
> I wish to be wrong, but color management in Wayland may still have a
> long way to go [1].
>
> ...
>
> 1. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/issues/467
>
Now I get an idea, what the reason for my problems may be.

Because Ubuntu 20.04 on my mashine had some problems on startup, last
week I decided to do the LTS-upgrade earlier then 22.04.1 is released on
4th August.
I got DT 4.0 from PPA "unbuntuhandbook".
After upgrade to some new nvidia-drivers, the openCL-Support in DT was
fixed.

But one of my displays (EIZO) seemed to be out of calibration, it looks
a bit too green after the upgrade.

I found, that DisplayCAL (3.8.x) is not longer in the sources in 22.04
because of the dependencies to python 2, with is not longer supported.
But there is a new projekt "DisplayCAL-PY3" porting the code to python
3. It can be installed with "pip install DisplayCAL" which gives you a
version 3.9.6, still in progress but works.

The calibration of my new ASUS-display was done in half an hour. But the
calibration of my older EIZO (has run more then 8000 hours), takes 2
days with many attempts. Each run with other results, some lookes green,
some looked magenta, some had bad messages.
Sometimes even the hardware-defined RGB-start-point drifted from one
attempt to the next.

Each time the result was different, the colors seemed to be "unstable".
I worried, the last days of my diplay has come.

At least (after a dozen tries) I got a icc-profile that seems to work.

May this problems result from an unstable implementation of
colormanagement in wayland in Ubuntu 22.04?
Or should I begin to save some money for a new display?
Why does Ubuntu do an upgrade to a system without a stable colormanagement?

Hardware: NVidia GeForce GTX 1060 6GB, ASUS VA24E, EIZO FORIS FS2333,
XRite colormunki Smile.

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Re: [darktable-user] start raw in gimp

[Michael]

How would I get the light exposure to show through?

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:33 AM Michael  wrote:

> Actually, what I wanted came out with the JPG images. I'll show you:
> The first image I was trying to achieve. Images 2, 3, and 4 are the
> exposures. The fifth image is hdr created with gimp and darktable (I think
> that is the one)
> I did this by loading The three images into three different layers with
> dark on top and the light layer on the bottom and the middle exposure is
> u in the middle lol)then I create a grayscale layer mask on the dark
> image then I increase Brightnesss and contrast. Then I save the result and
> open it in darktable where I play with white balance. Then I activate
> shadows and highlights. And finally I play with the brightness
> Unfortunately I don't know how to get the wood texture to show like the
> obeo image (the one I'm trying to achieve..
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:00 AM Michael  wrote:
>
>> Stupid typo (I was in the parking lot at work when I wrote that. In any
>> case I try opening a raw in gimp and an error pops up:
>>
>> Opening '/home/michael/Desktop/Pictures/PIC05818.ARW' failed:
>>
>> There is no RAW loader installed to open 'Raw Sony' files.
>>
>> GIMP currently supports these RAW loaders:
>> - darktable (http://www.darktable.org/), at least 1.7
>> - RawTherapee (http://rawtherapee.com/), at least 5.2
>>
>> Please install one of them in order to load RAW files.
>>
>> it worked in 3.8. Apparently something is wrong . I was told there is at
>> least.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 11:52 PM Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings from Florida! Well that is actually how I was thinking of
>>> doing it. Gimp won’t open the raw in stop and no one knows how to
>>> get it to work.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 7:12 PM Terry Pinfold 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>  I presume you are the Mike I have communicated with before from
>>>> Florida?
>>>>
>>>> If I want to work an image in GIMP and how I was planning on doing it.
>>>> D Darktable I use the open feature in GIMP and being a RAW file it opens
>>>> the image in DT. I do the necessary edits in DT and then just shutdown DT
>>>> and the image is moved automatically across to GIMP as a 32 bit floating
>>>> point file. I then edit the image in GIMP and export as normal. The other
>>>> way I use the two programs together is to edit in DT first, export as a 16
>>>> bit tiff and then open the 16 bit tiff in GIMP.  I appreciate that
>>>> these may not be the solutions you are looking for but it works well for my
>>>> needs.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 at 04:09, Michael  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can't start a raw file in Gimp via darktable and was wondering if
>>>>> any one  has solved/has this problem?
>>>>>
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Re: [darktable-user] start raw in gimp

[Michael]

sorry that didn't work. the arw files are the exposures (I used the jpg
versions of the files) the obeo image is the image i WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
the mod was my final image.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:46 AM Michael  wrote:

>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nnXooHIoVKbvx48TJUxS7yYqOKF3fX-Y?usp=sharing
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:40 AM Michael  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:39 AM Michael  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: Michael 
>>> Date: Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:33 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [darktable-user] start raw in gimp
>>> To: darktable forum 
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, what I wanted came out with the JPG images. I'll show you:
>>> The first image I was trying to achieve. Images 2, 3, and 4 are the
>>> exposures. The fifth image is hdr created with gimp and darktable (I think
>>> that is the one)
>>> I did this by loading The three images into three different layers with
>>> dark on top and the light layer on the bottom and the middle exposure is
>>> u in the middle lol)then I create a grayscale layer mask on the dark
>>> image then I increase Brightnesss and contrast. Then I save the result and
>>> open it in darktable where I play with white balance. Then I activate
>>> shadows and highlights. And finally I play with the brightness
>>> Unfortunately I don't know how to get the wood texture to show like the
>>> obeo image (the one I'm trying to achieve..
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>>
>>
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Re: [darktable-user] start raw in gimp

[Michael]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nnXooHIoVKbvx48TJUxS7yYqOKF3fX-Y?usp=sharing

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:40 AM Michael  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:39 AM Michael  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Michael 
>> Date: Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: [darktable-user] start raw in gimp
>> To: darktable forum 
>>
>>
>> Actually, what I wanted came out with the JPG images. I'll show you:
>> The first image I was trying to achieve. Images 2, 3, and 4 are the
>> exposures. The fifth image is hdr created with gimp and darktable (I think
>> that is the one)
>> I did this by loading The three images into three different layers with
>> dark on top and the light layer on the bottom and the middle exposure is
>> u in the middle lol)then I create a grayscale layer mask on the dark
>> image then I increase Brightnesss and contrast. Then I save the result and
>> open it in darktable where I play with white balance. Then I activate
>> shadows and highlights. And finally I play with the brightness
>> Unfortunately I don't know how to get the wood texture to show like the
>> obeo image (the one I'm trying to achieve..
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[Michael]

I can't start a raw file in Gimp via darktable and was wondering if any
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[darktable-user] Darktable on xubunbu 22.04 / wayland / nvidia: Recommended or not?

[Michael Staats]

Hi
I'm currently on xubuntu 20.04, darktable 4.0. Works nicely, opencl with
my NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 works as well.

I'm thinking about upgrading to xubuntu 22.04, which seems to have
wayland as default display server.

Anyone using this already? Any known issues? Should I wait with the
upgrade, or should I give it a try?

Thanks in advance, best regards,
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Re: [darktable-user] Fwd: Just installed 4.0

[Michael]

Is=Linux

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 8:17 PM Terry Pinfold  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>   my experience updating was seamless. Check that the collections
> filters option is not hiding the images. You may also need to let people
> know your OS to be able to help more.
>
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 at 07:13, Michael  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I selected to update the dAtabase but none of my pictures from 3.8 are
>> visible in the lighttable view. What's going on?
>>
>>
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[darktable-user] Fwd: Just installed 4.0

[Michael]

I selected to update the dAtabase but none of my pictures from 3.8 are
visible in the lighttable view. What's going on?


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[darktable-user] Darktable-exported EXIF ignored by flickr for Samsung NX

[Michael Staats]

Dear darktable users
This is mostly flickr question, I know. Apologies for that, but it's
also darktable related, since the issue occurs with darktable-exported jpgs.

In short: Flickr is ignoring the exif data for Samsung-NX pictures,
while it works fine for Pentax K-*.

Working example Pentax K-3 II: https://flic.kr/p/2niiAah
Non-working Samsung NX3000: https://flic.kr/p/2nvyzYU

Both pictures have been exported with exactly the same settings in the
export module. Actually, if I view the jpg in gthumb, also the NX
picture *does* have all exif -- that's why it's probably not a darktable
issue, but a flickr issue. Nevertheless, I'm happy for any replies or
suggestions.

Thanks in advance, best regards,
Michael

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Michael]

Gee I read that as he was going to issue a report.

On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 3:19 PM Remco Viëtor  wrote:

> On mercredi 4 mai 2022 02:38:36 CEST Top Rock Photography wrote:
> > The issue has nothing to do with Windows, nor fonts, and everything to do
> > with darktable.
> > I have only used Linux for the last umpteen years, and I had created some
> > watermarks —in Linux— to use with darktable. Everything was fine until
> the
> > 3.x branch. (may have been earlier).
> >
> > All my text, which looks great in any other SVG viewer, and used to look
> > great in darktable, now has overlapping characters. Converting the text
> to
> > a curve does not work, since the majority of my text is dynamic. $Title,
> > $Description, $date, $sequence-number, etc.
> >
> > I should have made a bug report, but, due to the excellent team at
> > darktable, I kept telling myself, “no problem, boss, dem soon fix dis.”
> >
> > Well, I think that it is time for a bug report.
>
> Then what's stopping you?
>
> *We* cannot do it for you, as we don't know exactly what you did/didn't
> do,
> nor do we know your system.
>
> And your mail certainly doesn't give enough info for a decent bug report...
>
> Remco
>
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[darktable-user] Nice to have feature: Smart mouse wheel module scroll

[Michael Staats]

Hi
I cannot decide whether I want to set the config parameter "mouse wheel
scrolls modules side panel by default" to true or false...

On the one hand, I like the "true" setting, to scroll through the
modules list.
But on the other hand, I also like to use the mouse wheel to modify e.g.
the rotation angle in "rotate and perspective" (or any other slider).

Would it be possible to have the best of both worlds, i.e. scroll
through modules by default, but change slider values when the mouse
pointer is placed on the slider (maybe "activating" it with a click)?

Sure, this is a low priority nice-to-have feature. What do others think?
I'm happy to raise an enhancement request, if others find it useful, too.

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Re: [darktable-user] How to add more black

[Michael Staats]

On 25/01/2022 17:43, Terry Pinfold wrote:

/You said /*I always work with the clipping indicators on *. I am
hopefully not going to start something which I may regret, but working
to clipping indicators is like painting by numbers. I used to do the
same, but I now only occasionally turn them on. The clipping indicators
can be adjusted to your own personal preferences, so their worth is all
relative. The look is more important. Occasionally I will turn them on
to see when the blacks or whites have reached my personally set clipping
thresholds, but only rarely.


Hi
I tend to agree, but of course it depends a lot on your monitor/display.
With a "prefect" display, you need the indicators less. I'm working with
two cheap, different 20" office monitors (one Samsung, one Eizo) side by
side. And even after fiddling around with all the settings, I cannot get
the same look on both... Maybe my fault.
So I'm never sure what my picture "really" looks like. Since I'm not a
professional -- I'm taking photos just for fun and only put some on
flickr and 500px -- it does not matter too much. But to be on the safer
side, I usually check some "numbers" with the clipping indicators.

My next monitor will be a better one, but the old bloody things just
don't want to break ;-) And you can even repair the Samsung, I recently
replaced the capacitors in the power supply, so it's working just like
new...

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Re: [darktable-user] How to add more black

[Michael Below]

Hi,
I would increase the black point in filmic.
Cheers
Michael

Am 25. Januar 2022 13:05:21 MEZ schrieb Hieke van Hoogdalem 
:
>Hi there,
>
> 
>
>In the manual I couldn't find how to add more black to an image or how to 
>increase the blacks a little bit. It's possible in Photoshop Elements and in 
>Lightroom so I guess it should be possible here too, but I can't find how. I 
>know about local contrast, but that's not what I mean.
>
> 
>
>I hope you can help me out.
>
> 
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Hieke van Hoogdalem
>
> 
>
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[darktable-user] Install version before 3.8

[Michael]

Well, I don't like 3,8 because it is too resource intensive. But I had
already updated so I was stuck. I cried, I begged, I prayed but nothing
changed. So a few weeks later I was happily upgrading my computer and
watching Bones on it. Well, it started stuttering and I forgot I was
upgrading it. I then shut it down and it wouldn't restart. Again I begged
and cried and prayed. So I reinstalled and when I got around to installing
darktable discovered it installed the stable version (3.0.1). How do I
install the version prior to 3.8 and how do I make it so it will not
upgrade? (GOD answered my prayer)

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released

[Michael Below]

Am Freitag, dem 31.12.2021 um 17:05 + schrieb
darkta...@911networks.com:
> 1. I only have bullseye, not bookworm
> 2. I didn't even look, it installed. I only had the .3 and it
> installed and it works. I used it yesterday.
> 3. Now you've prompted me to install .5 which also available from the
> same place:
> 
> https://software.opensuse.org/ and search for what you are missing.
> 

Same issue here. I tried to install 3.8 on Debian Next, but the
packages for Debian Next and Debian 11 both require libexiv2-27 >=
0.27.5-1.1 which is not available in Debian Next or 11. Looks like  the
3.8 packages can't be installed on a regular Debian system: 

dpkg: Abhängigkeitsprobleme verhindern Konfiguration von darktable:
 darktable hängt ab von libexiv2-27 (>= 0.27.5-1.1); aber:
  Version von libexiv2-27:amd64 auf dem System ist 0.27.3-3.1.

I did not try installing further SuSE packages, I prefer not mixing up
my system too much.

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[darktable-user] Denoise (profiled) non-local means way too strong for Samsung NX

[Michael Staats]

Hi all
Mostly, I'm using my Pentax DSLR, and the denoise module does what it's
supposed to do.

As a second camera, I sometimes use a Samsung NX3000. If I use the
"denoise (profile)" module with default settings, it not only removes
the noise, but way too many details.

Example raw file with xmp is in

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AhC9nspBW9ESrhXztymAbMDoxL1GDcwX?usp=sharing

if someone wants to give it a try. It's already obvious without zooming
in, e.g. on the hull of the ship. When zooming in, it becomes very obvious.

Of course, this is not a serious issue, I can use the "wavelets" mode of
denoise, which does not show this effect. I just wonder about the root
cause. Does Samsung already modify (denoise) the "raw" files, so that
some effects add (or multiply)?

So it's more a question out of curiosity.

Thanks in advance for any answer, and of course, thanks to the
developers of darktable!

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Re: [darktable-user] Spot removal gone in 3.6 - ouch!

[Michael Staats]

On 29/10/2021 08:21, Rafa García wrote:
> Hi,
>
>   You're lucky, the retouch module has a cloning mode that works in the
> same way as the old spot removal.
>
> Check the manual:
>  
> https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/3.6/module-reference/processing-modules/retouch/
> <https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/3.6/module-reference/processing-modules/retouch/>

[ ... ]

> El vie, 29 oct 2021 a las 8:17, Michael Staats ( <mailto:michael.sta...@gmx.de>>) escribió:
>
> On 29/10/2021 07:00, Andrew Greig wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have just moved to DT 3.6 Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and I miss the Spot
> removal

[ ... ]

> have the same complaint -- until I found out that the functionality of
> the cloning tool is still available in the retouch module, you just have
> to activate the "cloning tool" in the algorithms section.

Hi,
well, I think that's exactly what I wrote already (see above -- yes,
above ;-). But as I also wrote recently, emails are write-only, or at
least write-mostly nowadays, so...

Anyway, the links to the manual might helpful.

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Re: [darktable-user] Spot removal gone in 3.6 - ouch!

[Michael Staats]

On 29/10/2021 07:00, Andrew Greig wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have just moved to DT 3.6 Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and I miss the Spot removal
> tool. Please re-instate it. Some, mistakenly, I believe, consider the
> Retouch module to be superior in function to the spot removal tool.

Hi
I don't think the retouch module (with the "healing" algortihm) is
superior, it's just different. I would totally agree with you, and would
have the same complaint -- until I found out that the functionality of
the cloning tool is still available in the retouch module, you just have
to activate the "cloning tool" in the algorithms section.

I'd like to add: Of course, because the darktable developers for sure
know and understand that cloning is different from retouching, and
certainly a valid use case. So we can trust them -- thanks for
darktable, by the way!

But I agree, it was not really obvious...

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Re: [darktable-user] problem installing darktable

[michael raider]

It's easy, but disingenuous, to blame Microsoft. The email programs I used 
before there was such a thing as MS Outlook used top posting in replies.



I never even knew bottom posting was a thing until I got flamed on this group 
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wrote 


> 
> This started with a comment from Patrick that there were a lot of people 
> quoting the whole thread every time, and he would prefer the "Linux Way" 
> of bottom posting. Not a troll. 
> 
> Andrew 
> 
 
Hi 
Top quoting is not the "Linux Way". Top Quiting is the preferred quoting 
method since ages, for email, and e.g. in the Usenet. These were the 
days when the Internet (and other "networks") were used mostly for 
actual communication. This was established long before Linux was 
created, and (wait a sec), ok, not before Linus Torvalds was born, but 
almost. 
 
Then, Outlook entered the scene, and email became mostly write-only. If 
you only write to make your point, you do not need to ensure context, 
this would even spoil the effect. So you "bottom quote", and hope that 
nobody reads below the first two sentences. Which is exactly what I 
observe in so-called "professional office emails". 
Everyone is using MS Outlook, every employer (with very few exceptions) 
is following the Microsoft way, because they think that's how god 
designed the world. Which is wrong, of course. (I have to admit that I 
follow this habit in my work-life, too, because all others do, and I 
cannot save the world...) 
 
So if you want people to read and understand your email, you usually 
have to provide some context. And since people read from top to bottom, 
you should put the context (i.e. the quote you are referring to) on the 
top. Of course, abbreviated to the significant parts. Yes, that might be 
a bit more tedious, but eventually, you want others to understand your 
email. So you should spend a few minutes more, to save hours and days of 
others (in total). Especially if there is no business pressure, like you 
are the manager, and your underlings should spend the effort to 
understand what you mean -- this here is all voluntary. 
 
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Michael 
 
 
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Re: [darktable-user] problem installing darktable

[Michael Staats]

>
> This started with a comment from Patrick that there were a lot of people
> quoting the whole thread every time, and he would prefer the "Linux Way"
> of bottom posting. Not a troll.
>
> Andrew
>

Hi
Top quoting is not the "Linux Way". Top Quiting is the preferred quoting
method since ages, for email, and e.g. in the Usenet. These were the
days when the Internet (and other "networks") were used mostly for
actual communication. This was established long before Linux was
created, and (wait a sec), ok, not before Linus Torvalds was born, but
almost.

Then, Outlook entered the scene, and email became mostly write-only. If
you only write to make your point, you do not need to ensure context,
this would even spoil the effect. So you "bottom quote", and hope that
nobody reads below the first two sentences. Which is exactly what I
observe in so-called "professional office emails".
Everyone is using MS Outlook, every employer (with very few exceptions)
is following the Microsoft way, because they think that's how god
designed the world. Which is wrong, of course. (I have to admit that I
follow this habit in my work-life, too, because all others do, and I
cannot save the world...)

So if you want people to read and understand your email, you usually
have to provide some context. And since people read from top to bottom,
you should put the context (i.e. the quote you are referring to) on the
top. Of course, abbreviated to the significant parts. Yes, that might be
a bit more tedious, but eventually, you want others to understand your
email. So you should spend a few minutes more, to save hours and days of
others (in total). Especially if there is no business pressure, like you
are the manager, and your underlings should spend the effort to
understand what you mean -- this here is all voluntary.

Best regards,
Michael


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Re: [darktable-user] problem installing darktable

[michael raider]

Personally, I prefer top posting. It's really annoying when someone doesn't 
trim their reply and I have to scroll way down to find the most current 
response.



FWIW top posting is the default of every mail client I've used on Linux and 
android.


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On 16/10/21 11:44 am, Terry Pinfold wrote: 
> I am happy to try and top post, but maybe myself and others are not 
> familiar with what Google Chrome is doing with our posts. So is this 
> current post of mine a top post or bottom post. I have deleted the 
> content that appears when I ask it to reply to all. I have also 
> deleted your personal email from the reply list. 
> 
Hi Terry, 
 
This is what bottom posting looks like. It has enough information in the 
retained messages (1 or 2) for clarity and then reading from the top 
message down we get the story as we would in a paperback or newspaper. 
Strictly, I have been a bad boy here because I have "forked" the 
conversation as the original discussion is found in the subject line and 
has nothing to do with preferred posting practices. 
 
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[darktable-user] Compile darktable

[Michael]

I was wanting to compile darktable for my operating system (arch). I know I
could pacman it but where's the fun in that? Any ways is there any place
with directions to doing this?

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Re: [darktable-user] Mark to delete multiple pictures at once

[Michael Jacobs]

Thanks, I fully agree with the color and star workflow.  Unfortunately, for
this specific case, it didn't work.  I'll correct the 300 pictures one by
on manually for now.
Brgds,
Michael

On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 19:24, Guillermo Rozas  wrote:

> Maybe try select all the images you want marked, filter to show "all but
> rejected", reject, remove the filter.
> Regards,
> Guillemo
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 1:38 PM Michael Jacobs 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is there a way to "mark to delete" multiple pictures at once ? I don't
>> mean "remove" or "delete (trash)" from the "selected image(s)" module, I
>> mean mark pictures as to be deleted (red x)
>>
>> Grouping pictures and then marking them to delete doesn't work, it just
>> inverts "mark to delete" (boolean) value of the selected pictures.
>> Basically, I just need to force all selected pictures as on or off.
>>
>> Any jint ?
>>
>> Brgds,
>> Michael
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[darktable-user] Mark to delete multiple pictures at once

[Michael Jacobs]

Hi,

Is there a way to "mark to delete" multiple pictures at once ? I don't mean
"remove" or "delete (trash)" from the "selected image(s)" module, I mean
mark pictures as to be deleted (red x)

Grouping pictures and then marking them to delete doesn't work, it just
inverts "mark to delete" (boolean) value of the selected pictures.
Basically, I just need to force all selected pictures as on or off.

Any jint ?

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Re: [darktable-user] Adding a browser

[Michael]

Is this something in addition to tags?

On October 7, 2021 2:52:28 PM PDT, Terry Pinfold  
wrote:
>
>
>Number one for me is DT's abilty to edit. Any ability to search for and find 
>my images through lighttable is a bonus. But this should never be at the cost 
>of making DT a bloated program. I wonder if it would be possible to improve 
>the sort by funtionality of DT to include keywords. I am not a developer so I 
>don't understand what is easy and practical to impliment.
>   
> Terry
>
>From: Jean-Luc CECCOLI 
>Sent: Friday, 8 October 2021 8:38 AM
>To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org ; 
>darktable-...@lists.darktable.org 
>Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Adding a browser
>
>> Lorenzo Fontanella schrieb am 06.10.21 um 17:58:
>> > Evening,
>> > I submit to you some considerations:
>> > DarkTable originated along the lines of Lightroom but with the purpose of
>> > [.../...]
>> > What do you think.
>> > For me it would be a double option that would facilitate the adoption of
>> > this great software by those who do not want to be forced to work with
>> > databases and forced imports.
>> >
>> > Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator 
>> > (free version)
>> >
>> >
>> > Lorenzo Fontanella
>>
>> Message du 06/10/21 19:28
>> De : "Bernhard"
>> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org, darktable-...@lists.darktable.org
>> Copie à :
>> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Adding a browser
>>
>> I think this would have many drawbacks ...
>>
>> [.../...]
>> So for me the current concept makes sense.
>
>+1
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Filter pictures taken with flash

[Michael Jacobs]

For the time being, I'll be using Exiftool :

List pictures with flash :

exiftool -if '$Flash ne "Off, Did not fire"' -p '$Filename' .

List pictures without flash :

exiftool -if '$Flash eq "Off, Did not fire"' -p '$Filename' .

Brgds,
Michael

On Thu, 23 Sept 2021 at 17:58, William Ferguson 
wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 11:20 AM Bernhard 
> wrote:
>
>> I checked the darktable database and could not find an entry of that
>> EXIF field in the database itself - that means that there is no native
>> way to do this in dt directly.
>> So I assume that Bill as "master of lua" had something in mind like a
>> lua-script working e. g. with exiftool to filter the required images and
>> perhaps show them in lighttable (?).
>>
> This is now my plan B, since plan A (below) doesn't seem to be working
>
>> But that's nothing I can help any further with any details.
>>
>> Michael Jacobs schrieb am 23.09.21 um 14:07:
>> > Anyone a hint on this ?
>>
> I had an idea about interacting with the metadata view part of the code,
> but the hook that is there doesn't seem to be working so there may be a bug
> to fix.
>
>> > Michael
>> >
>> > On Mon, 20 Sept 2021 at 18:28, William Ferguson 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> The short answer is yes.  The long answer is I have to remember how to
>> do
>> >> it :).
>> >>
>> >> Bill
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 3:23 AM Michael Jacobs <
>> michael.jac...@scarlet.be>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>> Is there anyway to select pictures taken with flash ?
>> >>> I can't find any option in metadata or capture details.
>> >>> Brgds,
>> >>> Michael
>> >>>
>>
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Re: [darktable-user] I need help updating my Nikon P1000 firmware

[Michael]

Shouldn't this thread be on a Nikon forum?

On September 25, 2021 1:06:23 PM PDT, Timur Irikovich Davletshin 
 wrote:
>On Sat, 2021-09-25 at 15:24 -0400, Ed Wugalter wrote:
>> Windows 10 64 bit.
>> 
>
>No need for Windows, those 'exe' files can be extracted in Linux after
>changing file extension to 'zip'.
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Re: [darktable-user] Memory clock speed, any impact on darktable?

[Michael Staats]

On 25/09/2021 11:05, Francesco Scaglioni wrote:
> FWIW : I have a GTX 1070 ( Ubuntu 20.04 ) and opencl makes a very
> significant difference for the better.
>
>
> On 25/09/2021 08:33, Jack Bowling wrote:
>> Looks like your system is stable at 2400MHz so I would leave it there.
>> However, I see you are running a GTX 1660 as am I. The best thing you
>> could do to speed up processing if you haven't done it already is to
>> activate opencl in darktable perferences. I run darktable on Ubuntu
>> 20.04 also but with opencl activated and it is noticeably faster than
>> leaving the processing to the cpu (not all modules have been
>> opencl-enabled, though).

Hi
Thanks for these hints, but sure, I'm using opencl already, that was the
only reason to get the GTX 1660 ;-)
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[darktable-user] Memory clock speed, any impact on darktable?

[Michael Staats]

Hi
It's actually a bit embarrassing to ask a hardware related question
here, I have never bothered much about hardware in the last 20 years ;-)

But ok, I recently checked my memory clock speed in the BIOS, it's set
to "Auto", which results in 2400 MHz. My memory modules should support
up to 3000 MHz. But when I set to 3000 MHz manually, the machine does
not boot, and I have set it back to "Auto" now.

Question: Is it worth to play around with some settings between 2400 MHz
and 3000 MHz? Is there any downside if, say, 2800 MHz works?

And most of all: Does it make any difference for darktable? Darktable is
the only program which challenges my hardware, I'm not a gamer or so.

For the records, my machine is an

ASUS PRIME B450M-A
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, 8x 3700 MHz
GeForce GTX 1660 StormX OC
4 x 8 GB DDR4 ("Ballistix Sport", 3000 MHz)
running Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS

Thanks in advance, best regards,
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Re: [darktable-user] Filter pictures taken with flash

[Michael Jacobs]

Anyone a hint on this ?
Michael

On Mon, 20 Sept 2021 at 18:28, William Ferguson 
wrote:

> The short answer is yes.  The long answer is I have to remember how to do
> it :).
>
> Bill
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 3:23 AM Michael Jacobs 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Is there anyway to select pictures taken with flash ?
>> I can't find any option in metadata or capture details.
>> Brgds,
>> Michael
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[darktable-user] Filter pictures taken with flash

[Michael Jacobs]

Hi,
Is there anyway to select pictures taken with flash ?
I can't find any option in metadata or capture details.
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Re: [darktable-user] Storage solutions

[Michael Staats]

On 25/07/2021 06:48, Niranjan Rao wrote:
> Greetings,
>
>
> Not a directly darktable question so to say, but relates to it and I'm
> sure many on this list have experienced similar issues.
>
>
> As photo collection grows, so does disk usage to the point it becomes a
> critical issue. I have another storage disk connected to different PC
> where I keep moving the files as needed. However when the file is moved,
> images are naturally broken.
>
>
> Is there a way to remap the image to new path? If not, how do you handle
> this kind of scenario? File is still available, but at a new path. Main
> storage does get full and because it's a laptop, I can not connect
> another disk easily.
>
>
> If it matters, all machines are Ubuntu based.

Ok, first of all: There is a "move" feature in dt's lighttable. If you
use this, I'd expect that it will update the library etc. all right.

But then, for the hackers here, I have some script to do that... But
it's messing around with the internal dt library, so the behaviour has
to be considered as undefined, and certainly not stable with regards to
future versions.
My script relies on my folder structure, so you probably cannot use it
directly. It will also move the files for you, if you have already done
it, it will also not help, so I'm not going to share it (and no one can
blame me for screwing their library).

So here's the outline what you can try:

1. Connect to the library.db wiht a SQLite client of you choice (I'm
using a perl script with the DBI module and the SQLite "driver".

2. Find the id of the folder where your files live with "select id from
film_rolls where folder = '/your/old/path'"

3. Update the DB with "update film_rolls set folder = '/your/new/path'
where id = ".

(of course, if you are sure about your source path, you can combine 2
and 3 with "update film_rolls set folder = '/your/new/path' where id =
(select id from film_rolls where folder = '/your/old/path'), or even
simply "update film_rolls set folder = '/your/new/path' where folder =
'/your/old/path'", but the last version could potentially update more
than one row... I'm not sure if it ever could happen, but I'd be careful
here -- on the other hand, maybe you want this to happen...)

4. If you also want to fix your history of folders, you can update your
darktablerc with sth. like using this perl-replace
s!/your/old/path!/your/new/path!g;

Step 4 is "nice to have", if you ignore it, your history in dt will not
find show the new paths, but that's not an issue, just open the new path
from "import".

Of course, needless to say, make backups of library.db and darktablerc
before even trying. As I said, this may or may not work for you, you
might render your library useless. You have been warned.

Best regards,
Michael

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Re: [darktable-user] Re: [blfs-support] darktable

[Michael]

I'm sorry developers That is not how I meant it at all. The way I
heard it is that when the guy whom packaged it for windows came around
(don't remember his name) there was discussion amongst the developers
whether or not they would authorize it. I wasn't privy to the
discussions so it is only 2nd hand knowledge. hmm... that
makes it a rumor. So nevermind what I said I don't like rumors!

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 1:54 PM Patrick Shanahan  wrote:
>
> * Michael  [07-19-21 13:47]:
> > > no, wrong, but they were not really interested and appears that there are
> > > few willing to step up and package dt for windows.  And dt is available
> > > for what-ever platform where one is interested in complying.
> > >
> > How am I wrong?
>
> you are posting FUD.
>
> darktable is *not* just a linux program, but is delivered as source code
> and packaged by various individuals for installation in their chosen
> platform(s).
>
> and "They only just recently made a windoze port. the developers were
> carried kicking and screaming." is not true and derogatory.
>
> Why would you demean the dt developers?
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Re: [darktable-user] Re: [blfs-support] darktable

[Michael]

sorry... that message went to the wrong list

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 1:44 PM Michael  wrote:
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> > no, wrong, but they were not really interested and appears that there are
> > few willing to step up and package dt for windows.  And dt is available
> > for what-ever platform where one is interested in complying.
> >
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Re: [darktable-user] Re: [blfs-support] darktable

[Michael]

> no, wrong, but they were not really interested and appears that there are
> few willing to step up and package dt for windows.  And dt is available
> for what-ever platform where one is interested in complying.
>
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[darktable-user] Re: [blfs-support] darktable

[Michael]

 >  Hmm, I see that AUR is using clang which always
> depresses me but it seems to be par for the course on a lot of cmake
> packages which are primarily developed for windoze.

darktable is a Linux program. They only just recently made a windoze
port. the developers were carried kicking and screaming.

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[darktable-user] LFS

[Michael]

Does anyone have the willingness and time to maintain darktable in the
Linux from Scratch* project? This is what it entails:
a. The package has to be monitored for new releases.
b. The package has to be built and checked for correct functioning in
the LFS environment.
c. The page has to be written and published.
d. The package has to be rebuilt at every release.
e. New versions of the package have to be built and tested and then
the book needs to be updated.
I am willing to do it but don't have the technical ability to do so.
Maybe we could organize a team of people to do it so it isn't so
difficult.
*Linux from Scratch is a project where people build their own Linux
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Michael Staats]

On 15/07/2021 20:47, Willy Williams wrote:
> I tend to think that perhaps I'm overthinking this, but here's the
> question:  In v3.4, I could "import" an "image" or a "folder" (section
> 2.3.1 of The Fine Manual for v 3.4).  Now that v3.6 has been released, I
> can "import" then "add to library" or "copy & import", per section 1.4.1
> of The New Fine Manual.  It almost seems that these changes are purely
> verbiage, not unlike a used car salesman calling a "pig" a "cochon" to
> be able to double the sale price.  Frankly, I prefer to be able to open
> a single image the way I did in v3.4 to the new way of opening a
> library, then a folder, then an image as in v3.6.  It seems to me that
> if my perception is correct, darktable is sliding too close to things I
> detest about Lightroom.  If my perception is wrong, I'm very open to
> seeing it differently, but this is what I see right now. Thoughts?
>
> Willy Williams
>

Hi
According to what I understood, you are mostly right, except that it's
more like calling a "pig" a "pig" and a "cow" a "cow", and not only one
button with "some mammals" ;-)

In other words: There were many discussions about what (the old)
"import" means, when you (e.g.) connect your camera directly, or
"import" from a local directory. One was involving copying files, the
other did not. And this has become clearer now. Otherwise it's the same
thing.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable Backup instructions / guide?

[Michael van Wensveen]

Thanks for the help. I found the path on Windows but I should have just
tried the upgrade as the path is reported in the pop-up message! :)

C:\Users\\AppData\Local\darktable

[image: image.png]

Thanks,

Michael vW


On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 11:53 PM I. Ivanov  wrote:

> All the information on file level is preserved in .xmp - if you keep the
> .xmp you can restore the processing.
>
> If you want something more - I'd keep the complete darktable folder. On
> Linux it is .config/darktable likely similar on windows but under home
> folder programs and features or something like this.
>
> Regards,
>
> B
>
>
> On 7/5/21 12:31, Michael van Wensveen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm looking for a darktable backup guide or instructions but can't
> > find any. Could someone point me to some help?
> >
> > I'm running darktable v3.4 on Windows 10.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Michael vW
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[darktable-user] darktable Backup instructions / guide?

[Michael van Wensveen]

 Hi,

I'm looking for a darktable backup guide or instructions but can't find
any. Could someone point me to some help?

I'm running darktable v3.4 on Windows 10.

Thanks,

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Re: [darktable-user] camera/lens recognized

[Michael]

Sorry I was asking for Peter. I thought He had asked on facebook (I
saw it hours ago). I do know the camera is a Pentax K-3 mark 3. As for
the lens I was asking before he asked.

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 3:17 PM Patrick Shanahan  wrote:
>
> * Michael  [05-30-21 15:12]:
> > how can I help get a camera recognized?
> > how can I help get a lens recognized?
>
>
> what camera?
> what lense?
> how is it failing?
> what version dt?
> what operating system?
>
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[darktable-user] Re: camera/lens recognized

[Michael]

Sorry Peter, I thought your question was on facebook so I was asking
here to find out.

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> how can I help get a camera recognized?
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[darktable-user] camera/lens recognized

[Michael]

how can I help get a camera recognized?
how can I help get a lens recognized?
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