Re: [darktable-user] Re: Film rolls

[darktable]

On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 18:10:30 +
dabicho  wrote:

>I think you can have copies, can't you? If I'm not wrong, on light
>table ctrl+d with a selected image.
>
>What would help is if there is an easily accessible catalog of all
>created tags for grouping/searching or whatever it'll be called, and
>being able to make simple logical selectors, like this tag and not
>that tag or so. I don't have that many photos yet though.
>

I'd love to, but I haven't found a way of search for duplicates
(from the ctrl-d) only.

Is there a way?

Thanks


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Re: [darktable-user] Re: Film rolls

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On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 10:40:23 -0500
Owen Mays  wrote:

>I apologize if this is a dumb question (I've never used Lightroom),
>but how is using tags different from a "virtual collection"? You can
>even create nested tags, so you could have a category called "my
>virtual collections" and then tags below that.

Lightroom has collections and virtual copies (of images), which is
different.

A virtual copy can belong to a different collection than the original
collection, and can have different processing.

For example:

1. original processed ==> nice image

2. virtual copy for web ==> collection set (group of collections) webs
2.1 web export from virtual copy: around 1000px with watermark
(sub-collection: exports watermarks)
2.2 web export: around 1000px without watermark (sub-collection:
export w/o watermarks)
2.3 web export pinterest (sub-collection: exports pinterests)

3. virtual copy for print ==> collection set (group of collections)
prints 
3.1 print: machine 8x10 ==> sub-collection print-8x10
3.2 print: lightjet 8x10 ==> sub-collection print-lightjet 8x10
...

Each image in the sub-collections is a virtual copy with different
settings from the original, from the cropping/framing to different
contrast...

Is there a way of doing something like that with tags?

Thanks

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[darktable-user] Re: Film rolls

[Christian Mandel]

Am 20.06.2016 um 17:40 schrieb Owen Mays:

I apologize if this is a dumb question (I've never used Lightroom),
but how is using tags different from a "virtual collection"? You can
even create nested tags, so you could have a category called "my
virtual collections" and then tags below that.


I've never used lr as well, but I can imagine that a different UI could 
make a huge difference (especially in workflow speed-up), even if tags 
would be used internally (e.g. in the darktable namespace).


Best regards

Chris



Regards,

Owen

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Tony Arnold
 wrote:


On Mon, 2016-06-20 at 08:16 -0700, darkta...@911networks.com wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:23:41 +0200
Christian Mandel  wrote:



This topic is discussed frequently, one of the last threads was
“Film roll vs folder” starting on 2015-11-16. Film rolls are
related
to file system paths, each film roll will hold a subset of images
of
a folder. Therefore, you would need a copy (or link) of the image
in
several folders, and even then, the edit history would not be the
same. One could argue about other methods for collections, but I
guess at the moment tags is probably the closest you will get.

I did see that and I asked because P. Shanahan said:



A "film roll" is a *collection* of images whereas a folder is a
directory, a storage structure.

but from everything else, they look to be the same.

What I'm trying to do is:

1. Collections
2. Virtual copies but each belonging to different collection


It sounds like you want a similar feature to 'virtual collections' in
LightRoom where you can add images arbitrarily to a user created
collection.

In my experience, DT does not support this functionality. I get round
this by using tags, where the tag is your 'virtual collection'. You can
use the 'collect images' panel on the left hand side to select all
images with a given tag.

Virtual collections would be a really useful feature in DT, but looking
at the database structure I can imagine it's a fair amount of work to
implement, and that's assuming the developers want to do so!

Regards,
Tony.
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Re: [darktable-user] Re: Film rolls

[Tony Arnold]

Owen,

On Mon, 2016-06-20 at 10:40 -0500, Owen Mays wrote:
> I apologize if this is a dumb question (I've never used Lightroom),
> but how is using tags different from a "virtual collection"? You can
> even create nested tags, so you could have a category called "my
> virtual collections" and then tags below that.

I've not used LR either. All I know about it iswhat a friend of mine
tells me! And we've had quite a few long discussions comparing LR and
DT.

One possibility, IIRC, is that you may be able to have a different set
of changes on the same image that is in more than one collection. But
I'm not really sure.

Regards,
Tony.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Tony Arnold
 wrote:


On Mon, 2016-06-20 at 08:16 -0700, darkta...@911networks.com wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:23:41 +0200
Christian Mandel  wrote:



This topic is discussed frequently, one of the last threads was
“Film roll vs folder” starting on 2015-11-16. Film rolls are
related
to file system paths, each film roll will hold a subset of images
of
a folder. Therefore, you would need a copy (or link) of the image
in
several folders, and even then, the edit history would not be the
same. One could argue about other methods for collections, but I
guess at the moment tags is probably the closest you will get.

I did see that and I asked because P. Shanahan said:



A "film roll" is a *collection* of images whereas a folder is a
directory, a storage structure.

but from everything else, they look to be the same.

What I'm trying to do is:

1. Collections
2. Virtual copies but each belonging to different collection


It sounds like you want a similar feature to 'virtual collections' in
LightRoom where you can add images arbitrarily to a user created
collection.

In my experience, DT does not support this functionality. I get round
this by using tags, where the tag is your 'virtual collection'. You can

use the 'collect images' panel on the left hand side to select all
images with a given tag.

Virtual collections would be a really useful feature in DT, but looking

at the database structure I can imagine it's a fair amount of work to
implement, and that's assuming the developers want to do so!

Regards,
Tony.
--
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Services | T: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 | M: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 | E: tony.
arn...@manchester.ac.uk
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