Re: [darktable-user] exiv2, darktable, AVIF, metadata, and ExifTool
Thank you for that information. Really appreciate it. GREAT NEWS! Looks like a possible 21st May release date for 0.27.4, but a 31st March date for RC1 to be integrated with darktable. Looking forward to it. Sincerely, Karim Hosein Top Rock Photography 754.999.1652 On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 09:01, Milos Komarcevic wrote: > Hi again Karim, > > I also noticed from the thread there is some confusion about upcoming > exiv2 release plan. > > AFAIK, the upcoming 0.27.4 should support AVIF (and other ISO BMFF based > containers) later this spring: > > https://github.com/Exiv2/exiv2/milestone/6 > > 0.28 won't happen for quite some time... > > BR, > Milos > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2, darktable, AVIF, metadata, and ExifTool
On 2/5/21 3:26 PM, Top Rock Photography wrote: Thank you, Patrick. That made me investigate. There exists an AVIF plugin for QT5. This plugin requires ECM version 5.70.0 or greater. Ubuntu LTS (20.04) has version 5.68.0. 20.10 has 5.74. -- Šarūnas Burdulis math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas · https://useplaintext.email · OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2, darktable, AVIF, metadata, and ExifTool
Okay, so here is how QT/KDE works… to some extent. Image support is on a system-wide basis, not per application. To get AVIF support, I had to update ECM & Cmake, then install the qt5-avif-plugin. (This means compile all three). Well that did not work, so I compiled (again) Gwenview. Still did not work. [ASIDE] Ubuntu LTS can be a pain to have sometimes. By the time I am done with all my compiles, it will no longer be ubuntu! [/ASIDE] It turns out that the install script for the qt5 plugin did not put things in the places where they are supposed to be. So, I had to copy them manually to the correct locations. Voila!!! Gwenview works! …sorta kinda. No EXIF data since gwenview uses EXIV2 and not ExifTool. Exiv2 version 0.27.3 (and, if I understand correctly, version 0.28.0, when it comes out) does not have support for AVIF metadata. [ASIDE] I remember not so long ago, having to compile exiv2 version 0.27.x just so that I can see metadata in WebP files on my Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. [/ASIDE] Using ExifTool, I can see my EXIF and XMP metadata. (The XMP metadata, I had to copy into it from a JPEG JFIF file, using ExifTool). Thanks to Milos Komarcevic for pointing out that the only reason I have EXIF data in the AVIF files in the first place is because libavif handles the writing of the metadata to begin with, so Exiv2 is not involved. Sincerely, Karim Hosein Top Rock Photography 754.999.1652 On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 at 15:26, Top Rock Photography < ka...@toprockphotography.com> wrote: > Thank you, Patrick. > > That made me investigate. There exists an AVIF plugin for QT5. This plugin > requires ECM version 5.70.0 or greater. Ubuntu LTS (20.04) has version > 5.68.0. > > So two more compiles to try; first, ECM (Extra CMake Modules) version > 5.70.0 (or higher), then the qt5 AVIF plugin. Then Gwenview may work…. > > …Except that I may also have to bring KF5 (and all its parts) up to > version 5.70.0 (or higher), also. Currently they are at versions 5.68.0. > > I will let you know how that works out. > > Sincerely, > > Karim Hosein > Top Rock Photography > 754.999.1652 > > > > On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 at 13:56, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > >> * Top Rock Photography [02-05-21 13:09]: >> > Okay, I compiled gwenview 20.12.2, and, during compilation, it seems >> that >> > it uses exiv2, and only recognises FITS, JPEG (JFIF/SPIFF ???), PNG, >> > SVG,TIFF, & WebP. No indication of AVIF support. >> > >> > Installed, and found no AVIF support. (& if it did, would not recognise >> the >> > metadata). >> > >> > Will try with Geeqie per Šarūnas Burdulis. >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > >> > Karim Hosein >> > Top Rock Photography >> > 754.999.1652 >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 20:24, Patrick Shanahan >> wrote: >> > >> > > * Top Rock Photography [02-04-21 >> 19:44]: >> > > > Ah! Another compile for me. Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has Gwenview 19.12.3, >> and it >> > > > does not recognise AVIF files. I see that version 20.12.2 is out. I >> have >> > > > just downloaded it, and will try to compile it tomorrow. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks. >> > > > >> > > > P.s., does it use Exiv2 or ExifTool for metadata? I do have the >> latest >> > > > ExivTool with AVIF support. ;-) >> > > > >> > > > Sincerely, >> > > > >> > > > Karim Hosein >> > > > Top Rock Photography >> > > > 754.999.1652 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 17:18, Patrick Shanahan >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > gwenview displays avif files but not exif data. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > appears libexiv2.so.27 (on openSUSE Tumbleweed). >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA >> @ptilopteri >> > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member >> facebook/ptilopteri >> > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet >> freenode >> > > >> > > >> >> > > darktable user mailing list >> > > to unsubscribe send a mail to >> > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > darktable user mailing list >> > to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > >> >> >> works fine on openSUSE Tumbleweed! >> -- >> (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri >> http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member >> facebook/ptilopteri >> Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet >> freenode >> >> >> darktable user mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> >> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2, darktable, AVIF, metadata, and ExifTool
Thank you, Patrick. That made me investigate. There exists an AVIF plugin for QT5. This plugin requires ECM version 5.70.0 or greater. Ubuntu LTS (20.04) has version 5.68.0. So two more compiles to try; first, ECM (Extra CMake Modules) version 5.70.0 (or higher), then the qt5 AVIF plugin. Then Gwenview may work…. …Except that I may also have to bring KF5 (and all its parts) up to version 5.70.0 (or higher), also. Currently they are at versions 5.68.0. I will let you know how that works out. Sincerely, Karim Hosein Top Rock Photography 754.999.1652 On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 at 13:56, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Top Rock Photography [02-05-21 13:09]: > > Okay, I compiled gwenview 20.12.2, and, during compilation, it seems that > > it uses exiv2, and only recognises FITS, JPEG (JFIF/SPIFF ???), PNG, > > SVG,TIFF, & WebP. No indication of AVIF support. > > > > Installed, and found no AVIF support. (& if it did, would not recognise > the > > metadata). > > > > Will try with Geeqie per Šarūnas Burdulis. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Karim Hosein > > Top Rock Photography > > 754.999.1652 > > > > > > > > On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 20:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > > > * Top Rock Photography [02-04-21 > 19:44]: > > > > Ah! Another compile for me. Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has Gwenview 19.12.3, > and it > > > > does not recognise AVIF files. I see that version 20.12.2 is out. I > have > > > > just downloaded it, and will try to compile it tomorrow. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > P.s., does it use Exiv2 or ExifTool for metadata? I do have the > latest > > > > ExivTool with AVIF support. ;-) > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Karim Hosein > > > > Top Rock Photography > > > > 754.999.1652 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 17:18, Patrick Shanahan > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gwenview displays avif files but not exif data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appears libexiv2.so.27 (on openSUSE Tumbleweed). > > > > > > > > > -- > > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA > @ptilopteri > > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member > facebook/ptilopteri > > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet > freenode > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > works fine on openSUSE Tumbleweed! > -- > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2, darktable, AVIF, metadata, and ExifTool
According to the Geeqie website, they only support… 3FR, ANI, APM, ARW, BMP, CR2, CRW, CUR, DNG, ERF, GIF, ICNS, ICO, JPE/JPEG/JPG, JPS, KDC, MEF, MPO, MOS, MRW, NEF, ORF, PEF, PTX, PBM/PGM/PNM/PPM, PNG, QIF/QTIF (QuickTime Image Format), RAF, RAW, RW2, SR2, SRF, SVG/SVGZ, TGA/TARGA, TIF/TIFF, WMF, XBM, XPM I think that I remember from before, that they did not support WebP. Currently, unless otherwise requested, my final images are in WebP format. Hence, Geeqie is not an option for me. In the future, my workflow may possibly end with AVIF files. That is why I am eager for things to advance in that direction. It may not happen, and that is just fine, but considering the huge collab which exists within AOM, it may be inevitable. Sincerely, Karim Hosein Top Rock Photography 754.999.1652 On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 16:29, Šarūnas wrote: > On 2/4/21 4:13 PM, Top Rock Photography wrote: > > ... > > So, thank you, darktable developers, for giving me my EXIF data in my > > AVIF (and, of course, WebP) files. Now if I can only find a viewer > > —other than Chrome, Chromium, & Firefox— which can view an AVIF, and > > also, which can display its metadata. ;-) > Geeqie? > > -- > Šarūnas Burdulis > math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas > > · https://useplaintext.email · > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2, darktable, AVIF, metadata, and ExifTool
* Top Rock Photography [02-05-21 13:09]: > Okay, I compiled gwenview 20.12.2, and, during compilation, it seems that > it uses exiv2, and only recognises FITS, JPEG (JFIF/SPIFF ???), PNG, > SVG,TIFF, & WebP. No indication of AVIF support. > > Installed, and found no AVIF support. (& if it did, would not recognise the > metadata). > > Will try with Geeqie per Šarūnas Burdulis. > > Sincerely, > > Karim Hosein > Top Rock Photography > 754.999.1652 > > > > On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 20:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > * Top Rock Photography [02-04-21 19:44]: > > > Ah! Another compile for me. Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has Gwenview 19.12.3, and it > > > does not recognise AVIF files. I see that version 20.12.2 is out. I have > > > just downloaded it, and will try to compile it tomorrow. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > P.s., does it use Exiv2 or ExifTool for metadata? I do have the latest > > > ExivTool with AVIF support. ;-) > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Karim Hosein > > > Top Rock Photography > > > 754.999.1652 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 17:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gwenview displays avif files but not exif data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appears libexiv2.so.27 (on openSUSE Tumbleweed). > > > > > > -- > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > works fine on openSUSE Tumbleweed! -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2, darktable, AVIF, metadata, and ExifTool
Okay, I compiled gwenview 20.12.2, and, during compilation, it seems that it uses exiv2, and only recognises FITS, JPEG (JFIF/SPIFF ???), PNG, SVG,TIFF, & WebP. No indication of AVIF support. Installed, and found no AVIF support. (& if it did, would not recognise the metadata). Will try with Geeqie per Šarūnas Burdulis. Sincerely, Karim Hosein Top Rock Photography 754.999.1652 On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 20:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Top Rock Photography [02-04-21 19:44]: > > Ah! Another compile for me. Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has Gwenview 19.12.3, and it > > does not recognise AVIF files. I see that version 20.12.2 is out. I have > > just downloaded it, and will try to compile it tomorrow. > > > > Thanks. > > > > P.s., does it use Exiv2 or ExifTool for metadata? I do have the latest > > ExivTool with AVIF support. ;-) > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Karim Hosein > > Top Rock Photography > > 754.999.1652 > > > > > > > > On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 17:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > gwenview displays avif files but not exif data. > > > > > > > > > > appears libexiv2.so.27 (on openSUSE Tumbleweed). > > > -- > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2, darktable, AVIF, metadata, and ExifTool
On 2/4/21 4:13 PM, Top Rock Photography wrote: ... So, thank you, darktable developers, for giving me my EXIF data in my AVIF (and, of course, WebP) files. Now if I can only find a viewer —other than Chrome, Chromium, & Firefox— which can view an AVIF, and also, which can display its metadata. ;-) Geeqie? -- Šarūnas Burdulis math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas · https://useplaintext.email · OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2, darktable, AVIF, metadata, and ExifTool
* Top Rock Photography [02-04-21 19:44]: > Ah! Another compile for me. Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has Gwenview 19.12.3, and it > does not recognise AVIF files. I see that version 20.12.2 is out. I have > just downloaded it, and will try to compile it tomorrow. > > Thanks. > > P.s., does it use Exiv2 or ExifTool for metadata? I do have the latest > ExivTool with AVIF support. ;-) > > Sincerely, > > Karim Hosein > Top Rock Photography > 754.999.1652 > > > > On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 17:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > > > > > gwenview displays avif files but not exif data. > > > > > appears libexiv2.so.27 (on openSUSE Tumbleweed). -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2, darktable, AVIF, metadata, and ExifTool
Ah! Another compile for me. Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has Gwenview 19.12.3, and it does not recognise AVIF files. I see that version 20.12.2 is out. I have just downloaded it, and will try to compile it tomorrow. Thanks. P.s., does it use Exiv2 or ExifTool for metadata? I do have the latest ExivTool with AVIF support. ;-) Sincerely, Karim Hosein Top Rock Photography 754.999.1652 On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 17:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > gwenview displays avif files but not exif data. > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2, darktable, AVIF, metadata, and ExifTool
* Top Rock Photography [02-04-21 16:16]: > On trying to get metadata into my AVIF files, I discovered a few things…. > > The AVIF files which darktable version 3.4.0 (compiled from source on > Ubuntu 20.04 LTS) produces do have EXIF metadata. They do not appear to > have IPTC —I may be wrong on that— nor XMP metadata. (Indeed, the WebP > files which darktable produces also seem to lack IPTC/XMP metadata, > although they do have EXIF metadata). > > Exiv2 vesion 0.27.3 cannot read nor write metadata to nor from an AVIF file > —which makes me wonder how the metadata got into the AVIF files which > darktable writes. > > Exiftool version 11.86, (library version 11.88, WTDickens?!?), does read, > write, and copy metadata in/out of AVIF files, including, apparently, IPTC, > and XMP metadata, (although I did not actually check on IPTC data yet, it > does copy XMP data for certain). I mention this because I had previously > suggested that ExifTool does not r/w/c metadata to/from AVIF files. > > So, thank you, darktable developers, for giving me my EXIF data in my AVIF > (and, of course, WebP) files. Now if I can only find a viewer —other than > Chrome, Chromium, & Firefox— which can view an AVIF, and also, which can > display its metadata. ;-) > > Sincerely, > > Karim Hosein > Top Rock Photography > 754.999.1652 > > > > On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 14:10, Top Rock Photography < > ka...@toprockphotography.com> wrote: > > > My only concern is that, although AVIF is not patent encumbered, he > > refused to add the reading/writing of metadata data to AVIF, until he > > speaks to a lawyer. That has been quite a long time ago and so, my AVIF > > files made by darktable seem to have no metadata. > > > > … > > > > > Currently, Exiftool is no better (in that regard). Worse yet, aside from > > the most popular browsers, (Firefox, Chrome/Chromium), I cannot find a > > viewer for AVIF files. > > > > I have other issues on AVIF support, but this is not the thread for that. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Karim Hosein > > Top Rock Photography > > 754.999.1652 > > > > > > > > > >> > >> a: How will this affect DT? > >> b: Supplementary question: Would exiftool be an alternative for DT? > >> > >> > gwenview displays avif files but not exif data. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2, darktable, AVIF, metadata, and ExifTool
On trying to get metadata into my AVIF files, I discovered a few things…. The AVIF files which darktable version 3.4.0 (compiled from source on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS) produces do have EXIF metadata. They do not appear to have IPTC —I may be wrong on that— nor XMP metadata. (Indeed, the WebP files which darktable produces also seem to lack IPTC/XMP metadata, although they do have EXIF metadata). Exiv2 vesion 0.27.3 cannot read nor write metadata to nor from an AVIF file —which makes me wonder how the metadata got into the AVIF files which darktable writes. Exiftool version 11.86, (library version 11.88, WTDickens?!?), does read, write, and copy metadata in/out of AVIF files, including, apparently, IPTC, and XMP metadata, (although I did not actually check on IPTC data yet, it does copy XMP data for certain). I mention this because I had previously suggested that ExifTool does not r/w/c metadata to/from AVIF files. So, thank you, darktable developers, for giving me my EXIF data in my AVIF (and, of course, WebP) files. Now if I can only find a viewer —other than Chrome, Chromium, & Firefox— which can view an AVIF, and also, which can display its metadata. ;-) Sincerely, Karim Hosein Top Rock Photography 754.999.1652 On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 14:10, Top Rock Photography < ka...@toprockphotography.com> wrote: > My only concern is that, although AVIF is not patent encumbered, he > refused to add the reading/writing of metadata data to AVIF, until he > speaks to a lawyer. That has been quite a long time ago and so, my AVIF > files made by darktable seem to have no metadata. > … > > Currently, Exiftool is no better (in that regard). Worse yet, aside from > the most popular browsers, (Firefox, Chrome/Chromium), I cannot find a > viewer for AVIF files. > > I have other issues on AVIF support, but this is not the thread for that. > > Sincerely, > > Karim Hosein > Top Rock Photography > 754.999.1652 > > > > >> >> a: How will this affect DT? >> b: Supplementary question: Would exiftool be an alternative for DT? >> >> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
