Re: why alway raw? was : Re: [darktable-user] Nikon D750 support?
On mercredi 1 février 2017 19:04:39 CET Serge Schmitt wrote: > Le mardi 31 janvier 2017 07:43:27 Remco Viëtor a écrit : > > And I often prefer a slightly darker image than the default > > jpeg gives me, anyway. > > While I can understand and still mostly favor myself the use of raw files, I > cannot understand the use of "default jpeg". Why use "default" settings > while there are so many possibilities to tweak the image in camera ? I agree that I could get the look I want by tweaking the camera settings. What I meant here with 'default' was 'the default DT gives me'. > As an "amateur" photographer for 55 years, I always have seen, first with > "labo", to day with software, processing as mostly desperate attempts to > remedy bad exposure... So the in camera process would be for most people the > best choice... And the in-camera processing is what most people use in practice. But those are not the users you find here (almost by definition, as DT is a RAW processor...). > In this meaning, and based on what I see on Flickr, Ipernity and others I'm > conviced that one day I'll probably shoot 90% jpeg, which nevertheless can > be sufficently (for my taste) tweaked in Darktable and Bros. Most people > won't ever never see the difference when printed or on screen size. Same thing, most people shoot jpeg only (is there any phone that produces RAW images?). They don't need more, and don't want more. Nothing wrong with that. But that's not a reason for *me* to limit myself to what the camera is willing to produce. I prefer getting the best possible exposure in camera, and then get the image I want while working on a decently sized screen, with better tools than a camera can give me Also, you took my reply out of it's context, which was a question about how to get the same image as the camera delivered. I just pointed out that, while reproducing the in-camera image might be a good starting point, it's not the aim of using RAW format, so he should not limit himself to that or get too fixated on that. Remco darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: why alway raw? was : Re: [darktable-user] Nikon D750 support?
On 2017-02-01 10:54 AM, Chris Siebenmann wrote: In this meaning, and based on what I see on Flickr, Ipernity and others I'm conviced that one day I'll probably shoot 90% jpeg, which nevertheless can be sufficently (for my taste) tweaked in Darktable and Bros. Most people won't ever never see the difference when printed or on screen size. I expect to always shoot in RAW for two reasons, no matter how good and tweakable the JPEG processing in cameras get. First, shooting in RAW means that I don't have to try to judge the picture's colour and tonality from the little LCD on the back of the camera while I'm out in the field. Plenty of painful experience has shown me that I am fairly bad at this, in both directions even with just camera JPEGs (pictures that look fine or even great rendered on the LCD look bad on the computer, and 'wrong' pictures can look fine on the computer). Since RAW can change both tonality and colours after the fact without much problems, I can mostly get away with just checking the histogram. (Since I not infrequently shift white balance for artistic effect, getting the colours right isn't just as simple as 'take a white balance shot off a grey card beforehand'. Accurate WB gives me 'correct' JPEG colours, but not necessarily the colours that I want.) Second, I'm increasingly using Darktable to make selective alterations to only some areas of the picture to do things like bring up shadows or tame highlights. Even if cameras become technically capable of doing this, I don't want to try to set it up and do it through the little back of camera LCD and the limited control interface a camera necessarily is restricted to. In theory I believe you can do all these sorts of alterations on JPEGs after the fact, not just RAWs. However, my understanding is that RAWs give you far more latitude to do things without creating visible artifacts like posterization. And in practice, photo processing programs today and probably in the future are far more willing to do these sort of changes with RAWs than with JPEGs. Even if I could reliably 'get it right' in the camera and know that I'd done so, I sometimes change my mind about how best to realize a picture once I'm staring at it on my computer. The on the spot idea I had in my head when I took the picture is not always right or the best option. Sometimes there's a better option (and sometimes the photo turns out to be a writeoff, and no amount of tweaking its development will help). Good points I also switched to all RAW. For a period of time I was shooting both JPG and RAW. Then when I compared the results (and my corrections are quite basic... I moved to RAW only. I don't even try to match JPG any more. Regards, B - cks darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
why alway raw? was : Re: [darktable-user] Nikon D750 support?
Le mardi 31 janvier 2017 07:43:27 Remco Viëtor a écrit : > And I often prefer a slightly darker image than the default > jpeg gives me, anyway. While I can understand and still mostly favor myself the use of raw files, I cannot understand the use of "default jpeg". Why use "default" settings while there are so many possibilities to tweak the image in camera ? As an "amateur" photographer for 55 years, I always have seen, first with "labo", to day with software, processing as mostly desperate attempts to remedy bad exposure... So the in camera process would be for most people the best choice... In this meaning, and based on what I see on Flickr, Ipernity and others I'm conviced that one day I'll probably shoot 90% jpeg, which nevertheless can be sufficently (for my taste) tweaked in Darktable and Bros. Most people won't ever never see the difference when printed or on screen size. I post rarely here so I have to say at least once how I an thankfull to the devellopers and maintainers of Darktable. I also apologize for my froggish english... ;-) Serge Canon G3, Panasonic G1, Olympus EM-5, good lenses and adapted globbledeegloop, and recently a Panasonic TZ100 became my "always in my pocket" gear. Cute. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
