[dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question
Hello, I've stumbled over one of these corner cases: I copied 7 lines of code from stackoverflow.com (http://stackoverflow.com/a/3758880/34088) The code isn't an OSS project, it's not under a specific license and I feel that it's not worth the effort to run this through the standard IP process. What are the rules when you copy a code example from a blog? I tried to find some guidelines in the committer rules and IP process, etc, but everything there is more suitable for we want to fork some big OSS project. Regards, -- Aaron Optimizer Digulla a.k.a. Philmann Dark It's not the universe that's limited, it's our imagination. Follow me and I'll show you something beyond the limits. http://blog.pdark.de/ ___ dash-dev mailing list dash-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dash-dev
Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question
The copied code is intellectual property and as such is subject to the Eclipse IP Due Diligence process. It can only be distributed from eclipse.org (e.g. a source code repository) if we have clear license from the author to do so. Yes, it's a small bit of code, but the full IP process still applies. The easiest way to make this work is to ask the original author to contribute the code as an attachment on a Bugzilla record with the following assertions in the comment: I authored 100% the content they are contributing; have the rights to donate the content to EPL; and contribute the content under the EPL. With this in place, you can add the code into the repository, flip the iplog+ flag, and be off to the races. Alternatively, I think we can make the case that Stack Overflow contributions are CC-licensed [1] and treat the code similar to a third-party library. However, I believe that license compatibility will be complicated. HTH, Wayne [1] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ On 04/23/2012 09:25 AM, Aaron Digulla wrote: Hello, I've stumbled over one of these corner cases: I copied 7 lines of code from stackoverflow.com (http://stackoverflow.com/a/3758880/34088) The code isn't an OSS project, it's not under a specific license and I feel that it's not worth the effort to run this through the standard IP process. What are the rules when you copy a code example from a blog? I tried to find some guidelines in the committer rules and IP process, etc, but everything there is more suitable for we want to fork some big OSS project. Regards, -- Wayne Beaton The Eclipse Foundation Twitter: @waynebeaton Explore Eclipse Projects http://www.eclipse.org/projects ___ dash-dev mailing list dash-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dash-dev
Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question
Am 23.04.2012 19:24, schrieb Wayne Beaton: Alternatively, I think we can make the case that Stack Overflow contributions are CC-licensed [1] and treat the code similar to a third-party library. However, I believe that license compatibility will be complicated. Here is some material to support this: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/06/attribution-required/ The text is a bit complicated; the four rules apply if you make a copy of the site under a different domain. Since source code isn't HTML, the only rule that applies is probably #2 which boils down to add a link to the question/answer where you got that code from How about I open an IP request so the lawyers can give a nod to the rule? This would create a simple, safe solution for all Eclipse developers because I bet that I wasn't the first one to wonder - I was just the first one who dared to ask :-) Regards, [1] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ On 04/23/2012 09:25 AM, Aaron Digulla wrote: Hello, I've stumbled over one of these corner cases: I copied 7 lines of code from stackoverflow.com (http://stackoverflow.com/a/3758880/34088) The code isn't an OSS project, it's not under a specific license and I feel that it's not worth the effort to run this through the standard IP process. What are the rules when you copy a code example from a blog? I tried to find some guidelines in the committer rules and IP process, etc, but everything there is more suitable for we want to fork some big OSS project. Regards, -- Wayne Beaton The Eclipse Foundation Twitter: @waynebeaton Explore Eclipse Projects http://www.eclipse.org/projects ___ dash-dev mailing list dash-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dash-dev -- Aaron Optimizer Digulla a.k.a. Philmann Dark It's not the universe that's limited, it's our imagination. Follow me and I'll show you something beyond the limits. http://blog.pdark.de/ ___ dash-dev mailing list dash-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dash-dev
Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question
Sounds like a plan. Wayne On 04/23/2012 01:47 PM, Aaron Digulla wrote: How about I open an IP request so the lawyers can give a nod to the rule? This would create a simple, safe solution for all Eclipse developers because I bet that I wasn't the first one to wonder - I was just the first one who dared to ask :-) Regards, -- Wayne Beaton The Eclipse Foundation Twitter: @waynebeaton Explore Eclipse Projects http://www.eclipse.org/projects ___ dash-dev mailing list dash-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dash-dev
Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question
Am 23.04.2012 20:08, schrieb Miles Parker: That's kind of perverse, given that one of the major points of Open Source is to be able to share code with one another... rant OSS is not about sharing code with just anyone; it's only with anyone you happen to like! The main difference to proprietary software is that OSS developers don't believe that you can buy love. And they especially hate you if you happen to use a different OSS license than the one which they painstakingly selected after a long time of suffering (reading legalese, trying to understand it, telling your shrink that you're not insane - the rest of the world is and you can prove it, ...) It's an ego problem: I spent a year to find the perfect license, so everyone else must be an idiot (proof: they use a different one). And who would want to share their hard work with fools? /rant Regards, -- Aaron Optimizer Digulla a.k.a. Philmann Dark It's not the universe that's limited, it's our imagination. Follow me and I'll show you something beyond the limits. http://blog.pdark.de/ ___ dash-dev mailing list dash-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dash-dev
Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question
Am 23.04.2012 19:59, schrieb Wayne Beaton: Sounds like a plan. Since this is my first attempt to do this: That means I should open a CQ request on ipzilla, right? What project should I select? eclipse.platform? How about I open an IP request so the lawyers can give a nod to the rule? This would create a simple, safe solution for all Eclipse developers because I bet that I wasn't the first one to wonder - I was just the first one who dared to ask :-) Regards, -- Aaron Optimizer Digulla a.k.a. Philmann Dark It's not the universe that's limited, it's our imagination. Follow me and I'll show you something beyond the limits. http://blog.pdark.de/ ___ dash-dev mailing list dash-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dash-dev
Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question
Good question. Go to the portal, select any project (it doesn't matter) in the Eclipse Projects component. Click on the [pose] a question about general legal issue option. That'll take you to the right place. (or just go here: https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=IPcomponent=IP_Discussion https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=IPcomponent=IP_Discussion) Wayne On 04/23/2012 02:40 PM, Aaron Digulla wrote: Am 23.04.2012 19:59, schrieb Wayne Beaton: Sounds like a plan. Since this is my first attempt to do this: That means I should open a CQ request on ipzilla, right? What project should I select? eclipse.platform? How about I open an IP request so the lawyers can give a nod to the rule? This would create a simple, safe solution for all Eclipse developers because I bet that I wasn't the first one to wonder - I was just the first one who dared to ask :-) Regards, -- Wayne Beaton The Eclipse Foundation Twitter: @waynebeaton Explore Eclipse Projects http://www.eclipse.org/projects ___ dash-dev mailing list dash-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dash-dev
Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question
Am 23.04.2012 21:01, schrieb Wayne Beaton: Good question. Go to the portal, select any project (it doesn't matter) in the Eclipse Projects component. Click on the [pose] a question about general legal issue option. That'll take you to the right place. (or just go here: https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=IPcomponent=IP_Discussion https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=IPcomponent=IP_Discussion) Thanks a lot for your help! Only, I get nowhere... :-) When I click new in ipzilla, I get page has moved, go to the portal. I did but there is nothing obviously related to CQ or IP processes on https://dev.eclipse.org/portal/myfoundation/portal/portal.php. When I try your link, I get: Sorry, either the product IP does not exist or you aren't authorized to enter a CQ into it. ... :-P Regards, On 04/23/2012 02:40 PM, Aaron Digulla wrote: Am 23.04.2012 19:59, schrieb Wayne Beaton: Sounds like a plan. Since this is my first attempt to do this: That means I should open a CQ request on ipzilla, right? What project should I select? eclipse.platform? How about I open an IP request so the lawyers can give a nod to the rule? This would create a simple, safe solution for all Eclipse developers because I bet that I wasn't the first one to wonder - I was just the first one who dared to ask :-) Regards, -- Wayne Beaton The Eclipse Foundation Twitter: @waynebeaton Explore Eclipse Projects http://www.eclipse.org/projects ___ dash-dev mailing list dash-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dash-dev -- Aaron Optimizer Digulla a.k.a. Philmann Dark It's not the universe that's limited, it's our imagination. Follow me and I'll show you something beyond the limits. http://blog.pdark.de/ ___ dash-dev mailing list dash-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dash-dev
Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question
Right. That functionality is limited to Project Leads and PMC members. Sorry about that. I guess that I'll have to pose the question. Can you give me some words to start from? Thanks, Wayne On 04/23/2012 04:01 PM, Aaron Digulla wrote: Am 23.04.2012 21:01, schrieb Wayne Beaton: Good question. Go to the portal, select any project (it doesn't matter) in the Eclipse Projects component. Click on the [pose] a question about general legal issue option. That'll take you to the right place. (or just go here: https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=IPcomponent=IP_Discussion https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=IPcomponent=IP_Discussion) Thanks a lot for your help! Only, I get nowhere... :-) When I click new in ipzilla, I get page has moved, go to the portal. I did but there is nothing obviously related to CQ or IP processes on https://dev.eclipse.org/portal/myfoundation/portal/portal.php. When I try your link, I get: Sorry, either the product IP does not exist or you aren't authorized to enter a CQ into it. ... :-P Regards, On 04/23/2012 02:40 PM, Aaron Digulla wrote: Am 23.04.2012 19:59, schrieb Wayne Beaton: Sounds like a plan. Since this is my first attempt to do this: That means I should open a CQ request on ipzilla, right? What project should I select? eclipse.platform? How about I open an IP request so the lawyers can give a nod to the rule? This would create a simple, safe solution for all Eclipse developers because I bet that I wasn't the first one to wonder - I was just the first one who dared to ask :-) Regards, -- Wayne Beaton The Eclipse Foundation Twitter: @waynebeaton Explore Eclipse Projects http://www.eclipse.org/projects ___ dash-dev mailing list dash-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dash-dev -- Wayne Beaton The Eclipse Foundation Twitter: @waynebeaton Explore Eclipse Projects http://www.eclipse.org/projects ___ dash-dev mailing list dash-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dash-dev
