Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Margarita Manterola ma...@debian.org wrote: Proposal: Any public presentation which is part of any event, including but not limited to keynotes, presentations, lightning talks, addresses, mailing list posts and forums, is subject to this code of conduct and thus may not contain: Sexual or violent imagery; +Insults or ad-hominem attacks; + We also ask you to avoid language which is not appropriate for an all-ages audience as much as possible. + If the content of the presentation requires including language that could be considered offensive, this should be pointed out in advance, at the beginning of the talk and in the schedule. If presenters are unsure whether their material is suitable, they are encouraged to show it to the DebConf Talks Team before their session. Since we are Debian and like to do our work upstream as much as possible, I've taken the liberty of proposing this patch upstream: https://github.com/linuxaustralia/constitution_and_policies/pull/5 Francois ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Margarita Manterola ma...@debian.org wrote: Proposal: Any public presentation which is part of any event, including but not limited to keynotes, presentations, lightning talks, addresses, mailing list posts and forums, is subject to this code of conduct and thus may not contain: Sexual or violent imagery; +Insults or ad-hominem attacks; + We also ask you to avoid language which is not appropriate for an all-ages audience as much as possible. + If the content of the presentation requires including language that could be considered offensive, this should be pointed out in advance, at the beginning of the talk and in the schedule. If presenters are unsure whether their material is suitable, they are encouraged to show it to the DebConf Talks Team before their session. Since we are Debian and like to do our work upstream as much as possible, I've taken the liberty of proposing this patch upstream: https://github.com/linuxaustralia/constitution_and_policies/pull/5 Francois ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Margarita Manterola ma...@debian.org wrote: Proposal: Any public presentation which is part of any event, including but not limited to keynotes, presentations, lightning talks, addresses, mailing list posts and forums, is subject to this code of conduct and thus may not contain: Sexual or violent imagery; +Insults or ad-hominem attacks; + We also ask you to avoid language which is not appropriate for an all-ages audience as much as possible. + If the content of the presentation requires including language that could be considered offensive, this should be pointed out in advance, at the beginning of the talk and in the schedule. If presenters are unsure whether their material is suitable, they are encouraged to show it to the DebConf Talks Team before their session. Fully agreed. It's very useful to have something to point to when people overdo $something and then claim it's fully OK to do so so I wouldn't want the reference to swearwords removed entirely. Yet it's important to not just enforce rules mindlessly, overly aggressively, or, worst of all, abuse them as a weapon. The above strikes the balance between those two goals. As an aside, I feel it's important to point out that the above does not include interactions in hallways, etc. Dictating what words consenting adults use in communication with each other (while staying within legal limits, etc) would not be overly inclusive. Richard ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
Gunnar Wolf writes (Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity): Ian Jackson dijo [Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 07:44:48PM +0100]: Right. Her talk (which I found very interesting and illuminating) raised somewhat different issues. ... Biella's use was quoting, I seriously doubt she said any such things outside the context of quoting what the subjects of her work had already said (and we were interested in listening to). Indeed. That's why I said it raised different issues. Thanks, Ian. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
Ian Jackson dijo [Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 07:44:48PM +0100]: Right. Her talk (which I found very interesting and illuminating) raised somewhat different issues. It would have been impossible for her to deal properly with her subject matter without quoting (and showing) some of her primary source materials. Without that it would have been very hard to get a proper understanding. Many of those were very offensive, and if forming part of a talk in the ordinary way would have been a grievious violation. The content warning was IMO an entirely appropriate way of dealing with this difficulty. Biella's use was quoting, I seriously doubt she said any such things outside the context of quoting what the subjects of her work had already said (and we were interested in listening to). But anyway, we _do_ talk that way. I have to adhere to the paragraph in Russ' initial mail regarding the cultural shift over the generations. Words that were once bad per se are now to be taken in context. Because they are words, and because there are not aggressive and disrespectful by themselves. Disrespect and aggression can be perfectly stated using accepted words. And that's something we should worry about. But requiring us to restrict the vocabulary if it's done in a non-harming, non-offending way? That's clearly overreaching and negative IMO. And yes, we have kids among our ranks and whatnot. But if the parents believe their kids (who are completely and legally under their parents' care) should not listen to grownup language, they should take care not to bring them in. Many parents will not mind their child listening to an occasional swear-word. And yes, I know this last paragraph of mine might not suit everybody. But really, I believe that failing to do so will alienate many among us. Not that we _need_ to use expeltives, but that we (sometimes strongly) feel there's nothing bad about them. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
Margarita Manterola dijo [Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 10:13:07PM +]: Hi, Thanks Russ for raising this issue, I think it's worthy of discussion. My feeling is that completely forbidding profanity (or whatever the right word for it is, profanity also seems wrong) doesn't benefit DebConf. (...) Original: Any public presentation which is part of any event, including but not limited to keynotes, presentations, lightning talks, addresses, mailing list posts and forums, is subject to this code of conduct and thus may not contain: Sexual or violent imagery; -Adult or expletive language; -Language which is not appropriate for an all-ages audience. If presenters are unsure whether their material is suitable, they are encouraged to show it to the DebConf Talks Team before their session. Proposal: Any public presentation which is part of any event, including but not limited to keynotes, presentations, lightning talks, addresses, mailing list posts and forums, is subject to this code of conduct and thus may not contain: Sexual or violent imagery; +Insults or ad-hominem attacks; + We also ask you to avoid language which is not appropriate for an all-ages audience as much as possible. + If the content of the presentation requires including language that could be considered offensive, this should be pointed out in advance, at the beginning of the talk and in the schedule. Beautiful. Strongly seconded. And, yes, common sense from the attendees (presenters included) is expected. If the ocassional bad word or two appear, no fuss should be made about it. They should be part of natural use. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
2014-09-07 16:28 GMT-06:00 Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org: Ian Jackson dijo [Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 07:44:48PM +0100]: Right. Her talk (which I found very interesting and illuminating) raised somewhat different issues. It would have been impossible for her to deal properly with her subject matter without quoting (and showing) some of her primary source materials. Without that it would have been very hard to get a proper understanding. Many of those were very offensive, and if forming part of a talk in the ordinary way would have been a grievious violation. The content warning was IMO an entirely appropriate way of dealing with this difficulty. Biella's use was quoting, I seriously doubt she said any such things outside the context of quoting what the subjects of her work had already said (and we were interested in listening to). But anyway, we _do_ talk that way. I have to adhere to the paragraph in Russ' initial mail regarding the cultural shift over the generations. Words that were once bad per se are now to be taken in context. Because they are words, and because there are not aggressive and disrespectful by themselves. Disrespect and aggression can be perfectly stated using accepted words. And that's something we should worry about. But requiring us to restrict the vocabulary if it's done in a non-harming, non-offending way? That's clearly overreaching and negative IMO. And yes, we have kids among our ranks and whatnot. But if the parents believe their kids (who are completely and legally under their parents' care) should not listen to grownup language, they should take care not to bring them in. Many parents will not mind their child listening to an occasional swear-word. And yes, I know this last paragraph of mine might not suit everybody. But really, I believe that failing to do so will alienate many among us. Not that we _need_ to use expeltives, but that we (sometimes strongly) feel there's nothing bad about them. I support Gunnar opinion 100% -- Marcelo Gutierrez Team POSOL http://podcast.softwarelibre.org.ni Linux User: 448194 http://mmgc84.taygon.com ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discus http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 10:13:07PM +, Margarita Manterola wrote: Proposal: Any public presentation which is part of any event, including but not limited to keynotes, presentations, lightning talks, addresses, mailing list posts and forums, is subject to this code of conduct and thus may not contain: Sexual or violent imagery; +Insults or ad-hominem attacks; + We also ask you to avoid language which is not appropriate for an all-ages audience as much as possible. + If the content of the presentation requires including language that could be considered offensive, this should be pointed out in advance, at the beginning of the talk and in the schedule. If presenters are unsure whether their material is suitable, they are encouraged to show it to the DebConf Talks Team before their session. I like it. This was exactly what I was trying to go for earlier and the words just failed me. -- -- Patty Langasek harmo...@dodds.net | harmo...@debian.org -- At times, you may end up far away from home; you may not be sure of where you belong anymore. But home is always there... because home is not a place. It's wherever your passion takes you. --- J. Michael Straczynski ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 5:11 AM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: To be specific about what words I'm talking about, I have seen people use both and in a professional HR presentation context with basically no reaction (although the latter is much less common). Several speakers used those or similar words during various presentations; often they were immediately apologetic, but the audience appeared not to take this part of the code of conduct particularly seriously. [...] [0] Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet radio, where swearing is illegal. [...] Please refrain from using those words in here. Use poo and m'kay instead[1] [0] https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct [1] nsfw?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWkiWtqgOWc ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
alberto fuentes paj...@gmail.com writes: [...] [0] Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet radio, where swearing is illegal. [...] Please refrain from using those words in here. Use poo and m'kay instead[1] [0] https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct [1] nsfw?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWkiWtqgOWc This provision has been ignored on our mailing lists for as long as I've been a member of the project. There was some recent discussion of the packet radio reference that concluded that this justification was rather dubious. I wonder if we should take it out of that document as well, although this is not the right place to talk about that. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: This provision has been ignored on our mailing lists for as long as I've been a member of the project. There was some recent discussion of the packet radio reference that concluded that this justification was rather dubious. I wonder if we should take it out of that document as well, although this is not the right place to talk about that. Right, my point being, even if maybe not very clear, that you might want to look at the mailing lists coc as well if you decide to look into this ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 20:11 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I should preface this by saying that I personally don't feel that strongly about this one way or the other. But it came up in another forum that isn't the right place to talk about it, and I've been trying to make a point of doing my part to move some of those conversations to a better location. Thanks, Russ. I was mildly surprised during registration by the inclusion of expletives as something that was ruled out by the conference code of conduct. Me too. My (not particularly well-researched) impression is that use of non-gendered expletives in English is something that's become somewhat generational. Using four-letter words was considered very impolite and unacceptable in professional public venues in my parents' generation, but appears to hardly be noticable in the generation in college now, with a change point somewhere around my generation. It has also not been unusual for a few expletives to appear in slides or spoken words in talks at previous DebConfs. So far as I know, that hasn't been something people complained about in the past. Given that people are now bringing young children to DebConf, it may be something we should take more care over now. To be specific about what words I'm talking about, I have seen people use both shit and fuck in a professional HR presentation context with basically no reaction (although the latter is much less common). Several speakers used those or similar words during various presentations; often they were immediately apologetic, but the audience appeared not to take this part of the code of conduct particularly seriously. I decided to point out the discrepancy between this rule and the actual accepted practice at DebConf, by reporting the inclusion of an expletive in Zack's opening talk. Biella also tweeted one of her slides in advance of her talk, and I pointed out the rule to her then. I believe she subsequently discussed the (considerable) number of quoted expletives in the slides with the organisers, and they settled on a content warning at the beginning of the talk. I think that the option of a content warning (only for expletives) is a sensible approach, but the Code of Conduct should formally allow this rather than being informally overridden. I think that any such warning should also be included in the online schedule so that it's visible to those planning which events to attend or considering joining an event that has already started. Now, it's quite possible that I'm rather privileged here and am just unaware of the issues. I am *not* asking for this to be changed, at least at this point. However, I am curious as to what was the intent for including that rule in the code of conduct. Specifically, I'm wondering if this posed a concern for any of the attendees, or if it was just something that seemed like it would be appropriate to have in the code of conduct. Patty told me she said she drafted the CoC based on what LCA uses. She said she had asked for feedback on debconf-team but didn't receive any (or not much; I don't remember exactly which she said). I should be clear here that I'm only talking about words that either never had or that are used outside of any sexual meaning, and are not used in a way that implies any sexual meaning. I am specifically *not* talking about gendered expletives or sexual innuendo, and would support continuing to rule out such things in the code of conduct. Likewise. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Experience is directly proportional to the value of equipment destroyed. - Carolyn Scheppner signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
Ben Hutchings writes (Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity): Biella also tweeted one of her slides in advance of her talk, and I pointed out the rule to her then. I believe she subsequently discussed the (considerable) number of quoted expletives in the slides with the organisers, and they settled on a content warning at the beginning of the talk. Right. Her talk (which I found very interesting and illuminating) raised somewhat different issues. It would have been impossible for her to deal properly with her subject matter without quoting (and showing) some of her primary source materials. Without that it would have been very hard to get a proper understanding. Many of those were very offensive, and if forming part of a talk in the ordinary way would have been a grievious violation. The content warning was IMO an entirely appropriate way of dealing with this difficulty. It would have been nice if that had been supplemented by a warning in the programme, but most people would have probably heard of the community which was the subject matter of her talk and realised that such an anthropological report would necessarily involve presenting and analysing some very egregious material. Thanks, Ian. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
also sprach Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk [2014-09-04 10:58 -0700]: It has also not been unusual for a few expletives to appear in slides or spoken words in talks at previous DebConfs. So far as I know, that hasn't been something people complained about in the past. Given that people are now bringing young children to DebConf, it may be something we should take more care over now. Absolutely, but we need a (long) period of transition. I caught myself saying sh*t as lightning talks moderator, but I immediately apologised. I hope that in a few years time, I will not have such glitches anymore. And this probably applies to most of us. In addition, we should remain flexible. A talk on culture like Biella's needs to be able to quote academically. In the context of 4chan, swear words are part of the culture, part of the content. While I never would want my children to grow up swearing ad lib (oh my, will I shake my fists…), I *do* want them to have access to untainted knowledge. Patty told me she said she drafted the CoC based on what LCA uses. She said she had asked for feedback on debconf-team but didn't receive any (or not much; I don't remember exactly which she said). There was a lengthy discussion, if I remember, involving self-drafted CoCs etc.. The initiative to base our own CoC on the LCA CoC was mine, and the reasoning was simply that LCA had done most of the work already. While there is always room for improvement, I still think the LCA CoC is a good starting point. It is not, however, and was never designed to be a manual on how to handle instances that are offensive to attendees, or borderline. This is up to us, and the way we handle it directly affects our credibility in the future. And I trust that we'll be able to excel at that eventually. When it's ready. ;) -- .''`. martin f. krafft madd...@debconf.org @martinkrafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany: http://debconf15.debconf.org DebConf16 in your country? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 08:11:11PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I should preface this by saying that I personally don't feel that strongly about this one way or the other. But it came up in another forum that isn't the right place to talk about it, and I've been trying to make a point of doing my part to move some of those conversations to a better location. I was mildly surprised during registration by the inclusion of expletives as something that was ruled out by the conference code of conduct. My (not particularly well-researched) impression is that use of non-gendered expletives in English is something that's become somewhat generational. Using four-letter words was considered very impolite and unacceptable in professional public venues in my parents' generation, but appears to hardly be noticable in the generation in college now, with a change point somewhere around my generation. I think it's still quite reasonable to ask speakers to keep their talks clean, and to ask conference participants (such as people asking questions or participating in BoFs) to do the same. Many other conferences do so, successfully, and it hardly seems like a major imposition. +1. I'd like to add that restraining oneself from using profanity (either as a speaker or as an audience member) in a public venue is common courtesy. Similarly as we choose our words when speaking to strangers. I might be tempted to use profanity with friends or coworkers, but I'd be much more careful with people I don't know or have never met. -mz ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Matt Zagrabelny mzagr...@d.umn.edu wrote: +1. I'd like to add that restraining oneself from using profanity (either as a speaker or as an audience member) in a public venue is common courtesy. Similarly as we choose our words when speaking to strangers. I might be tempted to use profanity with friends or coworkers, but I'd be much more careful with people I don't know or have never met. Theres a bullet point in the mailing list CoC that says: 'Use common sense all the time.' Maybe the profanity thingy can be just removed completely? or is it too much to ask in a the context of a big project like debian? We are talking about adding a 'parental advisory: explicit content' to the talks... which has little to do with some CoC ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 09:16:15PM +0200, alberto fuentes wrote: On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Matt Zagrabelny mzagr...@d.umn.edu wrote: +1. I'd like to add that restraining oneself from using profanity (either as a speaker or as an audience member) in a public venue is common courtesy. Similarly as we choose our words when speaking to strangers. I might be tempted to use profanity with friends or coworkers, but I'd be much more careful with people I don't know or have never met. Theres a bullet point in the mailing list CoC that says: 'Use common sense all the time.' Maybe the profanity thingy can be just removed completely? Spelling out common sense helps make sure that it's actually common; in the context of a code of conduct, a catch-all for unexpected poor behavior seems useful (in case anyone tries to play rules lawyer with it), but spelling out frequent issues specifically seems preferable to assuming a common understanding of common sense, especially in cases where different people's common sense seems particularly likely to disagree. - Josh Triplett ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
Hi, Thanks Russ for raising this issue, I think it's worthy of discussion. My feeling is that completely forbidding profanity (or whatever the right word for it is, profanity also seems wrong) doesn't benefit DebConf. Personally, I do want people to be excellent to each other, to treat each other with respect and to not use foul language if it's not needed. However, I feel that calling out attention to quotes that include these words, or one-time uses of these words is excessive, and not inclusive as the paragraph title goes. I would prefer the Be inclusive paragraph to be modified like this: Original: Any public presentation which is part of any event, including but not limited to keynotes, presentations, lightning talks, addresses, mailing list posts and forums, is subject to this code of conduct and thus may not contain: Sexual or violent imagery; -Adult or expletive language; -Language which is not appropriate for an all-ages audience. If presenters are unsure whether their material is suitable, they are encouraged to show it to the DebConf Talks Team before their session. Proposal: Any public presentation which is part of any event, including but not limited to keynotes, presentations, lightning talks, addresses, mailing list posts and forums, is subject to this code of conduct and thus may not contain: Sexual or violent imagery; +Insults or ad-hominem attacks; + We also ask you to avoid language which is not appropriate for an all-ages audience as much as possible. + If the content of the presentation requires including language that could be considered offensive, this should be pointed out in advance, at the beginning of the talk and in the schedule. If presenters are unsure whether their material is suitable, they are encouraged to show it to the DebConf Talks Team before their session. This is of course a proposal and better wording might be found. The main point is to convey that we want to keep the talks clean without making people feel that they'll be thrown out of the conference if they use an expletive by mistake / as required for a presentation (when quoting or so). -- Regards, Marga ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
Hi, On Freitag, 5. September 2014, Margarita Manterola wrote: -Adult or expletive language; -Language which is not appropriate for an all-ages audience. +Insults or ad-hominem attacks; + We also ask you to avoid language which is not appropriate for an all-ages audience as much as possible. + If the content of the presentation requires including language that could be considered offensive, this should be pointed out in advance, at the beginning of the talk and in the schedule. /me likes + supports. Thanks Marga. cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf conference policy on profanity
On Thu, 04 Sep 2014 22:13:07 +, Margarita Manterola wrote: My feeling is that completely forbidding profanity (or whatever the right word for it is, profanity also seems wrong) doesn't benefit DebConf. Personally, I do want people to be excellent to each other, to treat each other with respect and to not use foul language if it's not needed. However, I feel that calling out attention to quotes that include these words, or one-time uses of these words is excessive, and not inclusive as the paragraph title goes. I agree. Proposal: Any public presentation which is part of any event, including but not limited to keynotes, presentations, lightning talks, addresses, mailing list posts and forums, is subject to this code of conduct and thus may not contain: Sexual or violent imagery; +Insults or ad-hominem attacks; + We also ask you to avoid language which is not appropriate for an all-ages audience as much as possible. + If the content of the presentation requires including language that could be considered offensive, this should be pointed out in advance, at the beginning of the talk and in the schedule. If presenters are unsure whether their material is suitable, they are encouraged to show it to the DebConf Talks Team before their session. This sounds good to me; thanks! Cheers, gregor -- .''`. Homepage: http://info.comodo.priv.at/ - OpenPGP key 0xBB3A68018649AA06 : :' : Debian GNU/Linux user, admin, and developer - http://www.debian.org/ `. `' Member of VIBE!AT SPI, fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe `- NP: Donovan: Lady of the Stars signature.asc Description: Digital Signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
